Draft By Draft Analysis of Mike Tannenbaum - Pt. 6, 2011
This is the next-to-last in the series of draft and offseason analyses of the moves that Mike Tannenbaum has made or didn't make. I will again look at this draft and offseason, try to show how it impacted upon the team's performance on the field during the 2011 season and resulted in some of problems in the locker room.
At the end of that post, I will post a couple of different rosters that the Jets could have going into this offseason rather than the roster they currently have had Tanny not made so many trades, and poor moves in FA. I will also include a poll to see which of the three rosters you would prefer.
Follow after the jump for my thoughts.
2011 Off Season
FA: The Jets re-signed David Harris, Nick Folk, Marquice Cole, Antonio Cromartie, Marcus Dixon, Santonio Holmes, Wayne Hunter, Brodney Pool, Eric Smith and Robert Turner. They allowed Kellen Clemens, Drew Coleman, Braylon Edwards, Shaun Ellis, James Ihedigbo, Lance Laury, Trevor Pryce, Tony Richardson, Brad Smith and Steve Weatherford to leave. Edwards, Ihedigbo and Weatherford were the big losses.
The Jets signed Nick Novak, Donald Strickland, Plaxico Burress, DaJuan Morgan, Trevor Canfield, Pete Clifford, Derrick Mason, Wilson Raynor, Keith Zinger, David Herron, Eddie Jones, Cordarol Scales, Aaron Maybin, Tracy Wilson, Nevin McCaskill, and Isaiah Trufant. They claimed Andrew Sendejo, Mardy Gilyard, and Colin Baxter off waivers. They signed Eron Riley off the Broncos PS. They signed Shawn Nelson. They signed Austin Howard off of the Raven's PS. They signed Gerald Alexander. They also signe Ellis Lankster and Ricky Sapp. The bolded players are still on the roster. It's ridiculous that a team coming off of two successive AFC Championship Games had to bring in that many players, but did because Tanny chose to turn over a full one quarter of the roster. That would be ridiculous in any year, but was mind boggling in a year where there were no OTAs, mini-camps and a shortened TC.
The bigger story with FA in 2011, was not who the Jets signed, but who they didn't. They decided to keep Santonio Holmes and let Braylon Edwards go. We all know how that turned out. There's no way Braylon would have caused the problems that Holmes did and he would have blocked and stretched the field.
They allowed their two best blitzing DBs to leave in Coleman and Ihedigbo to leave. Ihedigbo was also an excellent STs player.
Then there was the RT spot and OL depth in general. Tanny was counting on Wayne Hunter, a career backup, to step in and take over for Damien Woody. They knew by at least preseason that they had no depth as Vlad Ducasse didn't show any signs of being ready to see any significant action. Robert Turner went down in the first preseason game. There was a HUGE list of OL available in FA and the Jets had a good amount of free cap space. Among them were: Flozell Adams, Shawn Andrews, Khalif Barnes, Alex Barron, Willie Colon, Oniel Cousins, Jared Gaither (later signed by KC), Leonard Davis, Bryan McKinnie, Sean Locklear, Jamon Meredith, Clint Oldenburg, Jon Stinchcomb, Tony Ugoh and others. You can't tell me that someone out fo that bunch wouldn't have been better than Hunter. At OG and C, there were a long list of FAs as well including Brian Waters (later signed by the Patriots) and Andre Gurode (later signed by the Ravens). What did Tanny do instead? Sign a UDFA and trade a 6th round pick, a half-assed attempt to provde depth and it wound up costing them the playoffs. IMO, that alone is a fireable offense. It was inexcusable. When added to all the other moves and non-moves he has made,, he is mediocre and doesn't know how to build a roster.
Even with allowing so many of their own players to leave via FA, they had lots of cap space with which to address holes depth and upgrading the K and P positions as well as adding a backup QB. Instead, Tanny wasted almost the entire FA period trying to sign Nnamdi Asomugha, and then had to scramble to re-sign Cromartie and some other FAs.
They wanted a kicker to challenge Nick Folk. Tanny's idea of a challenger was Nick Novak when veterans David Akers, Kris Brown, Phil Dawson, John Kasay, Olindo Mare, Joe Nedney and Jeff Reed were available. Similarly at P they brought in TJ Conley to challenge Steve Weatherford when Josh Bidwell, Durant Brooks, Jeremy Kapinos, Brad Maynard, Adam Podlesh, Dave Zastudil, Sav Rocca and Matt Turk were FAs.
At QB they traded Kevin O'Connell when Bruce Gradkowski and Shaun Hill were available as FAs.
We all know that they could have probably signed Jonathan Joseph for less than Cromartie and had a better CB who was a better fit in their D.
At the safety positions, Oshiomogho Atogwe, Jordan Babineaux, Atari Bigby, Dawan Landry, Bernard Pollard, Madieu Williams and Usama Young among others. Are you telling me that none could cover better than E. Smith or B. Pool?
Trades: The Jets traded an undisclosed pick to the Packers for Caleb Schlauderaf. A totally unnecessary move if the Jets had signed one of the many FA OGs. Dwight Lowery (in one of the worst moves) was traded to Jacksonville for an unconditional pick. Derrick Mason was traded to Houston for an unconditional pick, which they'll never see. The Jets traded their 7th round pick to the Detroit Lions for Kevin OConnell. Tanny continues to squander draft picks for worthless players, for tradeups and for trades for players that wouldn't be necessary if he hadn't wasted so many draft picks and done such a poor job on some of his choices.
Draft: Muhammad Wilkerson (1st), Kenrick Ellis (3rd), Bilal Powell (4th), Jeremy Kerley (5th), Greg McElroy (7th), Scotty McKnight (7th)
UDFAs: Josh Baker, Nick Bellore, Michael Campbell, Collin Franklin, Stafford Gatling, Dan DePalma, Courtney Smith, Tom Ottaiano, Chris Stewart, Julian Posey, Byron Landor, Davon Morgan, Zane Taylor, Taylor Boggs, Jeff Wills, Matthias Berning, Chris Bryan, Jeremy McGee, and Jake Duron.
Practice Squad: I believe the final PS looked like this: Michael Campbell WR, Dedrick Epps TE, Dexter Jackson WR, Matt Kroul OL, Dennis Landolt OT, Mark LeGree DB, Julian Posey CB and Eron Riley WR.
What they left on the table:
While I really liked both the picks of Muhammad Wilkerson and Kendric Ellis, they happened because Tanny had ignored the DL for far too long. In taking both they missed out on several excellent OLB prospects. When coupled with the fact that they didn't have a 2nd round pick because of the trade for Cromartie the year before, they missed out on several excellent WR prospects and a great S prospect as well. I was excited that they took Kerley, as he was a player i liked a lot before the draft, but there were a number of other better WR prospects that they could have had in earlier rounds, including Denarius Moore whom they could have had instead of Powell in the 4th. They also traded up to get Kerley, which cost them a chance at a good blocking TE prospect and a couple more S prospects.
Players they bypassed/missed in taking Wilkerson: Cam Heyward (DE), Derek Sherrod (OT), Jabal Sheard (OLB), Akeem Ayers (OLB), Brooks Reed (OLB), Kyle Rudolph (TE), Titus Young (WR), Rahim Moore (FS), Jaiquan Jarrett (FS), Greg Little (WR)
Players they missed in trading for Cromartie: Marcus Gilbert (OL), Randall Cobb (WR), Justin Houston (OLB), Kelvin Sheppard (OLB), DeMarco Murray (RB), Martez Wilson (OLB/ILB), Dontay Moch (OLB), Austin Pettis (WR), Leonard Hankerson (WR), Jerrel Jernigan (WR), Jah Reid (OT)
Players they bypassed/missed taking Ellis: Alex Green (RB), Cameron Jordan (TE), Luke Stocker (TE), Quinton Carter (S), Greg Salas (WR), Edmond Gates (WR),
Players they bypassed/missed taking Powell: Davon House (DB), Robert Sands (FS), Kealoha Pilares (WR), Marcus Cannon (OL), Gabe Miller (OLB), Denarius Moore (WR)
Players they bypassed/missed taking Kerley: Lee Smith (TE), Jermale Hines (S), Mark Legree (FS), Pernell McPhee (DE/OLB)
Players they bypassed/missed by trading up for Kerley: Tyler Sash (SS), Steve Schilling (OL) Ricky Elmore (OLB)
Players they bypassed/missed by taking Scotty McKnight: Lee Ziemba (OT), Eric Hagg (S), Chris Neild (NT) and all the UDFAs mentioned above that they missed out on.
UDFAs they missed out on: DeAndre McDaniel (S), Deunta Williams (S), Mana Silva (S), Armon Binns (WR), Mark Herzlich (OLB), Joe Lefeged (S), Jeron Johnson (S), Brian Lainhart (S), Steven Friday (OLB), and Ricardo Lockette (WR).
Summary: I think this was Tanny's worst off season. The team was coming off two straight AFC Championship Game appearances. There weren't many needs, but there were some that definitely need to be addressed. There was practically no off season due to the lockout. It was no time for major changes to the roster in spite of having a lot of FAs on the roster. Yet, he chose not to re-sign a number of key players. He failed in all situations. He failed to secure veteran depth for the OL and insurance at RT in case Hunter struggled, overvalued the safeties on the Jets roster and ignored what had been a serious problem in 2010 with their inability to cover TEs over the middle. When Turner went down with a season-ending injury, there were still quality FAs available to replace him. When Hunter struggled badly in preseason, again there was still a quality FA OT available and Tanny did nothing. He had the opportunity to sign a FA S, draft one, or sign a number of UDFA safety prospects that were perhaps better than the ones he did sign and didn't. Maybin flashed in preseason, then they cut him risking some other team picking him up.
In the draft he was already short his 2nd & 7th round picks, then traded up in the 5th losing his 6th round pick, but gaining a 7th. He failed yet again to address the pass rush, which was a big need. He came away with some very good prospects in Wilkerson, Ellis and Kerley, and some head scratching picks in Powell, McElroy (to some extent) and particularly Scotty McKnight. Wilkerson started, but struggled somewhat until later in the season. Ellis was practically invisible as was Powell. Kerley contributed immediately on STs, and as the season progressed contributed more and more on offense. McElroy showed promise but wound up on IR and McKnight had a hard time staying on the PS and then was injured. The net effect is that yet again there were minimal contributions from rookies, when lots of other teams get signficant contributions from their rookies. Is this Tanny's fault for choosing less effective players, or is it the CS's fault for not doing a better job teaching, preparing and developing these young players?
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pretty hard
We can’t really judge this draft for atleast anotheer year and that’s too early.
And I am so sick of jet fans still complaining about lowry I was a fan of his while he was here but he got dealt for a reason we may never know
by Nu York Fan on Feb 9, 2012 9:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I Agree on Judging the Draft
for all intents and purposes, but not when it comes to failing to draft a safety or pass rushing OLB prospect. Those were the two biggest needs and he didn’t address them either in the draft or FA. It’s not too early to judge his other offseason moves. The results are in. Tanny screwed the pooch in FA and other off season moves.
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Why did Mike T. steadily get worse and worse?
His first couple of seasons were pretty solid.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Feb 9, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions
I don't think this was Tanny's worst draft, but it was his worst offseason.
I actually like Cromartie, he got paid and he still produces, in fact he’s improved since getting paid. How Mike T. handled free agency this past season was atrocious and it makes me nervous about the future.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Feb 9, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions
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Nice work once again.
Retain high hopes for McElroy and believe it was good value for a 7th. Fully agree about Powell, but would add Doug Baldwin (WR) and Chris Harris (S) to the UDFAs list. You’re right… T’s performance last year wasn’t very good and is cause for some concern going forward into what’s shaping up to be a critical draft. Bring back Mangini to help him? Thanks for the analysis, Joe. Looking forward to the next one.
Powell confuses me still
I understand every team needs a bigger back for the short yardage situations but the jets already have a bruiser in Greene. Why then would you take a RB who has similar speed and power and still isn’t a threat to take it to the house every play.
I would have much preferred Robert Sands, at least there would be a half decent safety prospect to work with instead of another RB who are dime a dozen in the NFL
Wow! Why is he still here.
We all love his agressiveness giving draft picks away for talent, I know i do but when you give them away on players like Sanchez (i did agree and still don’t because we had a win now team and to draft a qb made no sense) and trading up for players we do not need. Like you said B2B AFC Chips and you draft a position not needed, Powell, Ellis, draft another qb? seventh round short qb,(he ran offense better then sanchez but has no arm) and another small wr. terrible draft which did nothing to increase our chances to get over the hump. What are they all doing?
Drafting a quarterback didn't make sense?
Oh yeah, that was a REALLY dumb move, because we had the all-mighty Kellen Clemens if we didn’t draft a QB.
Correction
Not ALL of us love his aggressiveness in giving away draft picks for talent. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Top shelf GMs don’t do that stupid crap year in and year out. You may wind up with some very good and even great players, but you wind up creating holes at other positions and you have no depth. There’s a reason in the history of the NFL that smart GMs don’t do this. Occasionally some knucklehead owner like Dan Snyder will come along and think he can build a winner by accumulating stars through trading up constantly, or trading draft picks for proven veteran stars. It NEVER has worked in the NFL. NEVER will. There are no shortcuts. Tanny isn’t smarter than all the other GMs in the history of the NFL. He’s an arrogant dumbass. The sooner Woody either learns that and fires his ass or sells the team to an owner who will hire a football man to run the team as President and allow him to hire a quality GM, the sooner we can all be happy and the Jets finally win another Super Bowl.
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Say you stockpile 8-10 draft picks
If you hit on just half of them, you come away from each draft with 4-5 quality young players. Granted, moderate trade ups for guys you think will be elite, like moving up for Revis, are great. Giving up 3 picks to move up for Shonn Greene, giving up a 3rd for one year of Favre, multiple picks for 1.75 years of Edwards. 2nd round pick for Cromartie who would’ve hit the open market in a year. These kinds of moves strip the roster and forgoes the chance to add quality depth, also forces the team to hand out big deals in free agency to guys like Holmes and Cro and Pace and Scott.
by J-Nasty on Feb 10, 2012 10:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cromartie who would’ve hit the open market in a year.
Not necessarily. In many instances these guys get extensions upon landing with a new team. Had Cro ended up elsewhere he might well have never hit the open market.
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Even If Cro Hadn't Hit the Open Market
there have been other FA CBs who arguably might have been a better fit with Rex’s style of play and there have been other good CB prospects in the draft. That’s the thing. You can’t afford to think that there’s only one player that will make your team better. That causes you to overpay and go all in to get that player, when in reality, there are multiple players that can help meet the need.
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we gave up a 2nd for Cro
Cromartie had the 6th best completion % among all corners with 46% – Revis was best with 41%. so i think giving up a 2nd round pick (which originally was a 3rd) for Cro was pretty good IMO.
I also wasn’t crazy about Cro at the time, but for all of my complaints about the guy, I’d probably do that trade knowing all I do now.
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I think some of the criticism goes a bit too far, but there’s no question this was a bad offseason. I think we’ll end up liking the Draft a lot. Wilkerson looks like he’s gonna be a stud. Kerley looks like a playmaker, and I think the coaching staff will nurture Ellis’ talent. This seems to be an odd trend for the Tannenbaum era, though. When he has a strong Draft, he does poorly in free agency and vice versa.
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I respect your opinion. Which criticisms do you think go too far? I think they’re all justified.
I like Wilkerson too, as well as Ellis and think they will be dynamic players for the Jets for years. We’d better hope so, because after failing to take a pass rushing OLB in last year’s draft, if they fail again this year or miss like on Gholston, then who knows how long it will be before they get the chance to get another?
Kerley looks like he will be a playmaker, but the point is they didn’t have to trade up to get a playmaker. Denarius Moore is already better than Kerley and he could have been had in the 4th round instead of Powell. There are examples of this in every draft. It’s not cherry picking. It’s reality. Trading up is not necessary if one knows how to use the draft properly.
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I only have minor quibbles with stuff like UDFA’s and seventh round picks. Very few are hits, and most of the time the team is just throwing stuff at the wall making those. I won’t kill a GM for missing on a guy in the seventh or an undrafted free agent. Those guy only make it that far because every single team has passed on them multiple times.
Outside of that, I’m with you largely on the 2011 offseason, not very good at all for Tanny. Like you’ve said, though, we’ll have to wait a bit on saying for sure on the Draft.
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I don’t think it’s cherry picking at all to question a bad pick. If Powell does not pan out (and I’m going to reserve judgment), it’s perfectly fine to question the GM on it.
My disagreements in this series have been more with the earlier posts where we talk about how the team might have passed on D’Brickashaw, taken Ngata, and gotten somebody else later. I’ll call it the Hakeem Olajuwon principle.
Back in 1984, Michael Jordan went third overall in the NBA Draft to the Bulls. Everybody kills the Portland Trail Blazers for passing on him to take Sam Bowie. Few get on the Rockets for taking Hakeem Olajuwon over Jordan, though, because Hakeem was a Hall of Famer and won two titles. Yes, they probably would have been better off with Jordan, but it’s tough to complain when what they got ended up being really good. This is more where I respectfully disagree with you.
I enjoyed the series, though, Joe. It was certainly thought provoking. I think you have inspired a post or two where I agree with and debate some of the themes you’ve touched on.
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Thanks
for your thoughtful responses and kind words. I consider that high praise, and greatly appreciate it!!!
You have valid points.
By the way, the series isn’t quite over. I still have one more installment to go where I list all the players that Tanny has drafted, all the UDFAs he’s signed, all the FAs he’s signed, and also list the players he missed by taking the players he did, by trading up or by trading picks for a player. I will also list several realistic potential rosters the Jets could have today instead of the one they currently have.
With regard to your point about Cromartie, I may be mistaken, but I think there have been some other very good CBs available in either the draft or FA, that whereas they might not be as good as Cromartie, they along with the player the Jets could have taken with that 2nd round pick could make the team better. In addition, whereas Cromartie improved this last season, he still isn’t a very willing or good tackler, has trouble covering shorter, quicker WRs, and hasn’t come up with very many TOs. I think some other CBs would definitely tackle better, possibly have come up with more TOs and quite possibly be better in covering those shorter, quicker WRs.
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very nice job done with this series
Overall, the one point of argument i have as whole with basically all parts of this, is that GMs can always be looked at for what they didn’t do. It’s what they DID do that you can judge them on. So i don’t think it’s really fair to bash him for doing something like trading a second rounder for Cro. Cro’s a great player and I think the trade has panned out to be worth it. Saying it was a bad decision because we could’ve used the second round pick for another player, I don’t see that as a fair argument. You can use those kinds of arguments about ANY GM. No offense by the way, just my thoughts.
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Question: If the Jets could have drafted or signed another FA CB who let’s say was 1 notch below Cro in speed, but was a better tackler, better able to cover shorter, quicker receivers, gave you more interceptions AND was cheaper cap-wise, PLUS you got another starter or solid backup with that 2nd round pick, wouldn’t you say it was well worth it? If so, then why shouldn’t the GM get at least some strong questioning if not criticism for not making that move???
Sometimes the moves you don’t make are just as important or more important than the ones you do. If you ignore those “non-moves” of the GM, then you aren’t really looking at the whole picture. You’re only looking at half of his work (or maybe less).
Bradway or whomever the GM of the Jets was at the time has gotten killed by Jets fans or years for not taking Warren Sapp. Why then shouldn’t Tanny be criticized for not making some moves or for not taking certain players.
I don’t mean any offense either, but I just don’t understand the amount of slack that many of you Jets fans are giving Tanny. What does it take for you all to see that he isn’t doing nearly as good a job as he could be? Why are you all so willing to accept average or mediocre? Why don’t you want to try to find someone who might be really, really good, where the Jets’ chances of getting to the Super Bowl are greatly increased? Do you really think that with the way Tanny has been handling the draft and FA that the Jets’ chances of making the Super Bowl are that good? I don’t. Even if Rex learns all he needs to, I think there are always gonna be major obstacles to overcome because of the mistakes that Tanny makes.
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I respect your opinion
But no general manager is perfect. And also, I don’t know who you could possibly be describing in place of Cro. I like Tanny. He aint perfect, and there are quite a few things I don’t like about him, but in 09 and ‘10, we were right on the doorstep of the superbowl. I think Tanny is a solid general manager. That’s my opinion, I respect yours.
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No, no GM is perfect, but some are better than others, and even the best should be able to withstand some scrutiny. There are always things they could do differently or better. Yes, we were on the doorstep of the SB, but did we make it and actually win? What happened in 2011? Were those things not a direct result of Tanny’s choices? Yes.
As far as CB goes, I was basically thinking of Jonathan Joseph. I think he’s better and probably would have been cheaper than Cro. Chris Houston is a very good CB the Jets could have nabbed him in 2007. The Jets also wound up taking Kyle Wilson in 2010 after trading for Cro anyway. Cro undeniably has amazing speed and athleticism. The problem is he really isn’t that good a fit in Rex’s D, and doesn’t tackle well. Houston plus the player they could have gotten with the 2nd they traded for Cro, probably would have been better than just Cro, or signing Joseph would have been better.
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