Other Teams' Needs in the Draft and FA
by joeklecko on Feb 10, 2012 7:57 PM EST
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PrintThe info on this list of needs is taken from an article at NBCSports.MSNBC.com
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/46332637/ns/sports-nfl/
I am condensing it to just the team and their needs without all the discussion.
If this article is right, the FA period is going to be key. A LOT of teams need help at S and WR. Similarly, a lot of teams need an LT. There could be a lot of competition for the FA RTs, and in the draft some of the OTs that some of you are projecting as RTs, may get drafted in the hopes they can play LT in the NFL.
Follow after the jump to see who might be competing against the Jets for Safeties, WRs, RTs, pass rushing OLBs and perhaps RBs.
I'm bolding the teams that I think will be the most likely to compete with the Jets for players.
Indianapolis -QB, OL. RB, WR, TE, LB, DBs
St. Louis - LT, WR, S, DL, LB, backup QB, RB
Minnesota -LT, WR, S, CB, LB
Cleveland -QB, WR, RB, RDE
Tampa Bay -RB, LB
Washington- QB, S, WR
Jacksonville - WR
Carolina - LB, DT, DE, CB, WR
Miami - QB, OL, pass rushing OLB, NT
Buffalo - pass rushing OLB, WR
KC - QB, NT
Seattle -QB, DE, LB
AZ -LT, RT, RG
Dallas -CB, S, OG, C
Philladelphia - LB
Jets -WR, backfield playmaker (RB), pass-rushing OLB, S, RT
Cincinnati (Oakland) - CB, S,
San Diego - LT, WR, OLB, S, DE
Chicago - WR
Tennessee -OG, C, Defense
Cincinnati - CB, S, RB
Cleveland (Atlanta) - LT, C, RG, pass rush (DE),
Detroit - LT, S, CB
Pittsburgh -OL, NT, ILB
Denver -QB, LB, S, RB, CB
Houston - WR, OLB
NE (New Orleans)- DE, DT
GB - pass-rushing OLB, RB
Baltimore -OG, C, WR, OLB, ILB, S
SF - WR,
NE - WR, CB, S (Either Curry or a WR)
Giants - CB, LT, RB
It will be interesting to see if there is a run on WRs early. As many as 7 teams who draft ahead of the Jets in each round are said to be looking for a WR. Some will fill that need in FA with a Vince Jackson, Bobby Meachem, or other player, but the Jets have to be wise and not get desperate and trade up. They can identify who is likely to take a WR they're looking at in the next round and trade down a few spots ahead of that team to take that WR. Also, players fall. Tanny must not be too aggressive. Besides, if they can re-sign Braylon, the Jets could conceivably skip taking a WR, as they also have a young WR prospect (Michael Campbell, who had good size and speed).
As always, lots of teams want pass rushers. Only 4 teams that draft ahead of the Jets look to need a pass-rushing OLB or DE (in a 4-3 alignment). Still, in the 1st round alone, that could be devastating. Upshaw, Ingram, Perry and Marcilius could all be gone by the time the Jets pick. 5 teams that pick after the Jets (including SD just 2 picks later), 4 of which play the 3-4 alignment I believe, also are looking for pass rush help. Those prospects could go quickly. Tanny needs to have several scenarios and contingency plans worked out, rather than going by his normal reactionary seat of the pants type moves. He needs to have a conditional trade down to the bottom of the first round or top of the 2nd lined up. He may wind up having to move up in a middle round to grab McClellin or Hamilton.
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i think jeffery would be a very good pick for us
but another guy i think could be a very good pick would be jeremy kerse . we could potentially draft him in the 6th round .
if the is a run on wr’s in the draft maybe someone like couples will fall into our lap at 16 . we would also get better value if we want to trade back . but if we could trade back and still pick up jeffery i’d be over the moon .
imagine we picked up jeffery at 21 and got an extra 3rd and 4th round pick .
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i want jeffery in green at pick 16
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If There's a Run on WRs
we won’t be able to trade back and get Jeffrey. We probably won’t at #16.
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a lot of knocks on Jeffrey
Weight gain, not as fast, has trouble getting separation, stats went down (although it was due to poor QB play). Unless he runs a 4.4 in the 40 and has a 41 inch vertical with an impressive pro day then he will go in the 20’s
Braylon Edwards
How much do you guys think Bray would cost us if we re-signed him? 2 mill? 2 years 4.5 mill?
not even
He got cut from a team in the playoffs who had no replacement for him. That was a 1 million dollar one year contract they already paid the bulk of to him, AFTER his successes with the Jets. He’ll command even less money this year.
1 year contract, veteran minimum or a little higher. And that’s if he passes physical and checks out.
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Very nice post though
Rec’d , Hopefully the teams in front of us wont take all the good pass rushers. We definitely need to double dip and I hope we get Adrian Hamilton later on in the draft.
Correction on Miami
They don’t need a pass rushing OLB as they are converting to a 4-3 defense. Still, they’re in the sweepstakes for some 4-3 DEs like Melvin Ingram that could also be utilized as 3-4 OLBs.
They also don’t need a NT as with the 3-4, they will have Tony McDaniel, Randy Starks, and likely Jared Odrick move inside to DT. Karlos Dansby and Kevin Burnett will likely man the OLB positions.
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Hybrids are great and all, but I prefer my DE's to just be DE's
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I would agree
But Ingram is a natural DE in a 4-3 scheme and the only 4-3 DE prospect that has equal potential to him is Quinton Coples, but I don’t see Coples as a potential 3-4 OLB.
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houston needs OLB ?
don’t they have Barwin and Reed already they need a true NT like a Poe or Brandon Thompson. Plus Super Mario is most likely going to get tagged
I'm Hearing
that the Texans think Williams is gonna get offered way more than they can afford to pay. Supposedly, they’re not gonna franchise him. So they very well could need another OLB. Don’t know what their depth is like.
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If the Texans franchise Williams...
I doubt WIlliams gets an offer from other teams.
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True
but based on what I’m reading they aren’t gonna do that.
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That is most likely correct. The tag is just too expensive for Houston.
Fortunately for Houston, they still have a month to negotiate with Williams before anyone in the league does. Unless Williams has some underlying beef with the Texans that the public does not know about, I don’t think he’d have a problem signing an extension before free agency.
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This was a really novel idea, breaking down our competition for talent aquisition
I really like it.
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oh and Rex'd
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Do you think we should go after Mario Williams
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by greenandwhite4ever on Feb 12, 2012 6:49 AM EST reply actions
I don't think NYJ could afford him.
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NO
They can’t afford him, and they have too many other needs. That would screw their cap for forever if they could afford him. Quit wanting “quick fixes” and bringing in high-priced FAs. That’s NOT the way to build long-term success for a team. It’s the way to sure cap hell and rebuilding.
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agreed
BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT!!! no more Pace’s please!
runs on WR and OLB/DE
well I dont think the jets should pick a WR in the first round, especially if there is a run on them. I would like other teams to take the WRs so we could address the pass rush first. I would be unhappy if the top 4 passrushers are all gone by 16 however, but it would mean, that we could probably get a great tackle or maybe even trent richardson. We will have to see how it plays out but if one of the top pass rushers is available we must take him. I would even get a second one in round 2 if it is good value. pick up a WR in FA and in rounds 4-7 of the draft. Safety is also a priority but hopefully we can address that in FA.
worried about SD and Buffalo
i think the Bills are going to go after Upshaw, and if they happen to pass (say they go WR Floyd or Wright) i think SD will try to jump us to get Upshaw. if Upshaw clears Buffalo and SD doesn’t trade up to jump us, then Upshaw will be a Jet.
But if Upshaw is gone, and SD jumps us to take Ingram – Jets should look to trade back and collect a 2nd and draft a WR (i like Sanu a lot) then target Curry in the 2nd.
I feel like I did last year with Wilkerson
where there was an air of inevitability. I feel like Upshaw is the pick if he doesn’t get taken or unless someone else the FO wants falls to them.
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Good, let them take Upshaw
Upshaw is not what we need. He might a solid all-around OLB like Anthony Spencer or Shaun Phillips who can play the run and cover… but we don’t need that. We need a guy with burst who can get the quarterback. I’m starting to zero in on Nick Perry as the guy I want the Jets to get.
im actually starting to like Perry a lot too
i cant wait to see his combine, if he can play standing up then he might be the pick. but i just think Upshaw will be a value if he drops to 16. you never know, they could trade back toa late 1st and pick up Perry if hes still on the board.
if we're drafting Perry.
I want us trading back for him, and then trading up into the late 1st to get Curry.
No
No tradeups, even to get Curry. The Jets simply cannot afford to trade up this year. When will you guys wise up? That is NOT the way to build a team. It’s stupid.
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There's nothing wrong with trading up for an elite prospect on your radar
or a guy you think will be a great player. The issue is with stripping the whole roster of picks for vets and mid-round trade ups. If you think there’s a falling star, trading up is not a bad idea.
No, Not As Long
as it’s a relatively isolated event, but it IS awful as a regular way of adding talent. If you don’t believe me, do some research. Look at how this year’s Niners, Steelers, Ravens, Pats & Giants were put together. Look at some of the great teams of history. You don’t see all those trade ups and for good reason. It’s idiotic. It strips your team of depth, creates holes, and creates a roster with a few stars and a bunch of jags. If Tanny isn’t good enough to add great talent and build a solid team, then he isn’t good enough to be the Jets’ GM. Period.
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Of course you want to maximize your picks
A relatively good success rate + lots of picks = deep roster, that said if you think a guy will be special, you go get him. Imagine how the course of football history if the Niners don’t trade up for Jerry Rice and he falls into the laps of the Dallas Cowboys? Or if the Cowboys don’t give up a late 3rd round pick to move up 4 spots to get Emmitt Smith? Both Hall of Famers, both identified as players worthy of trading up for. Same thing with Darrelle Revis. Those types of trade ups are good.
Not Necessarily
that said if you think a guy will be special, you go get him.
Once every 5-10 years or so, fine, but not two years out of three or as often as Tanny has. There are “special” players in every draft. By your logic the Jets should trade up every year, adding only 2 players per year. After 5 years, they’d only have 10 starters (if that) and JAGS or FS at the rest of the starting and backup positions. By the time they made their way through the entire roster and got 22 starters out of the draft, it would be time to start all over again, because some of the players would have retired or been injured and out of the NFL.
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Any logic seems bad when you put it on an extreme slippery slope like you are doing
Obviously if you pick mid teens to 20’s yearly you can’t trade up into the top 5 every year. But giving up some assets to secure a player you think will be huge? Yeah, every so often it’s ok to do that. Especially for a quarterback. It’s the trading up for Shonn Greene’s and the trading picks for short term vet players that’s the truly bad part.
by J-Nasty on Feb 20, 2012 8:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK
We at last have common ground and agree. The slippery slope isn’t mine, however, it’s Tanny’s. He is the one who has traded up so often not me. In the 6 drafts he has run, he has had fewer draft picks than any other team in the NFL, and I don’t think it’s even close. He has traded up in 4 of the drafts I believe, and in two of them traded up multiple times. On top of that, he has traded picks for older veteran players who had more expensive contracts and probably wouldn’t be with the team as long as a well-chosen draft pick.
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