Wayne Hunter to Return in 2012?
by John B on Feb 8, 2012 8:30 PM EST
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The Jets apparently had until today to cut Wayne Hunter to prevent his 2012 salary from being guaranteed. They failed to do so, meaning they will pay their 2011 starting right tackle whether he is on the roster or not.
In other contract news, the Jets apparently have decided to keep RT Wayne Hunter, whose $2.45 million salary for '12 became guaranteed on Wednesday, a source confirmed. This is a head scratcher.
Calling it a head scratcher would be an understatement. We have been over why Hunter should not return plenty. I suppose the Jets still might cut him, but that certainly would not fit Woody Johnson's recent (let's be nice and call it) frugal nature. The Jets held an entire press conference the day after the season ended with no other purpose than for Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan to lie blatantly to the media about Brian Schottenheimer returning hoping the Jaguars would hire him and save Gang Green a few bucks. The Jets also might make Hunter a backup again, but he would be one expensive backup. The money allocated to him could better go to more productive players. Yes, the Jets might lose him if they cut him and tried to re-sign him for cheap, but he is not the only backup tackle available. He certainly is not good enough to take extraordinary steps to keep.
Maybe the Jets worked out some sort of paycut that we will find out about in the hours and day ahead. Short of that, I am stumped for an explanation on this one.
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maybe they are keeping him as their 6th lineman?
like just as a backup?… please
Anyone wanna get drunk?
Cuz this sucks.
by nyj-nyy-nyk on Feb 8, 2012 8:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
beat ya to it
Although it was for different reasons earlier, I now have a new reason to continue.
by SaxTom on Feb 8, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
fml
there is no explaining this one
mike T really screwed up here at least if ur RT is shit he should be getting paid like shit
There's DEFINITELY something we don't know about right now
there are probably more layers to this than it seems up front…then again i’m Mr. Optimistic, so maybe not everyone sees it like that.
No Options at RT:
There really aren’t many options for Jets. There are no upgrade FA at RT this year and it is a big risk betting on a draft pick to be your starting RT. Sometimes the Devil you know is better than the Devil you don’t know. He has had some very good games but his weakness is against quick off the snap rushers who basically just run around him before he even moves. Don’t really see him getting run over or out muscled. But 2 million plus for an at best average RT is a lot.
Oh he get out muscle last year on plenty occasions. Don't get it twisted. He's terrible.
Those many that run around him so often, can also push him back into the QB as he has to compensate so much in fear of the speed rush. Right now he’s a “backup at best” RT. A dumbfounding move by a front office that should be looking for credibility after signing a malcontent long term in Holmes.
Versatility
He was inconsistent in 2011 @ RT, but played well in 2010 subbing for Woody. He can also play at center and guard as a backup. I think that will be his role in providing depth. Also, expect the blocking scheme to be less complex and more in tune with ground and pound. The Lockout probably impacted him more than the other OL players. Overall, the OL under performed in 2011.
Where Did You Get That He Can Play Center and OG?
I’ve never heard/seen that . I’ll be surprised if that’s true, because I’ve seen several discussions of the Jets OL and never any mention of his flexibility.
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I think he’s confusing Hunter with Turner.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Feb 8, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Its time
to really start questioning this front office. The Jets somehow had three pro bowl offensive lineman yet Sanchez got hit time and time again. Either our pro bowlers are overrated or Hunter was so incredibly bad that he alone caused Sanchez to get hammered time and time again.
For this guy to get more than 2 million guaranteed when he may have been the worst starting RT in the league is beyond questionable. I had no problem cutting his salary dramatically and keeping him as a backup but guaranteeing anything to the guy is a terrible move.
We have to wonder how muh Tanny actually plays a role in personell selection
he has no history in player evaluation. I think the majority of the personell decisions are made by the coaches, and I have this bad feeling Sporano likes Hunter and thinks with a full offseason he can turn him into a good RT
Trade material?
Package Hunter and Smitty with a pick or something in a package to move up in the draft or something? I just don’t want us to keep either of them. It’d make me so sad if we did.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Feb 8, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Who on earth is going to TRADE for Hunter?
Hmmm… maybe the Rams I guess. They took Schotty and have shown over the last year that getting their QB murdered is part of the game plan.
This makes sense
If we package Hunter Smith and our 7th RD 16th pick, we could move up to 7th RD 19th pick…
I could live with that
Except being that the contract is guaranteed...
The Jets would pay the cap money for him to be on someone else’s roster. Still not a smart idea being that he has no trade value.
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doesnt a trade give them his contract to deal with, regardless of guaranteed money?
they should pay him, and it’s now their job to have it guaranteed
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No
The original team would still be left with his guaranteed money. That is why if Santonio is dealt, the 2012 and 2013 guaranteed salary is still absorbed by NYJ, not his new team. It’d be one thing if the player had a roster bonus because the new team would be on hook for that future bonus, but that doesn’t apply to Hunter because he’s not going to be guaranteed based on a roster bonus. His salary is already guaranteed so no matter what happens to him now the Jets will be paying for his salary.
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This move deserves it alone
Let alone any of the other brilliant moves, like signing Ghoston or locking up Homes with the fat contract. Or cutting Braylon and signing Plex or Mulligan..or…Why do I need to go on?
Lemme say something bout eric smith
He isn’t going anywhere. As awful as he is, he’s a good special teams player, good in certain situations as a sub package player, and we don’t have any safety depth in the first place.
I agree with you on the STs, depending on the contract he's prob good there,
but he is terrible at Safety in all packages, too slow to cover a receiver, too small to cover a TE, and was too undisciplined to hold the edge and let Tebowmania 2011 continue last year.
the day after the season ended...
the Jets should have said…we have cut Eric Smith,Wayne Hunter ,Mathew Mulligan,Bryan Thomas and Ladanian Tomlinson….that wouldve saved alot of $$$ and headache
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Tomlinson and Thomas are free agents.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
And Mulligan.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
This Definitely Shows That Tanny is Effing Clueless
His ass needs to go as much as Hunter’s. Even if they are keeping him for depth, his salary at a minimum should have been sliced in half. There went a big chunk of money that the team could have used to sign some FAs.
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im gonna stay optimistic
and assume he agreed to restructure later in the year, and will remain a backup.
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I'm scared Sporano and Degugliemo think they see something in him
this could all be that these two think they can develop him into a good starter. Which would scare me because you need to be a miracle worker to fix him, and I don’t want to spend another year with Mark on the ground.
Time to invest in two mediocre backups. Maybe we can carry 4 QBs against good
pass rushing teams? Then again, we might be running the wildcat for large portions of the game, who knows.
Guys, can we please not lose our sanity right now?
Yeah, this is a head-scratching decision that none of us really have a reason to be happy about, but there’s probably something more to this than we initially know. Maybe there’s undisclosed news about his contract being restructured, maybe he won’t remain a starter, who knows? I’m sure something will happen that will lead to a better situation by the time training camp or kickoff rolls around.
and if you want an immediate theory, here's one
Maybe they’re planning an open competition for right tackle. Kinda like they did to figure out who would take Faneca’s spot in 2010. That worked out alright didn’t it? And it seemed like just as much of a disaster initially too.
I'm interested in seeing how much vlad has improved.
I think with good o-line guys in sporano and gugli-whatever his name is, they can work with him. The fact that vlad saw some playing time with no training camp is a good sign. Can’t wait till OTAs. The battle for LG looked like a failure when slauson got slapped by ngata, but he’s turned into a solid lineman.
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by jets4life24 on Feb 8, 2012 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is a +1
Vlad looked like a bust, but… once the dust settled he still did not look great, but I was slightly suprised that he looked kind of sort of good as a Jumbo TE…thats real game time (granted not what we wanted from him but its something) …. I wonder how his hands are?
I'm guessing they may try to trade him for a late rounder.. or use him as a utility backup.
Other than that I have no idea.
Good point.
Mangini built a great team that rex has tinkered with. He brought in tough young veterans in t-rich, t-jones, faneca, and drafted really well. Maybe he should be our top scout guy.
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Hypothesis: Mike T doesn't really get football at all
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Stupid Question
Is it time for the fan base to ask Woody to put the team up for sale? Tanny needs to go and he sure isn’t, if Woody’s the owner. Not unless we get the 1st draft choice next year and I’m not even sure that would probably cause Johnson to fire MT!
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by rexthejet on Feb 9, 2012 12:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Man, I know Von Miller is a beast
But this dude got owned by much lesser talent consistently. Sorry guys, is there a possibility that they would move him to Guard?
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A huge risk!!
A QB has a better chance surviving a game of russian roulette than a game with Wayne Hunter as their starting tackle. They better thinking about restructing his contract and making him a back-up. He was the weakest link on this o-line. We have a chance with one good signing on making this the best o-line in the league. We better not try to go cheap to save money to get Payton. I tell you what if we do go after and get Payton and that waste for space Hunter is our starting tackle, Payton better have his affairs in order.
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by greenandwhite4ever on Feb 9, 2012 2:45 AM EST reply actions
NY Jets Cap
Would expect #Jets to prorate about $1 mil and reduce cap charge. does not guar. starting job. $2.5 for a backup tackle is not crazy
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Feb 9, 2012 6:59 AM EST reply actions
I guess they figure he won't play that bad again, and I doubt he's as terrible next year too but...
When you have a guy who’s a journeyman vet that played SO awful and you just had a disappointing season, IMO it’s bad juju to keep him on the roster. Not only does it give him another chance to derail the season, but it sends a message about accountability, more specifically a lack thereof. If Hunter can play that bad and still get his money, what’s keeping everyone else on edge? I mean, there was no real battle for any starting spots as-is, guys like Eric Smith and Hunter walked into the year declared as uncontested starters, even when we had a safety who has shown he was at least as deserving as Smith and should’ve had a shot to compete. The more I think about it, the more this staff loses its luster every day.
by J-Nasty on Feb 9, 2012 7:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOO
I never came here to kiss Bill Belichick's rings. I came here to win, let's put it that way. ... I'm certainly not intimidated by New England or anybody else. Rex Ryan
So if they are gonna find a new starting RT
Does this mean that Vlad will go to guard and stay there, or are they choosing between Vlad and Wayne? I don’t think much of Vlad the Inhaler, but I’d rather keep him than Wayne Hunter. They need to keep him at guard, I’m sure the FO is disappointed Vlad has basically failed to show he’s a tackle, but at this point if you can salvage him at all it’s a win.
by J-Nasty on Feb 9, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It's not a risk at all. It's a good move.
He has a 2.4 million dollar contract, but has no signing bonus. If they cut him at any point from now through the end of the season it does not impact the Jets salary cap so they will still save the 2.4 on the cap, they’re just paying the player. If he gets better or is the tackle reserve while Hunter plays backup guard and center than great. If he doesn’t work than you can cut him or whatever you want. You don’t cut someone unless you absolutely have to as a rule of thumb. They don’t absolutely have to cut him.
Our front office is pure
comedy gold. Tanny needs to go. I’m guessing that won’t happen until after next season.
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