The playoffs are showing you what you have in Mark Sanchez
by manuvsteal on Jan 9, 2012 8:33 AM EST
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PrintI get tired of defending Mark Sanchez. It's overkill sometimes, but still I will fight the good fight. All you guys that kick a guy when he's down, or complain about all the other young QB's that would have done a better job with the Jets, I'll give a non biased (as possible for me) of the young QB's that are Sanchez's peers that are in the playoffs. Some of these guys have been listed in recent posts I've read as guys that are examples of how bad your own Mark Sanchez is.
Next game up. Bengals at Texans. Battle of the rookie QB"s. I've also read from numerous guys about how easy it is for a rookie QB to do well these days in the NFL. "Just look at Cam Newton and Andy Dalton" is the first line out of everyone's mouth. Well here's Andy Dalton. Rookie QB, with 1st round #4 pick AJ Green. Andy's Bengals go down 31-10 to the Houston Texans. If you remember, Mark has beaten the Colts, Bengals, Patriots, and Chargers, all in road playoff games. In Dalton's 1st go round he goes 27 of 42 with 3 INT's. Zero TD's. For the year Dalton goes 58% completion rate (similar to Mark Sanchez), is this guy the future of the Bengals? I don't doubt it. Is he better, or going to be better than Sanchez? There's no doubt in my mind that Sanchez is a better QB than Dalton.
Next game up. Lions at Saints. This game is a biggie, because it highlights the Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman draft. Lions lose to the Saints. Stafford, despite his big year is 0-1 in the playoffs, again Sanchez is 4-2. Many of you are no doubt going to say that Stafford doesn't play defense and his team put 28 points on the board. This is where I will counter that by telling you look at how they did it. Stafford threw the ball 43 times, 15 of them went to Calvin Johnson. 12 of those Johnson caught. In fact, of Stafford's 380 yards passing 211 of them went to Calvin Johnson. The point being is that nearly half his throws and half his TD's are going to the best WR in football in Calvin Johnson. Andre Johnson is the best in the AFC, while Calvin is the best in the NFC, and he has been doing it for 3 years running. Stafford is 0-1 in the playoffs, he has the best and easiest target to throw to. He is 0-1, Sanchez is 4-2. If you think Stafford is better, it's up for debate. Who would debate that Calvin Johnson is better than Santonio Holmes as a #1 option on offense?
Pittsburgh at Denver. Last game of this weekend. Roethlisburger who I've pointed out did not have a better year than Sanchez, plays the Tim Tebow Broncos. Many have questioned me when I said that Sanchez is on par with Roethlisberger. Many point to his super bowl rings and field command. Well this year he accounted for 21 TD's 14 INT's and 0 rushing TD's. He also fumbled 8 times this year. Sanchez accounted for 30+ TD's with 18 INT's and 10 fumbles. Who had the better year? I say Sanchez, but many of you say Big Ben. Why, I'm not sure. Stats are stats. Roethlisberger has the Steelers defense which is a top 5 year after year after year. He isn't counted on to be much more than a game manager and make some big plays in the playoffs. Well, when the Steelers came to Mile high to play the Broncos, they lost. In overtime to the Broncos. Sound familiar? Well it should because the Jets went to Denver and played the Broncos and lost in overtime. The difference being the Jets played in Denver on 4 days rest not including the day to travel to Denver which turns it to 3 days rest to practice, study film, and recover from the last game. The Jets had the game won, if not for the much discussed Eric Smith meltdown. The Steelers had to rally just to get to over time. For the game Big Ben was 22 of 40, or just barely over 50% for a TD and an INT.
My point being is this. Many have crapped on Mark Sanchez all year, and especially since the Jets have missed the playoffs. However, if you look across the board, every QB has faults. Big Ben is not accurate, and has a great defense every single year. Matt Stafford has the best WR in football (a 6'5 guy that runs a 4.3 and can catch). Matt Ryan has Julio Jones, Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez, and Michael Turner. Matt Shaub, even before injury has the best WR in the AFC in Andre Johnson, and a terrific running game. Philip Rivers has Vincent Jackson, Malcomb Floyd, Antonio Gates and has never won in the post season.
Despite the many detractor's of Sanchez, these things can't be debated. Does he have the receiving corps that the Falcons, Lions, Texans, Steelers, or Patriots have? I would expect some argument, but in my mind the Jets have no where near the talent across the board at WR and TE that many of these teams have when added up. He has a just out of jail Burress, a very good Dustin Keller, and a #2 Santonio Holmes that is used as a #1. I'm not going to bother looking this up, but I would argue that Holmes has never lead a team in receiving as a #1. He had Heath Miller, Hines Ward, and even Mike Wallace. Last year he had Braylon Edwards. He was always a #2.
So when you add it up, Mark Sanchez has gone to the playoffs and won 4 out of 6 playoff games, despite having the luxuries that some of these other guys had. Before we all bash him (we're all Jets fans), let's respect him for what he has given you. He has given you an expectation of reaching the playoffs that you never had before. You don't even realize it, but you never expected to make the playoffs every year with Chad Pennington, Vinny Testeverde, Browning Neagle, Boomer Esaison, Neil O'donnell, or even Kenny O'brien. Sanchez has queitly come in and given you solid quarterback play, although up and down.
He has given you the expectation that you will go to the playoffs. However you have all masked it as a good defense. Then it was masked as a good running game. Then it was masked as good coaching. It is none of these. The reason you even have a shot of going to the playoffs year after year, is because Mark Sanchez has stood in the pocket and scraped himself up after getting nailed by defensive ends and D tackles all year. Despite Von Miller, and Demarcus Ware continuiously punishing him. He hasn't been lost for the season, he has picked himself up and thrown 26 touchdowns, when most guys would be out for 2-4 weeks with injury. He gave you 6 TD's rushing.
He's taken physical punishment. He's taken fan and reporter harassment. This offseason, just watch the playoffs, and look at what you have. Watch the guys that you swear are better than Sanchez that lose playoff games because they don't have the heart that Sanchez has. Instead of petitioning for a new quarterback, instead petition for a real #1 wide receiver and a tackle that can keep your guy upright.
Here's to 2012 and Mark Sanchez making the pro bowl, and getting to the super bowl.
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I agree Sanchez was just about the only thing that improved on the team this year..
QB is the only positionwhere I would say our starters got better.
OLine- Way worse than last year, it was luke we were playing with 4 Oline men instead of 5 this year.
RB-Not much change…LT got a year older, greene was pretty much greene, McKnight improved a bit but we don’t really give him.the touches to see a differance.
WR-Lack of a deep threat killed us, holmes seemed not to give a shit 50% of the time, plax helped out in the red zone when wr could get there…
DL-got younger, which is good for the future but the line wasn’t dradticslly better this year and at times our inexperience showed.
LB- Pace had a decent year but he looks pretty slow out there. Harris and scott bith regressed, harris wasn’t bad but he wasn’t his usual David Harris good. Scott looked slow and like he shouldn’t even be starting sometimes. Maybin was a nice surprise and showed a lot of potential, so that was a plus.
S- We have Eric “I can’t cover my own grandma” Smith as a starter, nuff said.
CB- Revis was recis good but that’s not really sm improvement from last year. I would say that Cro and Wilson both improved. CB might have been the one other spot bedides QB where play was actually improved. Of course our safties were do bad we were always getting torched in coverage anyway.
So the fact that Sanchez’s stats improved behind a 4 man Oline, with a worse run game and WR corps says a lot about him. He got better when everything around him got worse..and even though some people fidn’t think he did enough or that he should have carried the team that’s crazy. He’s a young QB in his third year its unrealistic to deteriorate everything around him, have an OC that calls plays like a jackass and expect your third year QB to be superman and toss the team on his back.
by RhodesRocks on Jan 9, 2012 9:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We should Resign Wayne Hunter too.
he was awesome this year.
Eric Smith as well.
let’s give them extensions
I would much really have Terrelle Pyror
as my QB than Mark Sanchez
at least he didn’t cost a 5th overall pick, making 45 M over 5 years and at least Terrelle can see over the line of scrimmage.
I bet you didn’t think Cam Newton or RG III is good either
but Mark Sanchez is muy bueno
You'd rather have TP than Sanchez?
Wow. Just… wow.
by cult hero on Jan 9, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Newton is good
as for RG III who knows if he will be good in the nfl. He could be, but he could also be a bust. Terrelle Pyror will be a nobody in the NFL. hes not even on the same level as cam. shouldnt compare them 2 just because there scrambling qbs. its like comparing kyle orten to brady because there both pocket passers
by GreenWhite on Jan 9, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you even think before you post?
Wayne Hunter is going to be 31 and Eric Smith is going to be 29 both have been in the leauge way longer than Sanchez. Sanchez has statistically gotten better every year. Are you really too dumb to see the difference?
by RhodesRocks on Jan 9, 2012 2:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Misplaced Blame
I agree Sanchez has gotten more than his share of heat, but he does deserve some of the blame for his ridiculous check-down decisions. Third and 18 and you check it down to Greene for a 4 yard shovel in traffic? His under-pressure decision-making has shown to be suspect. I’m willing to give him another year under a new OC to see if there is any improvement.
By far, Schotty’s play-calling is the most frustrating aspect of this team’s under-performance, but for me, I think the majority of the blame goes to Rex. I understand why everyone appreciated the “swagger” and confidence he brought to the team, but the lack of discipline is just inexcusable. The Jets have made too many mental mistakes this season, from dropped punts/kick-offs, fumbles, and penalties. I don’t know the stats, but I would be willing to bet that the Jets offense is in the top 10 for penalties called against. How many 8 or 9 yard 1st down runs by Greene gained only to be erased on the ensuing snap count for a false start, or holding, or offensive PI? Typical Jets drive:
1. Greene runs for 7 yards, now 2nd and 3.
2. False start on: (Mulligan, Plax, D’Brick, take your pick), now 2nd and 8.
3. Pass is thrown behind Holmes/Keller in heavy coverage and almost picked off, now 3rd and 8.
4. Another false start or holding, now 3rd and 13 or 3rd and 18.
5. Completed pass for a gain of 4 yards, special teams takes the field.
Rexy’s lack of discipline in the locker-room takes the cake here. The offensive line lost Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. Hunter and Slaussen had an extremely short training camp to learn the playbook and fill their tremendous shoes. Any distractions are going to detract from their learning curve. This should have been Rex’s MAIN concern. The success of the Jets run-game was dependent on the #1 offensive line in all of football. To mask their deficiencies with big name signings was a big mistake by the front office. Shooting off at the mouth by Rex, and the GM’s concern to sell big name Jets jerseys has caused huge locker room issues and set them back for the foreseeable future.
Like I said, my #1 concern is get a new OC. Give Sanchez another year to see how he is with another OC. One thing that does trouble me is that there is no logical reason as to why Schotty would refuse to call deep routes for Sanchez, unless his observation/assessment of Sanchez’ abilities during practice make it an impracticality.
I agree with safety being the position of highest concern. Offensive line is definitely the 2nd greatest need. Although I believe that the OLine will improve with a full training camp, we need more depth. If we replace Hunter outright, it wouldn’t hurt to keep him for the depth charts.
I’ve seen a lot of people complaining about the RB situation in NY, calling for a 2nd round RB. This is ABSOLUTELY asinine. The idea that Greene is not an everydown back is absurd. When the Jets committed to the run, Greene has proven to be extremely effective. McKnight has also shown the speed and agility needed for the outside running routes. What kills me is that no one, not even Rex, calls out Schotty for the run games production. Why is he calling outside sweep runs for a big back like Greene and up-the-middle runs for the quick and small McKnight? This guy is completely bass ackwards. Like I said before, this run game is predicated on the cohesiveness of the OLine. Fix the line, fix the run game. I’m completely happy with the RB tandem in Green and McKnight.
As far as WRs go, we’ll see when a new OC takes the reins. The idea that Holmes isn’t a #1 on 80% of the NFL teams is ridiculous. He clearly has the explosive talent, speed and big play ability required to be classified as such. With Holmes, it’s the locker-room aspect that is the liability. Him and Plax BOTH have deep route capability, the fact that they didn’t perform as well as Roddy White and Julio Jones this year is more an indictment on Schotty’s lack of deep routes called, and Sanchez’ many off-target passes.
by Too Rexy for his Vest on Jan 9, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely spot on.
Here are some stats to back this up.
The Oline went from giving up 28 sacks last year, to 40 this year.
The run game went from ranked 4th last year to 22nd this year. TWENTY-SECOND!!!
Offensively, I read that the Jets attempted (ATTEMPTED. not completed) deep passes dropped considerably as well. People can argue that that is Sanchez’s fault, but they’d be wrong. Deep passes require the QB to have good enough protection for the route to develop. It also requires a WR who can outrun coverage. We had neither of those things this year.
by struckanerve9 on Jan 10, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
a need for weapons
When we consider needs for the team, we need to look at getting weapons for Sanchez.
If we look at our primary needs RT, and S, might be the top two followed by WR and OLB.
However WRs and OLBs often will go higher than RTs and Ss and therefore we need to prioritise our draft and FA accordingly, rather than overpay at certain positions where it is not necessary to do so.
good post
my honest opionion is that the jury is still out on sanchez . he is more of the cure than the problem with the offense .
he has improved in some aspects of his game and got worse in others but the potential to become a better player is still there . he needs better coaching and playcalling more suitable to his skills before any of us can make an honest assesment of the guy.
the coaches he has a the moment are holding him back from improving but HE also needs to concentrate on getting better . it looked like he did do that in his 1st and 2nd year but fell back in that aspect this year
if its for you it won't pass you
Let's Resign Sanchez to a 20 year contract extension
This is post is what this site exists for, defending mark sanchez.
If we had Matt Stafford, we would have won the Super bowl last year.
If only we had Terrell Pryor to throw to.
He’s tall, fast, and was the top football prospect in the country out of high school. We should have dropped a 2nd on him. He’s going to be better than Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson combined.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
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If you had Matt Stafford, Mark Brunell would have played all last year. Stafford would have been on IR with a dislocated shoulder.
Probably true, but Matt Stafford went to the Pro Bowl this year
or is the first alternate and Sanchez is not even close to the Pro Bowl.
Not even close, that is the reality of the situation.
Cam Newton and his 4 year and 22 M deal looks so much better than
Sanchez in now year 4 out of a 45 M 5 year deal.
Sanchez is the most overpaid player in the league and his position.
If Mark is willing to talk about a reasonable contract in the range of 4 to 5 M dollars, I am willing to see another 1 year, but if he is not, time to go.
Yeah except cam would be having a 4 yr 45mil contract too
If rookie contracts wages wernt changed with the new cba
But does he
No, Cam Newton is making 22 M over 4 years , there are probably escalators which he is earning.
We should be playing football this weekend
instead we are making excuses for Sanchez
and whats cam newton doing?
cause he aint playin on Sunday I know that.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If we had Matt Stafford last year, we wouldn’t have made the playoffs. Because Stafford went down with an injury, which means we would have been starting Mark Brunell.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 9, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Most teams have contingency plans at QB
others is Mark Brunell at 41 and Kevin O’Connell because he knows the playbook
Actually
Most teams don’t. Because any Backup QB worth anything would be traded for a draft pick. Cassell was slapped with a franchise tag following a year in which he started 11 games. Flynn isn’t going to be on the Packers next year. After that, the next highest rated backup QB is probably Dennis Dixon. (would have been Tebow, but he’s no longer a backup, and the guy that would have been his backup was cut, and ended up on the chiefs.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
back up
I believe the best backup would in theory be Vince Young on Philly
The guy is a MAJOR head case
With the worst mechanics in the entire NFL. He would be HORRIBLE!!!!
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Charlie Batch did way better when called on
and he’s answered the call pretty well every time the Steelers encounter injury woes at QB. In my mind his consistency makes him the “best”. You also have to consider that the “best” backups become starters a la Cassel Kolb and Flynn.
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If we had Stafford?
Can someone remind me when the Jets had the #1 pick in 2009 and traded down for Mark Sanchez?
Even if it were true that Stafford is better than Sanchez, so what? The Jets never had an opportunity to take Stafford. You might as well wonder if the Jets would have won last year with Tom Brady.
Hell, if the Jets had had a Pro Bowler at every position they could have gone undefeated en route to winning the Super Bowl. Gosh, why didn’t it occur to Tannenbaum and Rex to put together a team of Pro Bowlers?
by square1 on Jan 9, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Although I disagree on many points. The way Sanchez looked at times this year, Calvin Johnson would have gone to waste. I also think no matter what you say about those other guys, they got their teams to the Playoffs this year. Sanchez didn’t. I also don’t think Sanchez would have beaten the Saints the way Drew Brees played Saturday.
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Sanchez definitely couldn't beat the Saints
the first time around either.
Why don't you think he would have beaten the saints?
All Brees was doing was slinging the ball down the field. You think he could have done that against Revis and Cromartie? You think Brees could have thrown for 466 yards against those 2 guys?
The main complaint that i have with the Jets fromt his year is that they NEVER threw the ball down field. They never took shots. Watching the games this weekend just got me even more pissed off about how the Offense was run. When Tim Tebow has more passes over 40 yards in 1 playoff game than the Jets did in 16 regular season games, you’ve got to be pissed.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Mehta even said it during the Broncos game
Tebow in one game threw more 40+yard plays than Sanchez did all season, and that was before the Hail Mary.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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We Need 3 things first an OC Smart enough to make obvious play calling effective, A real 5 man O- Line that gives Mark more than 2 seconds to throw and 3 a receiver who actually gets seperation
Before we blame Mark he is a play action guy who suffers when the run is not established. Run can not be established with subpar O line play and horrible Play calling.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
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That completely changes the equation, though. Give Stafford Revis and Cromartie, and he might win. Give Sanchez the Detroit defense, and you have pretty much no shot.
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Good Points.
And Stafford did look like he was pretty bad toward the end of the game. he was consistently throwing off his back foot and looked like he was afraid to get hit again. Do you think he would have put up Sanchez’s stats if he was the Jets QB and had been hit as often as Sanchez was this year? Personally, i don’t think Stafford would have lasted past the Baltimore game.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
with no threat of a run game Stafford has been hit ...a lot
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
How about give Sanchez Calvin Johnson and a better OC and he Jets win the Superbowl in back to back years
enroute to Superbowl #3
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Graham probably would score 3 TD’s and catch for 200 yds against the Jets.
The Jets were killed by TE’s all year.
That's a little unfair
Maybe Johnson would have gone to waste with Sanchez but only because this would have been their first year together. Stafford and Johnson have been able to build a relationship for three years. Who has Sanchez had for three years? No one. He has never even had a legit number one receiver (although he had a good relationship with Braylon).
Don’t discount Mark’s accomplishments during the past two years because he didn’t make the playoffs this year. I really feel like after he got mauled against the Ravens he was never the same since he knew his line was suspect and there was a strong likelihood he would die on the field this year. Give Mark the tools and he will win. You really think Stafford or Ryan would have gotten this team to the playoffs? Give me a break, seriously.
And no one is going to beat Brees this year anyway.
You really think Stafford or Ryan would have gotten this team to the playoffs?
Without a doubt.
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+1
Easily would have won the Denver game, and 2nd Miami game. 11 wins would have put us in the tournament.
by Traveling Man on Jan 9, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I absolutely agree with you on this 100%
I think the Jets would have won a Super bowl with Matt Ryan or Matt Stafford last year.
I think we missed our window, by relying on a rookie QB which is another Tannenbaum disaster.
I wish as many chances to make mistakes at my job as tannenbaum does.
Tannenbaum is such a wheeler and dealers
and he should have gone up and got Matt Ryan by trading with St Louis for Pick 2.
Matt Ryan is fine for the Jets, run first system and a much better QB than Sanchez is.
Instead we took Vernon Gholston and then had to use an entire other draft to get Mark Sanchez.
That was the deal that Tannenbaum should have made and didn’t
Yea since Matt Ryan is so much better and proved that
And to John B, matt ryan would not have done nothin in shotty system … He has a way better system with better players and their only points came from a safty
And how many playoff games as he won
I’ll wait …. N look at his WR TE n RB …. N offense the he runs, bet u cant call out their evry play … … Dude u hate sanchez for absolutely no reason, im reading all your arguments and they make no sense imo
Did you watch any Jets games
the 2nd half of the season.
Sanchez confidence was shot by the second half of the season, ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS PUTRID OFFENSE
And by the way when Eli missed the playoffs the last two seasons, did that make him a shitty QB?
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Kle15..too boast about a QB playoff;s record is stupid!!!
so what he won oops!! the TEAM won 4 play-off games!!!! u play in play-offs to win or at least that is the mind-set of every other 31 teams…
Sanchez does not show Team leader-ship..IF He did then jets wouldnt have shown the turmoils in there locker-room…BUT Holmes and McElroy arnt the Only one that have these thought;s..alot of DEF players have said things But refused to have names listed!!!..how U can sit Here and say His play has gone up..rookie yr 53% comp.Rate..this yr only 56.3% that is Not a gain for a 3yr QB!!!
alot of former players and some who never played for Jets said that Sanchez FAILED not only His Team-mates BUT the JETS fan for NOT taking the Blame for the Miami lost…throwing 2 INT of a check-down to the Same DL, there is no excuse for that!!!..after Gme in post comments HE MADE SURE too LET ALL He feels He Has gained more EXP!! wrong thing too say…as “kris” said he needs to grow a pair!!!!
b/4 Miami game a few player;s on both side of the ball were overheard saying that THEY can only go so far as there QB can take them…
even Crommartie wasnt all that 100% behind the Offense in past 3 games..look ur on Def ..you go out and stop-hold a team to a 3 and out, only too see YOUR OF. throw that away with a INT. sorry but that tends to cause less faith in ur so-called leader!!!
everyone is On Hunter;s play..But then all on Hunters side when He goes after Holmes when probably Holmes was calling out Hunter;s playing style
also dont forget that D;Brick allowed 9.5 sacks..Hunter 8.5..mangold 3.right there thats better than 1/2 of all sacks this OFF line allowed!!!!
But to not throw to ur #1WR rest between the OC and the QB failures…also the Head Coach…seems strange that the Head Coach didnt know why Holmes was on the Bench? sorry I dont buy into that excuse!!!!
really what it is saying is that REX has No power- no control in that HIS CORD. has the right to make all calls!!! so why Have REX?…
we dont Hate the QB..what we do hate-dislike is that after 3 yrs he still can not READ a Def-Coverage..every INT..Pick-6 proves that out 100%
Wats ur arguement towards me
U just named how bad his oline was and paired that with shotty slants and 20 yrd field they play on plus a head coach that dont question has OC decisions …. All marks fault, got it.
didnt say was all Marks fault
but He doesnt show at times a leadership role is what I was saying…REX stated b/4 season began that He was giving Mark more control.and when Coaching staff went away from that is when u were seeing a whole new team concept…How many times in games have HOLMES and other rec;s been open?.and a ball thrown there way is usually under or over thrown?…Brunell was there to mentor and I think He failed that JOB big time!!!!
Mark has a hard time to “lead” a REC!!!!…that fault inst on the OC, but QB and His Bond with His REC;s.But when REC;s dont have full faith then u’llsee the results…Ne saw that with Moss wasnt running His Routes and CUT Him..BUT jets failed to see that in Holmes and other;s..Holmes is type of a rec that needs balls thrown way pass that 20yd range!!!!…ever think Coaching staff(ALL) dont have much faith In Mark throwing deep routes..I mean He does thru on avg what is called a FLAT-BALL..that is one with hardly any arc too them…
Ok mark is not a great leader, got it.
And didnt someone put up a fan post of all the deep passes when braylon was here, you kno when the field use to be more than 20 yards …. Or did sanchez forget how to throw?? …… And him being inconsistant i cant argue that, so u got that one.
don't worry about jack
he has something againt sanchez. he once said he’s a bad qb because he didn’t accuse players of playing bad after a game.
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why does everyone keep throwing in play-off wins?
so He won play-off games..BUT he didnt do it on His Own either.He had a def and a OL was a TEAM that WON those games..NO 1 Man can win a Game.Takes all 22 player;s!!!!…as “nikolaiC” stated..88 rating is alot better than 74..Heck Newton came in at 85 rating!!!! too me isnt bad for a Rookie!!!!
how many road wins did Rogers win last yr?…I also dont think a Sanchez lead team coulld beat SF this yr either!!!!..Saints have too many OFF weapons.there TE can burn any Team!!!…look what Gronk did up against our DB’s..and people here think Jets could beat Saints?
I mean if ur going too keep throwing "well he has won 4 play-off road games.enough is enough He still hasnt WON the ONE that COUNTS!!!!
new OC…maybe will help maybe it won’t…But my own feeling is Sanchez will never be seen as Elite!!!.no dont hate Him but am upset with His error;s and not being able to run a checkdown w/o then being INT…
2 in Miami game and too same DL..thats bad!!!! that is all on QB not the OC!!!!
Since Sanchez gets most of the blame when the Jets lose
It only makes sense to give him credit for wins.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
How Many QB's had career years under Schotty? Answer none
What planet do you live on?
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I would have to disagree with you on this one
You seem to be forgetting one thing…. Brian Schottenheimer. Or do you think that Schottenheimer would have had a different system if Ryan or Stafford was the QB?
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Even with Schottenheimer who is admittedly horrible, Sanchez missed a ton of throws a good QB hits this year.
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But that's just it...
Ryan and Stafford just chuck the ball downfield to Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Calvin Johnson. Neither of them have to make those tight throws that Schottenheimer calls on every play. And Sanchez doesn’t have anyone on his team that even come close to the playmaking ability that those 3 guys have.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
They don’t just chuck it down the field, though. They make on the money passes to their receivers.
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The issue is...
That both of them toss it up and their WR’s go get it. The Jets don’t have that. What we have is Plax who has great hands, but doesn’t fight for anything. Holmes who also had great hands, but can’t get open, and a TE who has good hands, but gets hit in the head on short throws. It’s a completely different offense and receiver skill level. Both of which Ryan and Stafford would struggle with, much like Sanchez.
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Plax fights and Holmes gets open. I’ve watched these games over. Sanchez is missing them. A better QB puts up much better numbers in this offense.
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I guess what I’m getting at is even with all the excuses, Sanchez still should be better. Chad Pennington had just as bad of an OC (if not worse) with a worse receiving corps and still was worlds ahead of where Sanchez is at this point of his career.
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Can't argue that
The issue i have with all of this is that Sanchez’s stats actually improved, even with the team refusing to throw the ball down the field, defenses pulling everyone within 10 yards of the line, and everyone on the planet knowing what play the jets are running. I honestly can’t wait to see the difference under a new OC and the addition of a fast, tall receiver.
And i honestly don’t remember Plax ever fighting for a ball, or to get position.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Agreed about Plax not fighting
Even that pick six against Denver that Sanchex threw…it was a bad throw and totally Sanchez’ fault, but Plax could have fought to prevent the pick.
The real point is
Sanchez is good enough to win. He proved it two years in a row and somehow that gets, not forgotten, but under appreciated…way under appreciated. Ryan and Stafford have at least as good, if not better teams and have not won in the playoffs. Sanchez misses the playoffs one year by one game and everyone wants to run him out of town. That is insanity.
jetsbill who Recruited Sanchez for Jets? who told FO to draft Him?
look it up it was jets current OC!!!..He scouted him..had in do some run thru;s b/4 draft.Now a OC that took time to do this had too see things!!!.or as it is now being proven ever more so that Pete Carroll said that Mark needed another yr in College ball…I think Carroll knows far more about what Sanchez can and can-not do or attain!!!!
and if jets offered Sanchez to seattle would Carroll take him? I say No!!!!..A #5 pick was by all accounts too high..2nd round then with that rating, He wouldnt be asked to do things well past His abilities!!!
not being able to read a Def-coverage shows a lack of film study!!!! listen to the other QB;s in league.RIGHT after the Game whether they won or lost, there all studying FILM!!!!
Jenkins was dead-on with Sanchez is most interested in mag covers then being a TEAM leader!!!!..IF he was a leader HE needed to call out Holmes on the field!!!!…but didnt!!!
also during miami game after a few of his INT was seen sitting under the shade, lauhing and joking around..NOT over with HIS OC looking at in game pic;s too see where he went wrong…Everyone saw that on Natl’s TV!!!! thats not role of a Leader or a Teams #1 Starting QB!!!!
Jets need to have a QB to push Mark..right now no matter how many miscues he makes in a Game he knows he wont be taken out!!! well add a backup that can come in Maybe that might get him playing better!!!!
Are you really saying that Sanchez doesn't study film?
Because if you are, i would love to know where you’re getting that info from. Every player on the team, as well as the coaches say that sanchez is constantly studying film, working around the clock.
I do agree that Sanchez needs to step up and become a leader, it’s something he should be being pushed to do from Brunell, and the coaches.
And i remember seeing a clip of Sanchez on the sideline under an umbrella for about 2 seconds, and i don’t remember seeing him laughing at all. I remember seeing him with his head down moping.
But if you have a link to the video, please feel free to post it.
And being on Magazine covers has absolutely no effect on a players ability to lead.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Honestly I think being on the cover could actually enhance leadership
…
If you know what it was for, the one where Rodgers made fun of him for it was actually for charity
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by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 9, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Completely agree
I think the issue with Sanchez not taking a leadership role comes from the role that the coaches play on the team. Rex is everyone’s buddy. Schotty is the ultimate butt kisser, and Cavanaugh is just happy nobody realized that he sucked as a QB (Never cracked 54% completion rate) and has no business trying to coach anyone.
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Stafford has proven he can't take big hits without his shoulder popping out of place
Or his knee or some other ailment. As soon as he got hit the way Sanchez got hit this year, he would have been done.
So your logic is
Sanchez is better than Pro Bowl Alternate Matt Stafford.
Sounds good.
How about fix the O line and get a guy like Stafford
Slauson and Hunter are not too good.
Nope...
His logic is… If Stafford was on the Jets, he wouldn’t have made it past the Ravens game, and thus, never would have come close to a pro-bowl.
If you read what he wrote, it’s actually pretty easy to understand.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 11, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Stafford and Johnson have been able to build a relationship for three years. Who has Sanchez had for three years?
Stafford has only play 29 NFL games.
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I'm guessing they interacted more than just during those 29 games in three years
but in any case, this just highlights Stafford’s fragility as an NFL…another problem Sanchez doesn’t have.
Prob not ..hard to rehab and some how get reps with your #1 WR.
But very true Staff may of may not be fragile. As of now he is.
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He gets one more season
And he has to play in 16 games. But if he plays a 10 or 12 game season he’s in the Chad Pennington category. Pennington would play a full year every other year. Stafford is 1 for 3 so far.
+1
THANK YOU!
Sanchez is a DEVELOPING QB, and everyone expects that he will dramatically improve to the level of Tom Brady, (not to say he cant, but he has the prospect of it).
Sanchez has done alot with very little. THis post forgot to mention that despite the OC calling ridiculous gameplans, Sanchez still found ways to make it work.
I also see a 2012 Sanchez much improved… ESPECIALLY if we get a new OC. Lets use this guys resilience and poise and build a team around HIM.
The problem was that shotty was trying to fit him in a system, when is should have been fitting a system around Sanchez.
As far as the weapons go, Sanchez (if given the right chances) can make ordinary receivers look like top ten guys.
It sounds like a litany of excuses for a guy who simply failed to perform this year
Point blank. Getting into whether or not he’s better or worse than Dalton or Ryan or Stafford… who cares? He needs to play better, period.
You read the blog but missed the point
The point is that you all want to say we need a better QB. There isn’t a better option than what you already have.
There are plenty of quarterbacks who are better than Sanchez, you can’t say there isn’t a better option…
by FiendForGreen on Jan 9, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh sure Aaron Rodgers is a much better option, just an impossible one, that will never happen in a million years.
The Jets are hinged to Mark for at least one more season, because finding an AVAILABLE, CAP FRIENDLY, BETTER QUALITY QB, is well….
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sanchez is incredibly overpaid not mentioned once here
and Big Ben isn’t better than Sanchez with his Super Bowl rings
this about sums it all up.
Good night, Irene
He's not the only overpaid athlete on the Jets
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
This should be on the cover of 2012 Jets media guide
If I had my way it would be the Uhaul trucks outside Schotty and Tannenbaum’s house
The Real question is
Do you want to pay Sanchez – 10 m per year
or do you want to pay Matt Flynn – 5 m per year and actually win
and don’t even compare Andy Dalton to Sanchez
Dalton has a 5 m dollar contract and Sanchez has a 50 m dollar contract.
You are comparing Apples and oranges.
what does a contract have to do with how they play?
that is such a pointless argument dalton was a 2nd round qb. They altered the way rookies get paid now so you dont have to pay them a monster contract. completely different then when sanchez got drafted
Sanchez is overpaid
Nikliai, look at what he’s given you. Sanchez has a 50 million dollar deal. Roethlesburger has a 100 mill deal. Sanchez performed better than Big Ben for half the price.
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And i bet Sanchez was watching that game
From his dorm room at USC.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
The Steelers were 12 and 4
the Jets were 8 and 8
let’s to coach parcells
you are, who your record says you are.
and the Jets had plenty of opportunity to play a beatable team in the playoffs yesterday and we didn’t capture the opportunity.
I don’t see what the point of sugar coating it.
Sanchez is not bigger than the Jets, no way Jose
This post is not about the jets or steelers team
Its about our QB, and all points were proven
Okay, I rather have Big Ben
and 100 M dollar contract and his toughness. Steelers lost Mendelhall and that hurt a lot
The Steelers had Fat John Clay running the ball. Clay was not even close to be drafted from Wisconsin last year and was UDFA and was carrying the ball for the steelers yesterday.
For not being able to walk, Big Ben played fine. I would take him on the Jets in 1 sec, his large contract and everything.
Sanchez is at least as tough as Ben
He took a pounding all year long and never came out. What is the argument that Sanchez is not as tough?
Maybe because he wears lame scarves for post-game interviews? Well, Big Ben’s hat yesterday was at least equally lame.
I agree with you on this one...
Who would want an UDFA running the ball for them. It obviously didn’t work out for the Texans.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Arian Foster is not John Clay
Arian Foster would have been a 3 or 4 round pick if he didn’t stay for a poor senior season.
John Clay was a fat load that lost his starter job at Wisconsin and decided it was time to enter the draft.
Anything else I need to explain to you
Wow. You never cease to amaze me with your arguments.
Arian Foster… College career.. (4 years)
Yds per carry.. 4.6
TD’s… 25
John Clay… College career (3 Years)
Yds per carry… 5.4
TD’s… 41
Foster was obviously a better player coming out of college than Clay. You are right again.
On a side note, do you play a lot of golf?
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by jetsbill on Jan 9, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not really apples to apples
Clay had an exceptional offensive line, and the Big Ten isn’t as difficult as the SEC.
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Don't even engage him
Total Troll and nothing really else.
I love your logic
You try to say somehting that makes no sense, then back it up with something that makes no sense, get into a corner that you can’t get out of, and then say… “Total Troll”.
You’ll always be my favorite poster because you make me laugh.
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Disagreeing with you doesn’t make him a troll.
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That was @Nikolai
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You didn't have to write that John
If disagreeing with him made you a troll, the entire board would be nothing but trolls.
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You guys should go get a private room
This is getting cute. awww
Only you could pick a fight with me like this even as I’m agreeing with you.
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by John B on Jan 9, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You frequently make factually incorrect and inflammatory remarks
This kind of mitigates the weight of you calling other users trolls.
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There isn't anything in a NikolaiC argument that is apples to apples
The only thing these two have in common is that they are UDFA’s. Which is why NikolaiC says Clay is bad.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
No, buddy, you are off in your own world
I said, Big ben was not the reason why the Steelers lost. It was because they have Fat UDFA like John Clay who sucks running the football yesterday.
That is why the Steelers lost, not Big Ben
That is my point. I am no longing responding to your trolled out comments.
You have lot of free time, I don’t
This is what I said, I don't care what your responses or arguments are
Okay, I rather have Big Ben
and 100 M dollar contract and his toughness. Steelers lost Mendelhall and that hurt a lot
The Steelers had Fat John Clay running the ball. Clay was not even close to be drafted from Wisconsin last year and was UDFA and was carrying the ball for the steelers yesterday.
For not being able to walk, Big Ben played fine. I would take him on the Jets in 1 sec, his large contract and everything.
Your response was that
one Undrafted free agent , Arian Foster was good.
so using your incredible logic that must mean all UDFA’s RB’s are good.
Thanks for your contribution, it offered a lot of value
Your argument was that Clay was bad because he was an UDFA
Once again, an argument that makes no sense at all. Being an UDFA doesn’t make you a bad player.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Ok, and here's the problem...
1. Isaac Redman was the primary RB for the steelers yesterday. Clay had ONE carry for ONE yard!!!!!
Your biggest issue is that you have NO CLUE what you are talking about.
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by jetsbill on Jan 9, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, and when your RB is John Clay
and he is active , it is because injuries to Mendalhall and others have destroyed their backfield
and that is why the Steelers lost not Big Big
Is that too tough for your pea
to comprehend
He touched the ball ONE time!!!!
Redman ran for 121 yards on 17 carries. Clay touched the ball 1 time during the entire game, and yet, he is your reason why the Steelers lost.
John Clay has absolutely nothing to do with why the Steelers lost yesterday.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
You are not getting this
“Yeah, and when your RB is John Clay
and he is active , it is because injuries to Mendalhall and others have destroyed their backfield"
What are you really not getting about this,
Did you ride a short bus to school by any chance.
So it's the guys on the bench that make the team bad?
Isaac Redman ran for 121 yards on 17 carries?
I take it that you think the Jets didn’t make the playoffs because Eron Riley was on the active roster?
You can’t really be this stupid.
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by jetsbill on Jan 9, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow,
you are really not getting this.
Here is a clue
“To add to the team’s injuries at running back, Moore will miss this game with a knee injury. This makes third-year running back Isaac Redman the starter against the Broncos with only rookie John Clay available at the position. "
And Redman
Had a very good game. I don’t get how you can actually say that Redman’s 121 yds on 17 carries don’t matter, but Clay touching the ball once means everything. If you could tell me that the backup would get 121 yards and average over 6 yards per carry if our starter went down, i would ask you where i sign up for that.
I think i actually understand your logic now… It’s something like this… Throw out an argument, and when proven wrong, just keep going back to it regardless of it not making any sense.
Examples on this thread…
You say Sanchez is overpaid by comparing him to rookies whos contracts are restricted under the new CBS.
You say you don’t want another California kid, and then say you want someone like Brady who is a california kid.
You say Clay is the reason the Steelers lost, even though he only touched the ball one time.
You say that the steelers run game was missing their top guys and thus couldn’t run the ball, and ignore Redman’s 121yd game.
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Does that mean the Jets went 8-8 because they had Brunell at back up QB?
I think he threw a few passes this year and he was on the jets bench all season. He is probably the reason we were 8-8.
by RhodesRocks on Jan 9, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please explain to me.
You did not say:
"Yeah, and when your RB is John Clay and he is active , it is because injuries to Mendalhall and others have destroyed their backfield"
You said:
Big ben was not the reason why the Steelers lost. It was because they have Fat UDFA like John Clay who sucks running the football yesterday.
What you said was that CLAY was the reason they lost, not the injured backfield. It would help to double-check your posts before submitting them.
You may be wondering how I love Alabama AND I love the Jets... I'll just tell you that the answer is complicated and will take too long to explain.
Actually Isaac Redman was the starting RB yesterday
As much as I like Sanchez, I would take Big Ben over him any day. He’s actually the only QB I would take over Sanchez.
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Congrats, you didn't think I knew
that or watched the game.
Was Rashard Mendelhall playing as well,
Isaac Redman
Averaged more per carry than Mendenhall during the regular season. And Tebow’s main target went down in the 1st.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Redman averaged that because the Broncos were keyed in on stopping the pass.
Not that he isn’t good. But I don’t believe that Denver took him seriously as a threat coming in to the game.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 9, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't talking about the Denver game
Redman averaged more per carry during the regular season. I think it was 4.4 to 4.1 for Mendanhall. Redman went off against Denver and averaged just under 7 yds per carry. He had a great game against Tebow’s team.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Guys who carry less usually have a higher average. He’s also a tough runner who is very much in the Pittsburgh style of RB. But he’s not nearly as good as Mendenhall.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 10, 2012 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
I guess we'll find out next year.
Pittsburgh will have a decision to make regarding how their Running game is going to be handled. and i wouldn’t really consider 110 carries a low enough load for other teams to not have film on Redman and know what plays to expect when he enters the game.
But all of that still doesn’t tarnish the facts that Redman did average more yds per carry during the regular season, and managed to rack up nearly 7 yds per carry and 121 yds in a playoff game.
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No I didn't think you knew
You seem to be wrong about a lot of things you write so I thought I would help you out a little.
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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 9, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
lol
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by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 9, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Caps Lock?
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by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN PLEASE SEND HELP
THERE’S BLOOD EVERYWHERE OMG IT’S SO BAD.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Matt Flynn and Andy Dalton made nothing
Cam Newton made nothing by Sanchez standards and neither will Andy Luck
Sanchez is the most overpaid guy in the league.
He is mediocre.
don’t judge Sanchez by TD’s alot of them were bootlegs and jump balls to Plax.
Sanchez is a mediocre QB and we can find a mediocre QB who is probably more mentally tough and a better leader than Mark Sanchez for much less than that.
I can the entire GGN can agree upon that.
I don’t want Sanchez to stay, my jury is not still out. No deep ball and can’t really see over the line and has a long low release which is why his deep ball is non existent and now that Wayne Hunter has him running for his life and got him hit 20 times this season.
The Jets are going to use their 2nd round pick on a QB, that is what I think the back up plan will be
maybe Foles from Arizona, he fits the system
After reading this post which i still dont think u understood
Ur argument sucks just as bad as this current “system” foles will fit …. If u think plug foles in shotty system n u got a superbowl, u got another thing coming.
I don't want a Rookie.
There is a difference between
The Jets will probably take:
and I think the Jets should take.
I think the Jets should take Matt Flynn. He is enough QB to win a lot of games in our system, if we run the ball. I would be fine with Bill Callahan getting a shot to be the OC with Schotty and Cannaugh gone.
I think the Jets will go drafting a QB in the 2nd round. They need a low cost back up plan at QB.
Do the Sanchez folks, actually don’t think we don’t even a back up plan.
I think you guys are giving too much credit to sanchez for the playoff games
It was more defense and running the ball
You do realize... (My bad.. Of course you don't realize this)
That there is a rookie wage scale in place with the new CBA, and that is why Cam Newton and Andy Dalton aren’t making nearly as much as Sanchez, or Bradford (Bradford got 6 years and 78 million).
Matt Flynn will get a contract that pays him more money than Cam Newton because the team that signs him doesn’t have to follow the rookie wage scale.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I understand the new rookie system
and do you understand how teams are reaching up for QB’s now like Minnesota did for christian ponder because there rookie contracts are not risky investments any more.
and now do you understand Sanchez has the most overpriced contract in the league considering what the Bengals and Panthers are paying their rookie QB th
So you would rather have Bradford than Sanchez?
And you claim to know about the new rookie wage scale, yet, you use those players who’s contracts are restricted by it as your examples of why Sanchez is overpaid.
By the way… When the Vikings selected Christian Ponder, the Rookie Wage Scale wasn’t yet in place (Draft is in April, the Rookie Wage scale wasn’t agreed to until June). And Ponder… He sucks!!!
Sam Bradford is making more than Sanchez. I have no doubt that you would rather have Bradford and his contract.
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Sam Bradford hasn't had much to work with.
He had a pretty good rookie season, hopefully they spend some money this yr n get him some help.
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Foles is perfect for us.
Another “California” cool kid with absolutely no leadership abilities. How about we find a guy who isn’t laid back, let’s find a guy who is a lunatic like Brady. Christian Ponder has that killer winner instinct. It is the most ingredient to most successful NFL QB’s who will win.
Dude
Brady is from california (but i guess thats not ur point lol) ….. N Ponder showed us all the way to win, ur right.
Take a look at Ponder's rookie year versus Sanchez
Ponder has 1000 times the heart, Sanchez has.
Ponder... 3 wins. Sanchez... 9 wins.
And what happened to the California argument? Nothing better than when you say we don’t need a “California” cool kid, and then say we need a lunatic like Brady who is actually a “California” cool kid.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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by jetsbill on Jan 9, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Troll on, trollie
You are really adding a lot of value here.
congrats
I honestly hope
you don’t consider what you are writing to be of any value what so ever. You actually undermine your own arguments in your own comments. Sanchize6 is worlds ahead of you at this point, and the only reason is that he actually looks up information before posting something.
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Instead of engaging Nikolai
leave off when he becomes belligerent, and I’ll handle him.
I just give you this advice o another person doesn’t come along your comments and sanction you as well.
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Nikolai:
I’ve read all of your pathetic comments here, and not one of them ha made any logic whatsoever. Please, make a somewhat smart comment, or get out. I hate how when you get owned by jetsbill, you patheticallly call him a troll and act like you won that. Calling him a troll when he is making you look silly isnt getting you anywhere.
I don't think he knows what a troll is
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
"Big ben was not the reason why the Steelers lost. It was because they have Fat UDFA like John Clay who sucks running the football yesterday. That is why the Steelers lost, not Big Ben" -Nikolai c
Wow, just wow.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Mark Sanchez is an average qb with the potential to become a great qb. And no, I don’t think ggn will agree, because I sure don’t. He has been a solider. A qb without mental toughness would have started bitching about his protection or throwing his line under the bus. There’s no doubt that he hurried too many throws this year due to his protection. He’s going to be just fine once he has a RT. His deep ball will be fine once he has a deep target to throw to and it becomes a part of the offense again. And there are plenty of quarterbacks in the league at Sanchez’s height.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 9, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
So to the author of this post
Thank you, great post
There are a lot of QB's going in the first 3 Rounds
Luck
Griffen
Tannehill
Foles
Weeden
Cousins
and they will be others to get into the conversation
Wilson will go 4 or 5.
I think the Jets will try to land one of these guys if they can.
I don’t like the strategy but I think that will be Tanny’s play
I was listening to a lot of commentators on all the networks this weekend and there was one common thread.
And that is that the way the rules are structured now, mostly in the interest of player safety to be sure, the old saying that defense wins championships is no longer true. Warren Sapp said it best. Defense gives you a chance to win a championship, but the offense has to go out in do it.
That being said Rex’s philosophy of strong defense and good running game will make you respectable, but isn’t going to consistently make you an elite team. The San Francisco/New Orleans game this weekend will be a good indicator if this is in fact true, as the 49ers are set up to play the way Rex had the Jets playing in 2009 and 2010.
Why am I bringing these points up? Because it bears directly on What Mark Sanchez is capable of doing. I don’t think anyone would disagree that Sanchez is at his best when there is a strong running game and he can utilize play action effectively. But that type of game plan goes out the window when you get down 14 points and have to throw that ball all over the place just to keep up. It is not just a question of having elite weapons – it is a question of using the entire field and all your weapons. Anyone want to argue that Brady and Manning have HOF WR’s and RB’s on their rosters? Of course not, yet they make it work. And, even knowing they are going to be hit, they keep their eyes down field to try to make a play. Sanchez can’t handle multiple options, let alone keep looking down field to find someone under pressure.
The way the league is going, if you do not have a QB who can successfully throw the ball 35-40 times a game when required AND COMPLETE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THROWS DOWN THE FIELD FOR BIG PLAYS, then you are not going to be able to even compete for a division title, let alone win a championship. And that is why Sanchez is not the guy and definitely not worth the money he has remaining on his rookie deal. Dalton may have a worse percentage, but he has it making throws down the field. So do a lot of the other QB’s you mention. Sanchez throws most of his passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and he can barely break 56%. We have a lot of other needs for 2012 it is true, but the QB piece will need to be replaced before this team can contend for a title.
I agree with a lot of what you say. But look at it this way.
Is it easier to throwa 5 yard slant, or a 15 yard out? Conventional wisdom says a slant is a high percentage pass, and the easier pass 9 times out of 10. But it isn’t. The reason is this. When you run a slant route 9 times out of 10, what is the defensive back sitting on? How hard is it to throw that slant when everyone on the defense knows it’s coming?
The issue with the Jets is they were trying to make passing easier, but instead made it harder because they continuiously ran the same plays and the passing suffered. This is proven because when Sanchez ran a 2 minute offense or a hurry up, and called his own plays the offense was rolling. This was only at the end of games and just before halftime.
I will be looking at the San Francisco game though. You make good points, but I think Sanchez is more talented than a game manager like Alex Smith. He is not a 60 pass a game guy though. He is the in between guy, and that’s fine because so is Philip Rivers and Rothlesberger and those kinds of guys. You will never see them sling it 45-50 times. They play off of play action and some shotgun, however they have been very successful at it. So will Sanchez.
You are reinforcing my points.
You are correct that the slant is easier to throw than the out, except when the defense is expecting it. But that is the type of offense we are running because they don’t trust Sanchez to take the time to go through his progressions, especially under pressure. On top of that, when the defense is sitting on the slant, it also means they are close to the line of scrimmage and have the bodies to stuff running plays, including draws.
Sanchez does have more talent than Smith, but the 49ers still stretch the field every game with throws to Crabtree and Ginn and Davis, which makes their slants and draws that much more effective. I would rather give him one more year under a new OC, a new system, and some better supporting talent, just to make sure we are not giving up on him too soon. But I am not hopeful that he can run an offense that can win a Super BOwl.
by Traveling Man on Jan 9, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
He wasn't given the chance e to throw down field.
You need a 5 step drop, or a strong shotgun to get the chance to throw downfield. Sanchez couldn’t drop back and then step up in the pocket because there was NO pocket. You don’t understand that Hunter was beaten so badly, the defensive ends and linebackers didn’t have to run wide of the pocket, they often had Sanchez dead to rights. The tackle wasn’t even in the play when Sanchez was getting hit.
I’m not saying Sanchez is perfect, because he isn’t, but a lot of things need to go right for you to be able to throw down the field. The tackle has to hold a block for at least 3 seconds to give the receiver time to get down field. The receiver has to run a good route, and he needs to get a small amount of seperation. In Santonio Holmes case, he needs more seperation, because he’s not as tall as Burress. When neither of them get seperation, and Burress runs lazy routes it makes it extremely difficult to throw to them.
If you watched the middle to the end of the season, Jeremy Kerley was being thrown to a lot on 3rd down. It wasn’t because he was the main receiver. It was because he was the only guy getting even remotely open. That goes to show you that the #1 and #2 guy aren’t getting it done. If the first read is Holmes and he isn’t open, you gotta keep going, you can’t stick with him for the entire play and wait for him to open up. Maybe they should have run the plays inside out, and looked for Kerley 1st and went to Holmes and Burress last, since it took them so long to get away from a DB.
I agree with many of your points, BUT...
Wayne Hunter wasn’t lit up every game, and most of the time, Sanchez takes a 7 step drop for deep throws and then does not move up into the pocket. You could look at film of almost any game. Compare him with Eli yesterday. When the pressure came Eli moved laterally or forward to escape the pressure and deliver a ball down field because he KEPT HIS EYES DOWN THE FIELD. Sanchez does not feel the pressure very well, and when he thinks he feels it he drops his eyes. Almost every commentator on every network has commented on this tendency.
It’s a chicken and egg thing with the routes. I think sometimes the receivers gave up on their routes if they were not the first or second option because they knew Sanchez would never get to them in the progression. And that happened more and more as the season went on. I think the reason Kerley got more balls at the end of the year was BECAUSE he was the #1 option on most of those pass plays.
The problem is that most good passing games look long to short, and inside out. Not the Jets – very few plays are run where the deep option is the first one, and the way Sanchez throws high over the middle they preferred he look outside first.
by Traveling Man on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
The issue i have is...
What happened to this kid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_rib5nD5P0
All of these plays were from one year, and it seemed as if he knew exactly where his receivers were going to be. On a few of the plays, he throws off his back foot and just puts the ball up and trusts his receivers to go and get it. He didn’t do any of that this year. I attribute that to the OC developing a game plan, and calling plays for the QB he wishes he had rather than the one he does. And you can’t honestly say that this offense even remotely resembled the Offense that the Jets ran during the last 2 years. And then you have to wonder… What kind of idiot changes an offensive style that got you to back to back AFC championship games, and was ranked 11th in the league last year? If you said… Brian Schottenheimer, you’re RIGHT!!!! (Son of Marty would also have been accepted)
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
We did last year too.
I thought our offense couldn’t get more frustrating than it did last year… and then it did.
We took shots last year. Look at anyone posting highlight videos of Edwards.
I think Sanchez is trapped on an offense with NO IDENTITY at all which is further compounded by the mindset of a defensive head coach who seems to ALWAYS play it conservative.
I’ll say this for the Broncos right now, they play to win. They don’t play “not to lose.” That’s why they took a serious shot in overtime. That’s the reason the Saints beat the Colts in the SB two years ago: they played to win.
We need an offensive philosophy and an OC that play like that and someone strong enough to stand up to Rex and say, “Dammit, you HAVE a solid defense. We can afford to take some risks”
Hell, we’re turing the ball over on bullshit as it is right now. Might as well take some real chances.
Great points
Agree with every one of them. We statred to have an identity, and the offense was improving during the last 2 years (we went from 20th to 11th in total offense), and then this year (25th)… WTF!!!! A completely different approach. It’s like everything that had been working was just thrown out.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
thank you!
this was a brilliantly written post. All the haters will never be happy, but all of us who believe 2012 will be a fantastic year can take comfort in this post.
There is no hate involved just business
Being a GM in Football is a business and nothing else, there is no hate or like attached to it. Players are investments and they can exchanged and replaced. Almost all of them
Its ceazy
All the sanchez hater want to get a new qb with a different oc and oline, qb that havent done shit at tht….. But just keep judging sanchez off of shitty system, that shit cray
Um I didn't understand most of that
Are you typing on your phone?
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
Yes sorry, ipad .... and im fired up so i didnt proof read
Was saying “its crazy, all the sanchez haters wants to get a new QB with a different OC and RT, BUT keeps judging Sanchez off of shotty system, dispite all that he has done. That shit’s crazy”
You're right.
Sanchez deserves a 2nd chance with better coaches but if the same coaching staff is in place, he needs to go.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
How do you want me to judge him
The system is not changing next year.
The only that might change next year is my check may not get sent to Florham Park.
Do people really think a new OC will wave a magic wand and make Sanchez accurate?
If you do, I think you will be in for a rude awakening.
by J-Nasty on Jan 9, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No they just need a scapegoat
No one what can really look at Sanchez’s objectively and look at what he is paid.
They are just emotion because they think they are protecting him, it is not logic being used.
Say what you want about Sanchez...
But Schotty sucks either way. He sucked before Sanchez and he’ll suck after Sanchez. He’s no scapegoat—he’s a serious problem that needs to be removed like a wart from the team.
I was just about to say this, Shotty has been a problem, when Sanchez was redshirting at USC.
If Sanchez doesn’t succeed that sucks, but regardless of who is under center Schottenheimer has to go.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
You never know
But you can’t give up on a QB after only 3 years in the NFL. We all know Sanchez should not have been starting on day 1 but he was handed the job his rookie season so the Jets need to do whatever they can to make him better.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
Drew Brees had 57.3% completion rate his first 3 years...
Now he is the most accurate QB in the NFL…Brees played so bad his first three years they spent the number one overall pick on a QB, if they had any faith in brees they could have pucked up Larry Fitzgerald to help him out. Instead they drafted a new QB of the future and ran him out of town..only to see him go somewhere else and win. The jets already have so much invested in Sanchez they owe it to themselves to get him some help and see what he can do in a system that plays to his strengths..getting a new QB and tossing him into this mess of an offense we have now is only going to set the franchise back a few years and ruin the new QB.
by RhodesRocks on Jan 9, 2012 3:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rich Gannon
His accuracy was about 5% higher with the Raiders than with anyone else.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
You already judged him, you hate him
But in agreement with you, if shotty stays my check will not be sent either…. Thats not what im paying for.
NO ONE IS ADDRESSING SANCHEZ IS VERY OVERPAID
All the Non Sanchez haters,
DO YOU THINK SANCHEZ IS PAID FAIRLY or overpriced considering what other young QB’s are making and producing.
I don’t hate Sanchez. I don’t want him to be our QB at 10 M salary next year.
I think there is other ways to go.
If wasnt for the new CBA this would be null n void
New qb’s cant get paid as much …… So is he not good or do u want him to take a paycut which one??
Mark Sanchez was fairly paid given the climate of the draft he was in. That’s just how drafts work. At that point in time, before the wage scale was introduced, You were not just paying for production when you sign a big name rookie. You were paying for their potential. And since Sanchez still has the potential to be the qb we drafted him to be, he is not overpaid. It isn’t like with a guy like Bart Scott or a guy like Albert Haynesworth where you know exactly what their ceiling is. Objectively speaking, a large part of a high drat pick’s salary is for potential, not promise. And the team is free to cut them if they think they are not going to fulfill it. Until the team cuts them, they are not overpaid.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 9, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
I absolutely want Sanchez to take a pay cut
Just like Alex Smith when he didn’t deliver
You think Sanchez should make 10 M bucks next year.
You guys are really in your own world.
Gang Green Nation is the home of the Sanchez Apologist
Dude if i wasnt so bord at work i would have been done wit u, but im still bord so
How many afc champion games the jets played in b4 sanchez … So he should take a pay cut for one bad year. If ur boss (assumin ur not ur own boss) gave u computer from the 90’s this year to work with and you didnt get all your work done as efficient bc your computer is too slow, do you think you ahould take a 50% pay cut???
Sanchez had 89 attempts in 3 playoff games last year
Greene had 45 carries and LT had another 35
It is funny how every focuses on Sanchez as winning the playoff games and forgets about the running game all together.
Dude, check out this link of Sanchez throwing an 80 yrd touchdown strike in the AFC Chip game. He can throw it deep and accurate.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna cry.
Why… WHY did we get rid of that guy?
And who says Mark can’t throw down field? I remember plays just like this. Our lack of throwing down field ain’t on Mark—unless he’s injured and even then, that’s the nature of an injury.
In that clip, Mark is staring down Dwight Freeney, who beat his man with a spin move, he pump fakes Freeney out of his cleats and delivers a dime to a wide open down the field Braylon Edwards.
That was delivering, in a high pressure situation and a high pressure atmosphere.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 9, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Already am
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 9, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget that deep ball to holmes in the AFCCG.
Oh that tragic night… Mark was the lone bright spot
by jets4life24 on Jan 9, 2012 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, can't we all just get along...
Great post with interesting perspective! Really enjoyed reading it, the dialogue after it, not so much.
Too bad this isn’t golf; Football comparisons are always apples to oranges-get used to it.
by GangGreenGol4 on Jan 9, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It will never end
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 9, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Any remotely controversial topic draws more conversation
and as a result, more people will dissent. Passionate fighting is a part of sports blogdom.
With that said, I thought everybody commenting on the fanpost sans one conducted themselves fairly well and made decent points.
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I guess I needed the sarcasm font!
But, it’s too much effort on a phone.
The “passionate fighting” as you call it is pretty f’n funny though!
by GangGreenGol4 on Jan 9, 2012 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No it never will.
And Nikla, if you remember watching the playoffs last year you’ll remember the way the games were played. Sanchez carried the team. Especially the game against Pittsburgh. The Jets were down by alot when running the ball in the first half. Only in the 2nd half of the game did Sanchez start to take over. While the amount of runs and passes may look even it doesn’t show you the 20-3 first half deficit the Jets had. Nor will it show you how Sanchez made a game of it in the 2nd half. He carried the Jets, but they didn’t get far enough. He also carried them in the first 2 games, not the running game.
manuvsteal
this was a great post, and backed up very nicely with stats and comparisons. I can’t wait to see how the kid can do in a system that is designed around his strengths rather than what the OC wishes his strengths were.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
This, times a million
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stafford is better than sanchez
When you look at Sanchez’s stats they appear to be good but this hides the fact that he is wildly inconsistent. He makes poor decisions a lot and then looks great for a few games. I do not think it is all on him and I think he will improve under better coaching/play calling but at this point I would trade him straight up for Stafford or Roethlisberger, and maybe Ryan (not Dalton).
While I sort of agree...
I think the inconsistency is also, in huge part, because of our horrible offensive “system” which, to me, is a system in search of an identity every week. And I swear to you, it’s like if we find something that works Schotty goes, “Nahhh. That must have been a fluke.”
Stafford would have been on IR after the Ravens game. Roethlisberger isn’t really a fair comparison just because he’s had WAY more experience than Sanchez in one of the most consistent systems in the NFL.
I really believe that Peyton Manning is probably the only QB that could work under Schotty. That’s it. His audibles would be the only things that could possibly make Schotty’s “system” “work.”
I would trade him for Stafford but not for Roethlisberger. Stafford will have a bright future and there’s a reason he was the number one pick of the draft. Roethlisberger is like Brett Favre, only a bigger injury risk. When a big guy like that starts suffering leg injuries it tends to shorten their careers. Plus it’s only a matter of time before he tries to force himself on some girl again.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 9, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Alright Nikolai
the next derogatory comment about GGN or any of its users is your final comment here.
Sick and tired of your willfully ignorant poison. We’ve been letting ourselves get trolled for the sake of being tolerant inclusive for too long.
Arm chair GM. Mod/contributing writer at SBN Jets blog GGN.
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Please, please, please, please
Don’t ban Nikolai. He just needs to figure out that doing a little research before putting something in writing will go a long, long way. He’s a passionate Jets fan just like the rest of us, he just don’t know how to debate, put himself into a position to win an argument, or do research. But all of those things can be learned. And he only seems to lash out once he’s backed into a corner due to the position he’s trying to take, and the logic he’s trying to use to back it up. Maybe you can make him change his name to “Clawless Wolverine”. (A wolvering will attack when backed into a corner, but without claws, it’s more of a wast of time.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
It's funny
still, too many threads turn into Nikolai v. _______
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more like Nikolai V. Everyone
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 9, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
well
i guess we have to ban him eventualy. it’s just he is so much fun…
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
The Official Seinfeld Gif-Man of GGN!!!!!!!!
i'm a moderator for GGN. I will accept tribute.
This is your idea of fun
what do you normally do on a sat night? I really don’t care what some people on this site think.
so if you don't care
why did you ask the question niko?
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
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The rumor mill has been mentioning Tony Sporano as a new OC.
There is another rumor that Marty Shottenheimer may get a gig as the Bucs new head coach. If that’s the case he may take Brian as his OC. They have been head coach and coordinator together twice before and less would be expected of Brian in Tampa Bay. All that being said, the Jets need a discipline minded old guy head coach. He doesn’t have to be an old guy, but definitely disciplinarian to keep the offense in line. If they go Callahan or Sporano, they will be ok.
And honestly...
A strong personality to deal with Ryan. I think some of the conservatism on the part of our offense is Rex’s doing.
I like the fact that Tony Sporano is coming to town
sounds like Tony Soprano. I don’t know about his Offensive coordinator skills, but he is a run first guy so I like that already, whereas, a guy like McDaniels is a Pass guy.
Another rumor is Hue
If Hue Jackson gets fired, he could potentially fit for OC. He and Ryan were together in Baltimore and know each other. Anybody gets out of line in the locker room and Hue will put them in their place (physically)! Love it.
It's not a bad idea
I usually prefer to avoid names associated with dysfunction or dysfunctional franchises.
However, Jackson has a very good track record vastly improving teams as a WR RB and QB coach as well offensive coordinator and head coach. He is a very successful coach over his 10 year career sans one season with the Falcons where Vick was indicted/suspended and Petrino jumped ship back to college ball.
Jackson is a complete offensive identity with a track record of results and experience coaching every single position, and improving each individual position he coached. He uses players to their strengths and is basically the total package Rex needs, even if Jackson himself doesn’t win up being the perfect fit.
I think the Raiders will realize they have their coach, but if not, I would love to try and scoop him up. anyone but Schotty.
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Yes!!
Dalton was pathetic, yates was meh.. Stafford was ok, and Ryan was pitiful. All the home teams advanced mainly on QB play except the lions. They ran into a freight train in new orleans. But road playoff wins are hard to come by and mark has played excellently in his playoff games. Mark will turn the corner soon.
by jets4life24 on Jan 9, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Horriflying Stat: Tim Tebow had more 40 yard pass plays yesterday than Mark Sanchez had in 16 games
Tebow had more Pass plays of over 40 yards yesterday than Mark Sanchez had all season long.
I guess Tebow doesn’t struggle with the deep ball.
Mark Sanchez has the worst deep ball in football.
Chad Pennington threw a much better 50 yard ball
These are very good points
Sanchez was awful this year and I’m not sure if I can be a Sanchez apologist anymore.
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Decker and Thomas are better downfield receivers than Holmes and Burress. It is also worth pointing out that the threat to run usually pulls safeties up and allows those receivers to get behind the D more effectively.
Sanchez has a bad year. But we saw enough deep passes last year where I don’t think there should even be a question that he is capable of throwing accurate deep passes.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 9, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ETzZRlxS6wU
Just watch the video before you say that. Watch the placement of the football and not the fact that it’s caught. Then come back and tell me he has a bad deep ball or is not accurate. This is the 2010-2011 season alone.
I loved that
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 9, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
You said Schotty was just a scapegoat created by us.
THIS is why we’re mad at Schotty. Sanchez has an excellent deep ball. But Denver realized that the Steelers keyed in on the run and threw it deep, where their CBs had no help. They A) adjusted to what they saw, B) took it deep to help open up the run and C) played to the strengths of their players (ie Demaryius Thomas is a freakish athlete who is a great deep threat).
Schotty does none of those. He doesn’t let Sanchez throw deep. Tebow also attempted more 40 yard pass plays than Sanchez did in 16 games. Had we done what the Broncos did and throw it deep to keep the defense honest as the Broncos did, I am convinced the season would have turned out much better. You say this was an 8-8 team, but I think we had the potential to be 11-5 or even 12-4 if Schotty had called a few better games and took more shots.
Sanchez has and is playing fairly well. But sometimes coaches can be the reason a person cannot take the next step, and that’s what most of us believe around here.
You may be wondering how I love Alabama AND I love the Jets... I'll just tell you that the answer is complicated and will take too long to explain.
Mark sanchez has a good deep ball.
Not great like rodgers, or brees… But it’s good when actually being used.
by jets4life24 on Jan 9, 2012 6:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and the puzzling interceptions?
Ok alot what Im hearing here is nothing should be on the QB.
Every fumble aint his fault or every INT isn’t on him , thats really true and a lot of them are on him.
So is it fair to throw out all the stats? .. I can try .
Say you don’t buy what the stats say good or bad….
Use the eye test!
Say I can watch the games objectively for the Jets is my team, root for Sanchez and just look at every game he’s played here …. what I come up with is….He is a turnover machine!
Whenever they put the ball in his hands or the game plan is to let Sanchez win this for us from the start of the game , maybe because the team we are playing is not better than us and we need our QB to stretch out, you know ,god forbid we try to be balanced it out from game to game and actually throw more, everyone knows how horrible the secondaries we face are. We are not going to be able to run it on every team we play , so do we run & run and try to minimize his responsibilities in the handling of the game?
Is it to much to ask him to torch a bad defence? You know what happen in almost every case when we have put him as the focal point instead of trying to hide him? Inconsistency at its finest. Every time.
Every time they put the game on him this happens since hes been here, but we had the rookie excuse back then ,I said it my self.
I gave him a break as a rookie, even though I saw some telling signs. Like the Buffalo game where he had 5 INT’s (could have been 6 or 7 which happens with rookies sometimes) but the body language during that game was crazy weird…. or the bad press conference after one game when he came out with a list and reads all the answers to questions the reporters didnt ask yet, and had to apologize for that and as a result has become a public relations robot.
I let all that go with the post season success because who cares about a shaky regular season when you get to the AFC championship game.
Its ok, I thought…. hes gonna get better next regular season and become better at reading defenses.
We all know about the red light , green light system that was put in to help him with his decision making because he throws puzzling INT’s …I figured he would be too good for that type of embarrassment of decision making ability the next season and he wasnt and its to many suspect games marred with inconsistencies for me to list ….
Heres the thing , this year he has not progressed since then in my eyes no matter how you cut it/excuses it away. And I am grateful for the playoff runs he has contributed to ,but we cant keep trying to win three and four road playoff games every year, its not realistic .
He got us to the hump…
He might not be the guy to get us over the hump , lets get some competition in here now!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
Back up QB
We were going to get a back up QB next year no matter what Sanchez did this year. Brunell is done. I agree that competition would be good for him, but I question who it will be. I love Matt Flynn but doubt we get him.
Garrard, Orton, Vince Young, and Hootie (McNabb) are all SOOO Medicorce and boring. I would be pissed if anyone of them was running this ship.
Arizona could always cut Kolb (latest rumor is AZ is a potential landing spot for Manning) although this is far from reality and not extremely exciting either.
In the end, I don’t know who I’d like to see here out of the realistic potentials. But I guess it will be one of those jokers.
I don't expect the team to bring in any veteran QB that any of us would like to see on the field
They have way to much money in Sanchez. McElroy has shown some ability and might be the #2 next year. the team will probably look for a kid with a lot of raw talent (Cannon arm) in the later rounds. Flynn is going to end up getting a contract that pays him more than the 1st overall pick in this years draft. Kolb.. He’s just not any good. He couldn’t succeed when throwing the ball to Fitz.
What they need is a QB coach who has actually had success playing the position.. (cough, cough.. Rich Gannon.. cough, cough)
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
McElroy as #2 has my vote.
If the JETS ultimately bail on Sanchez, or have to play a backup due to injury, I wanna see this kid in real action.
by GangGreenGol4 on Jan 9, 2012 4:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think the jets will bail on Sanchez
But i don’t think he can go another year, getting hit like he did this year, and possibly start all 19 games.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I don't either, nor do I think they should
However, if it happens, and it’s a big “if,” I like our chances with McElroy. Guy is accurate, smart, and most of all-a winner!
by GangGreenGol4 on Jan 9, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
You'll be tired of McElroy soon enough....
If he ever gets a chance to play. McElroy’s alot like Pennington… accurate, smart, savvy, good field general, but total noodle arm. If anything, McElroy has an even worse arm than Pennington. We all saw what that kind of QB gets us… at best, 10-6 and a first round playoff loss. A QB who can’t make the downfield throws gives up too much to a good defense, which can play press coverage and jump routes all day without fear of getting beat over the top. If you like McElroy over Sanchez, fair enough, but McElroy will never win a Super Bowl because he just can’t make all the throws. In the Playoffs, the defenses are too good to concede half the field due to a weak arm.
Everybody and their mom jumps routes on the Jets
Blame schotty.
Never said anything about liking McElroy more than Sanchez, only that I’d be okay with him as a #2.
I haven’t seen enough of the kid to comment on having a weak arm or not being able to “make all the throws” but he looks good so far.
by GangGreenGol4 on Jan 10, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Fantastic article
its great to know that I am not the only one that knows that Sanchez can be a great QB.
Sanchez reminds me of the other NY QB. Heavily scrutinized, pressure to consistently perform etc.
We all can agree that the 2010 Jets were BETTER than the 2011 Jets we just finished watching. Our o-line was better, defense was statistically better, run game, and the receivers were better. But Mark Sanchez this year was statistically better than last EVEN with another WR shuffle, the RT situation, lack of a run game early on, BRUTAL HITS, and less time to throw the ball. And of course the same d-bag of an OC. Yes, his mistakes cost us at times..Yes we want him to perform during the regular season…. But since when were QBs pressured to perform so early in their careers??? Ask big ben. he bursted onto the scene early on and never looked back. And Qbs after him are expected to perform as quickly.
Can you honestly say
that you wouldn’t be on the ground for a few seconds after getting drilled by von miller?
Mark has time to complete a pass and look great.
As frustrating as he was at times, it’s obviously not all his fault. Inconsistent hell yeah, growing yeah, but most importantly a winner. In the playoffs too which is what this post was originally about.
by jets4life24 on Jan 9, 2012 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NEEDED!!
The Jets got rid of Cotchery, Edwards and Woody. Mark needed Edwards, who was clutch for Mark and was often double covered, to stretch the field. This opened up the slant routes for Holmes. Plax can’t stretch anything and was usually shut down by single coverage. Mark needed Cotchery who was his, go to, third down reciever. Mark needed a right tackle who could block since Woody was released and was replaced by Toreador Hunter. Mark needs an OC that doesn’t make head scratching calls. Mark needed more consistancy from his O-Line. More blocking with less sacks and false starts. Mark needed a blocking tight end that didn’t commit so many penalties like Mulligan did. Maybe 2012 will be better both offensively and defensively for the Jets.
Can you imagine the reaction
if the Jets announced that Callahan was OC and Gannon QB coach? I already have the champagne on ice.
I don’t know whether getting Gannon is realistic at all, but he strikes me as exactly what Sanchez needs. Gannon got where he got through hard work and a lot of brains.
Great post manuvsteal, I agree with just about everything you said.
Of the 12 playoff QB’s this year, I would rather have Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, and Stafford. I’d rather go to war with Sanchez over guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, TJ Yates, Andy Dalton, and Tim Tebow any day.
I don’t wanna hear the argument for Matt Ryan. He’s had a better offensive line, a better running game, and better weapons to throw to for his whole career. Last year they sacked up and traded a massive package of draft picks to get him a second stud WR in Julio Jones. He’s had Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez for his whole career. Michael Turner has also been there the entire time. He also turns 27 in a few months. Imagine how the NY/NJ media would treat him if he was on the jets and lost his first 3 playoff games while throwing a total of 3 tds and 4 picks…they’d rip him a new a-hole.
If you would honestly rather have Flacco, Smith, Yates/Dalton (it’s hard to evaluate them because they are rookies) or Tebow over Sanchez then I don’t know what to tell you. They just aren’t as good.
Playing QB in New York requires a different kind of testicular fortitude, and I think both NY teams have QB’s who have proven they can handle it. The beginning of Mark’s career has been remarkably similar to the beginning of Eli’s career. Both erratic, both inconsistent, both heavily criticized. Flashes of brilliance followed by stupid decisions that have you screaming at your TV in disgust.
Bottom line- he just finished year 3. His numbers have improved each season (though to be fair, his rookie numbers were abysmal) even though the talent level of the team, and the offense in particular, has declined every year since he was a rookie. This team suffered from an overall lack of talent and lack of identity. The roster needs to be upgraded at several positions, but I don’t think trying to find a new starting QB should be a priority.
things change year by year
last year orton was playing great and this year he gets cut . new season means everyone stats start back at zero . if a qb like flaco , ryan or stafford drop off like sanchez did this year none of them would get this crap . thats the bad thing playing in NY , our qb will always be a lot more under the spotlight than 90% of QB’s in the NFL
if its for you it won't pass you
Trufax about Sanchez:
http://bit.ly/zOfMNO
http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/0/seasontype/3/type/alltime-season
Give the kid a decent OC and lets see what he can do, he’s been money for us when its counted the most.
Pretty heated debate
wow, I liked the post also, arguments have been troubling and also hysterical. I am hoping for the best with Sanchez like most, and trying not to think of the worst. The bottom line in all this is that our OC completely sucks, our O line played like crap almost all year, our WR"s were a pathetic waste of cap space and even our D (with high expectations) landed flat for the year. I am excited for some change and some better team chemistry to come out of this offseason, and hopefully a new target for sanchez to utilize.
Thanks for the reality check
I am also not ready to give up on Sanchez—we saw last year what he can do with a decent O-line; the problem this year was that the pocket kept collapsing around him thanks mainly to Hunter and he had to make snap decisions, some of them bad. When he has the time and an open man (and the open man does not drop the pass, Santonio), he can be spectacular—we’ve all seen it.
Give him a better O-line and a new OC in 2012 and let’s see what he can do.
Come on man
I can’t believe someone actually wrote this much defending Sanchez as a good QB. This story has more holes in it than Rex Ryan’s ginourmous bowl of Cheerios.
First off you forgot to mention Stinkchez playing behind what was generally considered the best offensive line in football the last two years before the circus season of ‘11. If you are going to write about how good the pieces are around the QB’s above and how bad Sanchez had it then why not mention the offensive lines too?
Sanchez has no confidence, no deep ball, no pocket presence and obviously isn’t ready to lead a group of men. Sanchez had more resembance of a Sandusky schoolboy than an NFL playoff QB. The guy is terrible and was very fortunate to have a top 5 running game, top 5 defense, top five offensive line and possibly the best special teams unit in football from 2009-11.
Sanchez had none of the above this season and his true colors came out. Remember what LipoRex said at the begininning of the season-“We feel Mark is going to make huge strides this season”, what strides was he referring too? Maybe surfing strides off the coast of Cali?
Fire Tannenabum, Fire Rex and draft an NFL QB. The Jersey Ringling Bros Barnum and Bailey circus has got to end.
by 12dummies inthehuddle on Jan 10, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions
Ok 12 Dummies
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You say that this story has holes. What part? I stated that Sanchez has more playoff wins than the guys that played in the playoffs. What part of that is untrue. I stated that there is no Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Roddy White & Julio Jones & Tony Gonzalez on the Jets. Am I wrong about that? I stated that the Jets don’t have the offensive weapons that other teams have but Sanchez still went 4-2 in the playoffs. Is that incorrect? Stafford is 0-1 in the playoffs, Shaub is 0-0, Ryan 0-3, Freeman 0-0, Dalton 0-1. Those are the other QB’s. You probably read the post, but didn’t read any of the comments under the post. You say he has no deep ball. This is just the 2010-2011 season alone. Do yourself a favor and watch it. I’ll repost the link for you. Maybe you have forgotten the Sanchez deep ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ETzZRlxS6wU
It’s your opinion. So I’ll leave you to it. Everyone is entitled to the opinion of fire every player, coach, and GM and start over.
Looking forward to your post where you go into detail regarding your assertions
And back up those assertions with stats and comparisons as was done in this post.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Take a look at the 1:42 marker in the clip
He is scrambling to his right, and throws the ball off his back foot 52 yards through the air and places it on the receiver’s hands. 52 yards, while on the run, all in the air, and hits the receiver in stride.
At the 1:55 marker in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ETzZRlxS6wU
You will notice he plants his back foot and throws the ball from the Jets 17 yard line to the 20 yard line and places the ball on the receivers hands. If you have trouble counting, the ball just went 63 yards all through the air, and landed on a receivers finger tips. This is the guy you claim can’t throw a deep ball correct?
Listing great receivers on other teams doesnt justify Sanchez is a good QB
just because he doesnt have them. Because 1) he had a decent receving core every year he was a starter and 2) he has had way more help all around him on his playoff teams than those guys have had but when Sanchez didn’t get the help (this year) he was terrible and the Jets were 8-8 with a schedule that had only had 5 games vs winning teams.
Look, the guy couldnt beat a sad Miami team to get in the playoffs on the last day when it mattered most this year. I wish we had all those QBs you listed above these past two seasons because if we did we would be talking about how we won 2 SBs back to back and how we are going for three peat right now.
Even Kyle Orton would have won a SB with the Jets of 2010 & 2009, i just want a mediocre QB not a scared little boy who is a turnover machine.
As for the firing, you may find it amuzing and fun to watch your coach run a Girls Gone Wild team but truth is if he was more discipilne maybe our players would be….
And maybe we woudlnt have 12 guys in the huddle……
by 12dummies inthehuddle on Jan 10, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions
I can see that no matter what you have your mind set on 1 game and 1 season
and therefore he is the problem. Kyle Orton could have won a superbowl with the Jets? He couldn’t even start on his own team. He was dangled for half a season and the Dolphins and a host of other teams would not take him. Somehow, you believe he could have been a big time performer for the Jets? Mark Sanchez in 2009 and 2010 was not the weak link on the Jets. He lead the Jets. The defense is what let them down in the championship games.
This post wasn’t about Rex Ryan, but ask yourself, before you had Rex Ryan, what coach was taking you to back to back AFC championships? The answer is NO ONE. There have been stricter guys (Eric Mangini, Herman Edwards, Bill Parcells). None of the 3 guys that were more disciplinary have better records than Rex Ryan. Bill Parcells was 9-7, 12-4, and 8-8.
Bill Parcells is the exact opposite of Rex Ryan. Now think about this for a minute. Bill coached for 3 seasons. He had #1 NFL draft pick Keyshawn Johnson at WR, along with Wayne Chrebet, and Lavernues Coles on the Same team. That’s to go along with hall of fame running back Curtis Martin.
Those Jets of the late 90’s managed 1 AFC championship game despite a discipline and defensivie minded head coach and far more firepower at the wide receiver and running back spots.
If you think Rex isn’t getting done, I suppose you would have fired Bill Parcells and dealt the whole team back then.
Your point I guess, is that Sanchez lost a game to the Dolphins. OK. It’s 1 game. If every time a player doesn’t win a game equals he needs to get cut or dealt in your mind who would be left?
Santonio Holmes fumbled and got an interception in the Eagles game.
Cromartie fumbled coming out of the endzone on a kickoff that helped lose a game.
NIck Folk Missed 3 field goals that would have tied a game or won a game if he had made it.
Eric Smith missed a tackle to lose the Broncos game.
Kyle Wilson got torched a couple games to lose the game.
Maybe they should all be let go as well. 1 game is definately more important than the whole body of work a guy has put up. By the way. Kyle Orton was behind Tim Tebow and Bradie Quinn by the time he was out in Denver. But you think he’s the guy that could have led the Jets to a super bowl….
Ok...
First… You really should get your facts straight before posting anything…
“the guy couldn’t beat a sad miami team to get in the playoffs on the last day when it mattered most this year”.
If the Jets beat Miami, they would have made the playoffs? Really? For some reason, i think the NFL might disagree with you.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Not one game, do you really want me to go through the disasters on Sanchez's
resume? Top of head-Buffalo last year, Philly this year, Green Bay last year, Denver this year, 2 New England games, Baltimore, i mean really how many dreadful games has this guy had. He takes care of the ball worse than Plax packing a revolver.
My point was that when we needed him to win to get us to the playoffs versus a terrible team he didnt deliver. And that is Sanchgez’s M.O.-when the guy struggles he shows NO resiliency. We need a guy who can pick the team up when they are down. Can bounce back from a turnover or a sack.
Say what you want about Parcells, Mangina & Edwards at least they didnt make the Jets the most hated than the most laughed at franchise in three years. Ryan likes to pride himself on telling things how he sees it than why doesnt he see that he needs to shut up and regain order at the Atlantic Health facilities. Stop guaranteeing championships like some Sr Wr on a Miami High School team.
by 12dummies inthehuddle on Jan 10, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions
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laughed at? rex has done something none of the other guys have done: get to 2 afcc games. is that laughed at?
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And that is Sanchgez’s M.O.-when the guy struggles he shows NO resiliency. We need a guy who can pick the team up when they are down. Can bounce back from a turnover or a sack.
That’s funny…because for the past two seasons, everyone was saying the opposite about Mark Sanchez and how he was making all these great 4th quarter comebacks.
Say what you want about Parcells, Mangina & Edwards at least they didnt make the Jets the most hated than the most laughed at franchise in three years.
So you’re another person that can’t stand the criticism from other fans. If you were a true fan you wouldn’t worry about what other people think. He’s not the first person that’s guarantee-ing anything and he won’t be the last.
True fan
Cause I am embarassed about the clown ship he is running, not what other people think. The middle fingers, the Edwards booze cruise, the silly SB predictions adding pressure. Holmes acting like a high schooler after scoring TDs when being down by 25. The Alosi out of bounds side line tackle was nice to see too.
Sanchez did make some great comebacks last year against a 2-14 cleveland team, 5-11 detroit team and let;s not forget that almighty 7-9 Texans team. Where were those this year?
I will take anyone of the QBs in the playoffs this year over Sanchez, ok, maybe not Alex Smith but it would be toss up.
by 12dummies inthehuddle on Jan 10, 2012 5:13 PM EST reply actions
Why do you bother commenting so much about how much you hate this post anyway?
A lot of what you’ve said isn’t even correct.
dalton?
he played terrible. ryan? he’s 0-3 despite having great pieces around him. sanchez has excelled in the playoffs the past 2 years, something that many other qb’s have not. you want ryan? well ryan can’t win a playoff game with 2 great wr’s, a hall of fame te and a great rb. sanchez didn’t have a great rb 2 years ago, keller was not tony gonzales and yet he gets to the afcc, and ryan can’t win a game. thats nice you want another qb in the playoffs, but i like winning in the playoffs, and thats what sanchez has done
Sanchez did make some great comebacks last year against a 2-14 cleveland team, 5-11 detroit team and let;s not forget that almighty 7-9 Texans team. Where were those this year?
so now it’s a problem what the record was? our d let 27 points to the “almighty” texans. is that sanchez’s fault? the fact is, sanchez won a game that most qb’s would have lost. would matt ryan win that game? he couldn’t score against the giants when it counted, and this is with a good OC, a great running back, good o-line and great recievers. sanchez doesn’t have any of that. if ryan can’t score a point offensivly with all these great guys, but sanchez did score against the same d in a equaly as important game with a bad oc, bad wr’s and a bad o-line and not great rb’s, you would still take ryan? can you honestly explain why all that doesn’t matter? you seem to claim that if we had andy dalton, our bad o-line, our not great wr’s, bad oc, ad qb coach and one dimensional rb’s will go away. does andy dalton make brian schottenhimer not call for a short pass play on 3rd and 18? enlighten me
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12dummies......
Here’s a little tip. In know you just joined and all, but when you want to reply to a comment that someone else made, you use click on REPLY at the bottom of their post.
And just so you know, you’re logic is giving NikolaiC a run for his money.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
12dummies almost everything you have said is wrong
You had me laughing at Kyle Orton until I realized that you were serious (I think). You talk about the combacks last year against Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, and you forgot to mention Denver. 3 of those 4 teams are playoff teams this year. Also we wouldn’t have made the playoffs this year even if we beat Miami because the Titans beat the Texans in week 17.
Our offensive line was one of the best in the league in 2009, but it has steadily declined every year since. We lost Faneca going into 2010 and Damien Woody coming into this year. We filled the void left by Faneca fairly well with Slauson, but took a MAJOR step backwards replacing Woody with Hunter.
We haven’t had a top 5 running game since 2009. In 2009 we averaged 4.5 yards per rush on 607 (!!!) attempts. In 2010 we averaged 4.5 yards per rush on 534 attempts. Both of these years we had a better offensive line than we had this year, and had Brad Smith to come in and run out of the wildcat from time to time.
This year we averaged a pathetic 3.8 yards per carry on only 443 attempts. We got away from the formula that brought us 2 deep playoff runs, and threw the ball over 100 more times than we ran it.
Our defense finished the year with pretty high rankings, but for whatever reason we stopped blitzing on third down, and as a result had trouble getting off the field a lot of the time.
I’ll say it again, there are only 6 QBs’ in the playoffs I’d rather have than Sanchez: Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Manning, and Stafford. The rest are bad quarterbacks on good teams. Right now, we have a 3rd year QB who is slightly above average playing on a mediocre team…the result: an 8-8 record.
by Joe-P on Jan 10, 2012 7:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't know why everyone hates on Sanchez.
At least we actually have a QB who can win games. Unlike the past.
I'm gonna keep trying for what i want and on here it's to be a staff writer for any team in the NFL on SBNation.
by sanchise6 on Jan 10, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
THIS TIMES 10000000
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 10, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
This
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
No offense guys...
But Sanchez needs to put up regular season numbers to get to the post-season where he did well.
Eli, Ryan, and even the unpopular Tony Romo put up great stats. Especially Eli and Romo this year. I won’t declare Sanchez a bust, but I will say that the offense is holding this team back. It may be the QB, but it may just be the overall offense. We’ll find out week 8-17 next year who’s fault it is. Sanchez or Schotty.
Would you rather have Tony Romo's Regular/POST Season or Sanchez's Post/Regular seasons
And That Is a JET FIRST DOWN!!!
No This is Patrick...
by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 12, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Romo.
I mean Sanchez has had some big playoff games, but I’m not going to give Sanchez the nod based off 6 playoff games. Romo’s regular season numbers are just way better. If the Jets had Romo they might of gone to the Super Bowl in recent years. Romo’s offensive line has killed him in the playoffs. When the line held in 2009 he won a playoff game. A week later he was bashed by Minnesota. The line needs work.
But I’m not going to argue this. Romo is the better player by far.
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