Potential Jets: Shaun Hill
by John B on Feb 4, 2012 3:47 PM EST
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PrintIf the Jets go to the discount bin looking for a quarterback this offseason, they might well turn their attention to Lions backup quarterback, Shaun Hill, who will be a free agent. Hill has 26 career starts in nine seasons in the league with Minnesota, San Francisco, and Detroit. He saw extended stretches as a starter with the 49ers late in 2008, again in early 2009, and with the Lions when Matt Stafford spent much of 2010 injured.
Hill fits the solid backup/below average starter category. He is accurate on short passes with a 61.7% career completion percentage. He does not have the arm to get the ball into tight widows for big plays down the field as his 6.6 average per attempt would indicate. He does protect the football, though, with only 23 career interceptions in 941 attempts, an excellent rate of 2.4%. His 84.7 career rating reflects this adequate but not spectacular ability and track record.
I would like to see the Jets grab a guy like David Garrard or Jason Campbell with more of a track record. I want a starting caliber quarterback. I think the perception by signing Hill due to his limited playing time would be that he would be Mark Sanchez's backup. Hill still would likely be a lot better than the 2011 mode of Mark Sanchez and fit the mode of a ball protecting game manager a team built on defense and the run game would want. I feel the quarterback position is too important to grab a cheap career backup, but Hill would probably be my preferred choice if that is how the front office decided to go.
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Oh no you didn’t.
Take a look at Shaun Hill’s career numbers. Then compare them to our “franchise” QB’s putrid career stats…
Now you may be ready to throw up
by nationalist88 on Feb 5, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
For some reason
I mistook Shaun Hill for Shaun King.
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Shaun Hill sucks
I never came here to kiss Bill Belichick's rings. I came here to win, let's put it that way. ... I'm certainly not intimidated by New England or anybody else. Rex Ryan
Shaun Hill sucks
I never came here to kiss Bill Belichick's rings. I came here to win, let's put it that way. ... I'm certainly not intimidated by New England or anybody else. Rex Ryan
Maybe, but he’s a step above scrubs like Chad Henne and Brady Quinn.
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I’d take Quinn over Hill. I just think Quinn hasn’t gotten a fair shake so far. Cleveland was an awful team. Supposedly he also outplayed Tebow and some people claimed he was on par with Orton going into this season. Someone just needs to give him a chance.
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Hill hasn’t exactly played on great teams, but his numbers are substantially better than Quinn’s across the board.
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Quinn has a good arm though
Isn’t that why he was a high draft pick in the first place? Cleveland was just a really dysfunctional team before Holmgren became the team’s president.
A Fair Shake?
I disagree. He’s had plenty of chances. To say he hasn’t gotten a fair shake just isn’t accurate or true. Where has he not gotten a fair shake? The job was his to lose in Cleveland, and he did. He obviously didn’t play well enough in Denver to get any more opportunity. He barely has a 50% career accuracy percentage. His career QB rating is 66.8. He has almost as many career picks as TDs. I think he was always overrated and just plain doesn’t have the right mental aptitude/mindset. He has the physical tools, but not the mental. With the Jets not having any better QB coach than they do, there’s little to no chance he’d get any better with the Jets.
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In his one mostly full season
He had a 67.2 QB rating, which was 25 points better then Derek Anderson. The same Derek Anderson who was then signed to become a starter in Arizona.
That Browns team was so bad that:
Jerome Harrison, an RB, lead the team in Receptions.
Mohamed Massaquoi lead the team in receiving yards with 624
They had 2000 yards on the ground compared to 2200 through the air
The team was coached by Eric Mangini
What was he going to do when the team had no one to catch the ball?
Look, I didn’t follow the team or see any footage of Quinn from the time he was in Cleveland. But I just think the kid has some talent and could do something on a decent team. Hell, it’s not like Colt McCoy’s been that much better, in his two seasons as starter his QB ratings been 74 with 20 TDs Vs 20 INTs.
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I've Seen Him Play
He makes bad decisions and isn’t accurate. It doesn’t matter how good or how bad your receivers are when you can’t throw it where they can catch it. With a very good QB coach, he might improve, but as we all know, the Jets don’t have even a decent QB coach, so the chances of his developing with the Jets are slim and none. If the Jets hope to have any kind of a solid backup QB, he already has to know how to play when he comes here.
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How so...
…. The intangibles like bad teams and poor coaching must be considered.
I'd like to avoid him but it's a notable step up from Brunell so w/e
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I like him
He is probably the best backup out there right now he could start for you in a pinch too him and Jason Campbell would do nicely
I think if we are trying to be prudent with our cap $$$‘s then this is a safe and quality insurance pick up. He’s ideal that you aren’t paying top end $$$‘s for him so you can divert that money to other positions of need. As JohnB. has noted in his post HIll is statistically strong and the fact he is basically "turn-over " free is ideal. Most 2nd strings aren’t. While I’m on record here for saying I’d like to see Jason Campbell wearing the Jets Green & White next season. I do understand the monetary limitations we are faced with. So I’ll go with a thumbs up here until JohnB. unearths another candidate that dislodges this Hill.
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Good Post
I agree.
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If Brady, Campbell, and Garrard is off the market i would entertain this option
bleed green and white
by greenandwhite4ever on Feb 5, 2012 7:32 AM EST reply actions
Brady?
Your not even being funny, unless it’s not the Brady I’m thinking of. If the Jets added Brady I’d stop watching, I swear.
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shaun hill is not so bad but not the answer...
I dont think he is really the answer but if you look at how he performed in detroit when stafford went down he had very good numbers. He also played well in san fran. I think we can do better but I have a soft spot for hill because I won my fantasy football league with him at QB somehow a few years ago.
I have a soft spot for him too. But it’s because he’s better than our starter.
by nationalist88 on Feb 5, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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Depends on what you want
- A very cheap backup for a few plays or a game or two – should Sanchez be banged up.
A guy that gives us a chance to win by handing off and not getting picked.
#two – Someone to push Sanchez or even step in and take the starter job if Sanchez continues to regress.
Option #1 yes to Hill, #2 No.
Personally I prefer the back up Sanchez route with someone very cheap – with McElroy as the long shot to be the diamond in the rough that emerges as a very good QB.
We have seen enough to tantalize but not nearly enough to think of hm as anything more than a #3 QB
On the other hand, I could be convinced to blow up everything and bring in Peyton and trade Sanchez for a 3-5th rounder to clear cap.
But please – no in between type QB who is probably no better than Sanchez but good enough to create a QB controversy.
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news
But unless they sign someone as bad as Brunnell, there is going to be a QB controversy
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