Draft By Draft Analysis of Mike Tannenbaum - Pt. 3, 2008
Actually, I guess the title should read something like, "Off Season By Off season Analysis of Mike Tannenbaum" since I'm also including FA and trades. I can see by reactions so far that I've struck a nerve with a lot of posters. I've been accused or rewriting history, cherry picking stars, and sinking the Titanic, er, no wait, not the last thing. Anyway, as I said when I began this series, I actually thought the 2006 draft was probably Tanny's best, and the 2007 draft was very good because of Revis and Harris. Some posters have twisted my words and claimed that I was saying that Tanny was awful and those two drafts were bad. Never said those things. My initial premise was that Tanny started out strong, but has been going downhill since. In researching those posts, I discovered that is indeed true, but that both the 2006 and 2007 off seasons could have been better, and would have had the Jets in a much better place now if Tanny had done some things differently. Anyway, on to 2008 after the jump.
2008 Off Season
FA: In 2006, Tanny got rid of a lot of dead wood, and brought in a number of cheaper, 2nd tier FAs to address some needs and holes, and had a good draft. His philosophy seemed to be building the team through the draft and supplementing with cheaper FAs. I liked that approach. In 2007, Tanny again cleared the roster of some dead wood, and with the exception of the trade for Thomas Jones, signed cheaper, lower-tier FAs.
In 2008 Tanny again got rid of some dead wood, allowing Erik Coleman, Sean Ryan, Anthony Clement, Andre Dyson, Justin McCareins and Chad Pennington to sign elsewhere as FAs. This offseason seemed to signal a shift in Tanny's philosophy from building primarily through the draft to the "win now" mode, however as he went wild signing big ticket older FAs and trading draft picks for older veterans. On Feb. 29 he signed Alan Faneca to a 5-year, $40 million deal. Around March 3, he signed Calvin Pace to a six-year $42 million deal and Damien Woody to a 5-year $25.5 million deal. Faneca was on the downside of his career and was overpaid, but the Jets weren't garnering a whole lot of respect at that time, and they probably had to over pay to get Faneca to come to NY. That gave the team some instant credibility. They also grossly overpaid Pace. It was a head scratcher when the Cardinals reached for Pace with the 18th pick in the first round of the 2003 draft. Between 2003 and 2006, Pace had all of 7.5 sacks. In 2007 he had 6.5 and the Jets were desperate for a pass rushing OLB. Woody had never lived up to his potential and had played several different positions on the OL. He started out at C for NE, then moved to LG his last year there. He then moved to Detroit, where he was primarily a RG, but played RT his last season in Detroit. Again, NY had to overpay to get Woody, but he did an excellent job at RT for the Jets. While Faneca played very well in the rushing attack, his play started tailing off pretty quickly and he became a liabilty as a pass blocker. Woody wound up being the best of the FA moves. While they helped improve the team and it was an attempt to try to salvage Mangini's job, it basically failed. I think the team would have been better served by signing some cheaper, younger FAs who could have stayed and contributed longer. Again, the team might not have some of the holes it has now had they gone that route.
Those moves weren't the end, however. The Jets also signed FB Tony Richardson, CBs Ty Law and Andre Woolfolk, RB Jesse Chatman, TE Bubba Franks, and then acquired QB Brett Favre during TC. After Chad was allowed to sign with Miami, many thought Clemens should get an opportunity to be the Jets QB. It was not to be.
Trades: In the first days of FA, the Jets traded their 3rd and 5th round picks to the Carolina Panthers for Kris Jenkins to address their porous run defense which had been 29th in the NFL in 2006. They also traded LB Jonathan Vilma to the Saints for the Saints 4th round pick in 2008 and an undisclosed draft pick in 2009. I think that wound up being a 4th or 3rd round pick in the 2009 draft, but am not certain about that. The Jets also traded DT Dewayne Robertson to the Denver Broncos for a bag of used jocks and half a can of shaving cream (a conditional pick in the 2009 draft, which I think wound up being nothing). They traded a conditional 4th round pick in the 2009 draft for Brett Favre. Jenkins was a great acquisition, but alas, couldn't stay healthy and on the field for the Jets. It was great just to get Robertson off the team. The Jets got fleeced by the Saints in the Vilma deal, but I think they shot themselves in the foot with the way they handled the situation. Everyone knew they weren't happy with Vilma and didn't see him as a fit, so they weren't able to get more for him. Lots of people were happy to see the trade for Favre. I wasn't. At one time, Favre was my favorite NFL player, but by that point in time, I had come to despise him. That's a story for another day, however. The Jets were going all in to win in 2008 and weren't going to get it done with Kellen Clemens at QB. This is where not having Schaub or Garcia as the QB really started biting them in the butt imo.
Draft: Vernon Gholston (1st), Dustin Keller (1st), Dwight Lowery (4th), Erik Ainge (5th), Marcus Henry (6th), Nate Garner (7th)
The Jets were still in search of that stud pass rusher. Vernon Gholston was the consensus best OLB prospect in the draft, but a number of Jets fans (including me) were afraid of him. He seemed soft and was all but invisible in the National Championship game. Tanny rolled the dice, however and took him at #6 in the first round. The Jets traded their 2nd round pick (#36) and the 4th round pick they obtained from the Saints (#116) to Green Bay in order to move up to the #30 pick of the first round to grab Dustin Keller. Their 3rd and 5th round picks went to Carolina for Kris Jenkins. I liked the fact at the time that Tanny added a QB, and Ainge had pretty good blood lines, had played in the SE conference, and had good size and a pretty good arm. I also liked the fact that Tanny sought to add depth at the WR and OT positions. I wasn't happy that he traded up for Keller, but was happy that he didn't trade up for Chris Long or Darren McFadden as many Jets fans wanted him to, and a number of "experts" thought he would do.
What they left on the table:
Players they bypassed in taking Gholston: I think reasonable possibilities were Derrick Harvey (some thought he might be able to be an OLB prospect), Keith Rivers (OLB prospect), Jerod Mayo (ILB), Ryan Clady (less likely as a 1st rounder needs to start, but still possible as insurance for or eventual replacement for Woody), Jonathan Stewart (replacement for Jones), Brandon Albert (eventual replacement for Faneca or Moore), Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (upgrade of Barrett),
In terms of starting needs, the only big need outside of a pass rushing OLB was S. At S, they had Abram Elam (3rd year), James Ihedigbo (2nd year), Eric Smith (3rd year) and JR Reed (5th year). On the OL they had Ferguson, Faneca, Mangold, Moore, Woody and Turner. Both Faneca and Woody were older and would need replacing sooner rather than later.
At QB they had Brett Favre, but they knew he was a short term rental for only a couple of years at most. They had taken Clemens in the 2006 draft. They added Ainge later, but possibly could have taken another QB higher as a value pick to insure that they'd have a successor to Favre if Clemens faltered. If nothing else they could use one as the backup or trade one of them for a good pick in a successive draft. At WR they had Coles, Cotchery, Brad Smith, Chansi Stuckey, David Clowney, Wallace Wright and added Henry. The group could have been better and deeper, but at the time, I think most thought the WR group was pretty good. At TE they had Bubba Franks who had played with Favre in GB, Chris Baker, and Dustin Keller. At RB, they had Thomas Jones, Jesse Chatman, Leon Washington, and Tony Richardson. On the DL they had Shaun Ellis, Kenyon Coleman, and Mike Devito at DE and Kris Jenkins, Sione Pouha, and CJ Moseley. They could have perhaps gone for an upgrade at Coleman's spot, but I think liked Devito. At ILB they had David Harris, Eric Barton, Jason Trusnik. and David Bowens, who I think played both on the inside and outside. At OLB they had Gholston, Pace, Bryan Thomas, Cody Spencer, and Marques Murrell (he may have been an OLB). They could have looked to upgrade the depth at ILB. At CB they had Revis, David Barrett, Ty Law, Ahmad Carroll, Hank Poteat, Drew Coleman and Dwight Lowery. They could have perhaps looked to upgrade the 2nd CB spot opposite Revis (Barrett), but think they were pretty confident with that group of CBs.
Thus with a stud pass rusher seemingly being the only major missing piece, I think they felt they had to go with Gholston. There weren't many other good OLB prospects in that draft. If they didn't take Gholston, I think their other best choices would have been another QB, a S or BPA.
Players they missed out on in trading up for Keller: Jordy Nelson (tall, fast WR to upgrade WR corps), Curtis Lofton (upgrade ILB - Barton's spot), John Carlson (TE)
Players they missed out on in trading for Kris Jenkins: (3rd rd.) Charles Godfrey (S - I really wanted the Jets to draft him), Jamaal Charles (speedy RB replacement for Jones); (5th rd.) Carl Nicks (OL prospect depth or to replace Woody), Jonathan Goff (ILB depth). I loved the trade for Jenkins at the time, but it was risky. He had played the entire 2006 and 2007 seasons, but had missed most or all of the previous two seasons.
Players they missed out in trading the 4th for Favre: Quintin Demps (decent S prospect), Xavier Adibi (OLB depth), Red Bryant (NT prospect - I was really high on him at the time) They didn't really miss anything with this pick, and getting Favre helped rid the team of Mangini and to Rex.
At the time, the draft seemed pretty good, but looking at it now, it was pretty brutal. Gholston was a bust. Keller has been disappointing. In taking Gholston and trading up for Keller, they missed out on some excellent prospects that could have helped the team at several positions. Jenkins never played a full season for the Jets. Lowery developed, but is no longer on the team. Ainge, Gholston, and I believe Henry are no longer in the NFL. I think Garner is still in the NFL (Miami). The veteran players they traded for (Jenkins and Favre) gave Jets fans some thrills, and the team some respect, but ultimately didn't really help the team. Some of the players they could have drafted with those picks could still be with the team either as starters or as backups. Godfrey would have been a huge boost to their safety corps, and Charles would have given the team a homerun threat on offense.
The biggest problem for me with 2008. is that Tanny forsook building through the draft and went all in for "winning now" with big FA contracts for players who really weren't worth the coin, and trading for older players who only would have been on the team for 2-3 seasons at most.
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This is the draft is the one
that actually got us in the problem we are in now. At the time, there were no talent in this draft except at RB. Ex: Rice, Forte, Hillis, McFadden, C. Johnson, F. Jones,, J. Charles and Etc..
At that time we needed a all around RB. As much I like Leon Washington, I knew he wasn’t going to be the answer because of his small frame. Thomas Jones is tough and quick but terribly slow.
Personally I wanted us to take Ray Rice even though most people would say Chris Johnson. All my friends and family called me crazy about using a high draft pick on a RB but I tried to explain to them how raw he was when I seen him play at Rutgers against USF in 2007. He rushed for over 180 yards.
I almost broke down when they picked Gholston. I was so angry that I didn’t watch the rest of the draft. I told myself that pick was going to come back and haunt us which it did.
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I TOTALLY Disagree
No talent in the draft except at RB? You can’t be serious!!!! You need to go back and look at the players in that draft. RB was the deepest and best position group in the draft, but there were also a lot of good TEs, OL, DBs, WRs, DL and 4-3 LBs.
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Personally I wanted us to take Ray Rice even though most people would say Chris Johnson.
Both would have been considered enormous reaches at 6.
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I know it was a big reach
but sometimes you have to take chances on quality players. Drafting in the first round, you got to take the best on the board instead for drafting for need.
Example, look at how the Texans took Williams instead of Bush and may have worked out for them.
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You cannot compare taking Williams (definitely a top 3-4 prospect in the draft at a premium position) over Bush to taking Ray Rice or CJ at #6
Especially since they are running backs, at that draft alone produced like 7-8 that are really good.
I think there is a lot more to these offseason moves
I think the shift to Favre and the win now philosophy was entirely a product of Woody Johnson trying to sell PSLs and to try to answer the Giants winning the SB the year before. The moves almost paid off until things fell apart due to Favre’s injury and some of the most questionable game planning Ive ever seen.
I know Mangini was never loved in these parts but I personally feel he was the fall guy and if ever there was a year that the offensive staff should’ve been shitcanned, this was the one.
I think this particular offseason looks terrible but it brought in a lot of the players that were key parts to turning around the way this organization was viewed. Many of these players had key roles on the teams that went to the title games.
As far as the Favre move goes, it did what they wanted it to do. It put the Jets on the back pages, it gave them credibility with FAs and it helped sell PSLs. On top of that, it brought us hope. The season didnt end well but it was probably the most exciting one we had in a decade.
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You're Probably Right
that Woody was behind Tanny’s shift in philosophy. It doesn’t really matter whether it was explicit orders from Woody to “win now” and get some marquee players to sell PSLS or more of a generalized pressure to do much better. I’ve never said that Woody Johnson didn’t have any responsibility in this mess.
I had high hopes for Woody when he bought the team, but pretty much lost those when he didn’t have a Plan B for the stadium after the West Side of Manhattan fell through, except to share a stadium with the Giants. I will forever despise him because of that. The Jets remain the sole professional franchise that has NEVER had its own home. Sad, Embarrassing and Pathetic.
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I will always hate the Dolans, they were said to be behind us not getting that stadium
Sorry to Rangers and Knicks fans but I hope they never win another damn thing while Dolan owns the teams. Not that I think they ever will with his dumb ass in charge.
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I thought it was Cablevision putting up the biggest fight against the west side stadium
by Clarke W. Griswald on Feb 3, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Don't the Dolans
own Cablevision. Sheldon Silver, Democrat, and a Republican senator (I think) from upstate NY were both against it and fought it. I can’t remember why those two did, but they did. I remember reading several articles about why it failed. A big reason why it failed is that Woody failed to do lay the political groundwork to get it approved.
A lot of people thought the old raceway in Yonkers would have been a great place for the Jets to build a stadium. Metro North could have built another stop and the highway is right there. Woody evidently didn’t even consider it.
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the defence cost us that year
we were 8-3 and mangini changed to a prevent defence and went away from what was working . yes farve was injured but we still could have won more games if the defence had played more aggressive the last 5 games
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i want jeffery in green at pick 16
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by tinley24 on Feb 3, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cutting C. Pennington and signing Favre I was against because if Joe Montana couldn’t lead the Chiefs to a SB. What makes the F.O believe Favre at an old age can lead us one. I wanted us to keep Pennington and groom Clemens who btw never got a chance to prove himself. Our bad OL in 2007 and 2008 sent QB’s to the hospital. At Clemens held his own when he started a few games in 2007 (see the 2007 Ravens game).
I was totally against us trading J Vilma was the biggest mistake ever.
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I Was a Huge Chad Fan
and was ecstatic when they drafted him in 2000. He plaved at an extremely high level for the team, but once he showed that he was so fragile and couldn’t stay healthy, I knew the team had to move on. He never had a strong arm, but after his first rotator cuff injury, he had no arm strength. There were certain routes opposing Ds knew the Jets would never throw because Chad couldn’t make those thows. They could crowd 8 men in the box and Chad would have to be perfect and the whole offense started falling apart.
I still think the big mistake was not trading for Schaub or signing Garcia as a FA. Both would have helped the team in numerous ways. They would have brought respect to the franchise rather than trying to buy it. Both could still be with the team, but then so could Mangini.
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This article is a lot better IMO than your previous efforts. I think you really hit the head on the nail with this draft. there wasn’t a lot of talent in the top 5 that year of draft prospects and you couldn’t fault the Jets for taking a huge risk with Gholston because that was one need. The only other option was to trade down and get more talent.
I’m just glad we didn’t take Leinhart…. and as for Matt Shaub. If memory serves he got a huge deal with the Texans that year and at that point of his career he was never a starter and had been a career backup.
I recall reading that the Jets did try and trade back but didn't have any takers
Not sure how reliable that info was.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
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Schaub had been a backup, but had started a couple of games for the Falcons. He also played very well in preseason games. The “experts” thought he would be a very good starting QB in the NFL. He was NFL ready and has a much better arm than Sanchez. If he had become the Jets QB of the future, I think the team quite possibly would have already won a SB, maybe two.
The team didn’t have great speed in its starting “playmakers”. Clowney was the only WR with real speed and Leon Washington was the only RB with good speed, and he didn’t get enough touches and wasn’t a starting caliber RB. This would have been the draft to acquire that RB and WR.
If the Jets hadn’t gone all in with “win now” in that draft, they could have loaded up with good young players, and the team would be in great shape right now.
I’m glad they didn’t see Leinart as a better prospect than Clemens, and also glad they didn’t see Flacco as the answer, either, although he might have been better than Sanchez.
There were a lot of good players taken between #6 and #20. The only three of that lot that I wouldn’t have wanted the Jets to take were Joe Flacco, Chris Williams and Gosder Cherilus. I don’t know if they did try to trade down, but even if they had stayed put at #6, they’d have been much better off taking any of the other players taken between their pick and Talib and #20. They could have paired McKelvin or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (whom I was high on) with Revis and had a great young CB tandem. They could have taken Sedric Ellis (whom I liked) and put him at NT. Derrick Harvey may have been a better OLB than Gholston. Keith Rivers or Jerod Mayo would have given them a better, faster LB than anyone they had save Harris. They could have taken Ryan Clady or Jeff Otah and plugged him in at RT and had a great pair of bookend tackles for a long time. Jonathan Stewart would have given them a big, fast back with great hands. Brandon Albert could have been their starter at LG.
From a football standpoint, they absolutely didn’t need to sign all those older, high-priced veteran FAs in 2008 or trade for Favre or Kris Jenkins.
Here’s what their draft could have looked like if they hadn’t signed the FAs or traded for Favre and Jenkins.
1 – Sedric Ellis, DT (NT was a huge need, and he was perhaps the best NT prospect in that draft)
2 – Jordy Nelson WR, John Carlson TE or trade down and take Ray Rice RB – TE was also a big need if Bubba Franks wasn’t signed and Keller wasn’t traded up for, and a better RB was needed, plus as it has been said, it was the strength of the draft, Nelson would have given the WR corps better height and speed
3 – Charles Godfrey CB or Jamaal Charles RB (both positions were needed, Godfrey was viewed as a S conversion)
4a – Dwight Lowery, CB
4b – from the Saints Quintin Demps FS or Xavier Adibi OLB (added more speed and better depth to the D)
5 – Jared Gaither OT or Carl Nicks OT (OL depth or possibly to replace Clement as the starter) or Dennis Dixon QB to be a developemental prospect
6 – Ahtyba Rubin DT (another NT prospect that I was high on and an absolute steal at this point in the draft)
7 – Steve Johnson WR (was an excellent player at Kentucky) or Mackenzy Bernadeau OG (depth)
That draft would have addressed the horrible run defense (NT), improved depth in the secondary, and addressed the weak S corps, added speed and play-making ability at RB and WR and a bookend RT or OL depth. Every one of those players is still in the NFL, would have filled needs and the team wouldn’t have the holes they do now at RT, S, RB or WR. That draft would have also impacted the 2009 – 2011 drafts significantly.
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Problem with Shaub has been injuries.
every other year he seems to go down for a season. In hindsight, the Jets should have traded down.
I think that had to be one of the weaker draft classes in my memory. Still you point out all those guys who were great what about the bad ones. If memory serves, only Mario Williams (who was a wtf pick) turned out really well. Bush has been a bust also, and I remember us being linked to him.
I think the biggest criticism about your articles can be explained in your sentence here
The only three of that lot that I wouldn’t have wanted the Jets to take were Joe Flacco, Chris Williams and Gosder Cherilus.
Did you say that before the draft also if we traded down? or is that just in hindsight that those guys havent worked out as well?
Yes
I wasn’t high on Flacco or Cherilus at all, and Williams was an LT, and since the Jets had Ferguson, there was no reason for any interest in Williams.
My point (remember I’m trying to be unbiased here) is that it may not have been possible to trade down. Yes, if they could have, that was the way to go. Rumor has it that they tried, but couldn’t. We don’t know that for certain, but must assume it was true. If it was true, kudos to Tanny for trying to trade down. Hopefully, he wasn’t too greedy and that was what prevented a trade down. I have a feeling it was more due to the “quality” (or lack thereof) of the talent in the draft, however.
So if one assumes they had to stay put at #6, it was either take Gholston (and he was the last of the top 6-rated prospects and a physical beast with all the measurables, at a huge position of need and arguably the most important position in the D alignment they played) or they could have taken one of the other prospects I mentioned. It would have been very hard for them to bypass Gholston. If they had and he had been drafted by NE and became a star, the rest of the NFL and the Jets’ fanbase would have absolutely killed Tanny and the Jets’ “braintrust.” I can understand why they took him. I just wish they hadn’t.
Mario Williams was NOT a WTF pick. He was a great prospect, and I thought the Texans were brilliant in by-passing Bush. I thought Bush was over-hyped and would not be as good in the NFL. I remember lots of Jets fans salivating over him and wanting the Jets to give up their whole draft to move up to #1 and take him. Kudos to Tanny for being smart (or lucky) enough not to have done that.
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Agreed
Mario Williams in hindsight was a great pick however I remember the texans being ripped for taking him. Still agree with everything u say though. Flacco is opposit Sanchez he plays great in regular season yet seems to fall apart during the playoffs.
I think the big thing was the jets at the time felt pressured to draft the guy who fit our problem especially when we could not trade down. If we could I think we would fixed multiple needs with the picks
by sp0rtsfan86 on Feb 3, 2012 4:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Schaub was never an option.
He was a restricted free agent who got the highest tender from Atlanta. We would’ve had to pony up more than what Houston gave (2 2nd round picks, a move from 10 to 8 in the first round, and a big contract) to get Schaub, and that would’ve been craziness for him to come in and back up Pennington.
No, It Wouldn't Have
The Jets were obviously having doubts about Chad, as 2006 was his last year with the Jets. He had already proven injury prone and was very limited with the routes he could throw. It would have made perfectly good sense. He was already a proven quantity. Clemens had a ton of question marks and most of the experts didn’t have him rated highly. Trading for Schaub made a heck of a lot more sense than drafting Clemens.
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You Have to Pay to Get Your Franchise QB
We got Sanchez on the cheap and look at what we have…an iffy/marginal starting caliber QB after 3 years in the league. Schaub was a proven commodity. As many have stated and Manning showed with the Colts, having an excellent QB can cover a multitude of sins.
Was it a steep price? Absolutely. Chad was damaged goods by that point. While lots of Jets fans loved him, I’m sure it was obvious (or should have been, as those making those kinds of decisions with the team are supposed to look at it from a production and business standpoint and not from a fan’s sentimental standpoint) to the FO that they’d never get very far with Chad at QB. There were a number of routes he couldn’t throw and opposing Ds were stacking 8 in the box more and more and there was nothing the Jets could do to counter it. He couldn’t stay healthy and on the field.
I’d be totally surprised if the Jets just suddenly decided to let Pennington go at the end of the 2006 season. If they did, that’s just an indictment of their lack of long-range thinking and planning for the team. If the team had traded for Schaub, he would have been the starter and the Jets would have traded Pennington.
There were a number of fans who were for making a deal for Schaub regardless of the cost. I wasn’t one of them, but I was a HUGE Chad fan and wasn’t looking at the situation with all the facts and was looking at it as a fan, rather than objectively as the GM is supposed to do.
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If you’re looking for a turning point in Tannenbaum’s drafting, this is probably it. As one of the posters above mentioned, this was a pretty weak Draft overall outside running backs, but that’s not an excuse for getting so little. There were better players to be had.
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Interesting Comparison on TEs from this Draft
Found on another Jets’ site:
Dustin Keller drafted 30th by NYJs (after a TRADE UP).
—-Total picks used: 1st, 2nd and 4th rounders
Initial NFL evaluation: Looks like a nice player. Perhaps a fringe pro bowler.
* Rob Gronkowski drafted 42nd by the NEP.
—-Total picks used: 2nd rounder
Initial NFL evaluation: A game changer & all pro. Rewriting the record books.
* Aaron Hernandez drafted 113th by the NEP.
—-Total picks used: 4th rounder
Initial NFL evaluation: Looks like a perennial pro bowler. Very, very versatile.
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this was a very poor off season for us
you can forgive the gholston pick but to say keller was worth a 2nd + vilma was an utter joke . was vilma not worth more than farve ? we literally gave vilma away .
that seems to be Mike T’s problem , overpays for players in trades and contracts , lets players go to other teams for virtually nothing , trade up in the draft even when we are down picks from trades and then fill the rest of the roster with old cast offs from other teams
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i want jeffery in green at pick 16
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They sold low on Vilma. His value was shot. He was coming off a bad year and a serious knee surgery.
The rationale was he “didn’t fit the system.” I hated the move at the time. I think he would have fit the system a lot better with Kris Jenkins and David Harris keeping him clean than he was with Dewayne Robertson and Eric Barton.
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