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Cap Casualties the Jets and Wayne Hunter

I'm going to try to avoid the urge to post just to post and save it for when there is something worthwhile to say. I came across an article on NFL.com today about who might be cut in the coming weeks for various reasons. Money, performance, injuries, and age will cause teams to cut loose guys that can't cut it. If you want to see the article it's http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82704bb5/article/ward-newman-and-cooley-highlight-cap-casualty-season?module=HP11_hot_topics .

There were a couple guys that I was interested in when I saw the names. Most notably, were Marcus McNeil who plays left tackle for the Chargers. He was a dominant 6'7 320 pound OT taken in the 2nd round a few years back. He dropped a little because of back issues. There was also Jason Smith a 1st round pick of the Rams in 09 who hasn't panned out as a left tackle. Then I've heard names like Kareem McKenzie formally of the Jets and currently of the Giants. That made me wonder, just how bad is Wayne Hunter and how can you accurately gauge him against other lineman since there aren't a lot of statistics around to measure what he's doing and not doing. Join me to find out after the jump.

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When you look at the league of 32 teams, and 2 tackles starting per team, that gives you 64 tackles. Where does Wayne sit in the rankings? This is a link to a site that tracks hits, sacks, and pressures and tallies them up. It also adds in total plays on offense and gives a percentage of blocking on passing plays. Wayne, to no surprise is not high on the list. However, he's not the bottom of the list either. So for all of you that posted you don't understand why the team didn't cut him. Here's why. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/12/15/signature-stats-snapshot-offensive-tackle-pass-blocking-efficiency/

If you look at the list of tackles, there are around 15-20 starting tackles rated below him, including the Giants Kareem McKenzie. Wayne Hunters blocking effieciency is 93.5%. In other words, if he plays 100 snaps he gets it right 94 out of 100 times. Add to that, running plays run at the right tackle averaged 4.2 yards per carry. That was tops on the Jets line in running plays I believe. If you wondering, or don't feel like clicking the link, the top 20 tackles graded out at 97%, or just 3 more completed blocks per 100 attempts. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way a huge Wayne Hunter fan, but I do see him for what he is. A cheap and affordable 6th man. His salary which is 2.5 million illustrates what he is. It's not a starter's salary, but not a bench players either. Although the salary is guaranteed, there is no bonus in it. He can be cut, restructured or whatever, and it wouldn't effect the salary cap. For 2.5 and a guy that has starting experience, that's not bad.

I'm expecting a crazy off season with the Payton Manning situation, and this being the first season since the new bargaining agreement with a full off season where teams can scout, manage, and address players without having to scramble. The Jets are in good position to not have to worry about a draft if they can pick up a player like Marcus McNeil to man the right side, and move Hunter back to 6th man. Or they can go for a reclamation project in 1st rounder Jason Smith, and a move from left to right tackle will up his game. He was known as a good pass blocker before the Rams ruined him.

Other free agents of interest to me personally are John Abraham who is a former Jet and great pass rusher, and Dwight Lowery another former Jet and good play maker at safety. Free agency should be used to augment with inexpensive castoffs or role players as a team builds through drafting. Both Abraham and Lowery represent good value at needed positions, and inexpensive signings. The Jets then have flexibility to draft players at the same positions or best available, and cover all the bases. They can draft pass rushers like Upshaw, Perry, or Curry and already have Abraham, Maybin in the fold. Or they can draft Barron later on and already have a free safety in Lowery.

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And I"m out.

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I would much rather prefer

18 Max Starks PIT 557 319 4 2 13 19 95.2

Will be CHEAP. Coming off a big injury, but should be ready in time for the season. Our new starting RT.

by Brian_W on Feb 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Not Quite Accurate, But Very Close
Although the salary is guaranteed, there is no bonus in it. He can be cut, restructured or whatever, and it wouldn’t effect the salary cap. For 2.5 and a guy that has starting experience, that’s not bad.

According to nyjetscap.com, Hunter’s cap value is $2,500,000. The dead money hit if he is cut is $2,450,000. There would be a $50k cap savings if he is cut, and that’s the amount of his bonus. It’s listed as “other” so it’s not a roster bonus.

Anyway, it’s a negligible difference.

When you look at the league of 32 teams, and 2 tackles starting per team, that gives you 64 tackles. Where does Wayne sit in the rankings? This is a link to a site that tracks hits, sacks, and pressures and tallies them up. It also adds in total plays on offense and gives a percentage of blocking on passing plays. Wayne, to no surprise is not high on the list. However, he’s not the bottom of the list either. So for all of you that posted you don’t understand why the team didn’t cut him.

This is a bit misleading, and imo, you make Hunter sound better than he actually is. He’s still in the bottom 20 of the NFL. It’s hard to imagine that anyone was actually worse than Hunter, but there they are in black and white. (Thanks for posting this link BTW).

It’s actually interesting to see who the guys are who are worse than Hunter. The worst was a tie between James Carpenter of Seattle and Levi Brown of ARZ. Carpenter had over 300 less snaps than Hunter. Just above them were Marc Colombo, Jammal Brown, Guy Whimper, and Barry Richardson. This group have all been mentioned as possible replacements for Hunter.

In the group right above them is included McKenzie (who had a bad knee) and Byron Bell, a UDFA rookie RT for the Panthers who only got to play due to injuries. Hunter wasn’t much better than them.

It’s also interesting that Brick isn’t in the top 20, while Andrew Whitworth, an OT that Tanny could have taken instead of Brick is rated the #2 OT.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tyler

by joeklecko on Feb 17, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Well, Brick had an off-year

We all know he’s played very well for us in the past

by darshv3 on Feb 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, the news about Slauson's injuries sheds some light too

If he was giving him extra help it explains some of the trouble as well.

by Exystence on Feb 17, 2012 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're both right.

Manuvsteal’s information was correct at the start of the offseason. That changed once Hunter’s money became guaranteed.

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by John B on Feb 17, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hunter stayin put

Can’t remember where I read it but a blog /story on Hunter said he was guaranteed out of “respect”. He was the one in the huddle in Miami game that openly challenged Holmes….you know….get in the F’n game or F’off. I guess the FO felt they owed some respect to the guy who stood up on principle to Mr. 50 Million Reasons I can’t catch the Dam Ball. Whether that is right, wrong or full of shit I don’t know…..

But as long as he is NOT STARTING at RT next year I’ll be happy.

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by Canadian Jet on Feb 18, 2012 3:42 AM EST reply actions  

Relax, I doubt he will

We’re probably gonna hear a lot about vernon carey in the next month or so

by darshv3 on Feb 18, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be a face palm of a reason to keep him if true.

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by John B on Feb 18, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hunter may be cut afterall

the more i think about it, the more i think that the jets signed him for insurance. they do not know how everything will play out in FA or the draft but they will certainly try to upgrade at tackle. if everything goes right maybe they can restructure or cut hunter. if it all goes wrong they have a body to put in there. the FA tackles are slim pickings and the good ones will probably be out of the jets price range. the jets probably would like to bring in a carey or even draft a tackle in the first couple of rounds but nothing is a sure thing.

by RichTodd on Feb 18, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think Hunter gets cut

But I do think they look to address the tackle position. It may be an open competition for the spot. Be sure that there will be lots of good tackles being cut this off season. Just wait another few weeks and they will be sitting there looking for a home like the rotisserie chicken in every supermarket.

by manuvsteal on Feb 19, 2012 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

I'd take back Abes and Lowery.

Seems like Abe became a better pass rusher in ATL though. Trading Lowery was a big mistake. Then again, most moves they made 2010 into 2011 were huge mistakes.

by steven.am7 on Feb 20, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

And please!

To not Wayne Hunter? This franchise is ridiculous. He stunk from the first play of the season.

by steven.am7 on Feb 20, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

To not CUT* Wayne Hunter

by steven.am7 on Feb 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

No one debates that he didn't have a good year

But he has played well. The reason they didn’t get another player when Woody wasn’t resigned is because Hunter played very well the season prior. The only game he didn’t play well that I remember was the playoff loss to the Steelers. What happened to him between 2010 and 2011 I don’t know,but he can be a good player. He’s fringe starter material, and if he comes off the bench, he’s a great back up player. No need to cut him in my opinion, just no need to start him either.

by manuvsteal on Feb 20, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey guys, Marcus Mcneill from san diego is probably gonna get cut

Worth a look? He’s a LT but i guess he’s worth looking at.

by darshv3 on Feb 20, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

Too Expensive

and has constant back issues. That’s why he’s getting cut. When healthy, he’s very good. The problem is he’s rarely healthy and makes too much money for the amount of time he spends on the field.

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by joeklecko on Feb 20, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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