Potential Jets: Mario Williams
The Jets could certainly use an upgrade to their pass rush. The best pass rusher available is Mario Williams. The Texans will have a difficult time keeping their 27 year old superstar because of their salary cap situation. Williams is one of the best in the game getting to the quarterback. He has a pair of years with at least 12 sacks and had 5 in the first 5 games of 2011 after a position change to outside linebacker before missing the rest of the season with a torn pectoral muscle.
Williams is a one trick pony, but that trick is a pretty special one. He uses his massive 6'6" 283 pound frame with great athleticism to consistently bull rush his way into opposing backfields and get to the quarterback. His play against the run is somewhat uneven, but he has shown he can get to the quarterback either standing up or in a three point stance.
As much as people talk about the weaknesses on the defense, the Jets still had a top five unit last year. With an offense that did not commit turnovers leading to over 100 points, that unit could have carried the Jets to 11 wins. At the same time, a player like Williams could take the defense to the next level. All of the great cover guys the Jets have would become even better if Gang Green had a guy who could get to the other team's quarterback quickly. Generating pressure without blitzing would allow for more help in the back. A guy like Williams would make the exotic blitzes Rex Ryan runs even more effective. He would draw so much attention that it would create favorable matchups.
I think it is a no brainer that the Jets should look into signing Williams. I am not sure that could really work, though. Mike Tannenbaum could probably create enough cap room to make it happen, but it might be a bit like Nnamdi Asomugha where the team could only go to a certain point and address other areas of need. The Jets got a lot closer to Nnamdi than I imagined they could. It is not impossible. I will just remain skeptical.
I will say this. I would rather have Williams and Joe Safety than a mediocre outside linebacker and a mediocre safety. As much as the Jets need better linebackers and safeties in coverage, they are not going to find a guy who can match up with Rob Gronkowski. The way to take him away is to get to Tom Brady before he can get the big tight end ball. I think the problem is that signing Williams would not limit the team's options at safety. It also would at right tackle, tight end, inside linebacker and wide receiver.
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No reasonable way to get it done with Cap.
I’d love the move, but Jets are so bad in cap aren’t they?
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I wouldn’t say they’re in bad shape. They’re just in a place where signing Williams would pretty much take up any space they would create. He would be about the only guy they could sign above the minimum.
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There seems to not really be a consensus of what that situation really is
Can you do a post breaking it down as best you can? That would be an A++++++++ article. I’ve been thinking about doing it myself actually but I’ve been too busy to sit on a computer and research it and all lately :S
by Exystence on Feb 18, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ll probably just give some links. A number of other Jets sites have already done top notch work. The consensus is by reworking and jettisoning some spare parts that they’ll have enough to make some modest signings.
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Great idea! Thanks John!
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Don't forget about...
How much Rex praised Mario before the first official game of Rex’s coaching career!
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IDK Max, if we signed every guy Rex praised, half the league would be on the Jets. lol
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There's some irony to this
Like saying that the Texans will have a hard time keeping him because of their cap situation, yet talking about us getting him despite our cap situation.
Lol so yeah I’d love for it to happen, but there’s approximately less than zero possibility in Hades of it happening. :/
by Exystence on Feb 18, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Definitely struck me as I was writing this. We’re in much better shape than the Texans, though. They have to let key guys go. With us it would just be a very, very tight squeeze.
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It's crazy just how good their whole team was last year
They had pro bowl or pro bowl-caliber players at every unit:
QB: Schaub
RB corps: Foster, Vickers (and Tate had 5.4 ypa)
WR corps: Andre
TEs: Daniels (and Dreessen ain’t no slouch)
Best OL in the league
DL: Watt, Super Mario (OLB but c’mon)
LB: Ryans, Cushing
DB: Joseph
Holy cow. Goes to show just how much injury luck matters.
by Exystence on Feb 18, 2012 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And, as a correlary,
How much having good depth matters.
by Exystence on Feb 18, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As much as the Jets need better linebackers and safeties in coverage, they are not going to find a guy who can match up with Rob Gronkowski. The way to take him away is to get to Tom Brady before he can get the big tight end ball.
YES! This is very true. No safety can match up with a guy like Gronk, so the way to combat that is to get to Brady quicker. Getting Mario probably means letting Pouha go, and leaving a few holes open. Also, Mario’s injuries are often the type that linger, and also I’ve heard whispers of steroid use (apparently, his injuries are very common in steroid abusers). I’d probably go for it, because Mario is such a special player when he’s healthy, but it’s a huge gamble.
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He's worth a look
But i’m 85% sure that we don’t have a realistic chance of making it happen. It would be my dream come true to see him in green and white, but I don’t see it happening. By the way, there are rumors of him going to the patriots…NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
All in.
I’d love to trade Cro for a couple picks. It would free up some space (I think) and allow us to draft a safety or 2 and we’d be set.
by Crackback on Feb 18, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Too much dead money is left on Cro’s deal. It would cost $9.5 million to trade him.
http://nyjetscap.com/salary12.html
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Guys u trade away count against the cap? What about guys aquired via trade, do their contracts count against the cap too?
by Crackback on Feb 18, 2012 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
From what I understand...
I think it works the same way as cutting a player, where any pro-rated signing bonus is immediately accelerated and counts against the cap of the next season. So I’m not sure if it would count against the 2012 or 2013 cap, but one way or another $9 million is wayyy too much dead money.
by Exystence on Feb 18, 2012 2:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My understading is this.
Dead money accelerates in a trade. The new team picks up the rest of the contract. I think some of the money can be double counted (counted against the cap for both teams).
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no one would want cro
Hes 10 million for a mediocre corner
Free agent OLB/DE Mario Williams insists becoming the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history is “really not that big of a deal” to him.
“I’m not worried about that,” Williams said. “I was the first pick, and I’ve already had everything I really wanted, so my biggest thing is to be in a good position, a good scheme, a good system.” Williams’ hope is that the Texans will make him an offer rich enough to stay in Houston. “I love it here. The team is right where it needs to be,” said Williams. “The pieces fit, but it’s part of business. Whatever happens, happens.” Williams says he’s been 100 percent recovered from his torn pectoral for two weeks
IDK
Many free agents say things like that and then run to the highest bidder.
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Do you think the highest bid will be equal to or less than what we can offer?
I’m just saying it’s all incredibly wishful thinking. Plus I’m not sure I’d be willing to pay in excess of $10 mil/year (at absolute WORST I’m willing to bet) for a guy coming off a season-ending injury. Though admittedly I know nothing of the likelihood of future complications or re-injury of torn pec muscles.
by Exystence on Feb 18, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt we’d have the highest bid, which is why I wouldn’t get too excited about any statements about how money isn’t anything. When a player goes out of his way to tell you it’s not about the money, more often than not, that’s an indication it’s all about the money.
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Just in general, it's all about the money
Pretty much should be a given rule. Only sport that seems to not be the case 100% of the time is basketball for whatever reason.
by Exystence on Feb 18, 2012 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I’m in the “I’ll believe it when I see it,” school when it comes to somebody taking a discount to play somewhere. That’s why I find it striking even when somebody like Santonio Holmes or Antonio Cromartie leaves money on the table to stay with the Jets even if they are getting a monster contract anyway.
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Well I guess they really did like it here
That’s the benefit of having a players’ coach.
not important
but i think mario wants to get paid something…we cannot afford him, sorry. we have to realize with all of these FAs that other teams will also be interested. teams with actual cap space to spend.
I think we'd have to offer the most money to get
I don’t believe we were ever THAT close to Nnamdi. I know he talked nice, but we simply didn’t have the money to offer and apparently the Eagles were his top choice the whole time if “the economics were right”.
Isn’t it amazing how suddenly once the Eagles offered him the most money, they suddenly became the team he always wanted to play for?
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Humans are, unfortunately, quite self-centered and greedy
That’s not to say anything bad about Nnamdi, it’s just in human nature to do what’s best for yourself, and it’s easy for your thoughts to be twisted in a certain way if some things happen.
Exactly.....
He played us perfectly! We’d get caught in the same game with Williams and then see him sign with our competition. Time wasted again. Time to be realistic and go after the players that we have a proper chance of signing to our team with no games being played. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see Williams in Green & White next season pressuring Brady. But the risk and the offset of not being able to properly address our other pressing needs outweighs the need to sign him. One of these years we will smarten up with the way we run the business end of the Jets. WE are going to need to bite the bullet financially one of these years big time to gain our $$$ Cap freedom.
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by Canadian Jet on Feb 19, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
Could really use em
I say get it done. Its the missing piece to our puzzle. Can’t believe we talk def soo much, yet we don’t have a GREAT pass rusher its embarrassing. Maybe Pouha can GO that will clear some cap space, let Devito step up in his place prove his worth (gain some weight). But its all wishful thinking cause we would still need SS, RT, WR
by flawed911 on Feb 18, 2012 3:13 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I'd love him on our defense.
Too much money. Pouha is a key free agent to bring back and we’ll need money to make moves. Get a pass rusher in the 1st.
Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!
by jets4life24 on Feb 18, 2012 3:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Some Fans Never Learn
Can’t believe so many Jets fans voted for break the bank. Very Sad. Maybe one day all Jets fans will decide to join the real world instead of ignoring facts and living in a fantasy world.
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Too costly for my liking
Legendary teams are built through the draft. Enough of these wild geese chasing. If mario would cost more then f him and keep moving. Our focus should be draft 2 olb’s in this draft.
We may not need two
Pace has still got another year in him i’d say. We do need BT’s replacement though
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