Mark Barron, Out until August with Hernia?
Joe Everett of rookie draft is tweeting that Mark Barron has a double hernia and will be out until at least July/August time. First round selection in doubt? Good chance to get him in the 2nd now? What you you GGN'ers think of this?
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Good News
I really like Barron but would be pretty mad if we took him 16th overall…now maybe Tanny can concentrate on a trade that will help us land Trent Richardson in the 1st :)
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If He Trades Up for Richardson
I’m gonna punch you both right in the mouth! LOL!!! :-P
Trading up is NOT the way to build a team year in and year out. It’s stupid. It’s one thing if Richardson falls to us. It’s another to keep wasting draft picks moving up.
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by joeklecko on Feb 7, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please no.
WE DON’T NEED A RUNNING BACK!!! We have PLENTY of more pressing needs. RB is a luxury pick that we just can’t afford to make right now. We have too many holes that need to be filled.
Think of it this way, if we take Richardson without fixing the problems on our OL (which ranked 22nd in rushing) who is going to block for him? Even if he does, single-handedly, improve our running game, we still can’t cover TEs so the Pats will beat us twice anyway! Also, without improving our OL and WRs, we still have no passing game, so teams will just stack the box and probably end up thrashing Richardson’s knees or something. Oh, and we also can’t rush the passer to save our lives.
by struckanerve9 on Feb 8, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, this idea reminds me of a couple years ago when the Bills took CJ Spiller
when they had line issues and 2 capable RBs. That pick netted them nothing in the first two years of his career. We are definitely in a better situation then the Bills were but the idea is the same, if you trade up or down you better make sure you fill the holes you have before you start fixing potential cracks.
Excellent
now we can focus exclusively on getting a pass rusher in the first round because that is the position of greatest need.
This is Great News
Now we can grab someone in the first like Upshaw or Mercilus and grab Barron in the 2nd. Even if Barron isn’t there than we can target a WR. This is fantastic.
Great news.......
Because now we don’t reach for this guy in the first round. He is an OK safety prospect. I would hate to see theJets grab him with a number one pick. Please Get us a pass rusher or T. Richardson at 16… or drop back and get a couple picks.
Richardson
Trent Richardson is my dream pick this year, but many draft boards don’t see him going down farther than the 10th pick. With Barron out, I wouldn’t mind trading up to get him. After that, I’d say focus on getting a pass rusher and hope that safety can be filled in later rounds.
More like a nightmare...
Seriously, how can people justify wanting to take Richardson when we have so many gaping holes that need to be plugged? Who’s going to block for him? How are we going to beat the Pats when we can’t cover a TE? Who’s going to rush the passer and provide depth for our decrepit OLBs?
Trading up? That means giving up something. No thanks. We need all the picks we can get right now.
Geez…too many people have forgotten the Blair Thomas debacle!
by struckanerve9 on Feb 8, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
In this situation especially if Richardson fell to our spot, I'm sure there would be demand
to be able to get a nice haul for that pick which we shouldn’t pass up. We’d guarentee ourselves Barron still and pick up a decent pick.
Safety
you only pick a safety in the first round if he has the potential to be another Ed Reed. I still remember being upset when we passed up Reed for Bryan Thomas. That worked out real well.
As for Barron he is a solid player but he is not a difference maker like a legit pass rusher will be for us. The key to our defense becoming dominant is to finally draft a couple of legit pass rushers. We have ignored this need for far too long and it has to end now.
I think a S and even an OLB that can cover is a lot more important for the D to become dominent...
we got torched routinely by TE’s and pass catching RB’s and that is NE biggest strength (that teams are already starting to copy), imporved pass rush is needed, but not more than good coverage, especially when TE and RB pass are quick, that do not get disrupted much even by great pass rushers. When you have great CBs like we do you dont have to have an amazing pass rusher, you do however have to be able to stop the other options.
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Our biggest problem
is that the QB has all day to throw against us. I agree that we clearly need a safety and we should sign a free agent but the key to beating the likes of Brady is to knock him down consistently. Make the QB uncomfortable and a lot of problems get solved.
To be a great defense you must have a consistent pass rush. Look at teams like the giants, niners, and ravens and you will see big time pass rushes. The Jets have been lacking in this for years and can only get to the QB consistently when we bring extra guys which leaves the secondary exposed.
by bklynbrewcrew on Feb 7, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
+1
you don’t beat the Pats or teams with good TEs by having good coverage LBs or safeties. None of them can cover someone like Gronkowski any way. The Giants beat the Pats even with a healthy Gronkowski earlier in the season with poor coverage LBs because they can shorten the time it takes to get to the QB without having to send extras. That is how yout TE coverage improves.
That actually doesn't make sense.
The TE usually runs shorter, faster developing routes. The whole point being to give your QB a quicker play so he doesn’t get hit. You’d have to have a pretty amazing pass rush to get to the QB if the route takes only 2 seconds to develop! Frankly, you need a combination of a good pass rush and either a safety or a LB (in Gronk’s case, both) who can take that option away.
by struckanerve9 on Feb 8, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly!
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Rex Has Said
that he doesn’t care if the OLBs can cover or not. Perhaps that’s stupid, but that’s the way he has thought in the past. He just wants someone who can really get after the QB. The Jets need two such OLBs. Then and only then, will opposing QBs not have all day to pick the Jets’ secondary apart. Coverage of the TEs needs to come from the Safeties. That’s why the Jets need to sign a FA S who excels in coverage, then draft a young guy to develop. If one of the OLBs can occasionally drop into coverage and play well to confuse opposing offenses great, but most of the time, I want two strong, fast guys who are gonna make the QB fear for his safety every time he drops back to pass.
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When is the Jets secondary ever picked apart...
they get beaten by TE’s and RBs on quick slants and in the flats.
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I feel so bad....
….To be so happy that a player is injured. This ensures that we won’t be reaching for Barron at 16. This also allows us to probably get him in the 2nd or maybe even the 3rd, which would be great value if he turns out to be healthy, sort of like the Pats did with Gronk.
by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions
I Wouldn't Be Surprised
if he fell further than that. Think about it. If he can’t begin playing until August, he will have missed OTAs, mini-camps and most of TC. Almost certainly he wouldn’t be ready to even play much, much less start at the beginning of the season. After the Combine and Pro Days, Harrison Smith or Markelle Martin might move ahead of Barron.
While I agree that it’s good news that the Jets probably won’t be tempted to reach for Barron now (I wouldn’t put anything stupid past Tanny), the flip side of this is that it might also mean that it raises the grade on guys like Winston Guy and other mid-round safeties, because teams that need Safety help might start taking them earlier. It could also hurt in that perhaps some other team might have reached for Barron and let a better OLB, WR or RT slip to the Jets, but now that player might not fall.
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stay put and go BPA
It beats me how some peeps want the Jets to trade up to get a player. I say we stay put at 16. The jets cannot keep mortgaging away the future with trade ups and trade aways. We are sitting pretty at 16 and who in the world would warrant a trade up. I dont see any. if we miss Richardson, so be it. there are other studs to be had.
IMO the true gems are found in the mid rounds. trade ups would rob us of that once again as in last drafts.
i agree
i think we have a solid spot in all of our rounds. we need to pick smart and use all 7 picks. we lost a lot of free agents last year and this year were going to be losing more too. Barron being most likely a 2nd round pick now narrows the Jets options down. i think they grab an OLB first round and address the offense like WR, OT later.
by np3 on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Stay put
Draft Mercilus or Upshaw (if he drops) in the first.
If Barron is still there in the second, get him.
Try to fill the RT spot in FA.
Look for WR, RB, NT, LB depth in the later rounds.
by struckanerve9 on Feb 8, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, i'd rather they stay put, or trade down.
The Jets need starters, but they also need depth.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I Totally Agree
IMO they’re showing their ignorance. The Jets simply cannot keep doing that.
I wish those advocating a trade up would get a 3 day ban slapped on them to give them time to think about their foolish desires. LOL!! ;-)
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Great, great news...
I think he’s the perfect fit for us, but like him even more in the second than the first.
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Tanny should...
Trade pick 1.16 , HB Shonn Greene and a 4th to move into a spot that we can take Trent Richardson, im sorry fellas but we need to score points before we need to sack the QB, our Defense has been Top 8 for 3 seasons strong and who are we losing in FA? NOBODY, Bryan Thomas is history and Aaron Maybin is our pass rusher, we NEED a bigtime HB with talent only seen once every 7 or 8 years, and that is Trent Richardson, the guy can break it on any given touch and he has great hands to catch the ball ( something that Greene doesnt do very well)…also with the hiring of Sparano, we ARE going to be pounding the rock a whole helluva lot
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I agree to some extent...
I think the emphahis on a great pass rusher is certainly over hyped, I do think we ned one., but if we can get Richardson that would be a much better option, I also think S is more importnat need as well.
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Over Hyped?
I’m sorry, but that’s absurd. How exactly, when the Jets get almost NO pressure on opposing QBs most of the time and they have all day to pick apart the Jets’ secondary? It doesn’t matter how great your DBs are. If an NFL QB has plenty of time, he’s gonna pick your D apart. DBs can only cover for so long. Maybin may develop, he may not. Opposing offenses may better learn how to deal with his speed rushes and then what? I doubt he will ever have the size or strength to bull rush, and maybe not the ability to get strong enough to be effective with other moves.
With better OL play, better play from Sanchez, and almost certainly better play calling, this team will score points. Most of the draft picks have already gone to offense on this team, and in all likelihood, at least two more will with the selection of a WR and RT, and quite possibly 3 or 4 more. Meanwhile, Rex is having to make do with JAGs on D and Revis. We saw last season how the D is becoming less and less effective. Rex’s bag of tricks is about empty. They need at least one, and preferably two playmakers in the front 7. Not only will that help prevent opponents from scoring as often, but should also create a lot more TOs, and give our offense a lot more opportunities to score. Joe McKnight can score from anywhere on the field, too. Richardson would be nice, but he certainly isn’t necessary. If the Jets feel they want or need another RB there will be very good prospects available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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"good HBs in 2nd or 3rd"
see, thats the thing tho, Richardson is a BEAST with talent seen once every 7 years or so, he is like Adrian Petersen but he can CATCH!!!, if we keep stockpiling “prospects” we will have a roster full of crap, we need to take a Playmaker and give this Ofense some identity and someone that strikes some fear into opposing Defenses
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Is he really *that* good?
Ingram had similar numbers in the same program and rush for something like 3.5 YPC this year as a rookie. Also-RBs prime is soooooooooo short. I like him but worry that we are overhyping him.
Richardson is not Peterson.
I’m being really frank here, I don’t see anything that separates Greene from Richardson other than that Richardson’s got better hands, and he might have a better side-step. I see similar top-end speed and similar running style. Monte Ball did more damage against better defenses than Richardson did this past year. Trent Richardson is not worth selling the farm for.
The Jets’ needs are 1A: Pass Rusher and 1B: Depth EVERYWHERE. They’re a shallow team. This draft has either got to be about getting a damn fine pass rusher in the first round or always going after the best player available with every pick.
He was a beast IN COLLEGE
Playing on the best team in college. Don’t start booking his HOF induction already.
by struckanerve9 on Feb 8, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
That is not how we were beat...
yes we often give opposing QBs to much time, but its not how we got beat, despite that time given the WR’s are still usually completely covered by Revis, Cro., and Wilson. We got beat all year by TE’s and RBs on short passes, down the middle, and on screens, a great pass rush is not going to effect two out of three of those situation, we need S that can cover, plain and simple and far more important.
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So...
…who’s going to block for him? Who’s going to cover the TEs that have been killing us and is the main reason we lost to the Pats twice? Who’s going to rush the passer? Those questions are just scratching the surface! The one question you don’t see is, “who is going to carry the ball?” We don’t need Richardson. We need DEPTH at the RB spot, but that can be had in later rounds. We NEED new Linebackers, new safeties, a new right tackle, and at least one new wide receiver.
by struckanerve9 on Feb 8, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Running backs
are a dime a dozen in this league. If Richardson falls to us we have to consider him but we have such a lack of depth that trading up would be a mistake.
If anything we need to trade down and stockpile picks as our depth has been greatly compromised with the lack of draft picks the last few seasons.
I agree 100%
you can always find somebody to play running back. Greene is fine and fits w/ the team, and McKnight gives us good versatility. there is no way we should trade up for Richardson
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Brings back memories of Heath Miller. Jets almost took him but a hernia kept him out and hurt his status.
Traded the first for Doug Jollie (Yikes.) I think it makes him fall some spots. I still say that you take him IF he is the best talented at the position. Just like Miller, once he gets healthy he will play football this year. I’m not comparing him skill wise to Miller, I’m just saying that his situation should have been a learning lesson, if the kid was worth the Jets second rounder and he’s still on the board, take him and dont rush him into practice, let him learn the playbook and get him into the game and let see what the kid has got.
i like greene.
I think if we grab Doug Martin in round 2 we can have a potentially devistating ground game with Greene, Martin, and McKnight. I’m not high on Powell. There is also a chance that Richardson falls to 16 and if that’s the case we could rather grab him or trade down for a kings ransom.
by nyj-nyy-nyk on Feb 7, 2012 3:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if Powell does not make out of camp this year, he sucks.
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I don't get why people are writing off Powell already.
He hasn’t proven anything, but he also sure as hell hasn’t got the chance to prove anything either. I think we’re fine this year for depth at RB without needing to draft one in the first round or go out and sign one.
because in his limited touches
he looks like he has nothing. Not a reason to write him off, but he looks like he has no great physical tools nor does he seem instinctive at all.
joe mcknight
Had limited touches last year and actually proved something. Its hard to give Powell the benefit of the doubt when he has inspired no confidence.
by nyj-nyy-nyk on Feb 7, 2012 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and the goal line fumble
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McKnight had about as bad a preseason as you could have had his rookie year and still was able to work back in to see playing time...
the fact that Powell didn’t get one look all season says bust loud and clear.
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Cause he sucks
did you see him run at all last preseason he was awful, no speed, no power, had trouble holding on to the ball. There is a reason he sat all season.
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we do NOT need a RB
i don’t care if Richardson shows promise. Ive never seen so many people hate on a guy that rushed for 1000 yards in his first year as a starter (Green) and then think we can trade him for picks? there’s a lot more needs than a RB in the first round. id rather take a WR like Floyd or Alshon Jeffrey than Richardson.
we need a damn pass rusher. I’m tired of bringing in vets, or signing teams leftovers to fix our pressure. find the top 4 OLB prospects and target one.
look at the Giants, they were dead last in rushing but have great route WR’s and GREAT pass rushers. our safety’s get exposed because the opposing QB has literally 7 seconds to LOOK for the receiver and another 2 to throw it.
bottom line: draft a freakin’ pass rusher.
definately take a pass rushing olb in the first
after that, even with a hernia and a missed combine, Mark barron will still be an early 2nd rounder and we should trade up for him in the 2nd
we cannot trade up in this draft. at all
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Trade down!
Who knows what will happen between now and then, but 16 is a good spot to trade down. Last year the Pats got Ryan Mallett and he was in the mix as a 1st round pick, and the 2nd most talented after Cam Newton.
If Barron drops, which he definately will, it will only be to the 2nd round.
Grab T-Rich if available...
Otherwise trade down and pick up an extra pick or two….the cap restricts us some in making FA splash….may have to cut a few players i.e.: Pace, MadBacker, Hunter, Smith and maybe few others….would love to get S Michael Griffin and pair him with Pool while possible drafting someone in 4/5th round….i dont think Barron will be available to us.
1— T-Rich or LB Nick Perry
2— T Mike Adams
3— WR Joe Adams (this guy is electric and homerun threat)
4 — Markelle Martin/Antonio Allen/ George Iloka
5 — " The Natural"
OR
Double dip 1st two rounds with Perry & V Curry and OT B Massie in 4th and possible WR in 5th
Mike Adams will not make it out of the 1st round after what he did in the senior bowl.
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My position on this is that its a blessing in disguise.
This will push him out of the 1st round easily. If we can get him in the 2nd, great, but I think about what happened with Marcus Cannon and the Pats. Cannon was supposed to be a high talent that fell because of a very easy to fix condition with time, sure he was out for the year, but they stole Cannon where ever they got him Barron will only be temporary, but he’ll be out of the combine for this I am sure so he’ll have question marks all over. I think that if we listen around the draft tables and see what happened with Barron we could play gambler and see if he falls all the way into the third.
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No, but still not being able to get his Combine stats is something to consider
he could have shown bad measurables, even if he tries with the hernia. Everything factors in no matter what it is.
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I was agreeing with you haha.
This is most definitely a blessing in disguise if this means we can nab him in the second round.
Running backs are commodities with a short shelf life in the NFL these days.
You don’t need to draft one high – you may not even need to draft one at all (see Foster, Arian). I am not high on Richardson at all – he is probably the most heralded back but I’m not sure he is the best. He is definitely no Adrian Peterson. I want to see the combine results before getting excited about any running back.
We need play makers on defense to force turnovers and put pressure on opposing offenses, giving us better field position more often, or giving our offense more opportunities with the ball each game. We need to improve our team speed. The Giants showed you what you can do with average LB’s and DB’s if you have those players that can dominate on the D-line (which is why I’m also in favor of shifting back to more of a 4-3 in this era of the QB). Without some cap relief somewhere we are not going to be able to do much in free agency this year besides re-sign a few players of our own and maybe target one or two positions.
Unless a player at the top of our board is there when we pick, we should trade down for more picks. The rookie wage scale gives us the ability to sign more players and try to add more talent and speed even if it is in backup and supporting roles. We have too many holes to think we can fill them with one player, and we need to make up for the limited umber of players we have drafted over the last 5 years.
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