Tangible Problems Require Tangible Solutions
by John B on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST
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Most discussion currently surrounding the Jets and their failure this season revolves around locker room chemistry, Santonio Holmes' problems in particular. There also were undoubtedly more tangible problems, namely a passing game that could not get anything going, even against bottom feeder defenses like the Patriots and the Giants.
It is difficult to say the exact proportions of tangible problems vs. intangible problems. My inclination, though, is the on field issues fed into the locker room stuff. There have been two times during the season there were stories of turmoil in the locker room. They just so happened to come during three game losing streaks, including the one to end the year. That all died down after the Jets seemed to right the ship.
Despite all of these issues, if the Jets simply avoided catastrophic turnovers that led to points, they would very likely have won games against Denver and Miami and gotten to 10 wins. They quite possibly could have beaten Baltimore to get to 11 wins. A passing game built to take advantage of suspect secondaries against the Giants and Patriots could have made those three games different.
Things certainly need to change on various levels. The most important thing that could take the Jets to a different level is building a more productive passing game. I think Holmes will be back for many reasons, but perhaps the most significant is for all of the locker room issues he caused, he can be a real asset going forward in improving the air attack.
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I agree-
these kind of issues only come out and boil over when a team hist rough patches. However it does not mean they are not there behind the scenes. What bad chemistry does it it makes it much harder to deal with adversity when things don’t go your way.
Cut
Cut Holmes and I guarantee New England picks him up and he and Brady will torch the Jets. Additionally, if Holmes is such a cancer why didn’t anyone mention it last year?
Maybe he was on his best behavior looking for a big contract?
Duh. But you did see a hint of it after the AFC Championship game…
by Buzzy on Jan 5, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your right
and if you watched Hard Knocks you saw a guy helping other players out and if you have rad in the past it was stated he would stay after practice to help guys out. They said he was a team player.
This is because they lost, are not in the playoffs, and guys are frustrated. That’s why it comes out now. It’s a long off season and by this time next year we will love him again as he runs airplane circles around the Pats.
And by the way who could blame him? I’d be frustrated to have a guy like Sanchez throwing to me. He was inaccurate and a mess this year. Lets hope the FO gets someone in here to coach him up.
I can frickin blame him!!!
There’s no excuse for throwing a temper tantrum in the waning moments of a game that ur still in and with the season on the line. Wtf is that???
I don’t care how crappy the QB is playing or how bad the plays are that are being called or how many targets/catches he had. There is zero tolerance, no room for that nonsense ever. Even if we’re 3-12, you fight to make it 4. U fight with every last ounce of strength until there’s no time left. That’s playing like a Jet!!!
And Rex should blame him. He made him a captain and now we’re gonna strip everybody of Cs and tiptoe around him bc he might throw another tantrum? U put eggs in this guy’s basket and he takes a steamin, stinkin dump in ur face and u just let it go? Crying to the team like Rodney King? Really?
Somebody should pick a fight with Tone on day one. Revis should toss him around like bitch when they do position drills. They should motion his ass down the line and hang him out on a slant and let Harris tee off.
Eff Tone.
by Crackback on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He has won before
Where were all you haters last year when he was making game winning catches/drawing offsides? I agree i can do without the tantrum but Sanchez regressed so bad. He is so frustrating to watch and the play calling is so terrible. Any moron can pick the play before its run.
Playing like a jet? Really? There were a lot of guys that didn’t “Play like a Jet” this year. Where was the “i’ll knock the crap out of you attitude” they had the two previous years?
Holmes should be yelled at for his antics but lets not all say he should be gone. He’s a frustrated playmaker and as i said before when he starts next season catching TD"S everyone will forget this crap.
I also agree that someone (Mangold, Harris, Scott, Revis, insert a number of guys) should have grabbed him by the facemask and put him in his place.
I just think we don’t know the whole story and i know speaking for myself i would be soooo frustrated playing with two jokes like Sanchez and Schotty.
So what if he's frustrated. Everybody is. Tone isn't special. He doesn't get his own rules.
What if everybody starts throwing tantrums in the huddle when they get frustrated? Is that ok? Mangold starts bitching and moaning bc we’re running as much as he would like, ans stops finishing off blocks, and is a listless little bitch. Is that ok too? Or if Mark doesn’t like the call so he just drops back and throws it away. How bout that? That cool, bc he’s “frustrated?” Eff that!!!
If u wanna do it on the sideline or in the lockerroom, that’s one thing. To do it on the field is a whole other thing. To mope around all week is not ok. Ur a captain. Sack up.
U can’t roll with a guy like that. He’s gotta go. It hurts and it sucks, but u gotta do it. Dump him for a 5th or whatever.
And yeah, I was one of the guys that said eff Tone last year too. I was a Braylon guy. And I didn’t by the hype when Tone helped us beat the Lions and the Browns. I reminding people how cost us the Packers and the Dolphins games bc he CHOKED. And he choked us away the Philly game this year.
Bray was every bit as clutch and he beasted at times. He was a physical, intimidating presence. Tone is a soft, finesse, delicate little thing. And when Tone doesn’t get his way he kicks and screams like a teeneage drama queen.
Eff him. Cut bait. We need to own this colossal mistake, eat it, and flush it. Roll with Kerley (who’s awesome) and draft a stud if we have to.
by Crackback on Jan 5, 2012 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Completely agree
It will cost short term but will send a big message that such poor conduct will not be tolerted.
There will be teams with cap space looking for an experienced guy and we may get a low conditional pick in return
The cap hit for 2012 is $12.5m …. but to keep in the roster is $15.25m because if he is on the payroll after Feb8 then he is also paid at least half of his 2013 salary whether he is with us or not.
How did your boy Bray do
this year? He’s hurt. He tried to hold the Jets hostage and got a crap deal and then did nothing on a team that is going to the playoffs and could use him. He should have used that as ammo to show people they made a mistake. Instead he shit the bed. So if he resigns with the Jets your thinking he doesn’t get hurt? Can’t live life by what if’s? The 49ers need a guy like him and cut him. What does that tell you?
I hear you and understand under no circumstances do i think he should do that on the field but to say he’s a bum is wrong. The guy can play. I love Kerley as much as anyone and also agree they need to draft a 6’3-6’5 stud but they need to keep Holmes.
Your calling Holmes a drama queen after one on field incident. Don’t give me the off field stuff cause you said thats ok. Bray got a DUI a week into the season. Pretty stupid and juvenile.
Speaking of colossal mistakes- i read your writing and think you do a great job, but if we’re cutting bait lets be honest there’s a list of them.
1. Schotty
2. Hunter
3. Smith
4. Mulligan
5. Folk
6. Conley
7. and while we’re at it Rex too.
Go get Cowher in here and see the change in guys. They’ll shape up real quick.
Listen i respect you and your writing and am willing to agree to disagree.
You really can't say what Braylon would have done here...
He got hurt, dude got injured, you can’t really say he shit the bed…getting hurt happens even to the greatest players. Peyton Manning was hurt this season, would you say he shit the bed and didn’t live up to expectations?
I don’t know what braylon would have done if he didn’t get hurt there but if we kept him here and he wasn’t hurt we would have gad a player who plays with the kind of heart it takes to carry multiple new england defenders into the endzone to get the score for the team…and like it or not the jets were missing that this year..
by RhodesRocks on Jan 5, 2012 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bring back Braylon
They should admit they made a mistake.
We were right here!
We were begging the Jets to pick up Edwards.
We saw his attitude last year and we aren’t one bit surprised.
He gave up on plays last year and had the same attitude.
I'm in TOTAL Agreement, buddy
Great post, crack. rec’d
I hope they can trade him and get at least a 4th or 5th round pick for him, then they won’t even have to deal with his sorry ass. If not, the rest of the team should take care of his attitude issues on the field, or maybe hold him down in the locker room and give him a pink belly! lol
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Come on
his behavior in hard knocks was so damn phony. I felt that way even then. His “good” behavior was simply a smart guy with a bad rep fully knowing that he was not going to get the $$ unless he was on his best behavior. It had little to do with winning vs. losing.
Holmes is a bad apple but it makes so little sense financially and personnel-wise to cut him that the team would be stupid to do so
If he had a cap friendly hit and we had receivers behind him I felt comfortable about, I would try to trade or cut him, but we have nothing behind Holmes… who himself has proven he’s a #2 or at best a #1B. We need some WR talent, badly.
I Disagree
He’s a cancer. He will keep dissension going in the locker room. We saw how well the Jets played in 2009 and 2010 when the chemistry was great and the players liked each other. I don’t see how he can possibly come back with players against him, particularly if Shitty is back as the OC.
Yes, the team will take a cap hit, but sometimes one has to do what one has to do to remedy a mistake. He should never have been given the big contract and Braylon let walk. Bray was a much better all around WR than Holmes and was a better teammate.
A message also needs to be sent to other players that Rex is in charge, that order and discipline are going to be restored and that kind of behavior will absolutely NOT be tolerated.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
So, what you are saying is,
that it was actual plays on the field – probably 10-20 of them over the course of the year – CORRECTABLE mistakes, some of which, by the law of averages – I’m talking about you, recovering own fumbles – will correct themselves on their own, and the rest are teachable / learnable (fumbling to begin with, interceptions, coverage, etc.), and we would have won 2-4 more games and been in the playoffs?
(BEGIN SARCASM) I don’t understand. The media and fans are saying that we should take this franchise and gut it from the inside out, get rid of our entire coaching staff, GM, QB, and half of the offense. (END SARCASM)
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Will cortland fix it next year?
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While we're at it
Did they forget to hang out at Bart Scott’s place this year?
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It was funny. As the defense crept closer and closer Sanchez’s safety window of “how short does a pass have to be in order to be safe” shrunk and shrunk until in the last game when finally it was the DL itself making interceptions. In Phili they were tacking the screen dump off receiver instantly for no gain, in Miami the ball wasn’t even getting to him.
There are several issues to be resolved
Sanchez needs a better O-line and running game to help him set up the pass. We also need an offensive coordinator who is willing to let him throw the ball deep to stretch the field. I think we had the fewest deep balls in the league. As far as Santonio is concerned, he needs to be understand that this is a team who is going to ground and pound. That means his part is to make the most of the receptions he gets. Not crying about getting the ball more. If he does that again or gives up and stops trying as he did at the end of this season, we should play him on special teams until he gets a team first, try hard attitude. Clearly, giving him a captaincy and hoping he would step up failed miserably.
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
Westhoff would just love to have a dog like Holmes quiting on special teams.Veteran players should
police their own team.If this crap went on all year,why wasn’t Sandbag Holmes head put through his locker long ag?.
by Putnan Prince on Jan 5, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Its all about QB play.
Good QB play hides lots of warts (Indy, NE). Bad QB play puts more pressure on everything else to perform (Denver).
We have to figure out how to have better play from that position. Whether that’s a new OC (please God) or a new QB (RG3!!!), somethins gotta give. We can’t keep trotting out the same crap that we’ve been doing. There’s too much talent not being utilized on O.
Also wouldn’t mind a beast at RT and at least one decent safety.
by Crackback on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Completely.
It pains me to think what we could have done in the last 3 years with a good QB…
When you only have 2 pass plays over 40 yards...
…and one of them is thrown out of the wildcat by a WR, you can’t take advantage of a flag football team’s secondary, let alone any NFL team. This is a combination of the OC, the HC and the QB. I don’t care what kind of talent you have, if you don’t trust it enough to even make the attempt to stretch the field, you are never going to be a credible contender for anything except mediocrity. And since it seems, based on this weeks post-debacle press conference, that we already have all these hidden gems of talent in the locker room, all we need is Tattoo and Mr Rourke to complete the welcome to Fantasy Island.
by Traveling Man on Jan 5, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If we could just get the guy 4 catches a game he would shut the hell up and play his ass off.
It’s a shame this QB and the OC can’t figure out how to get a talented player like this the freaking ball. But I digress I have said things like that so many times I’m ready to puke.
Its criminal that he's not involved more. It is.
But throwing a tantrum in the huddle, in that spot, is unforgivable. There’s no excuse for that. None.
Make a play when u get the rock. Make them give it you. Throw urself around. Make a block. Do something to contribute. Lead!!! Don’t be a whiny, pouty bitch.
by Crackback on Jan 5, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
But heres the thing. There are players out there like this guy all over the league. He’s a spoiled diva. Thats who he is. The team knew he was this kind of guy going into it.
Saying you need to tee off on him at practice to get him to fall in line is like adopting a dog who bites people and then beating it because he bit you.
They should have seen this coming a mile away. The team didn’t have the offense OR the QB to keep the guy happy and now were all shocked and outraged at this behavior.
I don’t know the guy Crack but I have played with alot of Divas over the years. You either ship em out or make em happy.
You set up fights in practice for the kids who need to drop their nuts and play like men. Not the Divas who will literally take a seat on the turf the second things are not going their way. I just doesn’t work.
If he falls in line it will be 100% because HE decided it was best FOR HIM.
100% correct....but remember
there was an article earlier in the year where Tone, Sanchez, and a few others went back to the facility to work out AFTER a game….straight from the bus to the facility (or something like that….I’m foggy on the details). It’s amazing how much the media changes things. I remember thinking at that time, “wow this kid is a leader….he’s finally gotten it”.
Do I think Tone was a crybaby bi&%h this year? Definetly. But like you said above, he’s THATCLOSE to “caring” again if he gets involved…..which is why I think the problems of this team are easily obtained: get a new OC; upgrade the line and the running; and Rex changes the team philosophy a bit.
Easier said then done? Definetly. But to hear some people say that we should get a whole new front office, fire coaches, cut this guy and that guy, etc……our core is in place. We just need to fine tune things a bit.
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Totally agree
100% with everything you say!
Thanks. Thats kind of been the idea I was playing with for a while now.
To be honest I’m starting to come to terms with the possibility that Shotty will be here next year. I think it’s 100% wrong but it is what it is. So as a result my opinion goes two ways on the subject.
1) Get rid of Shotty which is what I really want.
2) and this is the one I’m starting to think will actually happen- Sign a capable QB and announce a competition in camp for the starting spot.
Aside from some tweaks and a new RT (like you said) who ever he may be, I can see the team making huge strides the way it is.
I agree, we're close. But 2 major changes are absolutely necessary...
Schotty and Tone need to go. If chemistry was at all an issue, its bc these are the 2 major culprits.
It might hurt to get rid of Tone. But he might sink the whole thing if he’s allowed to run wild again next year. Nobody will respect the HC and it’ll be nothing but media sniping distractions all year. And if he does fall in line, we don’t have the QB to really take advantage of his talents. Kerley will perform just as well in the system. Tone just isn’t worth the risk.
Schotty has been discussed in every way ad nauseum. No need to expound further.
If we don’t do these 2 things, we’ll fall short again, imo.
by Crackback on Jan 5, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Could be right.
But I’m getting really worried about the shotty thing. It could go either way at this point. If it doesn’t happen. We need to sign a QB. A real #2.
Getting rid of tone? Meh. I’m indifferent because there are 2 valid ways of dealing with the problem and still have the situation work out in the end.
And I still think we need a MAJOR upgrade at RB. I’m tired of Greene dropping passes. Passing to the RB has to be a given in this offense. It can’t fail. It has to excel.
He should put him in a position to be wide open
More than 4 times a game, not just OH quick throw to me!
Open with a decent widow.
Possible 14-2 but too many fixable issues cause us 6 games
I agree with with this article. Oakland and Philly is the only games we truly lost by being outplayed.
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We were far from outplayed by Oakland
I view that as one of the most winable games we had. I think when Cromartie fumbled the kickoff in the beginning of the 4th quarter we were getting the ball back down one score (in a game where we were up 17-7). We outyarded them by 60 yards and had 25 first downs in the game. It was one big play and a stupid turnover that killed that game.
We didn't have a chance
in the Philly game. Baltimore game we got completely blown away due to the O-line. We could have and should have won the Oakland game (injury to Mangold killed us), Miami game, and Denver game.
I wouldn’t say 14-2, but 10-6….definetly. But as they say, if if’s and but’s were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas.
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heres my take on it
First and foremost I am sick of the smoke screens. Rex is showing signs of not being a good leader. Case in point, he had no idea why Holmes was out, Schotty calling 59 pass plays and he only has like 4 of them so he ran the same plays 10x times, the fact that he has NOTHING to do with the offense. That’s just stupid.. Rex also just refuses to call it like he sees it. Down by 2 scores and Holmes with his stupid ass first down celebration, he’s ok with it, stuff like that. He doesn’t have the respect (fear) from his players because he so desperately wants to be loved by his players.
Schotty, come on do we even need to go there. Please. first of all HE DID NOT LEAD ANYONE TO 2 AFC GAMES. The Jets offense and play calling was horrific in every playoff game. What won them was the defense, special teams, and few big offensive plays to put points on the board. So I am sick of hearing Schotty did this and did that. He’s shit.
Did anyone notice Rex mentioning Schotty has the pedigree? Its so obvious. Dad is a coach so son gets in…THATS IT! No nothing about it…Hes gotta go and if he comes back, say what you want…My support officially stops there.
If the Jets re-sign Schotty. I have a ton of Jets memorabilia up for sale!!!
Oh and McElroy
Thank God for him, he’s the only one who had the balls to say it like it is
If the Jets re-sign Schotty. I have a ton of Jets memorabilia up for sale!!!
I think its funny
That the first year Rex’s Jets don’t make the playoffs (after going to two consecutive AFC Championship games), everyone is up in arms about Rex. You got one guy already proclaiming him “done” and saying he’s going to be “coaching out the string” (the hell does that even mean?) and a writer for this site, rather than keeping a level head and providing reasons to keep Rex (the Jets defense has been one of the best in the league since he came here, the previously mentioned deep runs in the playoffs, the fact that Rex does in fact have the locker room, even with Holmes’ actions).
The fact of the matter is, if you ask the 17 other teams (that didn’t make the playoffs this year) and their fans if they would trade places with the Jets, they would do it in a heartbeat. This team has plenty of positives to it despite the disappointing end.
You guys remind me of all the Eagles fans that killed McNabb and Reid even though they went to 4 conference championships and a Super Bowl. To quote a famous fake Roman “Are you not entertained?!”
by Branta on Jan 5, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree and disagree.
I think in general that people are being too hard on Rex in a general sense. He has been more successful than just about any other Jets coach save Ewbank. I also knew the press would pounce on him the minute the Jets faltered in the least because that is what the idiot press does to blowhards, no matter how good they actually may be at their jobs.
On the other hand there is a surprising amount of blame to be put on Rex as well. I have to say i am stunned by what is coming out about the locker room, but if it were just that, I wouldn’t blame Rex too much. However to have a coach say he lost the pulse of the team and was unaware of the stuff going on is downright shocking. I just don’t know what to think about the guy after that.
I highly doubt 17 other teams would trade places with us.
This franchise has been run like a joke for decades now. I would possibly see some sort of sense in what you were saying if it were last year when our prognosis was looking up. Not now, when the team is in total disarray and we have on of the bottom offenses in the league. Not to mention an aging, “not elite anymore, if even good” defense.
I think most of the griping and negativity is from that lack of an accountability shown by this organization. It may be their posturing to some effect but all season we’ve heard about how wonderful Shotty and Sanchez are while they continued to sink the team. That lack of accountability would understandably point to deficiencies higher up, Rex, Tanny, and Woody.
I'm a Chargers fan, and I would trade places with the Jets in an INSTANT.
You think Rex is bad? Try having Norv Turner as your head coach and AJ Smith as your GM, and a wimpy, ineffectual owner who is deathly afraid of looking them in the eye and telling them they’re fired. I swear AJ Smith has turned the Chargers into the Saints’ farm team. I fully expect to see Vincent Jackson in black and gold eventually. Then he’ll reach on another Buster Davis, overpay him, and the team will continue to descend into shit while Norv pisses away games with hideous playcalling, inability to motivate, and inability to manage a clock. All the while, AJ and Norv will keep whining about injuries and bad luck and cling on to their jobs.
When I look at the Jets, I see a pretty talented roster (other than Sanchez), the head coach that AJ SHOULD have chosen over Norv, a GM who doesn’t hardball his stars and snipe at the players he let go in the press, and a front office that has no problem with taking risks and spending to win. I see an organization that goes in to every year EXPECTING to contend for a Super Bowl title. I wish the Chargers could be that team, but they won’t, and never will be with AJ and Norv running the show.
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It's About Accountability
Rex lost control of the team this year. That’s not good at all. He still has a LOT to learn about being a HC. He claims he didn’t know a lot of things happened this year. That’s inexcusable for a HC. The bottom line is that he’s responsible for the whole team.
He supposedly wants Schotty retained as OC. If true, that alone is reason to question his competency (if not sanity) as a HC.
Yes, Rex has done a lot of things well and brought respect and excitement to the team, but he’s not above reproach. To say that we have to act like ostriches, stick our heads in the sand and just ignore the problems on the team is stupid.
We have eyes, ears and brains for a reason. Blindly trusting anyone is not smart, particularly when problems surface.
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