The truth about Sanchez as QB.

by mousie on Jan 5, 2012 8:19 AM EST

He is not a bad quarterback, he actually is in the top twenty.

Stats talk loud when it comes to overall performance.

			Passing									Sacked		Fumbles
Name	Team	G	QBRat	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/G	Y/A	TD	Int	Sack	YdsL	Fum	FumL
Aaron Rodgers	GNB	15	122.5	343	502	68.3	4643	309.5	9.2	45	6	36	219	4	0
Drew Brees	NOR	16	110.6	468	657	71.2	5476	342.3	8.3	46	14	24	158	1	1
Tom Brady	NWE	16	105.6	401	611	65.6	5235	327.2	8.6	39	12	32	173	6	2
Tony Romo	DAL	16	102.5	346	522	66.3	4184	261.5	8.0	31	10	36	227	6	3
Matthew Stafford	DET	16	97.2	421	663	63.5	5038	314.9	7.6	41	16	36	257	5	1
Matt Schaub	HOU	10	96.8	178	292	61.0	2479	247.9	8.5	15	6	16	98	3	1
Eli Manning	NYG	16	92.9	359	589	61.0	4933	308.3	8.4	29	16	28	199	8	4
Matt Ryan	ATL	16	92.2	347	566	61.3	4177	261.1	7.4	29	12	26	173	5	3
Alex Smith	SFO	16	90.7	274	446	61.4	3150	196.9	7.1	17	5	44	263	7	2
Ben Roethlisberger	PIT	15	90.1	324	513	63.2	4077	271.8	7.9	21	14	40	269	8	5
Philip Rivers	SDG	16	88.7	366	582	62.9	4624	289.0	7.9	27	20	30	198	9	5
Matt Moore	MIA	13	87.1	210	347	60.5	2497	192.1	7.2	16	9	36	229	14	6
Jay Cutler	CHI	10	85.7	182	314	58.0	2319	231.9	7.4	13	7	23	159	7	3
Michael Vick	PHI	13	84.9	253	423	59.8	3303	254.1	7.8	18	14	23	126	10	4
Cam Newton	CAR	16	84.5	310	517	60.0	4051	253.2	7.8	21	17	35	260	5	2
Matt Hasselbeck	TEN	16	82.4	319	518	61.6	3571	223.2	6.9	18	14	19	153	4	1
Kevin Kolb	ARI	9	81.1	146	253	57.7	1955	217.2	7.7	9	8	30	219	8	3
Joe Flacco	BAL	16	80.9	312	542	57.6	3610	225.6	6.7	20	12	31	203	11	6
Carson Palmer	OAK	10	80.5	199	328	60.7	2753	275.3	8.4	13	16	17	119	2	1
Andy Dalton	CIN	16	80.4	300	516	58.1	3398	212.4	6.6	20	13	24	160	4	2
Tarvaris Jackson	SEA	15	79.2	271	450	60.2	3091	206.1	6.9	14	13	42	293	9	5
Ryan Fitzpatrick	BUF	16	79.1	353	569	62.0	3832	239.5	6.7	24	23	22	148	7	2
Mark Sanchez	NYJ	16	78.2	308	543	56.7	3474	217.1	6.4	26	18	39	243	10	8
Kyle Orton	DEN	5	77.8	150	252	59.5	1758	195.3	7.0	9	9	10	54	2	2
Matt Cassel	KAN	9	76.6	160	269	59.5	1713	190.3	6.4	10	9	22	120	5	2
Josh Freeman	TAM	15	74.6	346	551	62.8	3592	239.5	6.5	16	22	29	164	9	5
Colt McCoy	CLE	13	74.6	265	463	57.2	2733	210.2	5.9	14	11	32	173	11	2
Tim Tebow	DEN	14	72.9	126	271	46.5	1729	123.5	6.4	12	6	33	225	13	6
Rex Grossman	WAS	13	72.4	265	458	57.9	3151	242.4	6.9	16	20	25	201	8	5
Sam Bradford	STL	10	70.5	191	357	53.5	2164	216.4	6.1	6	6	36	248	10	7
Christian Ponder	MIN	11	70.1	158	291	54.3	1853	168.5	6.4	13	13	30	164	6	2
John Skelton	ARI	8	68.9	151	275	54.9	1913	239.1	7.0	11	14	23	162	4	1
Curtis Painter	IND	9	66.6	132	243	54.3	1541	171.2	6.3	6	9	16	104	5	3
Blaine Gabbert	JAC	15	65.4	210	413	50.8	2214	147.6	5.4	12	11	40	293	14	5

Dont take his position in the ratings as the be all end all. His QB rating is hurt by his eight lost fumbles. Look at Fitzpatrick right above him, had two fewer tds and five more ints. Many other QBs had far worse statistical seasons, including Rivers. Many others had similar seasons, Eli Manning, Hasselbeck and Roesliberger. Is anybody questioning their ability? I know that eight lost fumbles is a lot but as Bradford and Tebow show, a bad line will cause most of those.

I think the biggest reason people are down on Sanchez is because he was expected to be the next Peyton Manning or something. He wont be. With a good offensive Coordinator that calls plays that suit his talent and does not ask the world of this offense Mark Sanchez can flourish. It was not his fault that he was asked to throw 70 times in a game they needed to win. It is not his fault that the OC keeps calling plays that dont work over an over again like it was practice.

I Believe Mark Sanchez IS our quarterback. I dont want to see money thrown away at fixing a problem that isnt there. Look at what Harbaugh did for Alex Smith. Run the ball, call plays that fit his talent. We can be like the steelers, great defense, enough offense to win games. We wont find the next Elway or Marino, lets work with the great talent we have.The truth is that Sanchez is a pretty good QB. He is not the leader he should be and has some misreads. How many of the active QBs can you honestly say are better, six, eight? Look at the stats list, which one, other that the top six, would you rather have? Think about it. I think the fault lays with the coaching.

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I agree a major fault lies in the coaching …. Shotty has to go. But come on, after the top six there are several better QB’s (I’d take 7 over Sanchez).

by Crawdady on Jan 5, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions

Being in the top 20

Means that a little more than half the league is better than you are. Hardly a ringing endorsement. By your stats alone, he is below average.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions

Ummm... you know that theres 32 teams, right?

Rivers threw for almost 1200 more yards, and had 1 more TD. Eli almost threw for 5000 yards!!! Fitzpatrick had nearly 50 more completions with only 26 more attempts. And guess who was numero uno in fumbles lost?

Dont take his position in the ratings as the be all end all. His QB rating is hurt by his eight lost fumbles.

Yeah, lets just sweep those 8 turnovers under the rug because they’re ugly as all hell and they’re big freakin wrench in my premise. I’m not even going to research how many of those directly led to a TD for the opponent. I don’t even want to know.

So how many current QBs would I rather have than Sanchez? Hmmm… lets do this:
Rogers
Brees
Brady
Eli
Peyton (yup, I said it)
Ben
Cam
Vick
Schaub
Rivers
Ryan
Romo
Stafford
Luck (draftee)
Griffin III (draftee)

Damn… thats a lot.

by Crackback on Jan 5, 2012 9:31 AM EST reply actions

You forgot Tebow!!!!

;)

Can’t say I disagree with you though. Only guys you listed who I wouldn’t rather have are Romo given that he’s basically a higher functioning Sanchez, and Vick because he’s a huge injury liability. And I’d go ahead and add Matt Flynn to your list.

by Exystence on Jan 5, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Also I’d add Josh Freeman because he’s much better than he was this year and was in a far worse situation than Sanchez.

by Exystence on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

The one year Freeman did great, last year, he had the biggest farce of a schedule. It was such a joke, easy schedule that it can’t be included in a comparison.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 5, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions

This year was different for Sanchez though

His rookie year he had the same number of fumbles but lost a ton less. I think Hunter’s play really effected him.

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by Noble_Lance on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions

If you get hit in the back from your blind side as your passing the ball to a 35 year

old guy that just got out of prison, that jogs his routes you are going to fumble the ball.

by manuvsteal on Jan 6, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions

Mark Sanchez Drives me crazy with his inconsistency!

Having said that, take a moment to think about some of the little restrictions they placed on him. Remember the color coded wrist band? What about the whistle or bell or something like that to let him know to throw the ball they used this year? I am sure there are other things as well. They have tried several unorthodoxed methods…no wonder he has happy feet and bounces around like a chicken and chucks the ball. The bell must be ringing when he throws the stupid picks. I would like to see what he does with a good OL & OC that calls a game to his strengths.

by NYCKID on Jan 5, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions

Ranking by QB rating sucks

I’d much rather either of these:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb ranked by an average of DYAR and DVOA
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/passing.htm ranked by ANY/A

by Exystence on Jan 5, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions

If I were to rate Stafford would those sites rate

who he throws to(Mr automatic TD ) ? or the fact some teams(Eli) dont have a run game to help the pass or if a Oline can block (Cutler/Ben)?

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by Troy O on Jan 5, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions

I think the most telling thing about where he ranks in all these various ways

Of all those guys down in the mire with him, he’s on easily the best team of any of them. His ANY/A is exactly equal to Tavaris Jackson’s. Tavaris Jackson! In Seattle! Kolb was better behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. He ranks below all the other AFC East QBs, including both Henne and Moore for Miami.

by Exystence on Jan 5, 2012 10:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions

Thats the ticket .. Which of those guys had the better team

This year we fell off a lil …in my opinion because they asked Sanchez to be a quarterback and throw more than in previous years. I hear some poeple/commentators come to his defense and actually say his numbers are up this year (laughable), He had the most turnovers of his career and for some curse of the universe they all seemed to put the other team in scoring position (if not ,returned for a TD) bottem line our team was more efficiant with less Mark….

Out there on the field, coaches cant control your decision making in the heat of the moment the OC calls any individual play to succeed, the play call is not a surprise to the players on the field , now when Joe Mcknight comes in the game and lines up agianst a linebacker on the outside of the formation like a WR this is a good thing for the Jets because we must have spotted something on film that the Jets had to work into the game plan…. but what I saw after the play was executed was a wide open speed guy and a QB that threw the football out of the field of play where nobody can catch it. Damn! That was a TD …. if he cant do that under no real pressure, then HE CANT GET IT DONE ….. sorry ,hes a good guy and all that ,but he wasnt even upset at that throw (atleast half as mad as I was) … I know it aint the popular thing to say but hes NOT and shouldnt be untouchable.

Get David Garrard in here and lets see who wins that job!

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by Benz Zito on Jan 6, 2012 5:28 AM EST up reply actions

Agreed much,

Jets scored 373 points with 30 or so on defense and specials. Jets gave up 360 with 126 points scored after turnovers.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 6, 2012 5:36 AM EST up reply actions

Down on Sanchez

He doesn’t throw with authority and very rarely throws a perfect ball … even a within 15 yards. Receivers have to always adjust to the ball. When does he ever throw a lazer that splits a couple of defenders like an elite qb?

by Crawdady on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions

He does that quite a bit actually

His problem definitely isn’t his arm. In fact he often laserbeams his throws. It’s just really noticeable when he tries to throw with touch and gets picked off. His problem is really a combination of decision making and understanding location and timing.

by Exystence on Jan 5, 2012 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

I think his mechanics are really messed up

When a QB’s mechanics are messed up, it’s hard to throw almost any pass. He may not be in confident in his release and of course he had no time in the pocket.

by jets4life24 on Jan 6, 2012 1:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

He is what he is

He only was a one year college starter and he was thrown into one of the hardest cities to be sucessful. He’s learning, its the FO fault for drafting like they did and expecting him to be an immediate starter. He should have been a project qb pick. And the inconsistency is why I (as a USC fan) wasn’t really high on the Jets going for him. But he’s here now and in the right situation he will be an above average qb. Its much easier teaching a qb to be good when it doesn’t matter than when the pressure is on and he has show poise when it counts.

by iejetsfan on Jan 5, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions

ENOUGH!!!

I don’t want to hear the one year starter in college nonsense.

He’s a THREE YEAR NFL starter.

by Crackback on Jan 5, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

it's not nonsense

Aaron Rodger’s third year starting after sitting is a big difference from Mark Sanchez’s and it’s not just because Rodgers is awesome. Look at Matt Flynn.

by PowerBar on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions

He should have been a project qb pick.

At # 5 ?

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by Troy O on Jan 5, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions

Exactly

Why would the FO pick a project QB at five and trade up to do it? Bad choice. So now the better choice is to move on, pick another unproven qb in the draft and give him THREE years or else. He needs time with someone that can use him to his strengths. So, obviously Rex and team are stuck on B.S. so they probably should move on.

And for the record there are a lot of other qbs on that list I would prefer, but that’s not who the Jets have.

by iejetsfan on Jan 5, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions

Worst in the AFC East

He was the worst in the AFC East, and that is our division and what we need to win to go to the playoffs. Dont worry about his overall rating or how he compares to his peers, we need a QB that can compete with Brady, Fitzpatrick and Moore, and Sanchez was worse that all 3. That is all you need to know.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 5, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions

Sanchez was 3rd in the ENTIRE AFC in TD Passes

Add to that he gave you 6 touchdowns rushing. He took a team with 1 wide receiver. Think about that. 1 guy out of your wide receiver pool, and he missed the playoffs by a game. With a guy that was sitting in prison, a guy that doesn’t really care about winning, a rookie, and some practice squad guys. That was the Jets offense. He is 3rd in the AFC behind Brady, Rivers in getting your team touchdowns passing.
Wait a second. What is the quarterbacks main goal? TO GET HIS TEAM TOUCHDOWNS. Sanchez is 3rd. Complaints. Ignorance. Is he perfect. No. Is he young. Yes. He is the best QB this town has seen since Joe WIllie Namath.

by manuvsteal on Jan 6, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions

The QBs main goal is to control the offense, limit mistakes, move the ball, AND score touchdowns

He did one of those.

by J-Nasty on Jan 24, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions

Disagree.

There were allot of Quarterback’s above Sanchez on that list that i would still easily take Sanchez over.

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by sanchise6 on Jan 5, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions

Everyone below Sanchez is either terrible or plays for a really bad team

and topping off the bottom third of NFL passers is not good.

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by Bro Namath on Jan 5, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions

Also,

I would take Sanchez over Fitzpatrick, Kolb ( injury prone and it’s not like he’s that amazing when he’s out there, that’s why ) and Matt Moore. The Dolphins game didn’t prove that Moore is better then Sanchez, Sanchez had better stats then him plus a WR that was ripping on him.

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by sanchise6 on Jan 7, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions

Who expected him to be Peyton Manning?

People just expected him to be as good as his peers which he has not

Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"

by Chris Kole on Jan 5, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions

His peers?

What? You know peers means alike people or friends, right? In that case, that statement doesn’t make sense.

by JetKing55 on Jan 5, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions

Peers could apply to co-workers and league-mates as well

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by Bro Namath on Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions

Aren't Mark Sanchez and other young QBs "alike people"

First round QB
Starting for an NFL team
Has 3 years of experience under his belt

He isn’t the only guy that is in or has been in this situation before.

Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"

by Chris Kole on Jan 6, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions

Mark Sanchez's peers?

Are Stafford, Freeman, Flacco, Ryan, Bradford, McCoy, and all the QB’s playing with 3 years, I’ll even give you 4 years under their belt. Who on this list does Sanchez not have more wins than in first 3 seasons? Who does Sanchez not have more TD’s than? Who does he not have more playoff wins than? Those are his peers. You think he’s not as good. He has vastly killed them.

by manuvsteal on Jan 6, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

He's not as good as Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco?

Seriously

Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"

by Chris Kole on Jan 7, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions

Mark Sanchez

Has had more wins then Flacco, Stafford, Freeman combined.

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by sanchise6 on Jan 7, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions

Oh,

Not saying that he’s better, but you can’t act like it’s inarguable.

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by sanchise6 on Jan 7, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions

First of all math lesson

Mark Sanchez: 2+2=4
Joe Flacco: 2+1+1=4

2nd of all, it’s not inarguable to say he’s worse than some of his peers, but some of them like Ryan or Flacco or Stafford, I can’t see how anyone could say he better. Yes he has more playoff wins than most young QBs, but playoff wins aren’t the end all be all of judging QBs, because the team usually has way more to do with making the playoffs and winning in the playoffs than the individual. Roethlisberger has more playoff wins than Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers combined! Does that alone mean he’s better? Of course not you look at the stats you consider their supporting cast, you consider consistency, you consider wins, you look at a lot of things, not just he has more playoff wins so he’s better.

Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"

by Chris Kole on Jan 7, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions

Michael Irvin said on NFLN the other day

“Since when do young QBs have to walk in and immediately dominate? Big Ben messed this all up with his surprising dominance in his rookie year. Yet QBs like Mark Sanchez and co. are expected to dominate right out the gate, and get criticized unjustly for not doing so.”

by jets4life24 on Jan 6, 2012 1:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions

It isn't as hard as it use to be

Look at Cam Netwon’s and Andy Dalton this year, look at Sam Bradford last year, look at Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco in 08, hell look at TJ Yates even he is playing decently as a 5th round rookie QB. Josh Freeman put up great numbers last year and Matthew Stafford is putting up amazing numbers this year. Things have changed, you can have a QB come in as a rookie and still have success.

Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"

by Chris Kole on Jan 6, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions

Sam Bradford was good last year?

He was average at best and even worse this year. Not saying he had great talent around him, but he wasn’t good.

by manuvsteal on Jan 7, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions

According to you he was average

According to everyone else he was the Offensive rookie year and broke a few rookie passing records on the way. He has no doubt regressed this year, but he has had the toughest schedule out of many rookies and didn’t have a good supporting cast to help him.

Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"

by Chris Kole on Jan 7, 2012 7:07 AM EST up reply actions

This year alone

Andy Dalton and Cam Newton had better seasons than him. Andy was a 2nd round pick. Sam Bradford was the #1 pick. Anyway, the point is throwing the ball 600 times and getting 18 TD’s and 17 picks with 3,500 yards is average when you add in that he played in the NFC West that had a 7-9 Seahawks as the winning team last year. Bradford did not have that great of a year. He was average, in a watered down division, and still didn’t dominate.
For some reason however, and I will assume it’s because he plays on the west coast we’ll assume this guy who hasn’t done anything, is somehow “better” than Sanchez who has guided the Jets to 32 wins in his first 3 years.

by manuvsteal on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions

Your numbers are wrong

and the main reason people consider his rookie year impressive is because he was on a very bad team and had little to no weapons to work with yet he won 7 games, passed for 3500 yards, making good throws, good reads, throwing accurate balls, and nearly made the playoffs with that team. In fact I watched that game in Week 17 against the Seahawks. He made the throws down the stretch to win that game, but his WRs were so sub-par that it didn’t matter how accurate he threw the ball they would drop it.

Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"

by Chris Kole on Jan 7, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions

Don’t watch NFLN, it’s stupid. The only funny part about it is when the whites or the blacks are laughing and the other side is like what the fuck are you laughing about? Not to be racist but it’s just funny.

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by sanchise6 on Jan 7, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

man, you and I are the only ones up

Still arguing on ganggreennation. I like Skip Bayless. That dude is funny in his comentary and fake racial tension.

by manuvsteal on Jan 7, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions

Few issues...

His QB rating is hurt by his eight lost fumbles.

Fumbles do not effect QB rating. Its purely a passing stat. So on just passing, he is 20 or so in the league due to 18 INTs and a 56% comp perc. Add too that, he led all those QBs with 8 lost fumbles and then you have a pretty bad QB.

I think the biggest reason people are down on Sanchez is because he was expected to be the next Peyton Manning or something.

I have never heard this before you said it. I think most people are just looking for a decent to good QB. He has not been a decent to good QB. He has been completely up and down.

I Believe Mark Sanchez IS our quarterback.

Well, thats true. He is our Quarterback.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 AM EST reply actions

He has to wait 10 seconds for Burress to seperate an inch from a DB

He has Holmes getting double covered, or the DB jumping the route, because he runs the same route 75% of the time. That leaves him with Keller who works the middle of the field patrolled by multiple linebackers and a safety playing over the top. Not to mention Holmes is running a slant route bringing more DB’s into the middle of the field. Now there’s a cluster between the numbers on most plays with no receiver going long, and very few even running out or dig routes. Your quarterback is good. He will be great. He’s giving you 30+ combind TD’s by his 3rd year. He’ll be giving you 40+ by his 4th year. Will you all still be complaining about how he’s only hitting 60% of his passes?

by manuvsteal on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions

Yes

Will you all still be complaining about how he’s only hitting 60% of his passes?

by CervezaVerde on Jan 6, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions

And if you get a capable back up Mark might not be our quarterback

I dont get how we are one of a couple of franchizes that doesnt believe in challenging our starters ,especially at the QB spot… ??
I mean even Brady has dudes that were studs in college, drafted behind him ,
my goodness look how the packers found Rodgers, they never relaxed even with the NFL’s iron man,
If Peyton goes down for the year that should be a wake up call,
You know what…. QB’s are gold in the NFL! Say we got some guy who looks good in mop up duty we could probably add on to our little 4 draft picks a year … shoot!
Why we didnt look at Vick? How we dont look at Garrard , why ? hes not good enough to beat out Brunell?
Look what happen to Mcnabb in Philly they got all kind of nice picks for guys that were backups that looked good when they got a lil starting time (remember the Jay fields guy or whatever his name was that they traded away to miami I think back in 01-02 he was doodoo Philly got picks for him ,that was a robbery)
So they draft Mcelroy. OK cool but even in that , they only drafted him to be a back up so Sanchez wouldnt feel threatened… oh, Im sorry, I ment to say challenged.
He does get paid alot though..

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by Benz Zito on Jan 6, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions

Look at the numbers

He is 3rd in the AFC in touchdown passes behind Brady and Rivers. Thats not bad. He fumbled the ball 10 times. Guess what? Mike Vick, Matt Moore, Tebow, Bradford, Mccoy, Freeman, Rivers, Roethlesburger, Manning all fumbled it just as much, if not more than him. If you fumbe, you fumble. You don’t have an option to who picks the damn ball up. Maybe you should complain about all of those quarterbacks I just mentioned. if you have alert lineman to jump on the ball, or a defensive end picking it up and running it in for a touchdown, it has nothing to do with you anymore. The only thing that counts is the lost fumble, not who gets it back.

by manuvsteal on Jan 6, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions

I don't know why it's so difficult for some people...

I completely agree with you and to piggyback off of what you said…not all of the fumbles are even his fault…hell, there are some interceptions that aren’t completely his fault. There are some of the turnovers that are but probably no more than any other QB in the league. I’m just curious if anybody has an actual count of how many of those free running Defensive players knocked the ball out of Sanchez’s hand as he was preparing to throw it. I do know there were some bad snaps too…if I recall properly even Mangold gave a bad snap that ended up on the ground in a bad field position. Sanchez has a share of the blame for the teams offensive problems but so do the WRs, and the OL (mostly Hunter). There are 15 QBs in the league with 8 or more fumbles Sanchez is the only one with which over 75% are turnovers…could it be entirely him or do these other teams have other players on the field with the awareness to fall on the ball when it gets loose? There are guys held in higher regard than Sanchez (and for the most part it is earned) but they have better situations IMHO…Rivers for example…I don’t believe he is as accurate as people give him credit for…his primary targets are all big and athletic…they all can create matchup problems and I believe they all are the types to go up and get the ball over smaller defenders…but that is San Diego putting things together to suit his strengths and weaknesses. Of his primary targets only Gates was there before him which tells me they made the adjustments to him unlike what we have done so far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFBvHe79Nnw My take is some of the problems that people have with Sanchez still go back to Schotty’s playcalling and the lack of protection…he was the 5th most sacked QB in the league and I can’t find the stat for most hurries but I’m sure he is up there on that stat as well.

by Mac N Cheese on Jan 8, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions

Ok what Im hearing here is nothing should be on the QB

I know your right about every fumble aint his fault or every INT isn’t on him .
So is it fair to throw out all the stats? .. I can try .
Say you don’t buy what the stats ….
Use the eye test , say I can watch the games objectively for the Jets is my team, root for Sanchez and just looking at every game he’s played here, ….
Whenever they put the ball in his hands or the game plan is to let Sanchez win this from the start of the game(and not run & run or try to minimize his responsibility in the handling of the game ,we are usually successful) …. he has turned into a turnover machine!
Every time they put the game on him this happens, since hes been here but we had the rookie excuse back then ,I said it my self.
I gave him a break as a rookie, even though I saw some telling signs. Like the Buffalo game where he had 5 INT’s (which happens with rookies sometimes) but the body language during that game was crazy weird…. or the bad press conference after one game when he came out with a list and reads all the answers to questions the reporters didnt ask yet, and had to apologize for that and as a result has become a public relations robot.
We all know about the red light , green light system that was put in to help him with his decision making because he threw puzzling INT’s …
Heres the thing , he has not progressed since then in my eyes no matter how you cut it/excuses it away!

The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!

by Benz Zito on Jan 9, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions

There is a rebutal even for this...

Let’s start here…Tom Brady threw 4 int against Buffalo this season and he is more than likely a first ballot hall of famer at this point…so what I’m saying is that means little to nothing…it’s a bump in the road.

Next…a press conference has nothing to do with his performance on the field.

Red light, green light was fine for trying to slow him down…he didn’t have the luxury of an Aaron Rodgers to learn behind a Favre. Sure there are guys that come right out of college and light it up but I think it will be hard to point to one with as few starts that pull it off without some time to learn.

Has he progressed? Probably very little but here is the question that should probably be asked…who is to blame if this young QB doesn’t show the signs of progress? Personally I look at the Offensive coaching staff first and foremost.

Either way the fanbase is divided about Sanchez and where he should be based on situations surrounding him in his first 3 seasons. We are all entitled to our opinions but I think the truth may be revealed with the changes in the Offensive coaching staff. If Sanchez doesn’t get better with the changes then I will be right here with you calling for him to be replaced but as it stands now I think we needed to fix the common factor for the past 6 seasons of mostly low ranking offense and we finally have started that process.

by Mac N Cheese on Jan 14, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions