Same Old Jets II

by ocjet on Feb 12, 2012 4:11 PM EST

It seems that some of us fans are wanting to go down the SOJ road and probably not meaning to but our mentality and attitude is making us that way.

Of course there is continuing talk of Peyton and now even bring up Hines Ward. Both good players but I feel past their prime and people still overlooking the fact that Peyton has a losing record in the playoffs. The last time they faced each other Sanchez beat Peyton and the first time our defense let us down as we were playing well and we couldn't get pressure and Peyton ate us up. Then last year against the Steelers we made Mendenhall look like HOF material and couldn't stop the run and dug ourselves in a big hole but we almost pulled it out with Sanchez as our QB.

But we fans want it now and don't want to give Sanchez a chance with a new OC. So now it lets get get older and bring in has beens because they were great once and will make us that way. Forget that maybe our FO has to get their head out of their ass and draft better and get some good FA signings. Of course teams have these unknowns that turn out great and we wonder where did they come from. Might be they also come from good scouting reports and good coaching. Example Victor Cruz was Vlad's teammate and he said people came to see Vlad and the Giants somewhat like him and signed him undrafted. We have to spend a lot and get older to get better and many times don't. Like LT was an awesome signing and we new maybe 2 good years and he did that for us but now what LT might retire or another team. The Pats signed the O line guy Water that KC waived and this year he made the pro bowl. Why can't we come up with stuff like that. While teams are getting better, faster, and younger we continue to talk older.

So maybe our mentality is the SOJ and maybe SOF (same old fans) things don't do our way and we want change now. Many Sanchez supporters the last 2 years now want his head. Yea, he look like crap this year but like someone said was the jets pinata this year and got hit so much it was ridiculous. Or Tone last year sign him, we need him its SB man. Tone is still an awesome player but now there are more issues that has to be addressed since now we have paid him the real big bucks. So I'm hoping he really wants to work it out for the good and wasn't kissin ass to get the big bucks next year. As Jets fan who wants to see us back in the SB, I want us to get younger and faster. 40+ years of not even getting to the big dance is very disappointing but IMO we have to get smarter starting with the FO with better coaching, analyzing, and drafting. So much young talent out there that just needs good coaching.

Of course this is my own opinion and I know some will agree and some will disagree, so let's hear what us fans have to say.

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Can we please stop the Sanchez beat Peyton crap

The Jets beat the Colts. Its not a 1 on 1 game, its between two teams. On top of that, we must ask ourselves, was Peyton already playing hurt? If he was not 100%, it couldve played a big factor in us winning that game.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 12, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions

Of course its between two teams but the topic is should we get Peyton. So what’s your point?

It will never end until the FO says not looking at Peyton and some will even still want him. Now they’re saying Curtis Martin says Peyton would be good for the jets. Now there’s talk about Hines Ward.

by ocjet on Feb 12, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions

I would take Peyton at 70% over Sanchez at 100%

Sanchez shouldnt be kicked to the curb but if you can get a healthy Manning, you have to do it. I dont want to hear about the Favre stuff, this is way different. Favre was brought in to sell PSLs, Manning would be brought in to win a title.

As for Sanchez, he is plenty replaceable if they decided to go with Manning for a few seasons. The Jets window is closing, they should go all in if they want to win anytime soon. If you have a healthy Manning, you dont need a top 5 defense. As much as Rex wont want to admit it, the NFL is a QB league. Last I looked, there wasnt a top defense in the SB, its all about offense.

by YankeesJets on Feb 12, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions

the final 4 teams for the chance for the SB have good defenses. The niners, ravens, giants and the pats found some defense in the playoffs. Who do you think won the SB for the giants the offense who scored 19 points or the defense who held the Pats to 17 points.
The giants have one of the best pass rushes and they apply pressure. 21-17 is not a offensive battle.

Yea the Jets window is closing and if we get more old players and it doesn’t work out our window has really closed and the Jets could suck for years. Get youth into the mix while we still have a good foundation of a team. Manning brought in to win a title, I would bet all I have that with Manning no SB for the Jets. Its all the panic and win now mentality that would only back fire. I hope the FO is not that stupid but I wouldn’t put it past them. lol

by ocjet on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions

The two teams that made it had bottom of the pack defenses, yet they beat two of the NFLs best defenses to move on. The QB position is all that matters in todays NFL. Its sad but its the truth. All im saying is that the Jets defense in its current state is better than the teams that made the SB. The biggest piece thay are missing isnt a pass rusher or a safety, its a QB.

by YankeesJets on Feb 13, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions

The giants were playing some of the best defense towards the end of the season so forget the stats on paper. Plus could have easily been niners, ravens if not for some screw ups by them. DEFENSE!

by ocjet on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions

Couldve been them but it wasnt

Jets couldve won in 09 and 10 but didnt. An elite QB can overcome a middle of the pack defense. An elite defense cant overcome an average QB. Defense is not what it once was, the NFL is an offensive driven league.

by YankeesJets on Feb 15, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions

Defense Still Matters in the Playoffs

especially when you can consistently pressure the QB. Both NE’s and the Giants’ defenses stepped up big time int he playoffs. The Ravens won a SB with a below average QB. I think Sanchez can possibly become and above average QB.

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by joeklecko on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions

The Ravens won when the league had different rules

Defense is not what it once was thanks to the rules of today. There’s a reason why BB, a defensive mastermind wound up changing his team into an offensive juggernaut, because of the rules.

Take a look at the teams winning SBs nowadays, average defenses, elite QBs.

by YankeesJets on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions

That’s a good point. The impact of a great defense is crippled by the modern day league rules. Not only are they calling PI more often, but they’re throwing flags if you hit too hard. Like seriously. The intimidation factor of a physical defense is being eviscerated from the game.

On the other hand, Marino’s once unbeatable line of 5,000 passing yds in a season was crossed by 3 different QB’s in the same year. And something like 9 other QB’s threw for over 4,000 yds. It’s disgusting. But that’s what the league wants.

by nationalist88 on Feb 16, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions

so let's not get a pass rush, lets forget about the defense period.

Let the defense get older and Eric Smith return as the starting saftey. We bring Manning in. We have a run first OC so we have to find someone to set-up a passing attack. Oh yeah, we do need recievers so we have to hope that Payton set up a connection with them. Because we let our defense go to the way side we are in constant shootouts. New Englands tight ends still kicking our ass. Tom Brady sitting in the pocket tearing us apart with the no-huddle. All it takes is one defensive stop by the other team and we are probabl done. Ex. GB Packers. Offensive was a juggernant, defense was not that good. Went up against a team with a pass rush, and was stopped in the second round of the playoffs at home. The weakness of this pass heavy kind of offensive is a good pass rush. while you think everyone is trying to copy what GB did. The smart teams are getting pass rushers. Don’t drink the kool-aid. Lets stick on what we have, and build!

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by greenandwhite4ever on Feb 15, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions

But what do we have?

A team that cant even win its division. The Ravens are prided on their great defense every frigging year, yet they havent been to a SB since 2000 and before this season never really came close. You dont need a dominant defense in todays NFL, just a QB that can make plays and keep the defense fresh. We dont have that.

by YankeesJets on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions

Of the Final Four playoff teams, the two teams with elite defenses went home.

The two teams with elite QB’s went to the Superbowl.

Just sayin’

by nationalist88 on Feb 15, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions

Just saying the giants and pats were playing good defense towards the end of season and in the playoffs. They both had more sacks and ints than the jets, the pats even allowed less total points. Don’t be fooled by total defense figures while we got our asses kicked. In the playoffs against the best the Giants allowed 56 pts in 4 games, 14 a game. The Pats allowed 51 pts, in 3 games 17 a game. No defense?

by ocjet on Feb 15, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions

Those two teams faced one elite QB in their 5 matchups

If anything, I think the Packers suffered from too much rest. Especially their QB.

by YankeesJets on Feb 15, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions

There's No Arguing

that teams with elite QBs have the deck stacked in their favor. We have to hope that Sanchez will approach that status this season (or at least show signs of approaching that) under Sparano. If not, we’ll be starting over again next year. Do you trust Tanny to find that QB? I don’t.

by joeklecko on Feb 15, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions

You wont have to worry about Tanny..

…this team has a repeat of this year and I have a feeling the front office will get cleaned out.

by YankeesJets on Feb 15, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions

I Hope You're Right

If Woody doesn’t hire a good football man as President to run things, it won’t matter, however.

by joeklecko on Feb 16, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions

I like Tanny and feel that its not all on him

Im not making excuses for him because I hate that sort of thing but I think he has a team of advisors, so they should get some blame. I also think his hands have been tied at times due to our owner being cheap.

We all killed him for not using the room under the cap before the 11 season but from what Ive read, it was actually smart as it can help us this year.

With all that said, Id rather we had a great season where Tanny’s moves pay off.

by YankeesJets on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

Can we please stop the Sanchez beat Peyton crap The Jets beat the Colts. Its not a 1 on 1 game, its between two teams.

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by John B on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

yea not a 1 on 1 game its between 2 teams, so why is one old QB going to do it for us while our team is on a slow decline. Build our TEAM right and fill the holes we have. Our QB took us to 2 AFCC with the team.

by ocjet on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions

Brady took a team with a defense and run game not nearly good as ours to the SB

And came very close to winning it. The NFL is no longer “the defense win championships” league, its “the offense is everything” league now.

by YankeesJets on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions

yes and that offense wasn't that good against good defenses

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by greenandwhite4ever on Feb 16, 2012 4:34 AM EST up reply actions

Ok, this isn't the 2006 Peyton Manning.

This is a 36 year old coming off major neck surgery.

MARK SANCHEZ HAD BETTER STATS THAN TEBOW.

So either Sanchez is better than " second coming " or you have to admit that Tebow is no good.

by sanchise6 on Feb 12, 2012 6:15 PM EST reply actions

Sorry dude, but you need to proof read your posts, this is the second one I couldn't decifer.

by JETSFAN IN SC on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions

no one else has a problem, you can’t figure it out.

by ocjet on Feb 14, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions

Actually it was good advice

I had a lot of trouble understanding what point you were trying to make.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Feb 16, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions

Doubts......

Yup…doubts….too many people here are heavily doubting the known product known as Mark Sanchez. He was a big part of 2 AFC Championship Game runs in his 1st 2 seasons with us. Things didn’t quite go as sparkling for him in his 3rd season as the Jets failed to make the playoffs. The legions of Sanchez Doubters & Haters have climbed and crawled out of the woodwork this off-season to bash his work and to wish for him to hit the road. In chorus they call for the new saviour the one and only: PEYTON MANNING. But lo and behold Manning is battle scarred. He sat out the full 2011 season due to 2 neck surgeries. Doubts…..mmmm…..there is talk that Manning is one hit away from retirement if he indeed can play at all. Various reports continue to surface that Manning cannot make even the simplest of his throws. He is on record of saying that he doesn’t figure to be in game shape until August 2012…..Doubts……mmmm…..He has been medically cleared by the Colts doctors. It is expected that he will be cut soon after the Combines are completed in Indy thereby making him a FA…..Doubts……Is this the guy you want QBing your beloved Jets? Mr. Major Injury Risk, Mr. Unknown – can he play again – at what level – for how long – just how durable will he be or will he be as fragile as a carton of eggs back there in the pocket with Teams gunning for him every passing down……Doubts…….You can’t be serious about this can you? What do you do when he can’t make it out of training camp?……Doubts….Gets hurt and retires in Game #2 to prevent further serious injury to self…..Doubts….

How about staying with the known entity – Mark Sanchez and surrounding him with some better tools than last year’s supply? First off is getting rid of that turnstile at Right Tackle – Hunter. Let’s get that fixed thru FA ideally and as well draft a long term replacement. Adding some depth to the OL with some Quality to it will be just as important. That should take care of two things: fixing Run Game + Pass Protection. Secondly, Receiving Corps: Need to add a deep threat to keep defenses honest and allow us to open up our passing game and exploit our running game. All things considered – $‘s, health etc. in line Braylon Edwards back on the Right side will be a great target once again for Sanchez. It will also open up the interior for the slant routes by Holmes & Keller over the middle. Of course stretching the field will be fun to watch once again and I’d like to see Kerley throw the rock long to either Edwards or Holmes. The running game should return to form by the improved OL play. I still think the Jets would be wise to pick up another RB via FA or the draft. A smash mouth back like Michael Bush would be a nice weapon to have to roll on against the Pats, Steelers & Co. I think if we are going to a Ground & Pound state we are a little light on where we stand now in the RB status. If Tanny can pull these thing off then Mark Sanchex has a set of new tools…..improved tools to work with. He is a naturally gifted athlete. He is capable in getting the job done. I think if he is surrounded with a strong support team he will shine and put up big numbers and silence his critics………and remove Doubts

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by Canadian Jet on Feb 14, 2012 3:31 AM EST reply actions

+1000

I feel the same way, a lot of supporters now are doubters no loyalty at least for another season. They forget that we went to 2 AFCC and Sanchez played well. Now some are saying forget that Sanchez beat Peyton the last time its a team thing not 1 on 1. Yet they think this 1 QB is going to take us to the SB. Our team is on the decline slowly on offense and defense but they want the one guy to be our saviour. Yea not a 1 on 1 game so let’s build our TEAM right.
Fix the holes we have and think of the future. Get better scouting and why don’t we know the players with heart and desire that are the next where did they come from. We try and buy our way there too much with FA.

by ocjet on Feb 14, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions

I think Sanchez took way too much blame for our offensive woes this season

Of course he played his significant share, but our whole offense in general was just really really really bad. From a scheme and play-calling standpoint, it was just broken, dysfunctional, never really found its way, and I don’t think anyone in our offense was in a position to be able to succeed, be it Sanchez, Holmes, Greene, Keller, or the line. Sanchez is just another piece of that puzzle that never fit together.

by darshv3 on Feb 14, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions

ok I am one of those doubters and Here is why

You can give Mark all the so-called tools,BUT when after 3 yrs He still CAN NOT read a DEF,then we are right back too square #1..tools in place and a QB, that doesnt know how too use them!!!!…those pick-6;s He threw last yr REST SQUARELY upon HIM and nobody else!!!!..On 1 of them after the Game He even admitted that He saw His REC was well covered BUT Still threw it His way, WHY?…Mark needs some serious Competition for QB position..Right now He has NONE, so He knows no matter how poorly He plays He is still in the Game!!!!…..Now here is something too ponder, Schotty is now gone and Lets say for sake of argument,next season with HIS New Team that succeed,then we shall all know it was the QB that failed than the OC!!!…..Now we sign Holmes and he gets a guranteed 15 million…re-signed Hunter why?…between Holmes and Scott, woody has to shell out 19million, whether they stay or leave!!!!..seems too me someone doent have there head screwed on too tighly

by Jack2466 on Feb 15, 2012 3:46 AM EST up reply actions

not all was squarely on him

Watch that Raven game. He was scared to death everytime he dropped back. He was a beaten man. I’m not saying he is not to blame but everybody had an off year. Getting a Payton Manning does not garuntee success!!

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by greenandwhite4ever on Feb 15, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions

Wait, i just read this again,

And you’re reasoning for SOJ is we don’t sign scrubs who turn into superstars like the Pats OL guy? So every time we do good it’s because we got lucky?

MARK SANCHEZ HAD BETTER STATS THAN TEBOW.

So either Sanchez is better than " second coming " or you have to admit that Tebow is no good.

by sanchise6 on Feb 15, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions

Wait, let me tell you again, the SOJ is because we are not patient willing to give up our future. I hope we have better scouting of talent, not sign old players hoping for past glory, and not have a lousy draft. If we can pick up some unknowns who our scouting talent dept. say they are worth a try and they turn out good, awesome. If not check out the next one instead of checking out the the old slowers players that had past glory. Like their was talk about Hines Ward that dude was awesome and maybe HOF but is really slowing down. So why pick him up, locker room attitude crap. Winning is the best thing for attitude. I’l take a Victor Cruz.

Every time we do good should be because we had a good scouting department of talent, built a solid team with youth and veterans and stop all the quick fix crap. The past few years we had the least drafted players and out of that few amount we were at best average. That really hurt us.

by ocjet on Feb 15, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions