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Counterpoint: The case to bring back LT for one more year.

First off, before getting into the argument I'll explain my position. Do I want LT back? Honestly I'm 50-50. Do I want a first round RB? Hell no, not with so many other needs on this team and RB being a strong point. But that's not the point of the post, here's my reasons for bringing him back for one more year.

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1) LEADERSHIP: We've all heard the problem with the Jets of no veteran leadership. So why get rid of one of the best leaders on the Jets? LT has filled in for T-Rich as the go to guy for pregame rallies and is generally considered one of the leaders. Also, he was the one who called out Holmes in the game and later ripped him in the media. He is well respected and a good source for Powell or Mcknight to learn from as they move into their primes. That's the best argument the Jet can use for keeping him, he is one of our only leaders on the team.

2 ) COST: Simply put LT would be cheaper than most options. A first round pick would cost a lot more than bringing back LT plus the pick should be used elsewhere, where we really need it. LT I would expect to accept another 1 year under 2 million dollar deal. Considering the market for backs this year he would be a cheaper investment and someone to keep in house.

3) HE STILL IS A GOOD BACK: Let me clarify....when used in the right role. He is no longer a game changer every down back. Shonn Greene although not flashy, is our every down back. ( A solid one who grinds out the tough yards.) LT has shown a good burst in the hole and is and excellent screen back. Speaking of skills he brings, he is a very good back when it comes to pass protection. In several games he had long runs and while hes not a home run threat anymore, he can still break off 20 yard plus runs. (Personally and this is my opinion, I think everyone has fallen in love with a back that breaks off highlight runs, I'd rather a guy to move the chains consistently like LT has done this year)

4) Joe Mcknight: If we bring back LT, I really think it will help Mcknight into his role. Mcknight (again my opinion) needs about a half year to really become a great number 2 back. I believe given time he will eventually take over the role from LT. I would love to see LT split time with Mcknight and tutor him and eventually turn over the role. In the meantime it really allows us to slowly integrate Mcknight into the offense instead of throwing him in the fire.

5) Championship: So this may be a stretch, but LT wants that trophy badly. If your recall that's why he came to the Jets, he believed that they gave him the best chance to get it. I want a guy who wants it that bad on my team. When the going gets tough, LT never gave up, (cough cough) but actually went all out against Miami. While it may not be a huge thing to some people, I personally value this attribute very high.

He probably won't be back but considering all he can bring to the Jets, I would not be too upset if they brought him back for one more year.

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I'd sign him back for one more year...

Hopefully mark can convince L.T, like Big ben convinced bettis to come back.

by jets4life24 on Jan 9, 2012 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

once we get our OC situation clear and address the need of a proven RT

sure LT will gladly come back if he sees improvement and a chance for SB

by MetalVagabond on Jan 9, 2012 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

1 more yr

Greene, McKnight, LT, Powell……nice group and it leaves us room to improve in the places we need a hell of a lot more(S,RT, pass rush)

by Jetkid13 on Jan 9, 2012 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

LT for one year makes sense

My first post guys so go easy on me.

Good post spOrtsfan86! I agree with with jetskid13 about our needs (RT, passrushing OLB, and safety) in that order.

by JoeyJet on Jan 9, 2012 9:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

welcome joey

if its for you it won't pass you

by tinley24 on Jan 9, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you and welcome to GGN.

I totally agree with our needs. Add a backup QB to that list after safety and were on the same page.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Great first post Joey

welcome to GGN.

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by Bro Namath on Jan 10, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome to GGN

I think you’ll like it here. It’s a civil place and there are lots of great people posting here.

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– Yefim Novikov

by joeklecko on Jan 10, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats was an excellent post

"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero

by 2xtheBully on Jan 10, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

good post

i think your spot on when you say mcknight might need a little bit more time but i’d also like to see what powell can do .

if its for you it won't pass you

by tinley24 on Jan 9, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree.

Powell is a huge question mark at this point. I haven’t seen anything that screams he can acutally be a NFL’er but than again I haven’t seen much of him at all. If your this uncertain maybe LT would be the perfect 3rd back until Powell is ready.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree

I’ve been thinking reasons 2, 3 and 4 for a while and you also make excellent points with the other two!!!

by J-E-T-S T-I-M on Jan 9, 2012 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Uncertain.

Just thinking that LT could possibly take the roster spot for someone who may out perform Shonn Greene. Is it just me, or does he still seem like he’s not elite back material. I hope he breaks out, but it just seems like he doesn’t have those long runs he did the second half of his rookie season and when he was splitting time as a second back. With that said, at least LT can catch the ball… Shonn can’t catch a cold in his birthday suit at the North Pole while drinking frozen eggnog with Santa.

by eddie0102 on Jan 9, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

As I said he’s no longer anywhere near an elite back. I still see him as a solid number 2 RB… or a perfect third down guy if Mcknight is ready to step up. LT still has a burst but its no longer what it was.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta give the young guys a chance

Bill Powell and McKnight have yet to prove themselves. If McKnight gets more carries with Greene leading the ground and pound, the running attack could really do some damage. Throw in LT as a team leader and mentor to the young RB’s who still has some gas in the tank and a huge desire to win. If they’re not gonna give Powell a chance then why is he on the roster? Let’s see what he’s capable of doing. The Jets have always been hesitant to let certain players prove themselves. Let’s what this entire Rb group can really do with a good OC and a reliable right tackle in the mix.

by JoeyJet on Jan 9, 2012 10:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Mcknight's ready

The guy is dangerous with the ball in his hands. Signing LT back for another year will reduce Mcknight’s touches. While having LT’s smarts could be useful fo Mcknight, the best way to learn is on the job experience. That’s also why we have coaches (I also dont agree if they want to bring back Brunell another year in any other position than quarterbacks coach – although LT can still ball and Brunell cant)

by Charles Zami on Jan 9, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree… however Mcknight if we brought LT back would be the 2nd guy if hes ready. If not, than LT can take over the second back and bring Mcknight in when we need a home run or want to really test a defense.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

NO to LT for another year

if he wants to stay on as a leadership role/confidant in the locker room thats fine but the only thing that will happen by bringing LT back is hinder Mcknights developement and playing time, I for one want to see Mcknight as our feature HB next season, hes fast and has good hands, more of a dual threat than Shonn Greene…NO to LT

"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"

by AFCxxBEAST on Jan 9, 2012 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

more of a dual threat over shonn greene yes

who I’d want being the starter… Shonn Greene. still think mcknight is a year away from potentially being a number one back.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

No more LT, he has little burst

Enough with needing to keep aging players around to be leaders. Its time for Sanchez to step up and take over. McKnight should also be ready to take over now and Greene is not an every down back. Jets need to get younger and quicker. Thanks for your contributions LT, but its time to move on.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 10, 2012 2:17 AM EST reply actions  

I dont agree with the little burst.

He still has a burst to make a play out of nothing. One run in Miami showed us that. Now is he elite/home run threat: No and No. Can you explain your reasoning for why Greene is not an everydown back outside of injury issues? I’m really curious as to what the big issue is with the fans and him.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

LT simply doesnt have an extra gear

Football is a young mans game, especially the RB position. Jets need a game breaker at the RB position. Sure, Greene has had some moments but when I think elite back, he doesn’t come to mind at all. Sure I’ll take him over a guy like Cedric Benson but he isn’t the guy we thought he was going to be after the 09 playoffs. I’m not saying to dump him but I wouldn’t hand him the RB job in 2012. After this seasons debacle, there are few guys that should just be handed starting jobs.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 10, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

With so many other needs

We do not need to bring in a game breaker. Mcknight is your home run threat and Greene will pound out the tough yards to do it. Most of the great backs had a guy who would soften the defense. I know the temptation is to get a guy who is the highlight reel back, but most of them get hurt. LT and AP are the exceptions of course. Foster was hurt this year, CJ was awful for most of it, and DMC was hurt again. MY biggest concern is Greene gets injured too frequently for my liking. I think if Mcknight isn’t ready for becoming an every other down back then we need a backup if Greene gets hurt.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong, Im not advocating picking another RB in the draft

I want McKnight getting more touches and Id like the GM to possibly uncover an undrafted gem. Not asking for too much,lol.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 10, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

No to LT

He had a great career, but it’s time to go. Holding onto him only impedes the development of McKnight. For what he now offers, little more than a good receiver out of the backfield and good blitz pickups, we should be able to find a decent 3rd down back in the later rounds of the draft for much less money. As far as leadership goes, enough with the Brunells and Trevor Pryces. It’s a young man’s game — we can’t afford too many roster spots being taken up by ‘on the field coaches" and “great locker room presences”. If we need leadership, it’s time for Sanchez to step up. If he can’t or won’t, best to know it now and move on to a new QB.

by Smackdad on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 AM EST reply actions  

Ironic... locker room presence is exactly what the team was lacking this year.

I agree with you about the late rounder though if the Jets did get rid of LT. Although I’m still hoping Powell can figure something out.
Again, LT main role would be to eventually cede to Mcknight. And unlike Brunell, LT can still play. Watch the Miami game and he had some real nice runs in there. Maybe not highlight reel, but enough to move the chains frequently.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Not for nothing but LT was on this years team, where was the leadership?

Seems to me the only thing LT did was call out guys after the season was finished and he pretty much knew he was a goner. Saying some dumb thing before the game in the huddle doesnt make a guy a leader. If it did, Brett Favre’s “I love you guys” crap in 08 before the final game wouldve meant something too, right?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 10, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I see what your saying but:

That proves my point in this way: Why get rid of the one guy who was a leader when you know there are no others.
still a great counter point.

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 10, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell no to Tomlinson. Make that HELL NO!!!

We need to stop all the bullshit and keep guys here and play them because we like them. No more. If you stink, you’re gone. Tomlinson, Hunter, Smith, Leonard, Bart Scott, Powell, Scotty McKnight… This is about winning football games, not playing favorites. Enough of the nonsense.

Tomlinson stinks. For every run/catch he makes Greene/McKnight could have done much better. And they’re not more than mediocre.

Greene should not be starting. He leaves tons of yards on the field that a real back wouldn’t. And Greene is FAR better than Tomlinson at this point. If Greene got injured and we were stuck giving Tomlinson a significant increase in touches, I’d be the first person on the “Fire REx and Tanny Bandwagon.”

The Jets are not here to win Tomlinson a championship!!! Eff him and his career. He had his chances. And eff Jimmy Leonard, and eff Eric Smith and Bart Scott. Eff all those guys. We need players.

And enough of the leadership nonsense. Its silly. Leadership doesn’t win/lose games. Plays win/lose games. We lost games because we Hunter can’t block for shit. We lost games because our safeties can’t cover for shit. We lost games because we have a mediocre (at best) QB and mediocre RBs. Good leaders don’t do shit for bad players. We don’t need leaders, we need players. And Tomlinson isn’t a player any more.

by Crackback on Jan 10, 2012 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

LOL

I saw the subject line and knew it was you, buddy.

I disagree with you regarding leadership and have mixed feelings regarding LT. I’d rather have a faster, younger back, but as evidenced by the locker room and play this season, this team needs veteran leaders who are calming influences and good guys. They don’t come any better than LT in that regard.

"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."

– Yefim Novikov

by joeklecko on Jan 10, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much in agreement with Crack

I do agree that leadership is important though. And if they dont come any better than LT in that regard, why the hell is everyone saying this team suffered from a lack of leadership this season? Last I checked, LT was on the team this year.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 10, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

This Might be a Business, BUT

Players care about the loyalty that the teams have to their players. That’s why we dealt with the crap a few years back when the Jets signed a ton of free agents instead of taking care of their own first.

LT is vital to chemistry and if he is willing to be 75% coach/mentor 25% player, he would be extremely beneficial. At this point, especially on offense, it’s all about Sanchez. Find out what he wants and what will help him be successful. Someone posted about Braylon Edwards and I think Sanchez needs another receiver like Braylon. If Sanchez wants more one year with LT because it makes him feel more comfortable, and he thinks he can help McKnight become a great No. 2 back, then sign him. He showed us that he clearly has some juice left if he is used properly, and we all know about his nose for the endzone.

I couldn’t disagree more Crackback: when a player steps out of line and hurts the team, someone needs to step up and put him in his place so they can focus on playing and winning. Even if the leader doesn’t have to do anything because everything is going well, his presence and the fact that he is there is what matters. Just look at Ray Lewis and the Ravens… he has clearly lost a step and the team is getting to the point where they might be better without him, but his leadership and knowledge of the game is unmatched and the Ravens know they need that right now. Someone like Wayne Hunter, Eric Smith, and probably Bart Scott, don’t offer what LT does so they are worth releasing or not re-signing. Leonhard should be back but as a coach.

As for Powell and Scotty McKnight, do you know anything about football? These guys were rookies with limited, if any, opportunities to prove themselves. Every team has players like this, who they hope will develop into contributors… a la Victor Cruz… I bet the Giants are glad they didn’t write him off immediately. I know every player won’t end up like that, but every team has those cheap players that won’t contribute that they are trying to develop. Teams don’t get rid of fourth round picks (Powell) after one season…

The Jets and now the Eagles have shown that you can’t just sign players and push everyone together and have success. Certain guys, LT and Leonhard, help the transition from the guys that get brought to the team.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose

by dhrodgers52 on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

LT is not the LT of prime years

Look players are people too, and they get older, it is bound to happen…BUT AT LEAST LT CAN STILL CONTRIBUTE! if used properly in a limited role he contributes alot. This team lacks leadership and LT is respected by players. It should be Sanchez, I agree it should be but its not. Deal with it. Why did people laugh when W Hunter called out Tone in Miami…W Hunter is a joke even if the message was true…same w/ Sanchez (yes its true but to a lesser degree)
To be an EFFECTIVE leader in a physical sport your actions have to back up your leadership skill not the other way around. Keep LT there is more to football than what is on the field, and the lack of ability to gel is what showed on the field this [past] year.
It all starts with Shotty taking a walk (or a run) off the team and then McKnights development does NOT suffer it is enhanced. Someone said if LT takes a 75 mentor 25% player role…and that person was absolutly correct.
We have more important things to worry about (Safety, RT, OLB in that order) Keeping LT makes sence in so many ways

by willmpk on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

LT isn't retiring.

He doesn’t want to be on the Jets anymore. He want’s a championship and we don’t have the ability to get him one unless we really improve this off season.

I'm gonna keep trying for what i want and on here it's to be a staff writer for any team in the NFL on SBNation.

by sanchise6 on Jan 10, 2012 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

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