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I'm TIred of the Belichick-Brady Greatest Of All Time Combo Hype



I've seen this discussion on a number of sites, including NFL.com, and the debate annoys me on a couple of levels. First, they claim to be discussing the greatest of all time, but most don't go further back than Walsh & Montana. Second, they are positively abusive in some cases if you do, thinking that football only started in 1980 or 1966.

I have my own list that of the 5 greatest coach/QB combos in history, and I saw three of them in their prime. I'd like to put it out here and see what everyone else thinks. The list after the jump.

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1. Vince Lombardi/Bart Starr - 5 championships in 9 seasons, out of 6 attempts (6 championship games in 9 years!), including the first two Super Bowls.

2. Paul Brown/Otto Graham - 11 championship appearances in 12 years, 7 wins (4 in the AAFC, 3 in the NFL). Unbelievable consistency and excellence.

3. George Halas/Sid Luckman - 4 championships in 13 years, 5 appearances.

4. Bill Walsh/Joe Montana - 3 championships in 10 years, no losses.

5. Chuck Noll/Terry Bradshaw - 4 championships in 12 years, no losses.

Sorry Pats fans, but Belichick & Brady aren't even top 5 material in my book. What does everyone else think?

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The truth hurts.

I hate the Patriots as much as any of you on here but Brady and Bellichick is a pretty damn good combo.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

Better then 3, 4, and 5.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus,

Brady and Bellichick still got 3 or 4 more years left in the tank.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you for mentioning the Browns.

THE MOST underrated combination ever. I could say they were the best team in NFL history easily. 11 Championships in 12 years? I think they made ten in a ROW! No one EVER gets to TEN championships. They did in both conferences.

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by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

And if you want to extend it to the last NFL championship before the Super Bowl era started.

The Browns also made the title game in ’64 (beating the Colts 27-0 – I still remember Jim Brown running over everyone in that game in the snow at old Cleveland Municipal Stadium) and ’65 (where they lost to the Packers at Lambeau and Ray Nitschke spent the entire game meeting Jim Brown head on at the line of scrimmage). So they made title games 13 times in 20 years – a Yankee-like standard of excellence that will probably never be repeated in the NFL.

by Traveling Man on Feb 1, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

well

as much as i hate the pats, you have to if the pats win Sunday, then they leap walsh/montana and knoll/bradshaw. you seem to believe that losing a super bowl hurts you. i don’t see it that way, it’s just another conference championship. this was their 5th in 11 years (brady didn’t start the first, so why should it count?). if the pats win, they will also beat halas/luckman, since it would be in 2 less years. based on numbers they would be 3rd, but the packers and browns were a beter all-around team. the packers have 2 rb’s in the hall of fame. will any of brady’s rb’s even get nominated? i doubt it. it’s also a little easier to win in the 60’s then today’s nfl, with 32 teams. also, you got the numbers a little wrong with brown and graham. 10 years, 10 championship appearences, 7 titles. they are number 1, brady is 2nd

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by rexthejet on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

Incorrect on the Browns.

They won the AAFC championship all four years of that league’s existence (1946-1949). In 1950, the first year after the AAFC merged with the NFL, they beat the Eagles in the championship game, where they were almost as big an underdog as the Jets were to the Colts in ‘69 and for the same reason – lack of respect. They lost the title game the next three years, won in ’54 and ’55, didn’t play in the title game in ’56 (the last Giant championship before Parcells), and lost in ’57 (the last Lions championship).

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

However, you are right about Graham. He retired after the '55 championship victory. So for the combo it is 10 in 10, with 7 wins.

So he did not play in the losing ‘57 game. Although I remember hearing some old time Giants executives telling the story of how Paul Brown thought he could talk Graham out of retirement a second time – he retired after the ’54 win but Brown talked him back in ’55 – just to play in the title game. That was Jim Brown’s first year, and Brown didn’t like either of his quarterbacks (one was Milt Plum, the other wasn’t). He tried to tell Otto it would be easy, just hand off to Jim, but Otto wasn’t buying.

by Traveling Man on Feb 1, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think losing a Super Bowl or championship game necessarily hurts you.

But if the lose they will be 2-2, with 4 appearances in 10 seasons, and that doesn’t crack the top five IMO. If they win, I would put them at 5, ahead of Noll and Bradshaw, but not ahead of any of the others. And I know they have more years left, but everyone wants to anoint them the best of all time now, and I don’t think their record to date merits that.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely different eras.

None of the teams you listed had to deal with the free agency issue the way that Belichick has had to. And the QB position has evolved to a much higher level of importance.

by Crackback on Jan 31, 2012 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

Which brings me back to one of my original points.

If you are talking about the greatest of all time then you have to allow for the differences in the structures of the league and the type of play. Otherwise you have to define an era and say these were the best within that era. That may be even harder. Let’s say you take 1980 as the start of the current era. The Steeler dynasty of the 70’s was over, and Walsh was revolutionizing the offense. Or was he? Don Coryell was doing the same types of things with lesser talent in St. Louis and San Diego in the 70’s – Walsh built on that. And didn’t Coryell get most of his ideas from Sid Gilman and his San Diego teams of the 60’s? And Gilman was a disciple of Paul Brown, who expanded the ideas of Halas, who developed the first true passing offenses with Luckman. And by the way, Luckman still holds the NFL record for percentage of TD passes per ATTEMPT – 7.9%. Thinks about that statistic for a moment.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm this is a hard one

I have only been around for the Montana/Walsh and Belli/Brady era’s….I didn’t like the 49’ers in the 80’s and 90’s just as much as I don’t like the Pats now.
However, I did watch every episode of America’s game and from what I saw, Starr and Lombardi were great but ultimately I would have to begrudgingly go with Walsh and Montana.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

What about Jim Kelly and Marv Levy?

They didn’t win the big one but they were a pretty good combo

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

I would put them in the top 10.

Because getting there 4 years in a row counts for something, along with Sid Gilman and Jack Kemp, Landry and Staubach, Ewbank and Unitas, and Belichick and Brady.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're sick of that combo getting hyped

Beat them more often.

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by Rabbit T on Feb 1, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Though I dont like hoodie he is a good coach and brady is a good QB. Hoodie is smart also who gives up all pro players older but still have solid years ahead and give up top picks to get more picks to develop and pulls it off. While we Same Old Jets, FO and fans want the old stuff and not develop good young players. After our banner draft in 06 we haven’t done crap and had the least players drafted in recent years. Then screw up with some our our FA singings.

Now its get rid of Sanchez even though he took us to 2 AFC finals and could have beaten Peyton twice. Yea he sucked hard in 2011 but let’s see. Then all those who said yea give up Bray and Tone is the man. Now get rid of Tone.

by ocjet on Feb 1, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

They cheated to win their Super Bowls...

They’ve won ZERO since being caught…that’s all I need to know…

by Down Since '86 on Feb 2, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Personally...

I tend to hate making “all time” statements about the NFL in general because comparing the 70s verus now is practically nonsensical—it’s like comparing NASCAR from the same eras where the sport is worlds different. In this era, regardless of how I feel about them, it’s harder to find a more successful combo.

Are they better than Montana and Walsh? What are the heuristics for even comparing them?

I’d say the issue isn’t whether Brady and Belichick are the greatest of all time is a stupid discussion—it is though—but rather ANY “greatest of all time” discussion is stupid regardless of the team or player involved.

by cult hero on Feb 3, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

While the Pats are the best recent franchise

I do not think they top the 5 combos you mentioned. If they capture another SB title this weekend, we’d have to revisit that though. If they win IMO that should put them in the top five. The Pats are a shell without those two men.

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by Bro Namath on Feb 3, 2012 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

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