Todd McShay On The Jets #16 Selection
by David_Wyatt on Mar 1, 2012 2:57 PM EST
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Props to Bassett over at The Jets Blog for spotting this on the Jets site.
ESPN draft Guru Todd McShay talks about the Jets selection and what they may do with it.
"Mark Barron would be a great fit there. The Thing about Barron is there is no aspect of the game that he doesn't do well. He's not the best cover safety if you will and he has some limitations in terms of man to man but he can cover the tight end, he has good range in terms of being back and being the high man in the three defensive back look........I just love the way he plays the game"
"Defensive ends, outside linebackers, I think the value is going to be in the second round.......Ingram another shorter defensive end who projects as a outside linebacker in the 3-4 scheme I think he'll be off the board somewhere top 10 top 12 and Upshaw shortly thereafter"
Now you guys know what I think about the possibility of taking Barron at #16 which is what McShay is suggesting here. I just think that would be a reach for a player coming off a double hernia who McShay admits has limitations in coverage and especially in man to man coverage. If we are taking Barron and we are sold on taking Barron, Mike T better be exploring options to trade back as Barron at #16 is a reach in my honest opinion.
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Well you're an idiot Todd McShay.
Barron is a terrible pick, I thought that by now there was enough evidence proving he isn’t worthy of the Jets #16, even enough to make him a late second rounder.
This is a horrible pick
Coming off a hernia injury, isnt good in man coverage, is limited, probably doesn’t have good upside. won’t be able to contribute immediately, he has bust written all over him
by Buddy James on Mar 1, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He’s not even worth a third-round selection in my opinion
by Buddy James on Mar 1, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i'd take him
In the early second round. However, I think the tn titans will select him with their first round pick. I can see the jets signing the titan’s free agent safety michael griffin.
by revis24fan on Mar 1, 2012 3:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sure he would be a good fit.
but the first round is all about value. and 16 is way too high for Barron, even if he was 100% healthy. i doubt the Jets take Barron. the only way i see him drafted by us is if we have a pick between 30-32 in the 1st after a trade back..and even then i still don’t see it happening.
I don't get what all the hate for Barron is about
and i’m done trying to figure it out. It is what it is.
We need a safety who can cover Tight Ends...
Barron is a good safety prospect but he is not good at covering…so hes basically like a better faster Eric Smith…Eric Smith 2.0 if you will. His skill set is not what we need in a safety. I would much rather take Iloka he will be a much better value and is way better in coverage. Then we can spend our first round pick on a pass rusher or BPA if we somehow address the pass rush in free agency.
He just isn't very good.
Analysts are only placing him so high because they dont know who to mock to us.
McShay Is Clueless
First he says there’s no aspect of his game he doesn’t do well, then immediately contradicts himself saying:
He’s not the best cover safety if you will and he has some limitations in terms of man to man
He also says Barron would be a great fit, but he wouldn’t be because they need two safeties who can cover and he just said that is not Barron’s strength.
I can’t believe that jerk offs like him are even able to get work in the game.
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LOL...I'm glad you saw that too because thought I was reading it wrong
I take anything an ESPN’er says with a grain of salt. They really are a bunch of idiots over there.
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Okay i'm gonna disregard my own earlier comment since i'm just really persistent i guess
I’ve watched some tape on Barron, and from what I can see, he seems to fit Todd Mcshay’s description, and seems like he be a solid contributor from day 1, even if not overly flashy. Let’s say we can’t bring back Jim Leonhard due to injury/monetary reasons, that leaves us two holes at safety. Let’s say we get reggie nelson or Michael griffin to play one position, and then we get Mark Barron to play the other one. That’s definitely an upgrade over what we have already, and I would think it isn’t a bad duo at all.
I think if we do land a FA safety like Griffin, reaching for a safety with our first pick is even worse.
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I don't really even think it would be much of a reach
there are teams like the titans, bengals, and chargers that all would like to have him that only pick a couple of spots back from us. And as I said, Barron could probably be a day 1 contributor, and would probably be an upgrade over whatever we have.
By the way, this just in, tyvon branch is getting franchised. So much for that.
Let it be their mistake, he could well be a contributor from day one but his coverage skills are not that of a top 20 pick in the NFL draft. If we pick up Griffin, I’d much rather tackle another need in the first that actually represents value and then pick up a 2nd safety like Smith in the 2nd. Everything I have watched Barron I haven’t thought “that’s first round talent”, not once.
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Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be thrilled to see us take barron
I’d be content, but i’d rather have someone like Courtney Upshaw. I’m just making my case to why I don’t think it would be as bad as most of us think it will be. Also take a look at this http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/34565/if-barrons-there-titans-should-pounce
I’m not saying Barron doesn’t have talent, but I just don’t think he has the talent that Jets need at #16. You’ll find a scout who’ll give you a positive report on just about every single player in this draft, I remember all the scouts coming out wth similar positive style reports about Taylor Mays, he dropped and is already with a 2nd team. Like I said Barron has talent no doubt, but I would be devastated if we took him at #16.
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Well my friend, I'm sorry to hear that you'd be upset to see us take him at that spot
Because I have a real Gut feeling that he’s gonna be the one we take at that pick, and I’m personally just trying to brace for it, as well as possibly help out other people with that. As I said before, there are several players that i’d much rather we pick there, but i’ve managed to convince myself at this point that it wouldn’t all be lost if roger goodell read on draft day “With the Sixteenth pick in the 2012 NFL draft, the New York Jets Select Mark Barron, Safety, Alabama”.
I’m not sure how relevant this point is, but let’s also remember that our Defense did finish 5th overall with its deficiencies, and often times we lost because our offense couldn’t pull its weight, which I think is part of the reason there was a locker-room conflict.
lol I think there is a good chance that we take him there as well so the closer we’ll get the more I will try to brace for it. Like I said I think it’ll be a reach, not necessarily a waste but I never get as excited for first round talent as I do for the 2nd to 5th round guys. Don’t know why to be honest.
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If That Were to Happen
I think you’d see almost the entire Jets fan section storming the Jets room with pitchforks and ropes to lynch Tanny (as they should). If Tanny picks Barron at #16, Rex should knock his head off and Woody fire the corpse.
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Agree with you
I dont want another Kyle Wilson kind of player. We need game changers, even if they dont fit our scheeme, we should take the best player out there. Look whem Adrian Peterson came out of college and some teams pass on him because they already had a running back, they already had a guy but they didnt have that guy
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but at 16 its not worth drafting him especially when hes going to be out a while during camp i think. its the same thing as DaQuan Bowers last year..he was supposed to go 2nd overall and he dropped to the 2nd or 3rd round (i cant remember) because he was coming off a knee injury. first round is abut value as much as talent. not to draft someone just cause you need that position.
by np3 on Mar 1, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Safety
if you are drafting a safety in the first round he better be an Ed Reed type. Barron is a nice player but the Jets have no business picking him in the first round when we should have some good pass rushers on the board.
I really think this would be a great time to look and trade down since we have so little depth due to all the picks we have traded away the last few years. A big problem is this team is always looking to make headlines and trading down does not fill that agenda.
I agree with the trading down.
if we trade down with, say, Houston(i think they’re a viable candidate , they need a receiver, and if floyd is available at our pick, they may want it) we could still get Nick Perry, take Nick Toon and (from the pick we get from Houston) maybe Vinny Curry? if he makes it that far. then in the 3rd we could take Iloka. in the fourth and fifth we take Adrian Hamilton and Hebron Fangupo, respectively. (Crackback sold me on both)
from then on, i don’t know.
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I don't even think he's the best safety in the draft.
Is he really better than Harrison Smith or Markelle Martin or George Iloka? Cuz I don’t sée it.
by Crackback on Mar 1, 2012 6:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think he's the most well-rounded
Mark Barron is good at everything, but great at nothing.
he’d be good if this was old school football, when the goal was to stop the run. But, in the new league of freakishly athletic tight ends, he’d be a liability because SS is turning into a coverage role, which he’s less than stellar at.
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Too many questions for 16
he had double hernia surgery and will not even work out before the draft. would teams take a chance on the guy? I hope we don’t in the first round. It really depends on how the draft plays out but if guys like Floyd, Ingram, Upshaw or even Perry are there id rather have those guys.
Let's venture into Todd McS***'s fantasy world for a moment
Suppose we do get Barron in the first. Say he actually cuts the mustard and covers tight ends well. So when we play NE, Gronk is mostly neutralized. Okay… What about Hernandez then? How about our anemic pass rush forcing Barron to cover for 5+ seconds? Does that seem like the type of impact to our team that we should be getting selection at 16th overall? Basically the status quo?
It begins with the pass rush. If we go defense in the first, it had better be a pass rusher. The end.
by Exystence on Mar 1, 2012 8:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
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we need a guy that can start/contribute now
Barron may not even be ready to practice or be in camp. just based on that i don’t like the pick. I am also skeptical about naming any one player the best at his position when he plays on a great defense like that .
It will be impossible to pick Barron at 16
Because Tanny will have already traded up for someone else. Aren’t you paying attention. That’s what he does.
The only way we get Barron at 16 is in the 2nd or maybe even the 3rd which is about where we should be drafting a Safety.
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if we get elite pass rushers
The coverage looks a lot better. Draft upshaw at 16
by revis24fan on Mar 2, 2012 3:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wouldnt mind Barron
Fits a need but the hernia is concerning. It does seem like it would be a reach so hopefully if we do end up drafting him it’s a result of trading down and picking up a few extra picks.
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