A Look Into My Crystal Ball: Breaking Down Jets Free Agency 2012
In this post, I will be breaking down this coming years free agency for the New York Jets. I will analyze both the Jets own free agents and who they will likely resign or let go, and I will take a look at players destined to hit the open market. I'm warning you, this will be a lengthy post, so get those reading glasses, a cup of Joe, sit back, and chill out bro.
This year was a very depressing year for a Jets fan. Rex Ryan spent the whole offseason guaranteeing that this team is ready for a Super Bowl, without even knowing what the team would look like that season. This lead to an 8-8 season due to poor coaching and poor execution on each side of the ball. While some young players flashed and showed their ability, the Jets veterans slid downward. This includes trusted guys like D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Santonio Holmes, Wayne Hunter, Eric Smith, and Antonio Cromartie. In order to get back on track and get past this season of inconsistencies, the Jets must aggressively approach what may end up being the most important offseason in the history of the franchise. Unfortunately, the free agent class this year is pretty weak as we have seen some of the more top notch talent sign deals with their teams prior to hitting the open market (see Larry Fitzgerald). The Jets are stuck with the challenge of not only finding an upgrade for positions of weakness, but they must also find both young players to build this team around, and a leader to provide a strong locker room presence. Without further adieu, lets take a look at New York Jets Free Agency 2012.
The first thing the New York Jets must do this offseason, as any team in the NFL should, is decide which of their own free agents they want to resign or give up. The Jets have a fairly strong group of free agents this year. I will rank them in order of what I believe is strongest to weakest.
- Sione Pouha, Nose Tackle
- Jim Leonhard, Safety
- Aaron Maybin, Outside Linebacker
- Brodney Pool, Free Safety
- Jamaal Westerman, Outside Linebacker
- Plaxico Burress, Wide Receiver
- Robert Turner, Offensive Line
- Marquice Cole, Cornerback
- Patrick Turner, Wide Receiver
- Bryan Thomas, Outside Linebacker
- Ladainian Tomlinson, Running Back
- Donald Strickland, Cornerback
- Martin Tevaseu, Nose Tackle
- Nick Folk, Kicker
- Kevin O'Connell, Quarterback
- Matthew Mulligan, Blocking Tight End
- Mark Brunell, Quarterback
Looking at that list of free agents, I think the person that must be resigned right away is Sione Pouha. Nose Tackles largely go unnoticed in the league, but to us Jets fans, Sione is one of the best players on this team. in fact, ProFootballFocus.com ranked Sione Pouha as the best 34 Nose Tackle in the NFL this year. For a team that prides itself on stopping the run, Sione Pouha is a God. He must be brought back. Pouha is the only player that I truly believe the Jets must bring back, however there are players that the Jets would be very wise to bring back. Jim Leonhard, Aaron Maybin, Brodney Pool, and Plaxico Burress I believe the Jets should also make it a priority to sign back. Jim Leonhard plays Rex Ryan's 34 SS position very well and is a leader on a team that so desperately needs one. Aaron Maybin supplied the only consistent pass rush this season for the Jets. He is young and developmental, but if the coaches can force some meat on his bones and lock him up in the weight room for a couple months, he might be able to turn into an every down linebacker. Brodney Pool is the best coverage safety on the team, which isn't saying much. However, I think if the coaching staff spent an offseason focusing on Pool being the primary starter over Eric Smith at Free Safety and give him more first team reps, he could possibly lock up the free safety position. Plaxico Burress came in with many critics this season, but ended up assisting an anemic redzone offense, ultimately helping turn it into the most efficient red zone offense in the NFL in 2011. If the Jets ca sign him back for a one or two year contract for a low dollar amount, I think it would be smart to put him into a red zone specialist role where he could strive. Players like Jamaal Westerman, Robert Turner, Marquice Cole, Patrick Turner, and Martin Tevaseu are all depth players and there is a good chance they will be resigned.
In terms of players who should not be resigned, Bryan Thomas, Ladainian Tomlinson, Nick Folk, Matthew Mulligan, and Mark Brunell are all relevant names. In Thomas', Tomlinson's, and Brunell's case, they are just old and there is not much point in resigning them as they would occupy a roster spot that could be filled by a young playmaker. Folk is inaccurate and it is time to let him walk away. Mulligan is a penalty machine who saw way to many snaps this season thanks to the brilliant King of Predictability Brian Schottenheimer.
Ultimately, here is who I see being signed and who I see being let go:
Resigned:
- Sione Pouha
- Jim Leonhard
- Aaron Maybin
- Brodney Pool
- Robert Turner
- Marquice Cole
- Patrick Turner
- Martin Tevaseu (practice squad)
Let Go:
- Jamaal Westerman
- Plaxico Burress
- Bryan Thomas
- Ladainian Tomlinson
- Donald Strickland
- Nick Folk
- Matthew Mulligan
- Mark Brunell
- Kevin O'Connell
Now, before free agency kicks into gear, there is the NFL Draft. One of my favorite things to do in my spare time is watch videos of prospects and do mock drafts. The mocks are always changing. Here is the one that I will base the rest of this post off of (I am not including compensatory selections):
Round 1: Trent Richardson, Running Back, Alabama
Easily the best running back in the country. I was opposed to taking a running back in round one, but then I watched almost every game from Trent Richardson this season. This team prides itself on the run and relies on the ground game to take pressure off of Sanchez. Having a gound and pound offense that has the best running back since AP, along with the bellcow Shonn Greene, and the explosiveness of Joe McKnight, the Jets offensive future could look bright.
Round 2: Vinny Curry, 34 OLB, Marshall
Curry has been the most consistent defensive player in college football for the past couple of seasons. He played defensive end for Marshall but is a much better 34 OLB prospect for the NFL. He could really provide a great, consistent pass rush that we need badly. He played a poor level of competition at Marshall, but he did dominate as he should have and really showed his swagger.
Round 3: Andrew Datko, Offensive Tackle, Florida State
Datko went down this season with a torn ACL. If it weren't for the injury, he likely would have been a borderline first round pick. He is good in both pass protection and run protection. He should help sure up the right tackle position, or at least provide great depth should we sign a free agent.
Round 4: Brian Quick, Wide Receiver, Appalachian State
One of my favorite receivers in the draft. Quick is 6'5" and has great leaping, catching, and yards after catch ability. He played at a division two school, but he absolutely dominated and he is going to be one of the most prized small school players in this years draft. Should we add Quick, along with another free agent receiver, I would feel great about out crop of receiving talent moving forward.
Round 5: Julian Miller, 34 OLB, West Virginia
Had a breakout year in 2011. He was part of a great pass rushing defense and really strutted his stuff. He has a good ceiling, but needs a lot of work and is a good project. Would provide good depth at the position.
Round 6: George Iloka, Safety, Boise State
A developmental safety. He is tall and he is fast. He could be a great player in the future if he gets good coaching. Very attractive option in such a late round.
Round 7: Dominique Davis, Quarterback, East Carolina
A developmental quarterback. He went 40 for 45 in one game this season and really flashed his upside. He could be a good career backup if he gets proper attention.
Another key part of free agency is cutting players that are currently signed onto the respective teams roster. Any coach will tell you that this is the hardest part of their job, but it is still very important and must be done. I am not a cap expert and I don't know how any of my predicted moves will affect the Jets spending flexability in the offseason. Most of my moves are on minor players, however, and I still believe that these are the proper measures to take despite how they will affect the Jets cap space.
Players to Cut:
- Logan Payne, Wide Receiver
- Gerald Alexander, Safety
- Eric Smith, Safety (chump)
- Tracy Wilson, Safety
- Bart Scott, Inside Linebacker
- Garret McIntyre, Outside Linebacker
- TJ Conley, Punter
- Wayne Hunter, Offensive Tackle
- Austin Howard, Offensive Tackle
As you can see, the only major players that I think the Jets should release are Eric Smith and Bart Scott. We all know how horrible Smith is and the fact that he is starting in the NFL that is becoming reliant on the pass is just a travesty. Bart Scott is past his prime and is being given to much money. He is under contract through 2015 and it is better to get rid of him now rather than have him be a liability for another 4 seasons. Everyone else is getting cut either because they underperformed (TJ Conley), or they are just occupying a valuable roster spot (Logan Payne).
Now comes the part where I break down some candidates at positions of need for the Jets. These are obviously players the Jets could target in Free Agency. I believe that not only do they have not have a great chance of not signing back with their current team, but also that the Jets have a good shot of winning the bidding war for them.
Quarterback:
Two candidates I like for quarterback are Chad Henne and Jason Campbell. Not only could they provide Sanchez with competition in training camp, but were he to go down or play really, really bad, I would feel comfortable with either of them stepping in for him. I think it would be a little more likely for us to sign Chad Henne, as he has played in the AFC East, and we know that Rex loves going after inter-division players.
Wide Receiver:
I would really like to bring in either Robert Meachem or bring back Braylon Edwards. Meachem has been a great down the field threat for Drew Brees the past couple of years and has found his fair share of catches in one of the best receiving cores in the country. We all remember Edwards. I believe that, despite having a very down year in San Fran, he could come back into New York and that great chemistry between him, Santonio, and Sanchez could be restored. I am going to go with the Jets signing Robert Meachem, mostly because I find it unlikely that the front office would be unwilling to bring back Braylon, despite fans pleas.
Offensive Tackle:
I see two good options here when looking at the list of free agents. The Jets could either bring in a veteran in Max Starks who has performed pretty well in Pittsburgh this year, or go all out to sign the best free agent offensive tackle, Demetrius Bell from the Bills. Bell is another inter-division rival, but I think he'll be highly pursued because of so many teams needing offensive line help. Max Starks would give us a veteran guy who could possibly be a starter if he wins his competition in training camp. Otherwise, he'd provide a great backup.
Free Safety:
This is where we spend big. Safety, in my opinion, is the position that we need to get a pro bowl caliber player at. Two guys intrigue me: Dashon Goldson of the 49ers, and Michael Griffin of the Tennessee Titans. Both are very good, impact players. Dashon Goldson made the pro bowl this year after helping a 49ers secondary become an integral part of one of the best defenses in the NFL. He plays very well in the box and is above average in tight end coverage. Michael Griffin has been a very good player in Tennessee since his rookie year. He is a great in coverage and should probably be on of the more valued players in this years free agent crop. Goldson I believe has a better chance of leaving his current team than Griffin, however. He could be looking for a bigger, more long term contract that the 49ers likely would not provide. The Titans don't have many free agents to resign, so there is a good chance they spend big to retain Michael Griffin.
Linebacker:
Dan Connor was a backup player before stepping in for the injured Jon Beason this year in Carolina. He played very well for a guy seeing his first major starting play. He will likely be pursued by teams looking for a decent player or an upgrade over what they currently have. It is very possible the Jets would win the war for him, however, as they have been with free agents the past couple of years. If we could get him for a nice two-year deal, I would feel much more comfortable with the Jets cutting Bart Scott. As for outside linebacker, depth will be needed. I like Reggie Torbor in terms of depth. He has been on both the Dolphins and the Bills, so his mind is chock full of great info.
Kicker:
I would like either Jay Feely or Mike Nugent here. Both have been on the Jets in the past and are coming off a couple of decent seasons. I'll go with Nugent here because I remember Feely saying that he has some spite for the Jets for not bringing him back to New York,
Punters:
Either Donnie Jones or Matt McBriar. Their punters. They punt well. I'll go with McBriar.
So, now it looks like we might have a final roster for next season. Let's take a look at what the possible final 53 man roster would look if the domino's fell like how I am predicting.
Quarterback - Mark Sanchez, Chad Henne, Greg McElroy, Dominique Davis
Running Back - Trent Richardson, Shonn Greene, Joe McKnight, Bilal Powell
Fullback - John Conner
Wide Receiver - Santonio Holmes, Robert Meachem, Jeremy Kerley, Brian Quick, Patrick Turner
Tight End - Dustin Keller, Jeff Cumberland, Josh Baker
Offensive Tackle - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Max Starks, Andrew Datko, Valdimir Ducasse
Offensive Guard - Bradon Moore, Matt Slauson, Caleb Schlauderaff
Offensive Center - Nick Mangold, Robert Turner
Defensive End - Mike Devito, Muhammad Wilkerson, Marcus Dixon, Ropati Pitoitua
Nose Tackle - Sione Pouha, Kenrick Ellis
Cornerback - Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Ellis Lankster, Isaiah Trufant
Free Safety - Dashon Goldson, Brodney Pool
Strong Safety - Jim Leonhard, George Iloka
Inside Linebacker - David Harris, Dan Connor, Josh Mauga, Nick Bellore
Outside Linebacker - Aaron Maybin, Calvin Pace, Vinny Curry, Julian Miller, Reggie Torbor
Kicker - Mike Nugent
Punter - Matt McBriar
Long Snapper - Tanner Purdum
So there you have it. My early opinion on how the Jets should approach the 2012 offseason. With this team I believe that the Jets are "re-contenders" for the Super Bowl and should be much better come September 2012. I appreciate and read every comment so please leave your criticism and tell me what you'd do differently, what you don't like, etc. Thanks for reading and stay icey.
P.S. I am also hoping that the Jets do fire Schottenheimer and replace him with Bill Callahan.
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I don’t think we should be so high on Vinny Curry. Yes, he has been the most consistent/dominant pass rusher the last two years. One thing that is consistent, is that he struggles against the better tackles in college. Sure, he dominates weaker competition, but when he goes up against tackles that might actually be seen at the next level, he suffers.
I’m not saying it’s not impossible for him to become a great pass rusher in the NFL, but I wouldn’t bet the house on him as our pass rushing savior.
Jullian Miller is someone I need to focus more on. I am still up in the air about him.
Iloka will probably be long gone before the 6th round. I have him being a 4th or 5th rounder at most. His size, speed, and upside will boost his stock.
Brian Quick might also be shooting up the board with a good combine.
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I've watched tape on Curry
and I like what I’ve seen. I don’t think he has really struggled at any point in his career. It just that in college, if you don’t get stats, you don’t get love. He is constantly penetrating the o-line and creating pressure.
Walterfootball has Iloka graded as a 6th-7th round prospect. I haven’t updated my big board in 4 weeks, so I used Walter’s rankings. But I do agree with him also.
Quick definitely could move up with a good combine. It just remains to be seen whether he will have a good combine or not.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
He has also had to battle tons of extra blocking
when there is no other good player on your defensive line, offenses can afford to put a guard, tackle, and tight end on you, which is exactly what happened to Curry.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Curry has struggled a few times in his career. An example of what I mean is when Marshall played Iowa. Curry went one on one against Riley Reiff. Riely completely shut him down. These are they types of tackles he will be facing in the NFL, not the weak tackles, guards, or TEs he goes up against on a regular basis.
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Isn't that why
Curry is a mid second round prospect and Reiff is a top 10?
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I have scouted Reiff for a while now, and I think he would benefit talent wise, by staying another year. He has a lot to learn, and isn’t really starting LT material right away in the NFL. If there were any top OT prospects I would want to face, it would be him. Curry whiffed on that opportunity.
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Disagree
I love what I have seen from Reiff. He has great size, great footwork, creates good leverage, holds his blocks, and pounds defenders with his strength. Don’t really see how a top ten offensive tackle would do himself a favor by staying in school.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Money wise, it would make perfect sense, but he could use the time to develop more. He is victimized by strong bull rushers. In the bowl game, some 2nd string DE was able to push him back into the QB like he wasn’t even there. A strong bull rusher is exactly what Curry is, and didn’t excel at all.
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Who said Reiff is perfect?
He is allowed to get pushed back a little bit by a lineman every once in a while. He didn’t give up a sack or hit all year. He’s good. That being said, Curry isn’t perfect either. He dominates in most instances, and in some games underperforms. Just like every prospect.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
He gave up a sack in that game, and let him get hit 1 other time.
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I didn't hear that
I have a friend who did a scouting report who told he gave up nada. Either way, he is very good. Curry is. Curry isn’t a first round pick. There ya go.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I like Curry a lot
I just want to be more sure with our picks of pass rushers. With Curry, there are a lot of questions.
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which is why I say that just pick the Best Play Available if the pass rushers who seem to have fewer questions around them aren’t on the board still. If Curry is the BPA, and there are questions about him, then I would go in a different direction and pick somebody else up in the second round.
In the 2nd round, my guy would be Ronnell Lewis or Bruce Irvin as far as pass rushers go
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My issue with Irvin
is that he was put in a starting role and didn’t do well. He is a good pass rusher, great in fact, but he can’t stop the run. For a 34 OLB that is very important. If he can’t set the edge, that is a major hole in the defense.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think Irvin was really hurt by the type of defense he plays in.
He was a DE in a 3-3-5 defense. That’s a lot of pressure on an undersized D-lineman.
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Even in the 3-3-5
the defense tends to rush its OLB’s often, so it isn’t as much pressure as it seems. The other thing is that he played OLB this year on plays also and was able to get run at and couldn’t make a play. There is no denying that he struggles in the run game.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
He reminds me of Aaron Maybin.
But in terms of 2nd round pass rushers, he is my number 2 guy guy, with Curry after him. If Curry has a good combine, or plays well in whatever allstar game he plays in, I will move him ahead of both those guys.
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Now we're seeing eye to eye.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I know I toot Mecilus's horn a lot on here...
but he has gone up against several NFL bound linemen, and made them look silly. Who you play is sometimes just as important as how you play.
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id be happy with team
wayne hunter gone schotty gone veteran backup for sanchez yup sounds good to me
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FREE AGENT MUST SIGN!!!
Michael Griffin!!!! pls agree on this. hes the ball hawk safety and run stopper that Rex Ryan has lacked since hes been here. We all love Jim Leonard, but the injuries the last few years have hurt us in that field. Griffin plays ball first before he thinks of the big hit which may help us alot in the turnover battle.
not bad
my problems with it:
- I want to resign Westerman aslo
- If we’re going to draft Trent RIchardson (which I’m not sure I like, nor do I think he’ll be available at that time), we might as well trade Greene for like a 3rd rounder during the draft. This is the case because we have seen time and time again, Greene only performs when you keep pounding the rock with him. If he’s not the feature back, I do not see him as being productive. Meanwhile, trade him for a 3rd rounder during the draft, get Dwight Jones if available (6’4, WR, UNC), Tommy Streeter (6’5 WR, Miami), or Jeff Fuller (6’4 WR, Texas A&M, was projected to be a 1st round pick until he had a down year this year), or OT help like Brandon Mosely (OT, Auburn). The bottom line is, we should make this offseason as easy for us as possible. If we get Richardson, I see Shonn Greene as needing to be moved. By getting that extra pick, we are most likely letting ourselves need 1 less free agent when free agency rolls around. This is a good thing. First of all, it allows us to focus on the other guys we want to acquire (remember what happened when we focused on Asomugha too much?). Also, it would have been hard to make all of the free agency signings you wanted to make due to the cap. By the way, it took a lot for me to suggest getting rid of Greene if we get Richardson. I love Greene.
Are we trading up to get Richardson?, as if that guy falls out the top 5 let along the top 10, I will be astounded.
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I wouldn't
no running back who has gone in the top 10 since Adrian Peterson has performed to expectations. Combine that with teams typically not drafting running backs that high and the lack of teams needing one that high (Kansas City, Tampa, and Cleveland are all candidates – I see them adressing bigger needs) I think there is a good chance he falls to 16.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a long shot that he drops that far, but there is nothing wrong with dreaming big.
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But I don't think I'm dreaming that big
what teams would take him in the top 15? Redskins, Browns, Bucs, Rams, Chiefs, Redskins are really the only teams that would consider taking him I believe and they are too high in the draft and have too many needs to take him.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
The Browns will probably be losing Hillis, so they are a strong possibility. Seattle might be losing Lynch, so there is them.
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Browns have two first round picks
Pick one could likely be RG3 with pick two being Lamar Miller or David Wilson. I don’t see Seattle losing Lynch. He is the lone bright spot on the whole offense and that city worships him.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, Seattle will do everything they can to retain Marshawn, he’s probably the best player on their offense. Even if that is an overstatement, still, they are going to resign him.
Trent is a game changer and has the potential to be one of the elite at the next level, the rare blend of speed and power, he is a workhorse who will carry the workload at the NFL with a great attitude. He’s not falling past the Browns at 9 and a lot of teams know this so may jump ahead to get him. If he drops to 16, I will eat my hat.
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I thought the Browns were at 5?
the Dolphins are 9th. Also if you are going to eat hat, may I make a suggestion with this:

And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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Brown's aren't picking at 9...
This years running back class is very good. I don’t think a team would trade up for T Rich at all. Lamar Miller, David Wilson are both first round prospects. Chris Polk, Lamichael James, Bernard Pierce, Robby Turbin, Ronnie Hillman are all highly coveted backs too.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry meant 4, Trent is head and shoulder above all running backs mentioned IMO. We will see what happens this April but I just can’t buy that Trent is falling anywhere close to 16.
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But
why would the Browns take T Rich early when they could possibly nab RG3 or Blackmon with their #4 pick, and then Lamar Miller or David Wilson with their other first round pick?
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty of questions about RG3, would be a risky pick. Trent is a more solid safe pick, and Miller and Wilson are not close to Trent’s talent IMO.
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I disagree on both statements
RG3 will actually likely be the 2nd overall pick if the Rams want to trade down. Lamar Miller is very, very good and is only a sophomore. He has taken far less hits so he will have a longer shelf life than TRich, and he has progressed so much in such little time. Wilson is not at Rich’s level, but he is also very good.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I Understand LiveLove's Points
Blackmon and Wilson or RG3 and Wilson would improve the Browns a whole heck of a lot more than just Richardson and another player. There are questions about RG3, but there were also questions about Cam Newton and look what he did.
I’ve only seen RG3 play once in the bowl game, but the only weakness I saw is that he sometimes held onto the ball too long. He has a strong, accurate arm, a quick release, is great running the ball and very fast. It may take him longer than Newton to become so good at the NFL level, but I think he will be a very, very good NFL QB, much better than Colt McCoy could ever dream about being.
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Nope
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Pool should be the SS with stinky Leonard not on the team or sitting the bench
by RevisChrist on Jan 7, 2012 1:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What??
You need to go see your eye doctor immediately. Pool sucks. Leonard has his limitations, but is a smart, heady player and makes a lot of plays. Pool doesn’t do jack.
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Your argument is he is smart. Too bad he’s terrible at everything else needed
by RevisChrist on Jan 7, 2012 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BS
Pool’s stupid and lazy and is bad at everything.
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If we cut Scott
We lose the 4 million he is owed. We are going to be tight on money this offseason, and losing him, and not being able to use that money would really hurt us fiscally.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
Remember who out GM is
Tanny is a money wizard. I guess I did this whole thing with the idea in mind that Tanny would do what he does best with contract restructuring, loading contracts, and manipulating the cap.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
We better have a hell of a replacement if we're cutting him while still paying him.
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Did you read the post
Dan Connor baby.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I read the post
Sorry, I’m not sold on the idea of signing the Carolina backup to replace a guy who we have to pay either way.
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If you read through the comments
I said I based my decision to cut Scott because of the reports that have come out. His behavior in the locker room and what seems like his spite for the team lead me to believe nothing else except that he won’t be back next year.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
....ok....
Dan Connor is the best free agent backup available. Unless of course you want to start Josh Mauga or Nick Bellore.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 8, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
...or you could just not part ways a guy you have to pay either way
it all goes back to my original comment which you take umbrage with for some reason, you better have a hell of a replacement if we’re gonna lose a guy we have to pay anyway. I get it, you’re basing it on credible reports, that’s fine. It has no bearing on Dan Connor, or Mauga, or Bellore or any other name they are floating to replace Scott not being a suitable replacement.
If we have to do it, we have to do it. But I would avoid it.
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I Live in NC
and have followed the Panthers closely during my Jets hiatus this fall. Connor isn’t that good. He couldn’t even start on that team and didn’t start seeing significant action until a lot of LBers went down with injuries.
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– Yefim Novikov
Yea no duh
because the Panthers have one of the best 4-3 linebacking cores in the league. Was he supposed to start over Beason, Davis, or Anderson?
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Davis has been struggling through injuries for years
not only is “best 4-3” highly debatable, but they have been consistently diminished by injuries over a number of seasons. This is what gives Connor a chance to build the numbers that make him attractive to you in spite of his demotions and injuries over the years.
He’s not that good, sorry.
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If the reports are true
and Bart Scott is in fact released, despite the fact that we have to pay him – and yes I get it, we have to pay him – who would you want? All I’m asking.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 9, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm. Connor would have to win. I just feel like he’s the sort of player that the Jets bite on and offer a low to moderate contract and start for a while before the realize he’s not a good full time player for us.
Then again, you probably made a good pick with Connor, assuming the Jets feel compelled to release or trade Scott. He’s probably the cheapest high-ranked FA ILB that’s available in a somewhat mediocre field, assuming the Panthers don’t choose him over Thomas Davis. I’m afraid he won’t pan out though.
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What are you guys smoking??
I don’t get the love for Pool AT ALL. Last year, the lazy jerk didn’t even bother learning the system until Leonard went down with an injury. This year, he blew coverages frequently, made poor efforts to tackle, didn’t hustle and earned his way out of town. No way I want that moron on the team for another year.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
I think there is a reason he hasn't performed well
he hasn’t gotten any attention. Eric Smith was given that starting role without even earning it. Pool got little first team attention in camp. When I went to training camp this Summer, he really wasn’t being mentored properly. An offseason giving him the proper attention could boost his skills. If not, you stick out the year with him and don’t resign him next year.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Pool Was a Veteran When He Came Here
He’s lazy, and I believe to be one of those players who just draws a paycheck and doesn’t really care about maximizing his talent or winning. He didn’t even learn the defensive system until Leonard went down last year. He can’t tackle or cover, even though he has the tools to. He shouldn’t even be in the discussion about staying on the team.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Not bad.
I was sort of pleasantly surprised when you opted to pick Trent Richardson in the first round. I know that everybody is saying that we should go after a good pass rusher in the first round, but if nobody is available like Courtney Upshaw or others, I would definitely go after Richardson. Having a 1-2 punch like Richardson and Greene would make us one of the top rushing teams again. Richardson is going to be a top running back in this league, and we might as well get him. It is said that you should never draft a running back in the first round, but he is going to be one of the best. Hopefully we will be able to get a good pass rusher in the second round, or trade for another first rounder and get one that way, sort of how New Orleans did last year getting Jordan Cameron (or Cameron Jordan, I can’t remember, but there two with similar names) and Mark Ingram. A move like this, supposing that both picks pan out, would set us up for years and would be well worth a first rounder in the future.
I know that with the first rounder that NE has from NO last year in the Ingram deal, that if Richardson is still available there, that I feel that they would pounce on the chance for Richardson.
I like the idea of drafting Quick, I’ve seen some other names floating around, like Streeter, but as long as we draft the best wide receiver available, and a tall one at that, at least 6’4", I’ll be happy. Perhaps we should also bring back Plaxico if it is only a one or two year deal. So in case we don’t get a wide receiver that we want in the draft, we still have him. I’m sure that the fact that he did well with us, and that we were the ones who gave him his comeback shot in the NFL, that he would like to resign with us.
I agree with most of your moves for our team in free agency, however I would retain Bart Scott. Unless you clear a lot of cap space from cutting him and would allow us to sign another good free agent, I don’t see us doing it. Who knows, maybe he’ll restructure his deal?
We definitely do need a pro-bowl safety, I complete agree with you there.
For the O Line, I say only use a late round draft pick on a lineman for depth, and definitely sign a veteran as a starter at right guard.
Overall pretty good.
Thanks
I agree with all of your points. About Bart Scott, I based the decision to cut him based on all of the reports coming out. He is overpaid and is a liability taking up a roster spot like that while keeping the bench warm for a good portion of the game.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Something else for the case of keeping Bart Scott...
Locker room presence.
With everything going on in the media, we need to rebuild team chemistry, and Scott is a leader in the locker room. Saying that, we need to bring in some more quality guys.
Interesting Read
I disagree in a couple of places, however. I strongly disagree about Pool. He should definitely not be kept on the team. He sucks.
I also think Westermann should be kept, at least for now. While not great, the Jets have limited cap space to bring in FAs and there seldom is anyone good in FA at OLB. With Thomas leaving, and even drafting an OLB, the team still needs depth at OLB.
Normally, I’d say let LT go as he’s older and bring in a younger, cheaper player. With Tanny already having stripped the team of its veteran leadership and with all the problems in the locker room, however, this year if he doesn’t retire, I think he should be brought back for his leadership. He can still play and produce.
While Strickland didn’t play very well this year, he did the year before with SD and in his previous stint with the Jets. He’s cheap and should rebound in 2012. Again, the Jets don’t really have the cap space to sign a replacement and don’t have the draft picks to take another CB in the draft.
With regard to your draft, I don’t think that Richardson will be there at #16 nor do I think that RB is the biggest need. While I’d love to see him on the team, the only way I’d take him there is if both Perry and Upshaw are gone at that point and maybe if the team fails to sign a vet FA RT.
I agree with what others have said about Curry. The Jets definitely need to address the OLB position in a significant fashion, but I think there are better prospects. I’m actually in favor of the team taking either Perry or Upshaw, and possibly even Mercilius in the first round then taking another OLB prospect like Irving or the FSU kid in the 2nd or 3rd round. I’ve never heard of any of the rest of your picks, but haven’t spent much time on the draft yet. Looks like I have some research to do.
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– Yefim Novikov
Thanks for the comment
I see some of your points. I want Westy too, but I think he will actually be pursued by a couple of teams, especially teams in the division. I kept Cole over Strick because of age. Strickland is 31 so he is getting up there. This team is moving in a more youthful direction. I do think Richardson will be there at 16 (stated above) but I do also like Upshaw and I love Perry. It could go any which way.
"Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot."
Leo Durocher
by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I cant resist, but...
do the Jets really need a “vet FA RT”?? Enough stinks in that locker room already:-)
i like lots of your idea's
the things i’d change would be
1 keep nick folk and bart scott ( to save cap room)
2 draft jeffery at 16 instead of richardson
3 draft mc clellin instead of quick
4 draft best o line player in 5th round
the things i love
1 your FA QB’s
2 your FA P
3 your FA WR’s
4 curry , iloka and dalko ( depending on recovery)
5 all your resigning’s except leonard
great job setting out this off season plan . you can tell you put a great deal of thought and effort into this post . great read , rec’d
if its for you it won't pass you
Thanks man
still obviously in the preliminary stages of the offseason, but I really just made this to create a blueprint of what I believe are the proper steps to get back into SuperBowl contention. These picks and signings will change tons prior to September.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
These picks and signings will change tons prior to September.
tell me about it lol . i’ve already changed my mind from my mock last week. with the possible addition of 4 comp picks i now think we stay at 16 and take jeffery . lol , i just wish the combine was over and we knew all our pick so i could make a mock i could stick to.
if its for you it won't pass you
im surprised no one has mentioned
that free agency is in march while the draft is in april
Jay feely sucks
we have so many holes in this team. I see us missing the playoffs again this year. Plaxico is really slow, I wouldnt want to see him back on the team
Dont like these ideas much
drafting another RB in the 1st? i dont care if it is Richardson it’s still not a need. I’m not 100 percent on who we should draft but rb isn’t the position. Also we need to let go of Tone…he just isn’t working for us and this isn’t the first time he has had issues in this league.
FA Jets should persue:
QB-Flynn
RB-Ryan Grant and Jerious Norwood
WR-Bowe, Doucet, Meachem, Manningham, Wayne, Garcon
The other positions either don’t have many options or not many plausible options. So just draft and FIRE SHOTTY
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
There are multiple steps to get this offense past the rank of anemic
one is to go out and find the right signal caller. The other is to get an effective running game. Don’t let Shonn Greene’s 1000 yard season fool you. it was not a good season. If the Jets can supply Sanchez with a good running game and get back to ground and pound, Sanchez will take the next step. T Rich is a guy who will come in and produce immediately. Having a backfield of him and Shonn would be amazing. It would really boost this offense into a possibly top 10 producer.
Flynn will demand a huge contract. Bigger than Kolb’s. No way we go after him. We also won’t get a shot at Bowe. He will be resigned.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 7, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Put the pipe down and step away
GB is going to franchise Flynn and then trade his ass, that last game was to show him off to the GM’s of the NFL
by JETSFAN IN SC on Jan 7, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I would be happy with this mostly
but i dont see the need for a first round RB. I think replacing Hunter on the o line is a priority. Id rather get a o lineman, pass rusher or safety in the first round.
Goldson had a lot of INTs but a lot of TDs against as well.
And he gave up a lot of passes. QBs had a 94.1 QBR throwing into his coverage.
i dont see the point in drafting Trent Richardson first round
one because he will be gone by the 10th pick and and two, SG just rushed for 1000 yards on a down year and finished top 15 of all RB. there’s too many other holes that we need to fill..like an OLB or S or WR or RT. one of those should be our first pick. we can get a good RB in the later rounds.
our problem this year with the running attack wasn’t our RB capabilities or talent..it was the legit lack of running the ball. ground and pound isn’t 14 carries for SG with 5 of them coming in the last quarter. its giving him the ball 20 times every single game.
the way i see it, we had Thomas Jones and Leon Washington when we lead in rushing. to me Greene and McKnight are the exact same types of runners.
Trent is not falling to us....
I think the browns are taking him or RG3.. Jets should try and get braylon edwards back.
Good post and it appears you have done spent some time researching the up and coming College Draft Class. As far as looking at your draft I like a few others here disagree with your 1st Round selection. This reminds me so much of our 80’s and 90"s drafts. Grabbing a player with a high selection where our strongest need is ignored. In a year when our QB was plastered to the turf more times than naught or passed the ball just that 1 or 2 seconds too early as the rush charged at him…well 3 and out once again. You looked at the early part of the year and our Rush game sucked so bad and S. Green’s YPC were dreadfull….the line gave no surge and especially on the right side where woody led the grader charge around the corner…well Thomas was usually crumbling. But somehow Greene found his game and managed a +4 YPC and crossed the 1000 yard mark. So my long and windy point being – RT is a key position. So If we are not drafting that position # 1 then we are drafting either Eric Smith’s replacemnt at Safety. I know that may hurt a few of you in Jetland but so be it. Or we are drafting an OLB to replace Bryan Thomas. The 2nd pick should be addressing the flip of whatever positions lose out for the #1 pick. Additionally, if Tanny can make some roster moves to grab some extra picks via trade for everyone’s favourite leader – Bart Scott & some of our surplus players that could collect up some pics. Something out on a limb……dangling Joe McKnight. Now before everyone goes Ape Shit…..just what type of return could we get for him? If you step back for 1 minute and take your emotion out of the equation what do you see. Yes he is a talented and fast returner but he has not yet demonstrated his worth yet in the offensive unit – again not his fault as Shotty not given him many chances. But he has had a ton of chances on Spec. teams and done for most part pretty good but has an extremely BAd HABIT for FUMBLING the ball away. This has caused him to be replaced on many occasions. He is limited for KO’s only as his PRs are even worse for fumbling. So after this first full season of returns why not see what the league sees his value at? He can be replaced by draft or FA. Just a thought. Ok….hammer away.
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Thanks for this, I mostly agree but can quibble a few points
(note: I can’t talk draft picks because I don’t follow college ball)
Bart Scott – I recommend trying to trade him. A lot of teams could use a veteran linebacker with football smarts, even if he’s lost a step or two.
QB – I would take Jason Campbell over Chad Henne. Campbell does throw more interceptions than I feel comfortable with, but he’s mobile and would thrive on having a good receiving corps. Time and time again with the Dolphins, I saw Henne wilt at the end of games. He just doesn’t finish the job.
Goldson is likely facing a numbers game in SF: Reggie Smith and Donte Whitner. Fans are of divided opinions about him. He made a lot of big plays this year but last year was notorious for being beaten in coverage. His ballhawking instincts are good, but mind the risks.
Linebacker: I feel like there is a lot of drop-off from our current starters to our current depth. That is why I agree with you on both getting a free agent and drafting (after all, in your scenario there would be 2 positions to fill up)
Another player I would consider looking into is Jamaal Jackson from the Eagles – instead of Caleb Schlauderaff, or if for some reason Robert Turner doesn’t stay. Solid veteran C/G who just didn’t fit into Mudd’s scheme in Philly, class act as a player, would start right away in case of injury to Moore or Mangold (or even Slauson).
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No new quarterback
Sanchez isn’t very good, but 2 quarterbacks competing (especially in the regular season) never ends well. ever. look at what happened to Washington. also check out the Browns with Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson a couple years back. both teams were awful. give sanchez a new qb coach and oc, + 2 more years. if there’s still nothing at that point, cut him. but do not bring in competition.
This is stupid.
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Leo Durocher
by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 8, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
i still think Sanchez has a chance. he’s been in an offense that did not use his strengths, the deep game and rollouts. but 2 competing quarterbacks never ends well. you replace one, he loses confidence, and then that’s the end. give sanchez 2 more years to show something.
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This is obnoxious
did he do something to disrespect you like you are him?
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Did Sanchise6 ever do anything to disrespect anyone
and yet, there were over 150 comments on one of his posts that were all disrespectful, by me, by you, by many. Sometimes I find comments, posts, etc. irrelevant/inaccurate/incorrect and maybe I don’t feel like explaining myself. You’ve done it too. Sorry, but in life, your going to face some disrespect. Now, do I think jetstothesb is stupid, do I disrespect him? Of course not.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 9, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, sanchise broke our rules and insulted members who patiently tried to help him several times
He also straightened up and flew right when asked to. You’re comparing people who get what they give out to someone whose post you call stupid merely for saying something you disagree with.
I’ve certainly shown disrespect to other people, but every single one of them set out to do the same first one way or another. I don’t insult people for posting in my threads, even in they don’t agree with me. I also don’t automatically challenge whether people read my stuff just because they don’t agree with it verbatim. That isn’t to say it’s not a valid question, many people comment on articles without digesting them.
It’s not a huge deal, but he’s going out of his way to explain a fairly popular position. There’s no reasonable explanation for reacting to him that, and perhaps it was the way I approached you about it, but us arguing about whether or no it was appropriate just makes it a much bigger deal than it needs to be. It’s not an argument you can win with me anyway, sorry.
Yeah, a lot of opinions expressed are dumb, but I don’t think his was. And even if it was, please try and say it another way. Otherwise you just look like Nikolai. :P Just a request.
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K.
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Leo Durocher
by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 9, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
just wondering what you would do different if we get an extra 5th , 2 6th's and an extra 7th round comp picks?
would your resignings be different ? or your FA’s you would bring in ?
if its for you it won't pass you
Lol, you're giving me so much more to worry about.
Yeah probably. I’d probably use on for an OLB and not sign Torbor. Get a CB. I don’t even know what. Lol.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 8, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
also i think we get a 7th for the lowrey trade
you can add that to the list lol
if its for you it won't pass you
RICH
I absolutley love the idea of picking up richardson and having the best run game in the league for years to come, but i agree with some that say he wont fall to us, so we would have to move up and get him, and i am for it in this case. I think he will be a beast for years to come.
I will answer 'yes' with one caveat....
If I recall, Robert Turner did not do a good job of filling for Mangold this year. Are you thinking that if we shore up the rest of the O-Line and Turner has to fill in again, he will be ok?
I would also say that Hunter has to be on the list of those who absolutely have to go—no maybes for him—I don’t want to see him in the starting lineup next year.
Robert Turner was on IR this year
didn’t see any playing time. At the end of the post, I say that Hunter should be cut.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 9, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Robert Turner
went down with a season-ending injury in the first preseason game. The guy that was so awful filling in for Mangold was a UDFA named Baxter that the Jets found somewhere. (I don’t remember where because I’ve tried to block that from memory it was such a moronic decision).
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– Yefim Novikov
Joe……he was a FA for Dan Diego and we took him off their practice Roster I believe….when he was cut from the active roster Rex offered to place him on our Practice squad but he got a call from San Diego to go on theirs…….he was smart enough to remember the weather is warmer on the West Coast from Nov thru Jan. I know the memories weren’t pleasant.
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by Canadian Jet on Jan 10, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions

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