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2012 Wish List: Take 2

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With the Super Bowl on the horizon, the 2011 season can finally end. I am sure many of us will be watching with a permanent bitter beer face. Once the game is over, we can begin our 2012 campaign. By the time August comes around, we will be looking at a brand new Jets team. I am very curious as to what it's going to look like, and how are they going to play together.

Star-divide

Players Cut:

  1. Vladimir Ducasse
  2. Eric Smith
  3. Jeff Cumberland
  4. Matthew Mulligan
  5. Wayne Hunter
  6. TJ Conley

Our Free Agent Signings:

  1. Sione Pouha
  2. Robert Turner
  3. Brodney Pool
  4. Donald Strickland
  5. Aaron Maybin
  6. Marquice Cole
  7. Patrick Turner

Free Agent Signings:

  1. OT Geoff Schwartz
  2. FS Dwight Lowery
  3. QB David Garrard
  4. TE Joel Dreessen
  5. S Haruki Nakamura
  6. K Rian Lindell
  7. P Dave Zastudil
  8. WR Mario Manningham

Draft:

1. Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE/DT, South Carolina
2. Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
3. Audie Cole, ILB, N.C. State
4. George Iloka, S, Boise State
5. Gerell Robinson, WR, Arizona State
5. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, Callifornia
6. Adrian Robinson, OLB/DE, Temple
6. T.J. Graham, WR, N.C. State
7. Lance Dunbar, RB, North Texas
7. Hebron Fangupo, NT, BYU
7. DC Jefferson, TE, Rutgers

2012 53 Man Depth Chart

Offense
QB Mark Sanchez, David Garrard, Greg McElroy
RB Shonn Green, Doug Martin, Joe McKnight, Lance Dunbar
FB John Conner, Josh Baker
TE Dustin Keller, Joel Dreessen, DC Jefferson
WR Santonio Holmes, Mario Manningham, Jeremy Kerley, Gerell Robinson, Patrick Turner
OT D'Brickashaw Ferguguson, Geoff Schwartz, Mitchell Schwartz (Brothers)
OG Matt Slauson, Brandon Moore, Caleb Schlauderaff
C Nick Mangold, Robert Turner

Defense
DE Muhammed Wilkerson, Mike DeVito, Ropati Pitoitua, Marcus Dixon
NT Sione Pouha, Kenrick Ellis, Martin Tevaseu
OLB Calvin Pace, Melvin Ingram, Aaron Maybin, Adrian Robinson
ILB Bart Scott, David Harris, Audie Cole, Josh Mauga
CB Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Donald Strictland, Marquice Cole, Isaiah Trufant
SS Brodney Pool, Haruki Nakamura
FS Dwight Lowery, George Iloka

Special Teams
P Dave Zastudil
K Rian Lindell
LS Tanner Pardum

Our biggest holes are OLB/DE, FS, SS, WR, RB, RT, P, ILB, K. If our offseason looked like this; I believe we will be in good shape going into the 2012 season. I added compensatory picks to the mix.

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I don’t see us cutting Ducasse (they’ll probably give him one full offseason to see if he can get it together) or Cumberland (who showed a lot of potential before he went down last year, and may wind up being our starter if we trade Keller). I agree with the other cuts and would be surprised if they don’t happen.

by Jake Dawson on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

I hope the Jets do with Vlad what we saw them do with Kellen Clemens on Hard Knocks. Bring him in, and lay it out for him. Take a pay cut, or be cut.

Cumberland has a lot of potential, but it’s uncertain how he will recover from this injury. As a skill player, he might be hampered a little bit.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

per nyjetscap

it would actually cost the jets $168k to cut ducasse (and he’s only making $700k so it’d be ridiculous to ask him to take a paycut and cumberland is making $500k. why cut cheap young talent?

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

I think Martin would be the perfect compliment to Greene.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually don't like Doug Martin

If we draft an RB in the second round why not LaMichael James. One of the most explosive players in college and would be like having another receiver on the field.

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Feb 3, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't like James

The dude left college early because he didn’t think he could take another year of college hits. What does he expect from the Pros?

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 4, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

I see more Ray Rice, Low center of Gravity, hard runner inside and outside. Breaks a lot of tackles for a back his size. Doesn’t have the long speed but consistently breaks long runs.

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Feb 3, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

keep cumberland

if your signing a new punter , you need to add the old 1 to your cut list , just a heads up

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by tinley24 on Feb 3, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I thought TJ Conley was a free agent for some reason.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to be that obnoxious stickler who points out Mulligan is a free agent and wouldn’t need to be cut. :-)

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by John B on Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

He is an exclusive right guy, right?

Cutting him sounds more fitting. Not resigning him doesn’t sound mean enough.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Bro Namath on Feb 3, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

What are we gonna cut him with?

I say we chase him out of the building with a chainsaw. Or we get a guy in a wheelchair to throw wrenches at him

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by Noble_Lance on Feb 3, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think we’d probably have to trade up once or twice in mid rounds of the Draft. It’s unlikely 11 rookies would make the team.

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by John B on Feb 3, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

why is it that you think we should cut cumberland and ducasse

when both are young, cheap unproven talent. granted ducasse hasnt panned out, but to write him off now as having no shot at panning out when he was raw coming out of college and then had no offseason with coaching last season as for cumberland, i have not the faintest idea why we’d cut him

also, geoff schwartz is listed as a guard and missed the entire 2011 campaign. why do you think he is the answ at RT? and i dont really think it’d be a good idea to start out next yr w/ haruki nakamura, iloka and lowery as our new additions at safety. that basically would improve the position minimally at best

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

No one wants to see Vlad in a game. No one has any confidence in this guy. He is a waist of a roster spot. I would rather eat the money and give his spot to someone who deserves it.

Cumberland has a lot of promise, but he was unproven before his injury, and I don’t see him coming back right away from this injury and picking up where he left off.

Geoff Schwartz missed all of last year, but the year before was an outstanding right tackle for the Panthers.

There is a very good chance Sanchez won’t make it through 2012 as our starter. I think putting our money in the most important position on the field would be a good choice.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s not true, I do like seeing him out there. When they have him run blocking, man, he is a BEAST.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Feb 3, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

With Robert Turner coming back, the extra lineman in the jumbo packages will go back to him.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You Don't Know That

or has Sparano been speaking with you? Come on, guy, you’re smarter and better than this. Ducasse is a much better run blocker than Turner. Where Ducasse struggles is in pass protection, picking up blitzes, and picking up the complex system that BS and Callahan had in place.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright, that was bit presumptuous on my part

I just remember back to how dominant our jumbo packages used to be with him in there.

I personally don’t see Vlad panning out, even with an offseason, as a pass blocker. His only use then, would be in jumbo packages. A whole roster spot just for that is a lot.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

and what is caleb schlauderhoff's spot for?

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He would be a legitimate backup at guard

I I don’t look at Vlad as a legitimate backup at any position.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

vlad at least can run block

which means he has at least one positive as opposed to schlauderhoff who’s a scrub

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know much about Shlauderhoff other than that Rex and Tanny really like him as a developmental guy.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That I Agree With

If Vlad is not able to function as a pass blocker, then he needs to go. It would be foolish to keep him just for jumbo packages. I think he’ll pan out, however. I think Callahan was overrated as an OL coach.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the thing though

If we give Vlad another shot this year, and he doesn’t pan out. What happens if there is an injury, and he needs to come in. It’s a big risk if he is our depth. To have another OT also would take a roster spot away from another position and from a player that is probably more skilled.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I Think There Should Be More Than 2 Backup OL Anyway

IMO, just Turner and a backup OT aren’t enough. I think they need to keep another OL anyway, either an OG or OG/OT combo.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I threw in our developmental OG Caleb Schlauderaff as our 8th lineman. Anymore than 8 on the 53 man roster, would be a bit much IMO.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 4, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

again

granted you dont like seeing ducasse in a game but why not give him a shot w/ offseason coaching. when he was drafted it was understood that he was quite raw and needed lots of coaching. then in his 2nd offseason, there’s a lockout and he gets no coaching. i’m not saying we should start him this season at RT, but why get rid of him? he definitely has lots of physical talent, why not let us see whether we can get anything out of him….you honestly want caleb schlauderhoff instead of him???

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not True At All

No doubt there are some Jets fans who don’t want to see him in a game, but to say that “no one” wants to see him out there is patently untrue.

So because it may take him a little bit to recover, you’re just going to cut a promising and very talented young player. I’ll repeat this makes no sense. In fact, I’ll go further. That ’s just plain screwy logic and dumb imo.

If you really think that about QB, then you wouldn’t be for signing Garrard. He’s gotten worse over the last 3 years and he’s 2-3 years older than Campbell. Signing Garrard would be about the worst possible move they could make imo.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd be o.k with your defence

but there isn’t much change for the better on offence .
why not give Garrard money to Griffin and have a top safety instead of a top backup ?
why draft 2 RB’s and cut powell ( who would cost cap to get rid of ) without giving powell a chance to improve like the way mcknight did from year 1 to year 2 ?
i also think we could get better players at wr and our o line than what you have . i don’t see much improvement in those spots if i’m honest. i think that because you only fill 1 on major hole with our top 3 picks is also a bit disapointing

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by tinley24 on Feb 3, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

you're 100% right

our offense would be an absolute disaster if it looked like this

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I see a sizable improvement on offense. Geoff was a good RT before his injury this year. He would be a big improvement at RT.

Martin is a very dynamic RB. He runs with authority and speed. He blocks downfield and for his QB. He makes catches out of the backfield all the time. He is the perfect compliment to Greene.

We get younger and taller at WR. Robinson is also a high character guy, that will bring a lot of stability and talent to our WR corp.

There is a very good chance Sanchez won’t make it through 2012 as our starter. I think putting our money in the most important position on the field would be a good choice.

Dreessen is a TE that can both catch and block. We don’t have anyone like that right now.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

we wouldnt have a #2 or #4 wr

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a very good chance Sanchez won’t make it through 2012 as our starter

is that because of injury or performance ?
i still think we get the best available safety we can tru FA and pick up as cheap a QB as possible , someone who would be a decent game manager . Garrard is never gonna be here for more than 1 or 2 years anyway so why not invest the money on a player who can be our safety for 4 or 5 years ?
why not get a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft hat could push sanchez ? its sounds like you see our back up QB as more of a need than drafting Cole . this would cost us a lot less

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by tinley24 on Feb 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez, I'm being torn apart here... but it's good

Sanchez is a tough kid. I would take a lot to knock him out because of injury. If he doesn’t make it though next year, it will be because of performance. You might be right. Spending more on a top flight safety would make more of an immediate difference than a potential QB replacement. Garrard might be done, but I think Campbell will be well out of our price range.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not trying to tear you apart

i’m just not a fan of spending our very limited on a back up QB over a quality safety . if our defence can stop TE’s then we have the no 1 defence in the league . Griffen helps solve that problem for a few years .
Garrard is no more than a $5m stopgap that would still leave us with a hole to fill next year

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by tinley24 on Feb 3, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's Not Personal

Even though I may strongly and vociferously disagree with some of your ideas, it’s not personal as far as I’m concerned. That’s the thing about putting our opinions “out there.” There are always gonna be people that disagree with you and rip your opinions apart. I’ve been getting raked over the coals in my Tanny Draft Analysis thread. It goes with the territory. We’re all passionate and love our team. We disagree about what the best ways are to get our team to the next level, but we all want the same thing. I respect your passion, creative thinking and willingness to put your opinions out there. Not everyone will post because they don’t want their opinions strongly disagreed with. Hang in there and keep throwing your ideas out there.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not taking anything personally

This is all really good feed back. I really appreciate it, and will use it in my next version. I probably won’t come down on the amount of free agents I put down for us to pick up, since I want to fill every need, even if it’s not really realistic to fill them all.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 4, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

You do say that it’s your “wish” list. Carry on. I’ll look forward to seeing your next version.

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by joeklecko on Feb 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I also didn’t say we should cut Powell. I want him to compete for that last RB spot on the 53 man roster. I think he will be put on the practice squad to develop more.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to keep cumberland, Have a better #2 WR

Other then that its good. Thats just my opinion though

by JetMet on Feb 3, 2012 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Alright, people seem to not like the offense I have thrown out there.

I’ll make a small change. I’ll add Maningham

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

would we have the money for that?

braylon would definitely be cheaper imo……

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I went cheap at a few positions to possibly leave us the room to add one more guy like Maningham

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I was trying to fill all our needs without having to break the bank for any position.

I don’t know what our cap situation will be like, so not going big in free agency might be a reality. Plus, I would rather get a lot of cheaper solid guys to fill needs, than go all out at one position, and having to setter for a Wayne Hunter somewhere else.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally Unrealistic But Interesting

I don’t know where to begin. I guess I’ll start with the positive. I absolutely LOVE the first five rounds of your draft. I’d take that any day, although I would prefer the double dip at OLB to be higher than the 6th round. If McClellin is there in the 6th (though he probably won’ be), I’d take him over Robinson. I don’t pretend to know anything about the players you mentioned in rounds 6-7.

I’m afraid it’s all downhill after that, however. There is absolutely no way under the sun that the Jets will be able to sign that many FAs this offseason, especially if they sign Garrard (which I think would be a big mistake). I think Garrard is done. I’d rather have Kellen Clemens back than Garrard, and I think Clemens is pretty bad. Where do you think they’re gonna get all that cap room?

Also, I disagree with some of your cuts and retaining of our own FAs. Ducasse should not be cut. He had no offseason last year, and if any player in the NFL needed it, it was Ducasse. The Jets have switched to a simpler man blocking OL style this offseason and will have a simpler offense. Just when it appears the Jets may finally be able to get something out of him you want to get rid of him? That makes no sense imo. He may not develop, but teams can’t afford to waste 2nd round picks. At the very least, he should be given until the end of TC to see if he can contribute in any meanginful way. If not, then cut him, but to cut him now would be not very smart imo. They have to give him every opportunity to succeed.

Similarly, why cut Cumberland? He was starting to contribute last season when he got hurt. He has great size, hands and speed. He is a player that could take over Keller’s role, be cheaper and quite possibly better. He has a very high ceiling. This makes no sense.

The re-signing I have a problem with is Pool. I think he’s awful and his lack of hustle/effort should have him not coming back, if nothing else to send a signal to the team that this type of thing will not be tolerated. They can’t send that message with Holmes, but they can with Pool. The ONLY reason I would bring Pool back is if the Jets can’t sign a FA S or two. I’d bring back Eric Smith any day of the week and twice on Sunday before I would Pool. At least Smith contributes vs the run and I think on STs. Pool contributes nothing.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

i agree regarding smith vs pool

smith i think should be brought bac but at cheaper and shouldnt start. he’s very good on ST and if he is given less responsibilities on defense (i.e. occasional safetybacker agains the run) and isnt asked to cover TE’s i think he’ll be fine

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, I don’t believe Vlad will develop into even a decent pass blocker. Then all he is good for is a run blocker in jumbo packages. A whole roster spot just for that is a lot.

I loved Cumberland going into this year, and was very sad to see him go down for the year. His injury is one that is very hard to come back from. The task is even more daunting by the fact that he plays a skill position. I don’t think he will come back and be able to take off from where he was before the injury.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

why cut them though before you see whether they can pan out

granted vlad may not indeed develop, but for all you know w/ some coaching he will. w/ regards to cumberland, you have absolutely no idea how he’ll be coming back from injury. it cant hurt to keep him. at least he has potential and isnt a complete scrub

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know for sure how CUmberland is going to recover

I am just throwing in what I know about a torn Achilles. It’s a very hard injury to come back from if you play a skill position. I agree though, there is potential there.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

It’s easier to come back from an Achilles injury for a skill player than it is for an OL or DL. They put a lot more strain on their Achilles than skill position players do.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I would think having to make cuts would be harder.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I Could Be Wrong

but that’s what some doctors said who posted on another Jets site I used to post on. Think about it. Usually when a player is making a cut, he doesn’t have another player hitting him or pushing back against him. Linemen go full force at each other and are on the balls of their feet trying to hold ground or push their opponent back. That puts a lot of strain on their Achilles and joints.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That makes perfect sense also. I can just picture the tendon being weak, and more susceptible to re-injury with a violent cut while running. Either way, I want Cumberland back if he can make a full recovery and pick up where he left off.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

not bad really

i like Ingram at #1 and i like Martin but i think we should go for a Safety at 2 or trade back into the first for Barron if he starts to fall into the mid 20’s but ONLY if he falls otherwise just take a S in the 2nd. RB isn’t really our biggest need so i think we can afford to pass until maybe the 5th or 6th round.

i like Gerell Robinson late, but another prospect people are forgetting about is Ryan Broyles WR from Oklahoma. he hurt his knee during the season so he missed most of the year but i think hes going to be pretty good in the NFL, and will fall from his injury.

the way i see it the first 3 picks should be OLB S and OT

by np3 on Feb 3, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

This is my view what should happen!!!

Take V. Ducasse and J. Cumberland off the list of being cut.

Keep Pool. Cut Smith and let Leonard walk. Draft M .Barron, sign D. Lowery and M. Griffin. Griffin immediately start. Barron and Lowery compete for the other starting job. Pool backup only.

Draft Order: 1. M. Barron (S) 2. Z Sander (OT), 3. T. Streeter (WR), 4. B. Irvin or T. Manning (OLB), 5. J. Franklin (ILB), 6 D. Fleming (OLB) , 7. A. Thomas (RB).

Draft those players in that order if they are available and we should be set

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by oneg82 on Feb 3, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

zebrie sanders was supposedly dreadful at the senior bowl

i’m scared of drafting the guy, especially that high

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by dabu7 on Feb 3, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He might be a reach

but I think he will be ok for a second rounder.

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by oneg82 on Feb 3, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

no to zeb

he was thrown around like a rag doll at the senior bowl . i liked him because of his versatility but he now ranks lower than hunter in my eyes

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by tinley24 on Feb 3, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Barron at 16 is still a big reach, but if we trade down, then maybe. Sanders was absolutely horrible at the Senior Bowl. His stock is falling fast and hard. If Streeter has a good combine, he will be a 2nd rounder for sure. The same goes for Irvin. A lot of teams hold Irvin in high regards.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If he make it to us

We have to take him because then because TE is the NOW position and someone will take him quick after our pick.

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by oneg82 on Feb 3, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

but if that’s the Jets’ draft, then imo Tanny should be fired immediately following the draft. That’s just awful.

That would be a huge reach for Barron at #16.
Sanders was dreadful at the Senior Bowl. He was beaten like a drum. No thanks.

I wouldn’t touch Streeter before the 5th round. There are a LOT of WRs in the draft with more potential and who are more NFL ready than Streeter. He’s a project. No way.

I’m not sure either Irvin or Manning makes it to the 4th round, but if either does, that would be a good pick, but OLB needs to be addressed way earlier than the 4th round. IMO your priorities are totally skewed.

I don’t know the last 3 players you mention. I like the double dip at OLB, but in the 4th and 6th rounds why even bother? That’s saying it isn’t a need. You obviously don’t understand the problems with the team’s defense. Why draft Thomas when they have Powell? They’d be better off taking an OG or another S prospect.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I am started to be more intrigued by this dinner Woody is having next week with Sanchez.

If, as I’m starting to suspect, it is going to involve telling Mark he needs to take a pay cut/renegotiate his contract, then how Sanchez responds to that is going to go a long way toward determining how our off season shapes up. I think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than we might imagine. Just think back a few weeks to when Rex and Tanny were saying how Scotty was going to be back unless he got a HC gig. The same could be happening here, despite all the public posturing from Rex that Sanchez is the starting QB as long as he’s the coach. The Jets FO knows Sanchez is not worth the money he is going to be paid next year, and so does Sanchez, if he has half a brain.. If we free up another 4-5 million in cap space on top of the 12 million or so I think we are already going to have,

by Traveling Man on Feb 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

If Woody is getting voval and visible with Sanchez and Rex...

…I think he, Tanny, and Rex have already decided their strategy to free up cap space and go after Peyton. See my post above about Woody’s dinner next week. I’m not saying this is the right move and frankly I don’t agree with freeing up space for Peyton. I agree with freeing up the space to get more young talent and to improve the overall speed. But I think the lesson our big three may have taken from this season is that an elite QB can carry a team farther than it has any right to go, even if it has a porous defense. Their thinking may be that the defense with a few tweaks is a lot better than Green Bay’s or New England’s, and look at what they did this year. Adding a RT along with a healthy Peyton may be enough to get a Super Bowl with the talent on offense. That’s not the right way to go, but it wouldn’t surprise me if we see them going down this path in the next few months.

by Traveling Man on Feb 3, 2012 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

No sense in cutting Ducasse

He was taken as a project and missed an off season of development. No one knows if he’ll ever be decent, but cutting him now is selling low.

by Evan_S on Feb 3, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

you shouldn't see them as criticisms

people just have different ideas is all .. i like these last 2 parts and the ideas are original which make for great debate . if you put up a list of all stars as our roster next year , people would still complain lol

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by tinley24 on Feb 3, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

keep cumberland

i would keep cumberland,shows promise as a pass catcher and he really costs the team nothing in salary,keep eric smith as a special teamer hes very effective in that role.and ducasse i give him one more year. piouha wont be back, the jets will not break the bank for a 33 yr old.

by michael224a on Feb 3, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

If Cumberland can come back from his injury and take over where he left off, then I would love to have him back.
Pouha is a young 33 year old. He doesn’t have as much wear and tear as must 33 year olds. With that said, a deal can be made. He is also a huge leader on that line, so I don’t think we can afford to lose his leadership.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 3, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The only two things I disagree with are cutting Ducasse, because I believe he should get one more year, and spending such a high draft pick on an RB. I really think Sparano is going to give McKnight a chance this year. We shouldn’t be thinking about a #2 RB until we know how McKnight is going to develop, and our sample size is too small right now. I can see them taking Barron in the first round, and then an OLB in the 2nd.

by cstroh8 on Feb 3, 2012 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

really good, just don’t agree with cutting cumberland. he showed potential for us

by ILOVETHEJETS on Feb 3, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

Keep Ducasse... hopefully he can straighten out.

Braylon Edwards is a must sign IMO…. I think leonhard should be re-signed if he’s healthy.

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by jets4life24 on Feb 3, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

I honestly believe that if Garrard is healthy he would win the starting job over Sanchez.

I also think guys like Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb could too.

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by bitterlyhonest on Feb 3, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

i respectfully disagree

he’ll be 34 by the time next season rolls around, and he apparently played so poorly in preseason and camp that Luke Mccown outplayed him, resulting in his release. Also I think the coaches would have some bias in a competition like that anyway, they wouldn’t wanna bench Sanchez.

by darshv3 on Feb 3, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

No Way That McNabb Could

McNabb is and has always been mediocre. Rush Limbaugh was right about him. I think Campbell could beat out Sanchez, but not Garrard.

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by joeklecko on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

trade eric smith and wayne hunter for lamar holmes and alibert h
two fat guys [dusses and abert h ] will make pakes out of jets ’s 2012 oppents

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by Rod Messley on Feb 3, 2012 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

If we drafted your 1-5 i would be a happy camper. I don’t think we’re cutting vlad this year. We’re not going to waste a 2nd rounder due to a rough season without an off season. It’s not enough in my opinion to label him a bust yet.

I don’t think we should get rid of Cumberland yet either. He was looking pretty good before his injury and especially if we’re possibly shopping around Keller.. Cumberland might just be his up coming clone which I’d be ok with personally. I’d let Pool go… haters can hate but I’d like Leonhard back. And I don’t want to see Eric Smith in Green and White anymore.

Also… personally.. I don’t like Donald Strickland… I hope we don’t bring him back. I don’t have any strong ideas on who I’d rather have back there but there’s gotta be someone better than Strickland. I’d like some more thoughts around him here.

As far as QB.. we’re going to look into Manning which i really don’t think we’ll do much more than “look into” and then we’ll probably turn our attention to someone like Brady Quinn. I just don’t see Campbell or Garrard even wanting to play for us, plus I don’t think we’ll want to pay them the kinda oney they’ll ask and frankly I don’t want any of them. And I think we’ll probably stick with McElroy as the third stringer. He didn’t look too bad in the preseason before his injury.

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by Tamarack on Feb 4, 2012 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

Strickland

didn’t play nearly as well for the Jets in 2011 as he did in 2009. I have no idea who the Jets could replace him with. Maybe Cole will be ready to see more on the field time. Perhaps if they bring Lowery back he could function as the de facto 4th CB if he’s not starting, but rather the #2 FS. That could save a roster spot.

I agree regarding Manning. I really don’t think the Jets can afford Campbell or Garrard either. Hopefully O’ Connell won’t be back. They’ll probably go the cheapest route or draft a QB in the middle to lower rounds, make him the #3 and move McElroy up to the #2 spot.

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by joeklecko on Feb 4, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That's really interesting

I think if McElroy was healthy, there would have been a lot of clamoring for him to get a few snaps in a real game. I was looking for a suitable backup in free agency, but why spend all that money when we aleady have a young talent to push Sanchez.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 4, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

McElroy has a Chad-like arm

give or take. That’s why he was a seventh round pick.

by darshv3 on Feb 4, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

True

but if Sanchez goes down for any length of time early in the season, the season’s probably over anyway. The D will keep the team competitive, but unless the Jets have Campbell or Orton backing Chad up or perhaps draft Weeden, they probably would not make the playoffs. If Sanchez got hurt later in the season, then perhaps the Jets could still do something in the playoffs with Campbell, or Orton, or even Weeden (he’s a heck of a lot better than TJ Yates).

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by joeklecko on Feb 4, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

For Part 3

I plan on having a more realistic free agency period next time around. I have done some preliminary cap analyzing, and if we can get at least 15 Million under the cap, we could have a decent free agency period.

McElroy does have that popgun arm, but he is a competitor. He has the heart and drive to be a starting QB. There has to be a way to increase his arm strength a little, no? I have also heard numerous times that he has picked up this offense very quickly. Of course that might mean as much since we have a whole new offensive coordinator.

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by GangGreenMag on Feb 4, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I Don't See It Happening

$15 million under the cap isn’t going to happen imo. That’s just too optimistic. I think a more realistic figure might be around $8 – $10 million, and even that may be too high. Once current Jets FAs are re-signed and money allocated for the draft choices, they may only have in the neighborhood of $4- $5 million to spend.

No, arm strength can’t be increased that much, at least in terms of throwing the ball. One can add more muscle bulk, but that isn’t what determines arm strength.

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