Brandon Moore: Stay or Go?

by John B on Feb 9, 2012 2:02 PM EST

Brandon Moore made his first Pro Bowl in 2011. It was interesting because it might have been his least effective year since 2007. Moore was still a very good right guard. The Jets ran for over 4 yards per carry on his right side, and his pass protection was almost spotless. The team was, however, less dominant running right than in previous years.

A lot of the problems can probably be put at Wayne Hunter's feet. The right tackle struggled a ton through much of the year. Life is a lot easier on a guard with a tackle like Damien Woody next to you dominating. Brandon had to help out his struggling tackle a lot more than he had in recent years. Moore did not seem to have the same impact. Beyond the decreased productivity in the run game, I really do not have a ton of numbers. My eyeball test said Moore was still effective but winning his matchups less frequently than in the past.

Cutting Moore would save the Jets $3 million. Under different circumstances, it might make sense for the Jets to save money, but this is the case currently. Brandon is 32. If the team had a young cheap guy ready to slide in, it could be time for a move. The Jets do not on the surface appear to have one, though. Vladimir Ducasse is extremely raw to put it charitably. Perhaps Caleb Schlauderaff is ready to elevate his game like Matt Slauson was two years ago. Perhaps the Jets will find a new guard in the Draft. I would not like to see them take than chance, though.

I vote stay. How do you vote?

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Should Brandon Moore stay or go?

Stay

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Go

52 votes

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Focus Like a Laser

RT, pass rush, cover safety, complete receiver corps. If you want to upgrade RG, build depth from below with players having real potential. Ducasse is not necessarily included in this category. His contract should be restructured until he shows promise during this year. If he doesn’t, he should go.

by Black Dog Jet on Feb 9, 2012 2:14 PM EST reply actions

Getting a real RT upgrades our RG position immediately.

By real RT I mean on that doesn’t need a babysitter. Even with a babysitter(s) he was terrible…yet we kept him.

by Timmaht on Feb 9, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions

I voted Go...

not because i dont like Moore, its just seemed as if he was getting shoved around alot last year and more often than not i saw Nick Mangold having to bail Moore out….i say plug Ducasse in at the RG spot and let it fly, Ducasse is a mauler and putting him in at Guard makes the most sense

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by AFCxxBEAST on Feb 9, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions

Sandwiched between a hurt and rookie center in the beginning of the year, and one of the worst starting right tackles in the game. That in mind, I thought I saw a stat that said he didn’t give up a single sack this year. That’s a job well done.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Feb 9, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions

Precisely

I can’t understand why anyone could say “let him walk” and speculate that Ducasse is the answer. There is no evidence to suggest that that is a prudent move. It’s just the 2012 version of “let’s let Woody walk because Wayne Hunter is the answer”.

by Black Dog Jet on Feb 9, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions

Clarification

My post was an answer to Bob Dole

by Black Dog Jet on Feb 9, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions

Imagine Ducasse and Hunter on the same line and same side of the line. I’d have Sanchez on the move to his left every single snap.

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by David_Wyatt on Feb 9, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions

I’d almost hope for Sanchez’s sake the team trades or cuts him if they go with a Ducasse/Hunter right side of the line.

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by John B on Feb 9, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

Sequel to "Dumb and Dumber"....

…. “Slow and Slower”. Sanchez would be the first QB in the NFL to ever play in a wheelchair.

by Black Dog Jet on Feb 9, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions

Peyton Manning might just be the second.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Feb 9, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions

If that happens Sanchez better get his affairs in order. They would be putting Sanchez life on the line.

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by greenandwhite4ever on Feb 10, 2012 5:34 AM EST up reply actions

What Are Your Figures??

You said that the Jets were less dominant running right. Less dominant than what? In previous years? Than the left side? It has to be the former. With Brick and Slauson on the left, there’s no way they were more effective to the left. If Moore’s numbers look lower last season, it is due to his coming off a major injury and because he had an almost total nothing playing to his right for the entire season, and had less than zero playing on his left for 3-4 games early in the season when he was still rounding into shape. Brandon Moore is still the best OL the Jets have. He has deserved to make the Pro Bowl for years and has been robbed. He has consistently graded out higher than Mangold or Brick, and when the Jets wanted/needed to run in the past, they ran behind Moore.

I can’t believe that anyone in his/her right mind would vote for Moore to go. It just shows how little some fans know.

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by joeklecko on Feb 9, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions

Than in previous years.

The Jets were more effective running right than they were running left in 2011.

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by John B on Feb 9, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions

I don't understand why people voted him to go either with what has happen with the right side anyways.

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by oneg82 on Feb 9, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions

good post --agree

by knucklehead62 on Feb 21, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions

Why do you keep saying he wasn't as productive as other years?

What backs that up? I checked before week 17 and Brandon Moore was one of the only Oline-men to not give up a sack for the season sofar. I’d call that one damn impressive season, not “his least effective year since 2007”

by flixenuz on Feb 9, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions

I stand behind my Vote to GO

Moore isnt getting any younger and for all of you that think Wayne Hunter will be our STARTING RT next season you must be crazy, I believe the entire Right side will be overhauled with younger talent whether it be from the Draft or someone stepping up in the preseason ( like Ducasse) to start at RG and im sure Tanny will get us a much better RT in Free Agency …I watched every Jet game last season as Im sure most of you have and I saw Moore getting abused every week, if Nick Mangold wasnt there to save his ass Im sure Sanchez wouldve been planted on his and the credit for the sack given up wouldve fell on Moore…

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by AFCxxBEAST on Feb 9, 2012 4:19 PM EST reply actions

I'm glad you're not the GM.

Last offseason: “Woody’s old, we can rely on Hunter to replace him, no problem.”
Now: “Moore’s old, we can rely on Ducasse to replace him, no problem.”

And the worst part is that Ducasse has provided FAR less evidence that he’s up to the task than Hunter did before he got the gig. I’m all for getting younger and not wasting cap space, but really man?

by Exystence on Feb 9, 2012 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

AGREED!

For those who voted ‘GO’, facts don’t matter! For those who voted ‘GO’ based on game film, you wonder about their vision! Notice the use of their word ‘abuse’, without facts. How does an O-Lineman get ‘abused’ and NOT give up a single sack? When you have Hunter, the revolving gate, to your right, augmented by that all-world blocking TE Keller (I’m being sarcastic) and still not give up a single sack on your own AND reduce the likelihood of even more sacks from that side because of Hunter and Keller, you really want to let Moore ‘GO’? Maybe, these ‘GO’ fans should ‘STAY AWAY’ from commenting nonsensically!

by JetLogic on Feb 9, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions

take off your green goggles and watch the game for once

Moore was getting “worked” all season ( i used worked instead of abused for those that dont understand), on Passing downs he was cleanly beaten more times than he should have been, but our All Pro Center Nick Mangold was always there to bail Moore out, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON MOORE DIDNT GIVE UP A SACK…am i clear enough now?

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by AFCxxBEAST on Feb 9, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions

Who bailed out Moore when Mangold was hurt? Baxter or whatever the hell his name is?

I agree that Moore wasn’t as good this year as previous ones, but to say that he was constantly beaten to the point where he needs to be replaced is overboard. Guy was still an asset on the field. And to replace him with Ducasse who at this point hasn’t shown that he, well, doesn’t suck, is ludicrous IMO.

by J-Nasty on Feb 9, 2012 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Word games, I guess

You say ‘worked’ and, then, you say “BEATEN more times than he should have been” — and, yet, not a single sack. So, you employ the Mangold excuse. How many games was Mangold either out or hobbled? And, during that time, Moore gave up how many sacks? Eh, looks like ZERO!!! At least, my ‘green goggles’ have clear lenses, i.e. FACTS!

by JetLogic on Feb 9, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

Dude, regardless of your opinion of Moore's ability

Do you really think any alternative on the horizon seriously makes sense? Is Ducasse or Turner really better than Moore?

Ducasse did good in very limited, specific packages where his job was very clear. Are you sure he would be able to handle full-time responsibilities where he has to make decisions about who to block on zone blocking plays? Can he, idk, pass protect at all? Because he hasn’t shown he can do that in what limited bits of action we’ve seen.

Meanwhile Turner is coming off a major injury and I remember getting pretty damn frustrated at him when he was healthy and actually playing.

Personally I thought Moore looked like easily our most consistently good lineman last year. Even if he looked bad at times, you have to consider he was probably never at 100% health-wise, AND he had to give Hunter help all the damn time.

by Exystence on Feb 9, 2012 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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by Bro Namath on Feb 9, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions

Let's See

*Moore was coming off a major injury.

He had an absolute revolving door to his right who was all but worthless.

He had an UDFA who as far as I know is no longer in the NFL on his left side for 3-4 games

The Jets still ran behind him when they needed yards and had the best production there

He didn’t give up a sack

He made the Pro Bowl for the first time in his career

Yet you said he was “abused” then downgraded that to “worked” when challenged.

It’s abundantly clear that Moore isn’t the problem. The problem is with your vision. You obviously don’t have a clue what you’re looking at. You couldn’t be more wrong about Moore.

by joeklecko on Feb 10, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions

Stay

He has a reasonable contract for a guard, he’s a high caliber player, and we have too many other spots to turn the roster over to begin purging great vet players, especially when we don’t have anyone promising under him (and no, Ducasse doesn’t count).

by J-Nasty on Feb 9, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions

We all saw how getting rid of one guy and replacing him with mediocrity can effect the entire unit

Anyone who’s in favor of doing it again—when the replacements we currently have are LESS proven than Hunter was when he was given the job—is crazy. Does anyone really think Ducasse or Turner will really fair any better than Hunter? With a new guy at RT who hasn’t developed chemistry with the rest of the line yet at that? Or, perish the thought, if Hunter starts next season again????

by Exystence on Feb 9, 2012 5:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions