A disturbing trend
by BIG OH!!!!! on Jan 7, 2012 12:29 PM EST
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| First I want to thank everybody whom been providing mock drafts. I'm not a fan of college football, hence, not having the knowledge to speak on whom the Jets should draft. The mocks have brought me up to speed on who's worth taking a look at. However, like most Jets fans, I know what positions of need should desperately be filled. Please look at the draft history of Rex Ryan tenure with the Jets. | |||
| 2011 | |||
| Rnd | Name | College | Note |
| 1 | Muhammad Wilkerson | Temple | |
| 3 | Kenrick Ellis | Hampton | |
| 4 | Bilal Powell | Louisville | |
| 5 | Jeremy Kerley | TCU | |
| 6 | Caleb Schlauderaff | Utah | |
| 7 | Greg McElroy | Alabama | |
| 7 | Scotty McKnight | Colorado | |
| 2010 | |||
| Rnd | Name | College | Note |
| 1 | Kyle Wilson | Boise State | |
| 2 | Vladimir Ducasse | Massachusetts | |
| 4 | Joe McKnight | USC | |
| 5 | John Conner | Kentucky | |
| 2009 | |||
| Rnd | Name | College | Note |
| 1 | Mark Sanchez | Southern Cal | |
| 3 | Shonn Greene | Iowa | |
| 6 | Matt Slauson | Nebraska | |
This post is not about which pick panned out or not. On the contrary, this post is about the Jets ignoring weakness, while trying to strengthening strengths.
Lets look at 2009
I have no problem with the Sanchez pick, they may have picked him too high, but I believe they really gave up nothing to get him. The Shonn Greene Pick. At the the time The Jets had Thomas Jones and Leon Washington as their running backs. This is an example of strengthen your strengths. It turned out to be a great pick, due to Washington getting hurt during the season, and Greene basically carrying the team during their playoff run. Slauson was also a pick trying strengthening a strength. Since this was Rex first draft, with only three picks, can't say too much about it, but I hope you guys see where I'm going with this.
2010
In 2009 the Jets gave up eight passing TD's all season. They were the number one defense in the league and I believe number one against the pass. That off season, they traded for Antonio Cromartie and drafted Kyle Wilson. Again, this is not how these guys panned out. Its just another example of the Jets strengthening a strength. They also drafted Joe McKnight and brought in LDT at running back. This is after leading the league in rushing in 2009. Add John Conner and Vlad Ducasse, the Jets were gearing up to keep their number one rankings in defense and rushing from the previous year.
What's disturbing is they completely ignored through the draft and free agency the team need for a pass rusher since the majority of their sacks came from their secondary. They also traded away Kerry Rhodes whom wasn't a star, but I believe we all agree was a decent safety who was pretty good in coverage.
2011
IN 2010, the Jets fell from first to third in overall defense. They were still pretty good defending wide receivers and i believe they were in the top five stopping the run. However, teams started to attack the Jets safeties of Jim Leonhard, Eric Smith and Brodney Pool, whom was the starting FS at the beginning of the season.
The Jets wanted to get younger on the defensive line, so I have no problem with their first two picks. Also, the D-line had a poor showing in the AFC CHIP. Again, not judging how the rest of the picks will panned out, the Jets picked another running back and another offensive guard. They did nothing to address the safety issue, in fact made the safeties weaker by trading Dwight Lowery for a cup of coffee. Also, fooled by the fact they finished the season in the top five in sacks, they AGAIN did nothing to address the lack of pass rushers on the team.
So lets recap. The Jets in Rex three drafts have selected two quarterbacks, two wide receivers, three offensive guards, and four running backs. They also traded their best cover safety and best play making safety/corner. While doing these deeds, they have basically ignore glaring weakness like drafting a safety or outside linebacker, nor possibly bringing in or attempting to bring in an elite safety or linebacker.
With this said, can you possibly trust this front office to shore up this team's needs?
Please give me your opinion on this matter.
I also like to add, They did bring in Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes, which were great trades, but probably made a mistake keeping Holmes over Edwards. Also, going after Nnamdi was another example of strengthening a strength over fixing a weakness.
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Perhaps they just go for who they think the best player is
regardless of position?
It’s a crap shoot, no matter what your strategy is.
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not just talking about the draft
They also have not pursued FA ignoring glaring needs
Good Points
Ignoring positions is Tanny’s modus operandi. He is clueless., I don’t know why he gets so much love from Jets’ fans. I don’t trust Rex or Tanny any further than I can throw them.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Their philosophy seems to be bring youth into aging situations,
then trying (Or not trying to) improve positions through free agency. Jones was aging and Washington wasn’t an every down back, so they tried to pick up an every down back. After Washington’s injury they should have tried to get a deal on a younger FA back not draft two more and pick up another aging back, LDT. The Powell pick was really a waste.
The linemen brought in were projects to fill in for other aging pieces, Fanaca and Woody. Vlad was an admitted giant project when they brought him in. Connor replaces an aging T-Rich.
McElroy was a pure value pick, and since we had fairly crappy backups at QB a smart pick. Scotty McKnight seemed to be a redundant pick based on them picking up Kerley, unless they thought Kerley had some question marks.
Mo Wilk and Ellis were picks that did go after a need (Rather unsuccessfully thus far), young pass rushing players. Shaun Ellis was aging and looking for more money but with likely declining play. Kenrick Ellis was another value pick, IMO, but filled the need for DT depth and especially one to rush the passer, unlike Pouha.
All in all I get your point, but it’s really more complicated then the FO missing glaring needs all over. The picks did fill needs for younger players in depth positions which saves money in the long run. The did reach for a few picks, obviously Vlad but I even think Mo Wilk could have been had with a trade down. Then the nonsensical picks of Powell and McKnight, which happen to every team.
The real strike out here was in FA. Woody sitting on money, is his own choice, but it hurt us early on with the offensive line debacle. And the bargain bin players we have been getting come with no leadership traits which was the ultimate coup de grace on the second half of our season.
There’s no moderation, they went all in at the bargain bin for year two now. I think Big Jenks scared them off from signing big names for big dollars and they are just in the mindset of keeping players we already have or signing value ones they can cut loose when they start to not pan out.
i agree, they have not pursue any FAs except Nnamdi
And I thought that move was stupid based on how much they were willing to spend.
Every player you pointed out
as being a bad acquisition other than Ducasse (Greene, Slausen, Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Joe McKnight, Conner, and even McElroy in the preseason) have been big producers for us this year. Each of them had big parts in the Jets’ successes this year. I couldn’t imagine the New York Jets without them and I love each one of them
i didn't say any move or pick was a bad one
I said they ignored glaring weaknesses. They could had made the same picks, but at least try to fill positions via FA.
you make very valid points
i think mike T uses the draft as a negation tool for up coming FA also .
but they have ignored a hell of a lot of needs .
if rex and mike really thought we needed a pass rusher last year was to year to pull the trigger . it was the best draft for pass rushers ( sacks wise ) for 20 years .
if its for you it won't pass you
Valid points except for keeping Braylon over Santonio
Up until the blowup in Miami, everybody was fine with Santonio. Before that it was Edwards over Plax. I would say Plax helped the Jets do exactly what they wanted, which was to improve their red zone scoring. I might be wrong but i thought I heard they were tops in the league.
Not sure why anybody second guesses letting Braylon go, he wasnt good this year. All the peeps here laud Harbargh for saving Alex Smith yet he couldnt work with Braylon, but the public enemy #1 Schotty could?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
he couldn't work with Braylon because Braylon was injured
and maybe Schotty could or could not, but Braylon Edwards obviously worked out well for us last year.
And no, not everyone was fine with Santonio. It wasn’t the first time he acted out on the Jets and he’s had his share of potential game changing fails (ie dropped balls, penalties).
So if he had injury concerns, how the heck would keeping him do us any good this year?
I hate what Holmes did in the Miami game and he shouldve never been named a captain but I think he let his frustration get the better of him. No, Im not defending him or making excuses for him but I can understand the frustration. Also, if you ask any coach in the league who they would rather have, they would all go with Holmes, even after this mess. Braylon didnt exactly have teams beating his door down in 11.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
really? have you asked all the coaches in the league?
who did you ask?
Anyway, again that “how would he help us if he’s injured” is not a good argument. There’s no telling if he would have been injured if he were on the Jets or not. And i’m not going through the whole Braylon didn’t get many offers thing again. We don’t know what actually happened and it very well could have been that he got the short end of the FA stick waiting for the Jets during a 1 week FA period.
Only an idiot would get in trouble like Braylon did while he was a FA
On top of that, if this guy is such a game changer, why would he be cut by a team with issues at WR about to make a run in the playoffs?
I liked Braylon and felt he enjoyed his time here and never wanted to leave but people making it like we let Randy Moss in his prime go makes me laugh.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
On top of that, if this guy is such a game changer, why would he be cut by a team with issues at WR about to make a run in the playoffs?
That’s simple. The team wanted only one of the two WR and decided Santonio was the better WR. Obviously, it’s cost them up to this point.
He may not be Randy Moss in his prime…there may not be another Randy Moss…but Braylon Edwards was certainly the most effective WR we’ve had in a long time…even with Schotty’s incompetence. And I think that means a lot. The game tape doesn’t lie.
Braylon may not be Randy in his prime, but Holmes didn't even play like Cotchery in his prime so...
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 7, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Braylon may not have produced this season, while he was injured, but Holmes was healthy as a horse, got paid 50 million dollars and had a paltry 600 yards, child please.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 7, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Holmes also only caught 50 percent of passes thrown his way. That stat is particularly ugly for an overpaid #1 WR
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 7, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Im guessing that had nothing to do with his QB
How many times did captain checkdown just ignore a wide open Holmes for a dump off? I can recall plenty of times where posters here pointed out many times during game threads that Holmes was wide open yet Sanchez tried forcing it to Keller on a check down or some other play like it. But keep blaming everybody but the true problem on this team.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Thats a lying stat is I ever saw one.
And I’m no Holmes fan. But it looks like you’re trying to make it seem like Holmes dropped 50% of the balls thrown in his direction. Where its much more likely that 50% of the balls thrown in his general neighborhood weren’t even remotely catchable.
SF actually has a logjam at wr. They have no issues.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 8, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
and, isn't it ironic
if it’s true…to be tops in red zone scoring but at the bottom of offensive ranking?
stats lie
Thats just percentage. You can get in the red zone 10 times score 9 of them and be tops in the league with 90% efficiency. However The Saints got in 100 times scored 80 times and only ranked behind them with 80% which team would you rather be?
I think what was really made their approach more misguided
is the amount of offensive players they drafted. Only 3 out of 14 players on that list were defensive players, and almost all the large moves were on the offensive side (Braylon, Holmes).
This further adds to the futility of our offense and the coaching staff when the organization has been focusing on improving that side of the ball through the draft AND trades/signings and it STILL is an epic fail.
Also adding to that futility is the amount of late round picks we have given the offense. I think it’s obvious to us that if those picks were for the defensive side, we could have had more Aaron Maybins and depth at safety/linebacker. Rex would probably coach those picks up better than Schotty.
Only problem with that statement..
I dont recall Rex coaching up anybody on defense since he has been here. I mean who can you point to that is better because of Rex? As far as on the offense, Im not sure Schotty was handed great offensive players through the draft. I guess that would be on Tanny and Co, but I would think all the coaches on the staff would have some input into a pick.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
And Im not talking about empty stat rankings
Im talking taking a player and turning him into a better player.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Robert Turner was pretty good in 2010, Matt Slausen was pretty good this year
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
Those two arent on defense, we both know rex has nothing to do with offense
i would Callahan the credit for those two.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
So Rex doesn't get credit for the guys who play well on offense?
I was under the impression the HC coaches both the offense and defense.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 7, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im guessing you didnt watch the presser where Rex basically said he didnt know what was going on
He didnt even know why Santonio was out of the game. Im guessing he and Schotty arent on the same frequency. Not sure why they even have headsets. Not sure what is more laughable, you thinking Rex has anything to do with the offense or the person that rec’d your comment.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
I did watch the press conference
but I’m smart enough to realize 80% of what Rex and Tanny were saying was not true. I find it more laughable you actually believed them.
Just use some common sense….I’m not saying Rex is sitting in on offensive meetings or he double checks Schotty’s game plan…that’s not his job. Rex had weekly meetings with Tone, Keller, Sanchez and 1 other offensive guy. Do you think they sat around and talked about the weather? He also met with Tone, Mason and Plax. Rex knew exactly what was happening but his hands were tied. He can’t fire the guy, the only thing he could do was remind Schotty of what he wants the game plan to be.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
So because Rex has ice cream socials with a couple fellas on offense, he is in tune to what is going on?
Um, why would Rex lie about whats going on with the offense? He is getting torn a new one by every football guy out there for not having a clue about whats going on with the team. You are giving Rex a pass, when its the job of the HC to have control over the entire team, which he obviously doesnt. When a third string QB is going on the radio saying what a mess it was, youve got a problem.
And to think Rex has a hand in developing anybody on the offense, especially the guys on the line, you obviously arent paying attention to the things going on. Oh, BTW, it is Rex’s job to check on the offensive game plan and to know what is going on with all players on this team at all times. Thats why he is the HC.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Rex lies a lot about a lot of things...
I think it’s perfectly feasible that he lied about not knowing what was going on with the players on offense. The dude has eyes in his head, tone and the WRs were a problem earlier for him to be totally oblivious makes no sense. I think Rex likes to play good cop/bad cop with his team(OC and DC are the bad cops and Rex is the good cop)…if he admits this that he lies to his players and tries to play them, he is going to loose the team. I think it works on Defense because the players respect our DC and they trust in his game plan. I think that the good cop/bad cop thing blew up on O this year because some players on our O feel Schotty is a piece of trash. Take Holmes for example…he is going to feel a lot more justified if Rex is in his ear playing good cop, being nice to him and saying he sees why he is angry, and telling him everything he wants to hear.
Schotty lost control of the O, in Rex’s coaching system the OC and DC actually keep the team under control. He seems more like a game planner/ inspirational guy. I’m not sure the FO really lets him do much more…Rex is always going to support his players and coachs unconditionally for better for worse..meaning if he gets stuck with someone crappy like Schotty and he doesn’t have the power to fire him(which I don’t think the FO gives Rex at this point). Rex is going to try and motivate him by telling him and the media that he believes in him, and thinks he can do a good job. I think Rex does the same thing with players…Since Rex is always supporting the FO, it looks like he has a lot more say in things than he actually does.
Everyone here has praised Sione Pouha, Mike Devito and Aaron Maybin
I think they’re all good examples.
Maybin was never used correctly by the Bills but I thought it was some unknown intern Mike Smith that was getting the credit for turning him around?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Rex coached up Revis!!!
Pouha, Devito, Harris, Cro, Maybin…
Revis, Harris and Cro were already good players when Rex got here
Pouha and DeVito were pleasant surprises, but still replaceable. Im talking Rex developing an unknown guy into something special. Im not trying to diminish what Rex has done, I like the guy.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Cmon guy. Really?
Pouha and Devito were absolute nobodies before Rex got here. Now there among the best DLs in the league they’re far from being replaceable with a snap of the fingers and a sprinkle of pixie dust.
Revis was a very good player that became THE best thats ever played because of the way he’s been utilized under Rex.
Maybin was a sackless bust before exploding on the scene here.
by Crackback on Jan 8, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A few things...
2009 – Jets drafted Sanchez because they didn’t have a QB. They drafted Greene because they thought he was a first round talent that had dropped to the 3rd round. Also, Thomas Jones and Leon Washington were threatening and did hold out in camp. And Slauson, who is now a starter, played for Callahan in college.
2010 – Kyle Wilson was drafted because Revis was holding out. They were ready to move on without Revis. Ducasse, McKnight and Connor were all drafted to replace older guys (with less than the best success).
2011 – Yes, they were trying to make the D Line younger and deeper after getting torched early in the AFC Champ game. The rest of the picks are just best player available I think. Powell, while I wasn’t the biggest fan of the pick, will now replace McKnight as 3rd RB while McKnight will replace LDT as 2nd RB, so it makes sense. Finally, we didn’t draft Caleb Schlad… he was a trade.
All in all, I don’t think there is much to be upset about here. There are alot of guys contributing from those drafts and thats all you want. Obviously, they thought they had decent OLBs and Safeties on the roster.
Finally, just cause I thought it was funny… Kerry Woods was a picher for the Cubs. Kerry Rhodes was of FS that was never adequately replaced.
What are you taking about, I put Kerry Rhodes?
Just Kidding, thanks, surprise it got this far before someone notice that.
bq.All in all, I don’t think there is much to be upset about here. There are alot of guys contributing from those drafts and thats all you want. Obviously, they thought they had decent OLBs and Safeties on the roster.
I’m not complaining about who they drafted, they may have had taken BPA. My point is they completely ignore their glaring weakness. Trading Lowery and starting Eric Smith is a move us as fans felt was stupid at the time these things happen. Makes you want to question the thinking going on with Rex and Tanny.
It looks like they throw help at Schotty and the offense while trusting Rex "system" will always produce good D.
Its starting to look like a waste to throw anything at the offense. We probably could have built a stout D and had better results with Cotchery and Clowney as the WRs. (I’m not so sure of that last part, j/k)
no...you're probably right about that last part
maybe not better results…but probably the same results
Um
We probably had the best draft in the NFL for 2009, it’s amazing what we did with 3 picks.
I don't care what people say about me and i will keep doing what i enjoy.
Minor Point
Jets didn’t draft Schlauderhoff last year. He was GB’s 6th rounder. Jets didn’t have a 6th round pick.
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