Potential Jets: Jason Campbell
by John B on Feb 1, 2012 10:25 AM EST
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When looking at realistic quarterback options for the Jets to pursue, I think Jason Campbell of the Raiders should be at the top of the list. The 30 year old is not a franchise quarterback. He would probably not be an available free agent if he was. He is an adequate quarterback, though.
Campbell is not necessarily a guy who will hit really difficult passes for huge gains. He can hit enough to move the chains, though, and give a passing game credibility. He has a career completion percentage of 60.8% and a passer rating of 82.8. Just as significantly, he protects the football. His 2.3% interception rate ranks him in a tie for sixth all time. The ideal situation would be for the Jets to have a dynamic passing game. What the Jets need at a minimum is simply a credible passing game that does not turn the ball over and gives the defense a chance to control the game. Campbell can do that. As an added bonus, going back to his college career, he has had a new offensive coordinator almost every year so he is adept at learning new offenses quickly.
Campbell probably wants a starting job, but he frankly is probably not good enough for some team to just hand him one, particularly coming off a broken collarbone which ended his 2011 season in October.
In some of these posts regarding quarterbacks in the past, I have noticed some imply guys like Campbell would not be interested to come in and be the backup. I am not suggesting he should be the backup. I think he (or any other quarterback) should be put on equal footing with Mark Sanchez and be given a chance to win the job if he plays better in camp and preseason. If Sanchez is not better than a middle of the pack guy like Campbell by his fourth year, he should not be the starting quarterback for the New York Jets. This team is ready to win now. If Sanchez is not going to be able to carry his share of the load, the Jets need to be able to plug in a guy who can.
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Agree
Cambell has always been good at protecting the ball-he is an ideal QB if you are committed to " ground and pound."
Absolutely
Now I don’t know Jason Campbell or anything but everything I’ve ever heard and read about him is how hard he works and all that stuff. He’s basically been in a qb competition every year so unlike Sanchez nothing was ever given to him. He was a first round pick and so he’s obviously talented enough. And everyone talks about Alex Smith never having the same oc since he’s been in the league but this has been the case for Campbell going back to his days at auburn where he had a different coach every year he was there. And again he won’t turn the ball over and he’s a mobile guy like Sanchez. I’d love to see him come in and compete with Sanchez for the starting job, and if Sanchez can’t beat him out then we know we need to move on.
by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Feb 1, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
100% Bring him in
Ive always liked Campbell…except for the fact the he wore a puca bead neck less and a horrible mustash with the Skins lol But he was be an great option to run a Sparano offense. That said, i think even if we bring him in, Mark should start the season even with a less the perfect training camp and preseason as long as hes looks like hes still progressing.
Not going to happen
He wants to start guaranteed. Sorry to bust bubbles. After seeing how many Pin coaches we got without hesitation, my guess is we see Henne as the back up. (not that I’m rooting for that).
Im not sure
Campbell is one of those QBs that impress in camp and then make you scratch your head on Sunday, if they bring him in Im sure he will outduel Sanchez in TC but is he the answer we are looking for as a starter? I guess I will take the wait and see approach on this one.
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Idk man, I'm torn on this one.
I like Campbell, think he’s a good player that’s gotten a lot of raw deals. I think he’s too good to take on as a backup.
If we’re gonna bring a guy like Campbell in, we might as well cut Sanchez. Campbell won’t be cheap and we could use the cash elsewhere. Why dole out all that dough to a guy who’s supposed to be on the bench if all goes the way its supposed to?
I think Sanchez has earned at least one more year. I don’t think bringing a guy like Campbell in behind him would be helpful at all. All it would do is create circus and have people calling for Mark’s benching after every errant throw. And if a switch IS made, Campbell will receive the same treatment as soon as he threw a pick.
I’m all for chopping Mark’s head off for a guy like Peyton. I don’t think I could support his beheading for Jason Campbell. But if that move was made, I wouldn’t be all doom and gloom about it either.
I don’t think we should spend 5m+ on a QB when we already have one, and when we need to find a safety ASAP.
by Crackback on Feb 1, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i agree
I totally agree, why throw out the “franchise” player for a non-star. This guy got run out of Washington. And now maybe Oakland. He has never been to the playoffs. If its not for a top 10 guy then keep Sanchez and fix the people around him. The FO is not going to just eat all the money invested in Sanchez, especially not for another replaceable QB.
Good Post
I’m not sure I could get on board with the Manning thing, but otherwise I agree with everything else you said. As you said, this team needs S help and help at RT. If they sign Campbell, we can forget about getting help in FA at either position.
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One Thing I Forgot
There is one train of thought where I think Campbell would make sense…as insurance. Since QB is THE most important position on any team, if Campbell would agree to come as a backup, then he would be insurance in case Sanchez struggles in Sparano’s offense, doesn’t show major improvement or gets a major injury. If any of those scenarios were to occur, then Sanchez’ days in NY are probably numbered. I’d want someone like Campbell starting for the rest of the season, and would also want him here to mentor the next QB the Jets take in the draft. With him at QB, the Jets wouldn’t HAVE to panic and overpay to find their next franchise QB in the 2013 draft. They could afford to wait until 2014 or even 2015 if there’s not a QB they like well enough or can’t reach a reasonable trade agreement with another team to move up for the new QB.
He’s also still young enough and good enough, that the Jets could conceivably win a SB with him at QB. He’s certainly better than Trent Dilfer imo.
What do you think about that train of thought, crack?
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I agree, in a sense...
Its a great point and a shrewd move, but it will only be smiled upon if Sanchez does indeed get injured, imo.
If Sanchez stays upright, and we fail to make it to the big game, everybody is gonna be up in arms about us wasting our resources.
Plus pressuring Sanchez to perform may do more harm than good. The last thing we want is this kid living and dying with every throw.
I thin you have to decide whether Sanchez is the guy. Its the one position that you can’t be wishy washy about. The QB needs to be confident that he’s the guy, and the whole team needs to know that he’s the guy. Bringing an equal divides the team and the fanbase, imo.
If Sanchez isn’t the guy, then by all means roll with Campbell, and do like u say and see if he’s good enough to win while the next guy is being groomed.
by Crackback on Feb 1, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
I agree that Sanchez doesn’t need to be pushed by competition. That idea seems silly to me. Either he’s the guy or he isn’t. The Jets don’t need a QB controversy on top of everything else.
You’re also right that if the Jets did sign Campbell and then couldn’t sign a vet RT or S, and the draft picks at one or both of those positions didn’t pan out, that some Jets fans would be screaming about the “waste of resources.” I think everyone acknowledges that the Jets need a veteran backup however, and preferably one of quality. If Campbell was signed, it would have to be clear that he was coming in to be the “backup” and to help mentor Sanchez. Sanchez would have to play his way out of the starter’s position and it would take more than a few games to do that, although if Sanchez started poorly Jets fans would be screaming for Campbell to play/start. It’s actually a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.” If the Jets don’t have a viable backup and Sanchez struggles or goes down with a major injury, Tanny and Rex will get crucified. If they bring in Campbell while ignoring other needs and the Jets don’t show much improvement, some will kill them for that, particularly if Campbell winds up playing and doesn’t play that well. The one scenario where I think Jets fans would be happy is if Sanchez falters or gets injured and Campbell steps in and plays very well, leading the Jets back to the playoffs. Then they’d look like geniuses and have a good starter for the next 4-5 seasons, which would allow them time to groom his replacement with no pressure.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tyler
To JoeK and Crack......4 or 5 Max.
That’s all we can afford next year…..losses to make the playoffs. So having that 2nd QB on the roster for 2012 is going to be as an important decision as what we are doing at RT and S for the Jets this off season. To give you an example of this case in point take a look at the Chicago Bears season. Week 12 and the Playoff bound Bears put Jay Cutler – QB on IR and then proceed to watch their season totally unravel with their unsupporting cast of 2nd & 3rd string QBs etc. so that they lost their way out of the playoffs. So JoeK. covered that scenario about having Campbell in place for that reason. We’ve seen it here what happens when we don’t have a credible back-up in place. See Vinny T. going down with ruptured Achilles Tendon. A very good team see’s season disappear before there eyes. Is that what we want again. Can we afford to wait till 2013 to start again on a QB?
What if Sanchez can’t get it right with Sparano’s offense? I personally think he will. But if he can’t are we willing to let 2012 fall away because we weren’t willing to properly invest in this position. I mean seriously you have to agree we have been running on borrowed time the last two years with Brunnel as a back-up. If he was at all capable he would have seen some snaps this year or even a start but Rex is smarter than that.
So I’m just saying as a somewhat cautious Jet…let’s not overlook this position’s importance to the team. It’s alot like insurance. Yes it costs up front and you bitch about it. But when there’s an accident or a need you are dam glad you have a policy that covers your ass in these situations.
So my question to you gentlemen is if we had to pic a capable back-up who would you choose: Jason Campbell or David Garrard ?
"It's only through change we learn to grow".
I'd rather tank the season if my starter went down for the year.
Yeah, the Bears had to eat it for a year when Cutler went down, but there’s everybody understands that they lost their starting QB and not a lot is expected of the team after that. So you eat the down year and get great draft slotting and position yourself more favorably for improvement for the future.
If you have your answer at QB, then losing a season to injury isn’t really a bad thing over the long term.
There’s going to be a drop off when the back-up is forced into action anyway, and if that guy is good enough to win games, then he’s probably good enough to start somewhere and will likely demand to be compensated accordingly. Why tie up resources in a guy that, in theory, should never see the field? Especially when you can allocate those resources towards a position that can have a direct and profound impact at keeping your starter healthy.
And if there’s a question about whether or not the starter is the guy, then its even better to tank the season. Then you can divorce him from the fanbase and move on without any backlash.
I’d much rather roll with a mid-to-late-round draft pick as the back-up and hope to get lucky enough to catch lightning in a bottle if he steps in.
I'm a Little Surprised, Shocked Even
I never thought I’d see you say that you’d rather tank the season. Yes, if Sanchez can’t play well in Sparano’s offense or suffers a serious injury, then it will be time to move on to a new QB, so tanking the season would get you in better position to acquire that new QB.
But as we discussed earlier in this thread, Campbell could quite possibly step in, save the season and lead the team to the SB, give the team a couple more seasons of solid QB play, and give the team time to find and less pressure to develop their new franchise QB. That would be one of the best moves the team could possibly make.
Injuries are a fact of life in the NFL, particularly at the QB spot. You can never have enough QBs. What if SF had taken that philosophy about not tieing up resources in an excellent backup QB back in the 80s? They wouldn’t have had the dynasty continued with Steve Young.
If Sanchez struggles in Sparano’s offense or doesn’t show any real improvement, there will be no problems with fans divorcing him and being ready to move on. There would be little backlash, and in fact if Campbell was able to step in, play at a high level and save the season, the fans and rest of the NFL would be praising Tanny for having the foresight to have Campbell.
“Hope” and “luck” don’t belong in any conversation regarding a team’s fortunes, QB position or roster building imo, and am surprised to see you use them. Who are you and what have you done with crack? LOL
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No Question
Campbell. NOT Garrard.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tyler
Thanks to both of you for responding to my post……you are great guys here and I truly enjoy reading your thoughts along with a select group of others that includes John B. I learn alot from you both….although Crack sometimes can get a tad emotional per above in his replies….lol.
Thanks again from the Great White North….
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we need a ligtimate back-up!
Everybody agrees that we need someone that can take over if Sanchez fails, I think Campbell is the guy. He should not be that very expensive and he probably won’t ask for a bunch of money because where would he go? I don’t want Henne because i don’t think he can carry a team. The guy sucks!! I want someone who i can have confidence on getting the job done. The reason why he got run out of Washington because they have idoits running thier front office. Either Campbell or Brady Quinn.
bleed green and white
by greenandwhite4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions
Here's the problem...
Campbell got paid 4.5 million last year with our cap situation would you rather have that money invested in a back up QB or a starting RT or SS to replace Smith or Hunter or hell even half a pay check for Mario Williams.
by RhodesRocks on Feb 1, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good Post
Spot on. I just don’t think the Jets can afford Campbell.
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You Want Someone You Can Have Confidence In
but want Brady Quinn? How can you be confident in him? IMO he has been awful in the NFL. The only thing I think he’s capable of carrying is a clipboard, not a team. What do you see in him? I’m not being smart, just curious. What have I missed?
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Yeah, I don’t really get the Quinn love myself. He’s been a total bust so far and couldn’t cut it with two teams with ugly QB situations.
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I prefer Kyle Orton to Campbell.
I think he would put more pressure on Sanchez, and would be a better option as a starter if he does beat out Sanchez. I’ve never been sold on Campbell based on his game performances.
YEP,Yep and DOUBLE HELL YEEEPP!!!!!
Orton would do great in our system, hes a proven passer that has had a couple pretty good seasons under his belt, Kyle Orton definetly gets my vote to come into training camp
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Orton Would Most Likely Be
more expensive than Campbell. There’s no way the Jets could even consider Orton. I think you need to forget about him. I just don’t think he’s a realistic option.
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I Voted Yes But
I think he may be too expensive for the Jets. If they can sign him, I doubt they’ll be able to sign anyone else.
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agreed.
He can’t be the face of the Jets. He could be a very good backup to keep Sanchez in check.
by nyj-nyy-nyk on Feb 1, 2012 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why?
Why would they lose a lot of fans if they signed Campbell? Why would it be a huge mistake? Please clarify.
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The Jets are "ready to win now"?
and “we should bring in Jason Campbell”?
We are as delusional(and short term thinking) as our coach, GM, and owner.
I suggest we go back to point A and rethink our entire approach to putting a team together.
Seriously?
You think this team is in rebuilding mode?
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Seriously?
You think this team is anywhere near going to a Superbowl now? That’s delusional.
The crazy free agency approach to building a team while trading away our draft picks lead to a short term boom to our prospects, but now we’re left with the hangover…no depth and a lot of holes.
I don't see us bringing him in
he wouldn’t wanna come here, and the organization probably wouldn’t put mark in a legit one on one battle with someone else. I think we should bring in someone, but I don’t think we’re gonna bring in Campbell.
I really don't get the love for Jason Campbell on this board
He’s just not a very good QB. Some people say they don’t want Chad Henne because he can’t carry a team. Well, neither can Jason Campbell. He seems like a nice guy and I’ve always felt bad for him because I thought the expectations for him were too high, but he is not the answer.
He hasn’t accomplished a single thing as a QB in this league.
If he wants a guarantee that he’ll start he’s being delusional.
I actually think he’d be a decent backup, capable of winning a game or two in case of an emergency, but the idea that this guy can or should be in a QB competition with Sanchez is crazy.
If watching his performance in the league isn’t enough to convince you of this, consider this chilling note: If we signed him and put him in a QB competition with Sanchez, Redskins fans would be laughing at us. That’s right, Redskins fans.
I still don’t get why everyone in this league has completely given up on David Garrard.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Garrard
is kinda old, just had back surgery, and was apparently outplayed by Luke McCown in training camp, and was cut as a result.
But does anyone believe the Jaguars know what they're doing?
I’d bet on Garrard before Campbell
He’d be a quality backup who could push Sanchez by being a threat to start since he’s been a good starter in this league, but who fans won’t be clamoring for the second Marky Mark tossing his first INT
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Campbell Has Been 3X the QB than Garrard Has Been
Garrard had one pretty good season. He’s very erratic. Campbell is much more consistent and steady. He doesn’t beat himself with dumb mistakes. As others have pointed out, he’s had a lot of OCs and HCs during his career. IMO he’s the best FA QB out there.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tyler
Which is why he has a better career passer rating than Campbell
Not to mention a higher completion percentage
And Campbell has fumbled more in fewer games.
Campbell is also not exactly known for his ability to score touchdowns.Garrard is known for not making mistakes. I don’t know where you get erratic.
And Garrard is a better runner.
Garrard is better than Campbell is just about every way. Campbell isn’t very good at anything.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Comparison
in 6 seasons with 71 starts, Campbell has thrown 73 TDs and 50 interceptions. He has fumbled 46 times. He has thrown for 14,417 yards and had a QB rating of 82.8.
in 9 seasons with 76 starts, Garrard has thrown 89 TD and 54 interceptions. He has fumbled 44 times. He has thrown for 16,003 yards and had a QB rating of 85.8.
On the surface, they are close. When you consider that Campbell has played for numerous OCs and HCs, and for a couple of different teams, his stats seem pretty good. Garrard on the other hand, has played his whole career in Jacksonville, and I believe with the same OC and much of the same offensive players around him in the same system.
Garrard’s stats are getting worse instead of better. Over his last 3 seasons, he fumbled 32 times (7, 14 and 11 in his most recent) and threw 38 interceptions (13, 10, 15) compared with 53 TDs. In terms of career accuracy, he is at 61.6%. He is also several years older.
Campbell on the other hand has gotten better. Over his last 3 seasons, he has fumbled 25 times (13, 9, 3 most recent ) and thrown 27 interceptions (15, 8, 4 most recent) compared with 39 TDs. Campbell is at 60.8% career accuracy.
Campbell is improving with age and becoming more consistent. Garrard is getting worse.
Also, the eyeball test. I think Campbell has looked much better, more poised and more in command than Garrard in recent years.
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cambel as a backup yes.
I’m not sold on an open competition. I think Sanchez should have the starters job when training camp starts and it be his to lose. HOWEVER, I think that if a guy like Cambell, Henne or someone else comes in and lights it up and Sanchez sucks, then you can make the change in preseason or during the regular season. IE, its sanchez’s job to lose, but we have a guy to actually threaten Sanchez and take over if he goes to hell.
I don’t think this is too unreasonable.
i dont think we should go after him
everyone wants to talk about Sanchez and his bad decision making, but did anyone see the Oakland game vs the Pats this past season? where Campbell tried to throw the ball away out of the end zone and he threw it for an INT instead…
no thank you.
I'm assuming a "Potential Jets:Kyle Orton" is on the way
I highly doubt Kyle Orton would want to be a backup here. I think he’ll only want to start. Honestly, I think he is currently better than Sanchez, but I don’t think the FO is gonna give Sanchez’s job away right now.
He's not better than Sanchez
He’s better at going up an down the field, but not at scoring. In the end Sanchez gives us the best chance to win by far.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Perfect Backup is
Chad Pennington – if he can throw of course.
Not only would he be able to come in and win a few games, but he could help coach Sanchize on the sideline.
Have to agree – I DO NOT understand the Jason Campbell love. He seems like a nice guy, but he’s not a quality stater. He’s a good backup in the NFL. I’d beshocked if he cost a lot of $$. He’s coming off an injury.
I’d prefer Garrard over Campbell.
Orton’s not coming here he’s going to start in KC. & Don’t want Matt Castle if he gets cut.
Quinn’s a BUM. DON’T want him at all.
Scared Henne will be the backup when everything is said & done.
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Perfect Quarterback Coach - Chad Pennington.....sign now please.
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THANK YOU
I said pretty much the same exact thing above.
I don’t know where people on this board got the idea that he’s a quality starting QB. He’s just not.
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