The Offensive Coordinator Rumor Mill
by John B on Jan 8, 2012 9:18 AM EST
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PrintThere has been plenty of speculation about the Jets and their offensive coordinator situation over the past 24 hours. We will start with what Cimini is hearing regarding the current occupant of that post.
They want everyone to think they'd welcome back Brian Schottenheimer if he doesn't land a head-coaching job, but I'd be stunned if he's back. I could see him making a lateral move before returning.
League insiders tell me the Jets are trying to save as much as possible on Schottenheimer's remaining contract -- two years, $3.2 million. (They'd have to eat it if they fire him.) That enormous, two-year extension he received last offseason, I'm told, was a reason why they couldn't get OL coach Bill Callahan to re-up before the end of the season. Apparently, the rising tide doesn't lift all boats, as far as the Jets are concerned.
This is frustrating on so many levels. It suggests the team wants to make a change but is too cheap to do so. Instead of acting assertively and firing Schottenheimer on Monday like the Jets should have, they are dilly dallying. This delay already cost them a shot at Josh McDaniels. This whole idea the team could trick Jacksonville to take him off their hands never made sense. The Jets have been leak city lately. Eventually what they were doing was going to get out.
It is frustrating because the team is so cheap. The Schottenheimer contract is a heck of a lot cheaper than the money this team has shelled out for big name players. This looks especially bad given the absurd PSL prices and ticket price increase Woody Johnson has dumped on the fans. Why should fans have to pay for this if the team is too cheap to reinvest to make the product on the field?
It is frustrating because the team gives a bad coach good money to leave little left for a good coach, Callahan.
Finally, it is frustrating because this team never should have given Schottenheimer the extension to begin with. Anybody could have told you that. The team went to ridiculous lengths to keep it quiet because it knew how unpopular it would be. It might not be standard protocol for the Jets to announce assistant coach contract extensions, but can anybody seriously tell me after the past week that this team can keep a leak out of the press unless it really tries to do so? It's really difficult to have any faith in the Jets to run this process well at this point.
In other news, Brian Costello has a few names he is hearing the Jets might be interested in to replace Schotty.
According to sources, the Jets have targeted former Dolphins head coach Tony Sparano and Jaguars offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter as potential replacements.
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Pathetic
That is a sorry list of replacements. Who among them is a proven winner? or has a proven track record of success as an OC.??
What Else Would You Expect
from the assclowns who own and manage the NY Jets? No one in their right mind would have kept Schotty this long or even remotely consider those two doofuses as his potential replacements. If that is the move they make, I hope the team goes winless next year, and Woody loses it, fires Tanny and then himself (sells the team). He will be as much to blame as Tanny for trying to go cheap.
If Clements isn’t available or Callahan isn’t interested (who would blame him?), then the Jets should dip into the collegiate ranks. I’d be interested in WVA’s OC.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Bad situation
I am definitely a believer that Woody is a cheap owner and that is really hurting us. This is the reason why the team was several million under the cap this season. We had no depth because we were too cheap to sign a couple of veterans.
As for the Schotty extension I admit that I didnt know anything about this until recently. It was bad enough that we kept him but I just dont get the extension. You extend a coach because he is doing an excellent job and you are worried about other teams stealing him away from you. Clearly no teams were stealing a subpat OC from us so the extension never made any sense.
As for these possible replacements. I am sorry but Sparano and Koetter are both completely unacceptable choices. Neither of these guys have ever been involved with a good NFL offense and would not even be upgrades over what we have.
I dont think we ever had shot at McDaniels with him being so close to Bellichick and we got really screwed by San Diego giving Turner another year. We must hire an offensive coordinator that has either been a successful coordinator before like Todd Haley who was great in Arizona or a guy off a staff of a great offense like Green Bay or New Orleans. We have to hire Haley or Tom Clements or we are in big trouble.
Also these rumors or a dual coordinator with one guy calling pass plays and the other runs is another dumb idea. If Haley and Sparano really want to coach together we should hire Haley as the coordinator and Sparano as the line coach. This organization has a ton riding on this hire and they better get it right.
Cheap owner?
I don’t think Woody has been cheap and, frankly, there isn’t much to support that. The Jet ate Alan Faneca’s contract when they decided he was no longer effective and are rumored to be doing the same with Bart Scott.
The Jets do not need to rush the hire, and as you said Josh Mcdaniels was not a fit. I don’t think Haley is either, he is a coach who is destined to conflict with Rex based on personality (or at least how those personalities have been portrayed in the media). Haley was great in Arizona with Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald, he also gave more carries to washed up Thomas Jones than to Jamal Charles in Kansas City.
Agreed on Koetter. He is a retread. My dream candidate would have been Paul Chryst (OC from Wisconsin who took the HC Pitt job) but I still think the team should look towards college where coaches who are not retreads. I’m not familiar with anyone on Atlanta’s staff, but one of Mularkey’s position coaches may be interesting as that offense has developed in a way that we hoped the Jets would
Cheap
is the perfect word to use when an owner doesnt want to fire a coordinator over a couple of million dollars.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 8, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I guess
But why would you pay 1 dollar if you don’t have to? If you look at money spent on coaches as fixed (which is pretty much is) why would you want to give up money that could be used elsewhere? Especially when there is a very good chance that he will get a job somewhere else, I am skeptical about his chances of getting a Head Coaching job, but someone might want him to be the OC.
I just don’t understand what Jets fans rush is. The best options won’t be available until they lose in the playoffs or after Signing Day.
Good candidates are coming off the board
first McDaniels who I dont think we had a shot with anyway and now possibly Haley with the Cardinals. The longer we keep Schottenheimer the more likely it is that we will be stuck with second tier candidates.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 8, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree on Haley
I don’t think he’s a fit. He’s been a pass first guy. I also don’t think his personality is a fit with Rex. Former head coaches tend to want to be future head coaches, and Tannenbaum’s focus has been on stability in the coaching staffs (to his detriment with Schotty). I really think the Jets need to go back to what got them far, strong offensive line play. I think someone off of Houston’s staff could be interesting as well.
Also want to be clear, if all the dust settles and Brian is the OC for the Jets, then I will agree 100% with your assessment of Woody being cheap/stubborn on him.
Why?
How about because firing BS is the only smart and right thing to do? It is the thing that needs to be done to send a signal to the players, the NFL and the fans that the team is taking the necessary steps to address their problems. He should never have been extended anyway. That is just insane.
Early on, Woody was not cheap. But there have been lots of questions and speculation in the media over the last year or two that Woody is getting cheaper. I remember reading that as having been a reason why Schottenheimer wasn’t fired a year or two ago (not having to pay the rest of his contract). Why else wouldn’t the team have signed some veteran OL depth last season instead of going with UDFA and low round draft picks??
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Chryst would've been a superb hire
by J-Nasty on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sparano would be a good hire if ...
Bill Callahan was promoted to OC
In which case Sparano could be the OL coach
Apparently Sparano was Dallas' lead play caller in 06
And they ranked 5th in total offense that year, but I think I would rather just bring him in as the O-line coach if Callahan were to leave.
Just please don’t bring in Koetter.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 8, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions
But he lost his job to Jason Garrett
So there must have been something wrong there
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
He got hired by Miami?
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Not until 2008
In 2003, when Sparano was hand-picked by Bill Parcells to be the tight ends coach of the Dallas Cowboys, he started to make a name for himself. After moving around every year or so, Sparano was finally able to plant some roots.
Tony Sparano stayed on after Bill Parcells and the Cowboys parted ways, but lost his play-calling duties to newly hired offensive coordinator, Jason Garrett.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
I’m not sure that’s an indictment on Sparano. If I remember correctly, Jerry Jones fell in love with Garrett. I’m not sure JJ is the best judge of talent.
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That's what I was going to say...
Plus, that’s no terribly uncommon during a regime change. Personally, I like the idea of getting Sparano.
Garrett's offense is good
It was their defense that screwed them in 09. Their D improved this year, but their corners are really bad and Garrett isn’t much of a game manager having to juggle all of the things he has to. That offense is still really good.
I really wonder who the Jets 1st choice for OC is.
They really don’t seem proactive in getting a new one and maybe they’re just ready to promote Cally as soon as Schotty gets hired or fired.
by DesertJetFan on Jan 8, 2012 10:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
More frustration for the fans
This franchise continues to amaze me with their complete ineptitude and dysfunction.
Most annoying part of this-the logic of giving Schotty an extension in the first place (aside from trying to hide it). How in the world does 5 years of sub-par mediocrity warrant an extension?
Callahan seems to have every reason to want to leave this assbackward franchise.
I’d be fine with a Sparano O-Line, Haley OC tandem.
Just make a move already!
I don't like either canadates that the Jets are looking at
I was hoping the Jets would go after someone like peter carmicheal jr. the Saints OC or Tom Clements the QB coach for the Packers
"I want to be a catcher. I love to catch. I like to be a catcher. I like to be in the middle of the game. I mean, it's my position. I want to play my position."-Jesus Montero
Clements and Carmichael
are two great candidates. We should be looking to hire someone from a team that has a prolific offense. Along with those two Haley would be a solid choice as he did well with the cardinals. We should not hire from within which is why I dont want Callahan and we have no business looking at the likes of Sparano and Koetter who are coaching teams with bad offenses.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 8, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Possible good news
The fact that we haven’t heard anything about Callahan, since he is not under contract is good news. The Bengals lost, which means OC Jay Gruden will interview shortly with Jacksonville and end this dance.
If we are looking at substandard Offensive Coordinators, how about Brian Dabol out of Miami. Former Jet QB Coach, went with Mangini to Cleveland, then to Miami, the jets know the guy, he knows the current jet system and some of the players. The thought here is that Callahan is the OC, with Dabol in charge of the Passing game.
Dabol
is pure garbage. There are far better guys out there.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 8, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
@ jetorange
knowing the current jets system is not a a added bonus for a reason to hire an OC …. Miami and Cleveland offense is not a bonus on the resume either
Actually the ironic part about the guy worse than Schotty
When the Dolphins did it last year with Dabol or whoever they actually improved.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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I'm confused by all this
Why would we possibly swap OCs with the other worst offensive teams in the league in Miami and Jacksonville? Please do not do this. I would take Haley or even Sparano over Schotty but I’d rather they just gave it to Callahan or someone with a proven track record. If they hire the Jags guy I will start to think they are trying to fail.
Haley
has a good track record when he was OC of the cardinals. Hearing names like Sparano and Koetter is pitiful.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 8, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Reports are he is close to returning as OC of the Cardinals.
Deal could be finalized as soon as today.
by Traveling Man on Jan 8, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Terrible
that this organization is waiting around and watching the good candidates take other jobs just so Schottenheimer has a better chance at a head coaching job. I will be absolutely shocked if any team hires that idiot as its head man.
I also bet that Schotty will be lucky if some dopey team even hires him as a QB coach.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 8, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Haley
this organizaion should be trying to get this guy now. Assuming Green Bay wont allow Clements to leave haley is as good a choice as there is.
Why cant this organization be proactive for once and get a top guy instead of watching other organizations take them and leave us with the scraps. We should have a deal done with haley with the understanding that it wnt be announced until Schottenheimer is told he isnt getting a head coaching job. Its not like the Bidwells are giving haley some incredible deal anyway. Why this organization seems so indebted to a guy that has done a terrible job for six years is something I will never understand.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 8, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Green Bay can't stop Clements from interviewing for a position higher than his present one.
He is the QB coach at Green Bay, not the OC. So any OC job is an upgrade. And I don’t necessarily think Haley would be a good fit for the Jets. Any coach that was so recently a HC and may still want to be one would still have the bug. If he had any type of success he would be gone in a flash.
We need someone coming up the ladder, and who has some ideas how to use his existing personnel to the best advantage.
by Traveling Man on Jan 8, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Haley
of course he wants another head coaching job but the only way he gets one is to do a great job as an offensive coordinator lik he did in Arizona. Haley will be highly motivated and if he gets the best out of Sanchez he will get another head job.
I wouldnt worry about how long the guy stays on the job as long as he does well. If we hire haley and he goes in a year or two it will mean that our offense has done well.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 8, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
not true
Qb coach and oc are on the same level. They’re both considered assistant coaches.
by revis24fan on Jan 9, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Based on the coaches that are still available..
I would like to see one of the following scenarios play out. After we get rid of Schotty – and I’m convinced that one way or the other he is gone – either we sign Callahan as Assistant HC/Offensive Coordinator, and bring in Sparano as the line coach (assuming he doesn’t return to Dallas) or wait for GB to be done in the playoffs and sign Clements as the OC. In the second scenario I don’t think Callahan will return until he has explored all his options to be an OC somewhere else.
I think the Jets are trying to give Schotty the chance to be an HC. It makes no business sense in this day and age but for some reason Rex has a love affair with the Schottenheimer family and is trying to give BS the best shot to be a head coach. I don’t think Woody is cheap – he’s ponied up a lot of money when asked to by the brain trust. Why Tanny didn’t use the space under the cap to add some depth this year is something I don’t think we’ll ever get the real answer on, but I suspect it goes back to the overall total mis-evaluation of the talent level on this team. It also may have to do with the fact that while the Jets were under the cap last year, I think they are going to be over the cap in 2012 if the cap stays at $125 million, and as Tannenbaum has said in the past, they are trying to look to the future as well as the present when they make moves.
No excuses
why we didnt sign a couple of veteran offensive lineman to one year deals when we had no depth last year. One year deals do not affect the future cap and the fact that we were under the cap with such an obvious need for more lineman is a sign of an owner wanting to save a few million.
I also dont see why a billionaire like Woody would worry about eating a few mil of Schottys contract when its obvious he did a terrible job.
Mort Reports
Marty Scottenheimer is in the Mix for the Tampa Job, father and son combo, two for the price of one….hope
Yeah having a father-son coaching combo has worked out so well in the league.
Just as Washington and Miami can attest given their track records with their experiences.
by Traveling Man on Jan 8, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It actually worked
in San Diego, with some slapdick QB coach.
Wonderful.
Same Old Jets. Freaking Micky Mouse, Inc. Now I think I’ll go eat a cactus.
by Crackback on Jan 8, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
can't afford to wait
We can’t afford to wait. Good coaches don’t last long in the market. We should of been got rid of Schotty as far as…black monday. I really believe that we should promote Callahan. If we wait to long trying to be the good guy, Callahan may get hired somewhere else. Then what? I just wondering, what OC coach from somewhere else with an explosive offense want to deal with a young QB still trying to find the way.
bleed green and white
by greenandwhite4ever on Jan 8, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions
Obviously if Callahan gets hired elsewhere then there is a big problem
But otherwise, if Schottenheimer can get himself hired elsewhere, Tanny saves his boss $3.2 mill. It makes sense that they don’t want to pay that money. Obviously, Woody doesn’t want to give away money. And obviously, Tanny would be at fault if they did give away that money. So really, it makes all the sense in the world to move slowly especially if there is already a handshake deal in place with Callahan.
And there are still 10 teams as of today who had good enough offenses to make the playoffs.
If the Jets have a quiet interest in any guys on those staffs – hopefully excepting Baltimore – they have to wait.
by Traveling Man on Jan 8, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Frankly...
I think they should have pay double and anyone in the organization that thought giving that moron an extension should have to pay part of the pot—from Woody to Tanny to Rex to ANY PLAYER that liked the idea.
Also, any fan who was in favor of it.
It is incomprehensible to me that anyone would give Brian Schottenheimer an extension after years of subpar to, at best, mediocre offensive performances.
In One Sense, I Agree
Callahan would definitely be light years better than Sparano or Koetter. This franchise does wait too long and always winds up having to settle.
That said, I think the team needs to reach out now and ask for permission to speak to Clements and determine if he has any interest in the job. If so, then they should wait. If not, then contact the Saints about speaking to Carmichael. If he has no interest, then the Jets should go ahead with Callahan.
It will also depend upon whether Rex seriously thinks the team will challenge for the SB next year, or if this season has awakened his fat ass to the reality that this team is probably at least 2-3 years away. If he thinks that they can return to the playoffs again next year (and he undoubtedly does, then he’ll probably opt for Callahan or someone with NFL experience). If he thinks they may be a few years away, then hiring a creative and successful collegiate OC from a big-time program might be the best way to go.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
JUst from other reports....
Well on SI Friday – Peter King reported that Jacksonville was hot on Joe DeCamillis. He was the Special Teams Co-Ord. for the Dallas Cowboys. So Schotty might want to grab that resume again and check on the High School he went to and see if they have an opening.
He(Peter King) also was predicting that Josh McDaniels would be returning to the Pats and that has now been confirmed. Todd Haley is supposedly heading back to the desert to reunite with the Cards. So ther goes to good choices for a new OC for the team.
Next…….?
"It's only through change we learn to grow".
If the jets just promote Callahan
Im convince the FO is jus lazy and is not putting any effort into this situation. I cant believe we pay $300+ every week to get this kind of effort from the FO …. I understand KC had injuries on offense, but wtf did miami n jville offense do for their coaches to be considered …. Tanny is just as smart as Shotty.
Time IS of essence here in deciding who is the new OC......
Well the Jets FO needs to get their act together very quickly. The Sr. College "All- Star " games start on Jan. 14th…believe that is East-West and then Senior Bowl following. I can’t remember if there is one more game in between the 2 or just the 2 games. But irregardless, if we are going to have some scouting in place it would be real nice to have our new OC and his staff present for these games. Saves for a lot of headaches later when we’re bitching about poor draft pics.
"It's only through change we learn to grow".
Cracks suggestion is best option
Fire Shotty, promote Callahan and bring in Gannon as QB coach.
Gannon would definitely toughen up Mark
I love that idea. Get it done!!!
I hate that Tanny threw Mark under the bus saying he didn’t play well or improve. But what did Tanny do? Go cheap on O-line, go all in and loose on Aso, shuffle your young qb’s receiving corps like cards, year after year get rid of all the charachter glue guys/team leaders and give a bloated contract extension to a sub par OC.
I say Tanny had a worse year than Sanchez did.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
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