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Sanchez Worst QB in the League Under Pressure?

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I have a lot of time and a lot of respect for Pro Football Focus, the research and statistical analysis they do should be commended, they have brought baseball style sabermetrics to football. Saying that, Baseball and Football are two completely different sports! and I think baseball can be justified and explained with stats than football. However saying that, PFF posted an article tonight that although not surprising, is rather worrying.

It states that under pressure, Mark Sanchez is the worst QB in the league and to add insult our friendly neighbours the Giants have the best QB under pressure

Sanchez was pressured 164 times, was sacked on 23.8% of those, has a 0.60 touchdown to interception ratio and completed 36.4% of his passes for the worst grade of -25.1. To add a little context -7.1 is the league average and Eli Manning came in at 9.8.

They limited the variables by restricting the measures to QB performance only, rather than WR or RB mistakes as explained:

This is more than just looking at the raw numbers, but looking at the context of the throws made. A positive completion percentage may show a QB dumping a ball off on third down for a short gain that sees the punting team coming on the field. Our grading can look at a quarterback evading pressure, throwing a perfect ball, only for it to be dropped–yet still rewarding the QB for his excellent play. It’s why we’re confident when we say over the balance of this year, there hasn’t been a better QB under pressure than Eli Manning. Here’s the entire list.

Take from it what you will, but it's well worth a read a few minutes of consideration.

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That’s what happens when you have a swinging door as a RT. That said, Sanchez shares a LOT of the blame, but it didn’t help that he was running for his life.

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 31, 2012 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

this!

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by Jeff W. on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess he wasn't used to the kind of pressure he got this year

It’s fixable I suppose. I hope his pocket presence improves.

by darshv3 on Jan 31, 2012 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah

O Line plays a ton into that, but this statistic doesn’t surprise me in the slightest

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by Simon Says Jets on Jan 31, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, this is why he needs to work on his pre-snap reads more than anything

He should know where he is going with the ball if he is getting pressured right away. He needs to do a better job recognizing the matchups, and seeing things before they happen.

by Dylan87 on Jan 31, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder why Sanchez didn't scramble more this year?

There was a problem at RT and sometimes LT too but I think he could’ve helped his Oline out by scrambling more.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

Great point.

He’s shown himself to be solid when running with the ball.

Maybe Schotty tried to teach him that QB’s win the game from the pocket. Yeah, I know, flogging a dead horse and all.

by ArunK on Jan 31, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I do think that is the reason.

After his rookie season he took so much flack for not staying in the pocket or sliding I think he just got drilled so much to stay in there and try to make throws.

by flixenuz on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Unsurprising

The eye-ball test supports these findings. Wonder if they have a stat that measures performance under perfect conditions too. I’ll bet he’s pretty bad then as well.

by Crackback on Jan 31, 2012 6:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

This year’s stats are meaningless to me. We’ve seen his worst. Now I will hope to see his best. If we don’t, we’ll undoubtedly move on.

by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 31, 2012 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

The play calling was also a major reason for this

Teams were able to put a lot of pressure on the Jets, because they didn’t even have to worry about the deep ball. It blows my mind that Schotty didn’t try to stretch the field at least 3 or 4 times per game. I know that its risky with an inaccurate QB, and a bad RT. But its impossible to have a successful offense when teams can send extra guys, and stack the box against the run. Even the Broncos (with Tebow) threw the ball deep to keep the defense honest.

by Dylan87 on Jan 31, 2012 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

Ive wondered all year long if there was more to Sanchez not throwing down the field

I kept thinking maybe he was hurt or something, I mean it felt like he never threw deep. Even if he has a weak arm, its still worth a shot every now and then.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, meant he has the strongest arm in the NFL

I would go get Manning just so we can trade Sanchez. Can you imagine all the picks and players we would get for such a specimen?

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me point out....

ALL THESE PLAYS ARE TO BRAYLON!!!!

WHY THE HELL DID WE GET RID OF HIM AND KEEP TONE!!!!

STUPID STUPID STUPID

Sorry for the caps, so frusterating. I give an F to Tanny on that one. Braylon seemed to behave in new york minus his drunk driving incident. Tone is a problem child. It says something when your the superbowl MPV and your team doesn’t want you back. FAIL!

by BringBackNamath on Jan 31, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Braylon was so good this year!

Im just wondering why only team was interested in him and that team cut him before the season ended. You can tell me he was injured but I mean when he was a FA. Why did only one team want such a great talent?

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Braylon was injured…how are you judging him when he wasn’t healthy?

It takes a special kind of coach to control Braylon. While Rex might not be the type to keep thugs like tone under control I beleive he is the type of coach to keep Braylon in check.

Thats why.

by BringBackNamath on Feb 1, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Braylon was injured as a FA both times?

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said it before

we may never know the full story. His off-field problems may be a factor but so was a shortened FA period in which he waited out for the Jets until the very end while all the other teams used up their money. By the time he signed with the 49ers, most if not all teams including the Jets already made their FA splash.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Braylon thought he was getting Holmes money, that was never going to happen

There has to be a reason why only the 49ers would sign him and nobody would pick him up after he was cut. I understand he wanted to be a Jet but if another offer was there, he wouldve taken it. It wasnt and even when he did play for the 49ers, he looked lost. I guess Schotty ran any easier system.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Lemme get this right, Sanchez should be known for his "strong" arm?

Think you guys are getting drunk on the Jets Kool Aid.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

So Sanchez has a top arm in the NFL, correct?

Im just wondering why we havent seen this cannon except for a time or two. I think Tebow had more deep passes in the Steelers game than Mark had all year long. And that cannon of Marks is far from accurate. Yup, it must be the Kool Aid.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

LAWL

Lol lemme just say I’m with you 10000000%

by umohan21 on Feb 1, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow...

Way to miss the bigger picture. You think deep throws are entirely up to the QB? What did you just start watching this game? First, you need enough protection for a deep route to develop (which he rarely had this year). Second, you need a receiver who can stretch the field vertically. No, not Tone. He has never been known for that. And definitely not Plax! I think I’m faster than him. Kerley has the speed, but as a slot receiver he’s not normally called on to run fly routes. So, even if Sanchez had time, he has no one to throw to deep! Third, your QB needs to be able to deliver the ball downfield. From what I’ve seen of Sanchez, this isn’t a problem. No, he doesn’t have the “top arm in the NFL” as you so eloquently (and completely unnecessarily) put it. But his arm is certainly good enough to deliver a deep ball. We’ve seen him do it. Go find some other BS to nock him on. How about how he’s an alcoholic who drinks before games? I’ve seen that one a few times.

by struckanerve9 on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Im not sure if the drinking thing is sarcasm, Ive never heard that,lol

Our QB has terrible accuracy, even if he can get it down the field, it rarely will be to a WR. As far as having a WR that stretches the field, it wouldnt matter, as Mark would either throw at his feet or three feet over his head. It amazes me that Jets fans are the only people who think this guy is so damn special.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

so first you're going to say he doesn't have a cannon arm

then when you’ve been proven wrong, you move to another thing. Who’s the one with the excuses? It’s been said again and again he’s more of a downfield kind of guy. That we don’t use him that way is moronic at best.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesnt have a cannon

He has a middle of the pack arm. He doesnt have a big arm at all. Where do you guys get this stuff from? You act like we got Stafford or Jeff George out there. Maybe it looks like a big arm because you are used to Penny.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Get Sanchez some real coaching

or just let him go to a place like Seattle where he will excel. This organization drafts a QB with the 5th pick and then gives him Schottenheimer and Cavanagh as his coaches. The guy plays one year at USC and we cant even give him decent coaching.

This whole mess is on the organization for not developing a talented QB. One day all the haters will regret it when Mark Sanchez is playing well in another uniform.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 31, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

I would have to disagree

Up until recently, you didnt see many rookie QBs beginning the year as the starter in their first year. Getting to the playoffs with a rookie QB was almost unheard of and getting to a title game was even more unheard of. Jets took this guy with only one year at USC and helped him get this team to a title game. Clearly, there was some good coaching involved.

Coaching can only go so far though. I mean they brought in Joe Girardi in to teach Sanchez how to slide and he pretty much disregarded his coaching almost immediately. Sanchez is a hard worker but he still cant decipher coverages and he seems unable to shake things off at times.

Jets fans are starting to remind me of that TO press conference after the Cowboys lost and he started crying about Romo being his QB. How did that work out?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

the key to your post is
Up until recently

Guys like Flacco and Ryan paved the way for Sanchez. The fact that they made it that far with Sanchez means they had the support system in place, mainly D, Special teams and a running game. Unfortunately, that doesn’t necessarily have any direct bearing on Sanchez’s development.

I don’t think Schotty was doing much or any real teaching. That Sanchez made it work in such a convoluted system I think is a testament to his potential. You can’t teach those 4th quarter comebacks. Hopefully Schotty’s stench hasn’t washed all that magic away.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

See this is where the Schotty haters lose credibility

You guys give zero credit for anything the guy did. Was he a great OC? No. Did he have his moments? Sure. I still think it was more the QB than the OC but we will soon see. I do think that Schotty’s mistake was not tailoring his system to the guy he had to work with but Sanchez certainly hasnt done enough to keep getting passes.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If what you say is true...

“I do think that Schotty’s mistake was not tailoring his system to the guy he had to work with…”

Then he gets zero credit. I’m not defending Sanchez here either, but the difference between a good coach and a crap coach is the ability to “tailor his system.” As Peyton Manning has demonstrated, a crappy coach with a once in a generation can make it to the Super Bowl.

by cult hero on Feb 1, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a mistake and one Im sure he will learn from

But you cant give zero credit and then turn around and give Sanchez credit for the good games. They both deserve some kudos and some blame.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

lose credibility???

What, exactly did Schotty EVER ACCOMPLISH!!! He took three QBs and made them look AWFUL. One of which was BRETT FREAKING FAVRE! Who, I might add, has said many times since that he hated the Jets offense! Look at Schotty’s offensive ranks since he became Jets OC. The only years where it broke the top 20 was due to the success of the run game, which has more to do with the Oline than the OC. Plus, in those years, Rex pretty much forced him to ground and pound.

Sanchez hasn’t done enough? Really? What about Pennington? Favre? They all played under Schotty and sucked. How about Drew Freaking Brees! He was also coached by Schotty and only started to excel once he left SD! They actually benched him for Doug “I’m 1000 years old” Flutie in Schotty’s (and Brees’s) last year in SD!

by struckanerve9 on Feb 1, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

He made Brett Favre look terrible? How?

Brett wouldnt learn a new playbook, as he knew he was one and done. Brett did his own thing and was doing fine until he was hurt. Blaming Schotty for anything Brett did in 08 is laughable.

Who drew up the game plans for the games where Sanchez was successful?

You are 100% wrong on Brees, Schotty wasnt even the OC there.

Pennington was a one trick pony after getting hurt so much, it was all dink and dunk. I recall when Mangini was hired he showed Chad the scouting reports the Pats had on him.

Im not even saying Schotty is some genius but blaming him for every single thing wrong with this team and with Sanchez is beyond retarded.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Who drew up the game plans for the games where Sanchez was successful?

So are you saying that when Sanchez has success, it’s all Schotty and when he fails, it’s all on him?

You are 100% wrong on Brees, Schotty wasnt even the OC there.

Actually Schotty was Brees’ QB Coach.

Pennington was a one trick pony after getting hurt so much, it was all dink and dunk. I recall when Mangini was hired he showed Chad the scouting reports the Pats had on him.

Funny how he had his best if not one of his best seasons after he left to Miami.

Im not even saying Schotty is some genius but blaming him for every single thing wrong with this team and with Sanchez is beyond retarded.

No one is blaming him for every single thing wrong with this team but the evidence points out that he was a huge part of our offense’s problem.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So Schotty as the QB coach was in control of benching Brees? And he called the plays for Brees as a QB coach?

Penny had that awesome season against an easy schedule. What happened after that 08 season? What happened when he played a good team in the playoffs?

I will keep saying it, Schotty had to go but he was from the biggest problem here. The poor accuracy and throws being blamed on the OC is laughable.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Penny had that awesome season against an easy schedule. What happened after that 08 season?

You make it sound like he sucked the next season but he didn’t, he got injured in his 3rd game. And I don’t care what kind of schedule he had, you can’t dispute a QB rating of nearly 20 points above the time he was with Schotty.

The poor accuracy and throws being blamed on the OC is laughable.

That you can’t understand that an OC and his scheme/gameplan can affect the way a QB performs is laughable.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand the gameplan of an OC, and Schotty's gameplans stunk most of the time

But it goes beyond that, the throws were and are awful. Forget about deep throws, he couldn’t even dink and dunk without getting picked. There has to be some accountability on Sanchez too. Blaming everything on Schotty is just more babying and will do nothing to help this kid.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

except

that he’s more accurate on the long throws than the short throws. So why dink and dunk? Why not give him a more vertical offense with the playaction a la Favre? This is why people are blaming Schotty.

I’m not saying Sanchez isn’t accountable. I’m saying work with what you have…and what we have in Sanchez…at least before this season…was a lot.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I have said Id rather keep Sanchez instead of getting Manning but next year is it

I dont care about the stats, I just want the turnovers limited and I want to see him taking charge of the huddle.

I agree 100% about play action, this is where Sanchez excels and it seemed to be removed from the playbook for long stretches.

I dont want to be known as the Anti-Sanchez, I like the kid and hope he turns it around. My only gripe is when I read stuff making all kinds of excuses for him. I want this kid toughened up, not coddled. Tell him he stunk last year, lets see what this kid is really made of.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

lose credibility???

What, exactly did Schotty EVER ACCOMPLISH!!! He took three QBs and made them look AWFUL. One of which was BRETT FREAKING FAVRE! Who, I might add, has said many times since that he hated the Jets offense! Look at Schotty’s offensive ranks since he became Jets OC. The only years where it broke the top 20 was due to the success of the run game, which has more to do with the Oline than the OC. Plus, in those years, Rex pretty much forced him to ground and pound.

Sanchez hasn’t done enough? Really? What about Pennington? Favre? They all played under Schotty and sucked. How about Drew Freaking Brees! He was also coached by Schotty and only started to excel once he left SD! They actually benched him for Doug “I’m 1000 years old” Flutie in Schotty’s (and Brees’s) last year in SD!

The reason why most of us blame Schotty is because we’ve actually looked into what he has accomplished in his entire coaching career!

by struckanerve9 on Feb 1, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

He was never the same after the Ravens game

He lost his confidence, and didn’t have the proper coaching to help him get his confidence back. I’ve seen this kid go through all his reads then find the open receiver. Now I see him look at his first option then go straight to his dump off receiver.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Jan 31, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

this

they really screwed up this year managing him with no protection. Hopefully he’s not damaged goods.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Difficult to read for sure.

I’m not one to try to disprove such damning evidence but there is something to be said thay may cast all this in a different light.
Mark Sanchez is a developing QB. This article has him being compared with the rest of the league at the same time.
If you wanted a pure case study the idea should be to compare Marks measurments in this instance with that of the other QB’s in the league when they were in the same position as he is now. Namely the first 3 year as starter of that particular QB’s career.
I’m sure he would fare better under thoes circumstances.
I am not however making excuses for him. He is presently a weak QB and I have what I believe to be realistic expectation that he can only marginally improve for the forseeable future.
Seeing as how mark is still in the developing window I find judging him against the rest of the league to be well… unfair, not to put too fine a point on it. Next year is a different ballgame. If he keeps this crap up I’ll be the first to sell his ass up the creek for a box food stamps.
This article is little more than kicking the kid while he’s down. We all know he’s weak under pressure. This is nothing new. But it was a good read though. I’m not one for stats but this is a well thought out approach to judging a QB under pressure and totally not what I wanted to hear. lol

by Can'tWait on Jan 31, 2012 6:57 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I would imagine there were other QBs in this study that are also developing

I dont need some new age stat to tell me what I see out of Sanchez. Is he the worst starting QB in the NFL? No way. Sanchez in my eyes, is a middle of the pack QB who makes awful decisions, lacks confidence at times and is horribly inaccurate.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more.

by umohan21 on Feb 1, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

QB coach?

havent heard anything lately about the QB coach situation. Is it basically down to getting Daboll if he isnt hired by the chiefs or sticking with Cavanagh? It would be nice to get Hue Jackson or Todd Haley.

This organization must replace Cavanagh. There is absolutely no justification for keeping him. Hopefully daboll gets the KC job and we replace Cavanagh with an experienced hand.

I didnt like the Sparano hire and one of the reasons is he has no experience working with QBs. The organization needs to realize that a top QB coach is essential if we are going to get the best out of our young QB.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 31, 2012 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

I would rather go with no QB coach rather than bring Cavanagh back.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Haley is interviewing for the OC position with the Steelers

(crossing fingers)

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not coming here

he decided on that a while ago. I think if he’s offered a job with the Stealers he’ll take it, they were his favorite team growing up.

by darshv3 on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so

Haley and Ben should work well together

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Suprised

I’m not disappointed or discouraged either. Sanchez likes to freestyle a lot and rarely plays with good technique. He’s got all the physical ability and the moxie to be a good QB in the NFL. He may put all the mental preparation and do all the studying in the world but at the end of the day his fundamentals from a QB standpoint can be atrocious at times. Most obvious of all is his footwork, I think we can all sit on our couches and notice that Sanchez’s footwork is not good. You always hear analysts on television talk about the feet having to match the arm when they talk about QBs in general. You always want to make sure your technique is perfect all the time because when push comes to shove you’re always going to revert to what you know. We’ve all seen Sanchez do that stupid little back pedal retreating 6,7,8 yards away from the line of scrimmage, trying to hide the ball behind his back. What do all the good QBs do? They all step up in the pocket, eyes down the field with both hands on the ball. I’m not discouraged however because the first thing Sparano said he was going to do with Sanchez when he got here was work on fundamentals, footwork being one of them. Now hopefully we get a QB coach to come drill him up on that stuff.

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 31, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Steve Mariucci is an NFL network analyst

He’s a Sanchez fan. He likes his attributes and ability to come back from fourth quarter deficits even if he played poorly the rest of the game. He says it’s way too early to give up on Sanchez, he said that he just needs to be coached up and work on his basics again. I agree, I think that’s what needs to happen. He has the capability to be a very solid NFL Qb

by darshv3 on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If Sanchez has one ounce of sense at all

He’ll get on the phone and call Mooch, working with him day and night until training camp begins. Mooch is one hell of a coach and he’ll really get the kids ass in gear, even if it IS just helping him throughout the offseason.

by umohan21 on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Favre had bad footwork too but he was still a good QB

Some guys have an unorthodox style and I don’t think they should be forced to change the way they play ball very early in their careers. The OC should work on a game plan that suits their young QB’s skill set. You can start working on changing a guys playing style once he gets settled in and more comfortable with the playbook and reading defenses.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No....

Favre didn’t have bad footwork he just did unorthodox things. He would throw off his back foot, he would throw across his body but at the end of the day his technique was where it needed to be.

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 31, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

He also knew how to read defenses and could get the ball down the field

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez can get the ball down the field

I really don’t understand why you’re knocking his arm strength. That’s never been a question. Reading defenses however is another story.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Has to do what he's asked

Sanchez wasn’t asked to read defenses. He was told to throw specific routes and if it wasn’t open he would either throw it anyway (resulting in a pick) or he would freak out and it was evident watching the games. Schotty never asked him to go through progressions or anything like that and that’s not Sanchez’s fault. I’m not giving up on him, I think he can still be GREAT QB in this league. Just look what some trust and confidence did for Alex Smith in SF, Sanchez can do it we’ve all seen the flashes we just need that consistency.

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he can be an average QB

He will never be an elite franchise QB. His accuracy is god awful and how can anybody here know what Schotty asked of him? I also would think he would be told if a guy was tripled covered it would be okay to throw to another guy.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair

His accuracy sucks because his footwork sucks. Accuracy and footwork have a direct correlation. Yes we don’t exactly know what was called but a lot of his drops were one step look in a direction and throw the check down. I’m excited to see what he will do under another coordinator. Every QB we’ve had playing under Schotty has never been more than average, including the Hall of Famer we rented for a year.

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Favre was fine until injured

Other than Favre, Schotty was handcuffed by QBs that couldnt stretch the field. Who knows if Schotty had deep plays called but Sanchez decided to dump off? I watched all the games and can recall many times when guys were open down field and Sanchez dumped the ball off way too quickly to a RB. How many passes were at the receivers feet? You can blame Schotty for bad playcalling but you cant blame him for terrible throws.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This past year that Sanchez just had was the best that any QB has ever had under Schotty since he took over in 2006.

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 31, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

stats don't matter when it comes to winning games

Either he’s winning games or not. This year, he didn’t win the games he needed to.

by umohan21 on Feb 1, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

another guy that believes in "winnerZ"

All of a sudden stats go out the window and we just look at the W-L column…which btw was 8-8.

Where was this talk when he was leading all those 4th quarter comebacks? I’m certain you weren’t high on him for “winning” those games then as you were when he wasn’t “winning” them this season.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I was never high on him in the first place

Couldn’t stand him at USC either. Kid has to earn my respect. Regression isn’t something to spark more of it.

by umohan21 on Feb 1, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

So than I guess that would make you a lover

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

i’m being realistic. He’s not Stafford, but he’s not the piece of shit that you guys are claiming he is. That kind of title belongs to the Jamarcus Russells and Ryan Leafs.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said he was those guys

I just see no growth. The intangibles have not been good. I love the fact you have faith in him, thats great. You just cant tell me you have seen this kid grown the last three years. He still is making the same mistakes.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

besides your missed throws, what mistakes?

He’s grown from year one to two and he’s regressed this past year.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The fumbles are awful

He has done absolutely nothing when it comes to the way he holds the ball. Maybe it is the coaching staffs fault, they should bench him if he wont change his ways.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

he has actually had about the same # of fumbles in all of his seasons

However, his pass attempts have gone up each year, indicating that he fumbles less per attempt.

This year, a lot more of the fumbles were lost, but that is most likely has more to do with chance than anything.

by PowerBar on Feb 2, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

From what some of the Ex QBs like Simms say, he isnt changing the way he holds the ball

It makes it very easy to knock away. This is a very correctable problem and Im hoping they get on Sanchez this year.

This is where I hope they bring in a viable backup so the threat is there that if Sanchez wont improve on his mistakes, he will be pulled. I seriously think this will help Mark become a better QB.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 2, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention

how he REFUSES to step into throws when he knows he’ll get hit.

by umohan21 on Feb 2, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure...

…because, clearly, Sanchez was the only guy on the field.

by struckanerve9 on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

He was the guy with three and outs killing the D

And if it wasnt a three and out, it was a fumble or a pick. Jets are in the playoffs this year with another QB.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He was the guy with three and outs killing the D

Of course…who cares about the other 21 people on the field.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The other guys count but the guy most responsible for the 8 losses is the Sanchize

He was the guy who threw the 18 INTs, not Schotty, not the D, not Holmes and not Folk. He was the guy that lost all those fumbles. Turnovers lose football games.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yea he's the guy most responsible

not the coach, not the other guys on the team. Heck not even the guys on the other team. If a team gets destroyed by Ed Reed and the Ravens D, it has nothing to do with how great the Ravens are. Get real.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ravens are now unbeatable

Good QBs find a way to win. The line didnt help his cause in that game but the way Sanchez looked after the first sack was like he thought we cant win this thing.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Shoot..

I think if you go back to ’06 when Schotty got the job, statistically the year Sanchez just had was better than any year any other QB has had under Schotty.

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

And...

Since the Denver game when he got killed, Sanchez’s accuracy on deep passes was hindered by that whole neck issue he was dealing with

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole year Im talking about

I think Sanchez completed 2 or 3 deep passes the entire year. Tebow, who is a godawful QB,completed more in one game against the Steelers.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If this were true, and I can't imagine an OC telling a QB not to go through his progressions, this could possibly be indicative of Sanchez's ability to do so

I mean, they gave the dude a red light/green light system, its possible he just might be a mental midget.

He has moxie, and an NFL arm (but certainly not a cannon), but he does his best work when he’s not thinking and playing instinctively (on the run, 2 minute drill, etc.), the guy might simply not have the ability to break down a defense and read coverages. I’m pretty sure he won’t get benched for going to his 3rd option, that’s generally something coaches like seeing their QBs do.

by J-Nasty on Feb 1, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Finally, someone with some common sense

I couldnt agree more with your post.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

With that said...

He owns career interceptions.

by cult hero on Feb 1, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

If Sanchez lovers have their way, Mark will someday own that stat

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This study only reinforces a conclusion I've reached since the end of the season.

Sanchez is not a franchise QB. He will never be an elite QB, and I doubt he will even be a Super Bowl winning QB. At best he is a journeyman starter. That being said, he is not worth the salary he is slated to be paid next year. His contract was renegotiated once already to make room for Revis before the 2010 season. The only way it can be done again realistically, given he only has two years left, is with an extension, which is not going to happen nor should it happen.

No matter what we add in the off season, this team is not winning a Super Bowl in 2012-2013. They are too many holes to fill and right now, before we add in the expiring contracts, we only have $8 million in cap space. We’ve only drafted 23 players the last five years – worst in the NFL – and we are a slow team. We tried to plug some holes with some big name FA’s to win now, but that has not worked. That’s the cold hard truth.

I think we need to trade Keller and Sanchez for more picks and to free up cap space. If we can’t trade Sanchez then dump him and save the cap space. I’m not afraid he’s ever going to another team and will make us look like idiots in the future. Despite Mariucci and other talking heads, there are way too many scouts, other executives and talent evaluators who think he will be at best middle of the road. Sign an Orton or someone else to get us through for a year or two, and use the draft to build a solid core, then use FA next year or the year after to make the run. If the goal is not just to win now, but to build an organization that can be continuously good, even with less than first round talent everywhere like the Steelers, Patriots, and Giants, then that is the only way to go. Keeping Sanchez for two more years is going to get us nothing, and there may be somebody on another team that thinks they can make him into something we couldn’t, and will give up some draft picks in return. If i thought we were going to win a championship this coming season by adding a few parts, I would not be advocating this approach. But, looking at the talent in the AFC, we are at least two solid drafts away from getting there, and being able to maintain a high level of play for a few seasons.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

Yep that's a good idea trade the 3rd year QB and his 4th year TE...why not get rid of Greene too

The more I learn about the Jets, the more I realize they should never draft another QB. The Jets should only obtain veteran QB’s through FA because some fans and some people in the FO are not patient enough to wait for young guys to develop.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The 4th year TE is going into the last year of his contract, and unless you want to pay him big bucks or franchise him after next year, he will be gone.

He’s not proven to me that he is anything special. The 3rd year QB was the #5 pick. Players like that are supposed to be a difference maker right from the start, not be a project. I know and accept that QB’s take longer, but many want to dump Ducasse after 2 years, we knew Gholston was a bust even before that, and, for some perspective, the Rams may be dumping their RT who was the #2 overall pick last year because he played so badly this year. So why is Sanchez entitled to any further benefit of the doubt, after 3 years. Yes he had other factors hurting him, we all know them, and an OC who didn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, but that OC also was the one who pushed for Sanchez in the first place based on his evaluations. We blew out Mangini’s legacy players that were no good wherever they were drafted. Are we going to keep Schotty’s because of sentiment or are we going to look at this team realistically? Do you realistically believe that this team is winning a Super Bowl next year? Because that would be the only reason for not starting to reverse the trend from the last few years and start acquiring draft picks to build a stronger foundation.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You never know.

Did San Francisco 49ers fans believe they were going to make it this far into the season, after last season? After Mangini was let go, I didn’t even know the jets would make it that far. My point is Super Bowls are hard to win, let alone make an appearance at one. There has to be stability, Sanchez being let go, still wouldn’t solve our issues. Elite QB’s don’t grow on trees. Sanchez will get a chance to prove himself under a new OC.

by itsjat on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Hey fans were calling for eli’s head after year three now look at him

by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 31, 2012 11:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He won it in year 3

But in the years that followed, he was still inconsistent. He hadnt been automatic like he is now until 2009.

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by jets4life24 on Jan 31, 2012 11:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought he won in year 4?

The year after Peyton won.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

It’s the NFL, things can change with one offseason. A lot of people didn’t even expect the Giants to make the playoffs this year, look at them now. The rams went 4-12 the year before they won the SB. Who would’ve thought San Fran would make it as far as they did and resurrect their Quarterback’s career? Did anyone think Eli would play like he has this season? stop being so negative and complaining about this team. We went 8-8. Our problems are fixable, and we definitely make noise next year. Or go ahead and just act like everything we’re doing is pointless and that nothing will ever work out, and be unhappy about all of it. The glass is half full, not half empty.

by darshv3 on Jan 31, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

My sentiments exactly. Sanchez did represent himself that well this season, but I refuse to dismiss the comebacks in 2010 or the steady play in the playoffs his first two seasons. This season he was a 3rd year QB who was rehabbing the majority of his first offseason and was lockout for the entirety of his second. All of this while playing under an OC that had no true plan and a HC who has been somewhat oblivious to what his offense is doing, other than coining the phrase " Ground and Pound."
I also forgot to mention the complete lack of continuity in the offensive skill positions-3 new receivers, a new starting FB, a starting RB that needs to be warmed up like an old car in the winter before he begins running hard and a future hall of fame running back who seemingly got old fast. He came back to a team that didn’t look anything like the one we remember from the playoff win in Foxboro last January.
I think he deserves this season to show us who he is and if he still looks suspect after that he can kick rocks and head back to Cali and buy an In n Out Burger franchise with his USC jersey on the wall.

by Jones. on Feb 1, 2012 1:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Jets have a better running game and a better defense than the Pats

The only two things that separate these two teams in coaching and the QB. If you put Tom Brady on this Jets team, they could make the SB in 12, even with its holes at safety and its lack of pass rush.

I dont see the need to clean house yet, but Jets would be better off with another QB in the short run. In the long term, Sanchez might be the answer but Im not sure most of these guys in the locker room are willing to wait.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Not exactly

I’m not taking anything away from Tom Brady, as much as I don’t like to say it, Tom Brady is one hell of a QB. But I strongly believe Brady is in a system that suites him. I’m not going to say he is a system QB, but lets go to the year Brady tore his ACL. Matt Cassel took the Patriots to the playoffs, they went 11-5. Over the preseason Ryan Mallet threw llike 4tds and like over 300 yards. Again not to take anything away from Brady, but clearly he is in a offensive scheme that works for him. I believe, since day one, Belichick built the team around Brady. Something the Jets keep saying they were going to do, but never did. They can’t just take away his receivers and expect a young QB to perform at a high level. There needs to be stability. I believe the way Sanchez has played in the post season is not a fluke. We Jet fans are just really hungry for a championship, but we need to see what we have in front of us, and i see positives.

by itsjat on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Cassel never took the Pats the playoffs

I hate the system talk crap because thats what it is. Cassel did it against the AFC West and the NFC West which was as bad as it comes. And the following year, Brady against a tougher schedule won 5 more games and he was coming off an injury.

The Jets did build Sanchez a very good offense and gave him good possession WRs but he cant get the ball to them. You cant blame an OC for accuracy issues.

As far as Mallet being good in the preseason, there was a time where Jets fans(not me) thought Brett Ratliffe was something special due to his great preseasons. There is a reason they only play in the preseason.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said he wasnt a winner, i said he didnt make the playoffs

He also faced the worst the NFL had to offer. Lemme guess, you think Brady is just a system QB and anyone could win with these Pats teams. I know at least one guy that couldnt.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The Giants have a track record of stability and solid drafts.

Not to mention a coach who has already proven he can win a Super Bowl, not just talk about it. I have a lot of Giant fans as friends who thought as you did, and I told them they were going to at least win the division before the pre-season, because of their coaching and their depth. San Francisco drafted a lot of talented players over the last few years, and their missing piece was coaching. Just look at the number of pro bowl players they have on their team, and will have for years to come, then go down our roster. Unlike Mr T. I don’t see any Victor Cruz’s hiding in the shower. It’s even more laughable because he fell so in love with Ducasse at UMass he missed the best player they had. We have 5 or 6 top flight players at best – players that can potentially make the Pro Bowl every year. We need to build on that and the way to do that is through the draft. The way to build through the draft is to hoard and acquire draft picks, and use the ones you have wisely in a plan. Someone is doing a series on the Jet’s drafts under Tanny on this site. To me, that is the biggest failing – what is our draft philosophy? Do we draft for need? Do we draft the best player available? No, we try to make a splash and grab a couple of marquee prospects and then plug the holes with whatever we can find. That’s not going to set you up for one of those “miracle” turnarounds.

I didn’t say everything we did was pointless – the team has a better percentage of hits in their 23 picks than most other teams, even the Patriots, especially over the last 3 years. Yet there is a core foundation and philosophy in place that when you get that top flight talent – wherever you find him in the draft, like a Gronkowski – there is enough other talent around him to make that big move. One big talent addition is not going to move this team over the top. We need to get there.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

One more point about Sanchez - leadership.

Whatever else may have happened, he should be an unchallenged leader and have the respect of that locker room. What apparently happened last year should never have happened, but the fact that it happened to a 3rd year QB who has been told over and over this is his team is inexcusable. If you walked into the Bengals or the Panthers locker rooms, would there be any doubt of Dalton’s or Newton’s standing after only 1 season? Who think Stafford or Bradford, despite the lost time to injuries and the difficulties they’ve had, are not in control of their offenses or don’t have the respect of their team mates? How can you respect a guy who week after week, after performances that leave you scratching your head, has nothing more to say than robotically repeat that he as to play better?

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The stuff that happened this year has nothing to do with a lack of respect for Sanchez

It is a result of the environment Rex chose to create in that locker room. Santonio was a jerk in Pittsburgh but you never heard about it because Tomlin kept his guys in check.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

When players – albeit anonymously, which I think is gutless and is another sign of lack of leadership in the locker room – are openly calling for a backup QB to challenge him and push him, as well as even asking for Peyton? When they say the FO has coddled him? I don’t care how hard he works or how many hours he puts in – that just makes the lack of results and progress even worse. Sure, Rex created that environment. But a QB who is a man would stand up in that locker room and challenge all the anonymous talkers to stand up and tell him to his face what they are saying behind his back.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The season was over when that stuff came out

There was no one in the locker room for him to confront but I remember Sanchez did confront Tone when he made comments to the media after the Ravens game. Problem was Rex didn’t back him up…He basically told the media he didn’t have a problem with Tone’s remarks.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But it apparently was going on all year long. Even Revis commented on it.

Who cares when it came out? And for the coach to say he didn’t know what was going on, especially THIS coach, who prides himself on having the pulse of his team and being able to coach anyone with any amount of baggage is past being unacceptable. If I gave that excuse to my boss for letting my group at work run out of control and not produce, I’d be pounding the pavement right now. I didn’t realize Cortlandt was such a Garden of Eden. Must have missed the signs all the times I’ve been there over the years.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

wow so we're blaming sanchez for everything that happens now right?

Holmes had nothing to do with it. Rex had nothing to do with it. Schotty had nothing to do with it. C’mon man get real. This locker room mess is on Rex and his lack of accountability.

Blaming Sanchez for that is just chugging on the haterade.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez does share in it

You are only going off what LDT has come forward and said. Until Holmes comes out and tells his side, you are getting one side. What if Holmes comes out and says Sanchez refused to throw him the ball? I wouldnt be shocked, it was kind of odd that even when he was open that Sanchez kept throwing dump offs. I mean who gets picked off twice in the same game by the same lineman?

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trust Tone to catch a ball

after the debacle in Philly

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is where its funny

Sanchez can fumble time after time or throw bad pick after bad pick, but he continues to get passes from GGN. Holmes is a frigging SB MVP and has had plenty of great games yet one bad game and he cant be trusted? This is beyond idiotic.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

When and where were those great games Tone's played in?

Those games weren’t in Pittsburgh or else he wouldn’t have been so easily replaced.
I’ll give Tone props because he’s made some great catches…..but great games? I don’t think so.
I like Santonio but he’s almost as inconsistent as Sanchez. He can look great at times and at other times he’s nowhere to be found. He was like that in the ‘burgh as well. Tone’s bad attitude is probably the reason why he doesn’t get the same pass on GGN as Sanchez.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

What has Sanchez done that ever earned him a pass though? The Jets got to those title games because of defense, running and STs. This was the first year that they tried to turn it into Mark’s team, how did that work out?

As far as Santonio, you dont give contracts like the one he just got if he didnt have great games. I recall plenty around these parts before the 11 season scared that he might go elsewhere. Im not going to waste my time pulling up all his past games, we both know this guy can play.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as Santonio, you dont give contracts like the one he just got if he didnt have great games.

Last time I checked, the Redskins were handing out those kind of contracts like candy.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So you didnt think Santonio was worth the money before the season started?

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely not

I would have given Braylon the money (and I bet half of this blog already knew that wink wink). But actually I wouldn’t have given either of them that kind of money. It just breeds Albert Haynesworth syndrome.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You lose all credibility with that statement

Only one other team in football even made Braylon an offer, and it wasn’t a good one. Santonio would’ve gotten that money in multiple places on the open market. Holmes was never thought of as Haynesworth until the end of the season and nobody really knows the real story.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yes I lose all credibility

that’s why so many of us want him back. He was never though of as a Haynesworth? The Steelers gave him away for a 5th round pick!!!

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not because he quit on the team and took plays off because he had off the field issues

Same as your beloved Braylon. Only he wasnt dumb enough to go out and get DUIs while trying to get a job. Braylon does fit on this team, we can use a dumb WR for our dumb QB.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

you're right. Braylon might have been dumb off the field

but he showed more heart and played more like a Jet than Santonio ever had. And if it was simply a ‘pot issue’, i’m pretty sure the Steelers would not have just given him away.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Im betting there is more to Braylon being pretty much blacklisted from the NFL

BTW, ask any non Jets fan who the better player is between Holmes and Edwards and be prepared to see a very one sided poll.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I could play that game too

ask any Steelers fan if they miss their “Super Bowl MVP”

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Its not a game though, its the truth

Holmes is a better WR than Edwards. Its not close.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

so you're not disputing the fact

that even though Holmes was such a ‘winner’, the Steelers gave him away.

Because when you’re really a winner, it takes more than smoking pot to do you in. Look at Big Ben.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasnt there a cap issue with Ben being cut? Im really not sure

I remember reading that the Rooney family doesnt tolerate the crap Holmes was doing.

If Holmes is so terrible, its says a ton about our HC. He’s the guy that wanted him so badly.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If Holmes is so terrible, its says a ton about our HC. He’s the guy that wanted him so badly.

I agree. It’s a poor assessment on the FO. Braylon was a better fit on the field at the very least.

And whether or not it was a cap issue or not, if they don’t tolerate the crap Holmes was doing, they DEFINITELY wouldn’t have tolerated the crap Big Ben was doing.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It also goes to the fact that a WR, even an elite one, is far less important than a REAL franchise QB

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

perhaps

and yet, his off field offense pales in comparison to what Big Ben did.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

We can agree on this

Sadly, A franchise QB is pretty much invincible. Look at Favre, that texting crap wouldnt gone unpunished if it was Jon Kitna,lol.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

The Steelers didn't let Tone go after his

first substance abuse policy. They probably wouldn’t have let Santonio go after his 2nd violation but at the same time all that was going on he attacked a woman in a bar and then posted on his twitter page it was time to “wake and bake.” The Steelers saw the handwriting on the wall Tone started getting cocky and whining about his contract after the whole Super Bowl MVP thing and his attitude went down the drain after the Steelers didn’t make the playoffs the following year.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not even sure what this is in response to,lol

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

It was kind of long and I wanted to make sure I had space but it was in response to Power Bar comparing Ben’s offense to Santonio’s

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by MDGeekyGrl on Feb 1, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks

I knew there was more to it than just smoking pot but I couldn’t remember what it was.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

Look, your anti-Sanchez comments are just as delusional as the people who think everything but Sanchez is the problem. Sanchez had plenty to do, especially in year two, with getting us to the playoffs. You don’t have to pass for 300+ yards to make an important contribution.

Ironically, Holmes also had a good year that year but I think we’re seeing now that it had as much to do with Braylon as it did with any other factor.

by cult hero on Feb 1, 2012 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, you want to enjoy mediocrity and just getting to title games, all power to ya

Im not a hater of Sanchez, just saying from what I see so far, this kid isnt gonna be anything special. You guys can kill Schotty all you want, but he doesnt make the QB throw at WRs feet or 3 feet over his head. That is entirely on the QB. Its not like Schotty was handed Stafford, this kids coach even said he wasnt ready. He hasnt shown any growth. He still cant protect the ball and he still cant read coverages. he looked the same in 11 as he did as a rookie.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

this kids coach even said he wasnt ready.

Stop grasping at straws. This is the same coach the slipped out the back door when they were investigating his team for violations.

He’s shown growth, and he’s shown regression. He protected the ball and played a lot better last season and up until the Baltimore game.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Not grasping at straws, its the truth

What Carroll did has nothing to do with whether Sanchez was ready or not. The kid.

He led the NFL in fumbles lost in 11, how is that protecting the ball? He was only 5th in INTs so he must be growing. LMAO.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Holmes is a frigging SB MVP

Uh…how long ago was that? Posada was a great player years ago too….they should have kept him on the team for next season…right?

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Holmes is now in the twilight of his career, right?

Unlike your boy Sanchez, Holmes is a winner. He;s the bad guy because he couldn’t take being wasted due to an inept QB.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

do you know who also was a winner?

Matt Cassell was a winner. Then he went to the Chiefs…not so much of a winner anymore right? This isn’t golf or tennis. It’s a team sport. Super Bowl MVP doesn’t mean jack. Go ask Desmond Howard.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What did Cassel win?

Holmes made probably the greatest catch in SB history to win the SB only a few years ago. You make him sound like a role player on a title team from 15 years ago.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

that was not the greatest catch in SB history

You want a great catch, look at David Tyree the last time the Giants took on the Pats in a Super Bowl.

He may not be a role player, but he is certainly over-hyped as evidenced by this season. You want a great player, give me Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Jonson. Holmes had Hines Ward, Mike Wallace, Big Ben and a running game. He’s not a true #1.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyree's catch was special but it did not win the SB

He is a true #1 if he had a QB.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

true #1s don't need a QB

they make their QBs better. Holmes has done nothing but the opposite this season.

And many Giant fans will argue that Tyree’s catch did win the SB. They couldn’t have made their game winning drive without that catch.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What #1s out there do you see without a decent QB?

I loved Tyree’s catch but if Buress doesnt make the catch in the endzone, its basically Aaron Boone’s 2003 HR, meaningless.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

they don't win without either

but Tyree’s catch was far more spectacular.

Uh. Larry Fitzgerald doesn’t have a good QB. Neither did Calvin Johnson his first year.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

How can Holmes be a #1 if the QB doesnt throw it to him though?

I guarantee you Fitz or Johnson would look like #2 if Sanchez was throwing to him.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

the question is why?

is it…because he’s not getting any separation? Is it…because he’s dropping balls? Is it…because he’s not the first read in an ass backwards complex offense? Is it…because he doesn’t practice and develop chemistry with Sanchez?

My point is, there are many reasons…but pointing the finger at Sanchez is taking the easy way out. And that’s not always the right way.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy throwing to him is a very accurate QB, isnt he?

If you watched the games, you would know that Holmes was bypassed plenty of time when he was wide open. Sanchez, unlike other QBs, cant be trusted to thread the needle when his best option is covered.

How much time did Eli get to practice with Cruz? Gimme a break on the lockout issues, other teams had the same lockout and did fine.

You can say there were dropped balls, but how many were pretty much uncatchable? They were either 3 feet over the WR or at their feet.

I’ll stop pointing the finger at Sanchez when you guys stop making excuses for him.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

there are no excuses

I’m just saying you’re taking the easy way out. The way that doesn’t require real thinking and analysis of the problem.

And yes, there were plenty of dropped balls because Santonio suddenly got stone hands. And so now Sanchez has to thread the needle for Holmes? How about Holmes being a #1 and getting open? I thought that’s what #1s were supposed to do?

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

How is it th easy way out?

He has been open plenty, the throws were either not there, or are terrible ones.

Sorry, if I had a choice, Id take Holmes over Sanchez right now. With a good QB, the Jets will go places, but with your real #1 like Fitz or Megatron and Sanchez at QB. I see another 8-8 at best.

Im just sick of all the excuses for a guy that has never done anything to earn them. You wanna give a like Rodgers or Brees an excuse? Fine. But Sanchez hasnt won anything to garner this kind of blind support.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that doesn't even make sense

We just went 8-8 with Holmes as our #1. You’re saying we’re going to do the same with Megatron? C’mon.

See, I don’t think the majority of these people are giving excuses. They’re just being the yin to the yang of all the people that just want to point at Sanchez. The guy deserves at least another year now that Schotty is gone.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez deserves another shot but I wouldnt even give him another full year

If he starts 1-3 and looks terrible, they have to yank him. Sorry but I would hate to lose Rex because this kid leads us to the basement.

You have to also remember that the other teams in our division are getting better. They arent going to be the gift wins they have been the last few years.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

if we keep the same D

and Sanchez reverts to 2010, we won’t be 1-3.

Actually, make that the same D without Eric Smith.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

With the teams on the schedule, Id be very disappointed if we started 2-2

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

but if it comes down to LDT’s word to Holmes, I’m pretty sure 9 out of 10 Jet fans will pick LDT.

I agree it’s odd, especially because of the success he’s had with the long ball last year. But I think after the Baltimore game, the coaching staff reined it in and wouldn’t let him air it out.

Btw, it’s alot easier to get picked by the same lineman twice in a game when your field is 10 yards deep, your WR suck at separating and you have a blown assignment at RT.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldnt they? LDT has been a very stand up guy

Going on a TV show and throwing some gas on the fire on the way out is a stand up guy, right? Its no wonder all his teammates in SD were glad to see him go. Of course he is for the Almighty Sanchez so he can do no wrong.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

so let me get this

you’re basically throwing out LDT because he spoke out on the team . Yet it’s okay for Holmes to say the kind of stuff he says?

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hate to say it but Holmes actions this offseason were a helluva lot more mature than LDTs

LDT is basically doing a poor Tiki imitation. Id like to know who on the team his TV garbage is helping. Oh yeah, the most important guy on LDT’s team….LDT.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

really

even in the twilight of his career LDT was running out and making plays and supporting his QB and coach. LDT could have quit anytime he wanted to…he had less of an incentive to run his body out there and take a beating picking up blitzes for Sanchez.

You call Holmes a winner but anyone who gives up and doesn’t run out plays is not a winner. And they teach that in every sport no matter if you’re in 1st grade or the pros.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

But you are only getting one side of the story, LDTs

Even JCo, a guy I respect a helluva lot more than LDT, said he never saw that side of Holmes. Who knows what LDTs real agenda is with Holmes, but until I hear Holmes or Sanchez side I will disregard what the guy that aired dirty laundry to advance in the TV profession said.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't like what he said

so you automatically discount it as “to advance in the TV profession”. And in the same sentence as “Who knows what his real agenda is”!

C’mon man. LDT was never the locker room cancer that Holmes is.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesnt sound like he was a beloved locker room guy in SD based on what those guys said.

Why else would a locker room leader go on TV to air our dirty laundry? Nobody else named names, just the guy with no consequences. It takes a real man to run his mouth after he isnt on the team any longer.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

nobody named names?

c’mon man, get off that haterade. So Holmes is okay for airing out his dirty laundry during the season while he’s still on contract. Yea…okay man.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Holmes actually came to Sanchez defense in my opinion by calling out the line. I would bet behind closed doors, Moore told him give it a break, look at who we got at QB.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

your bias borders on hate

so much that now you claim to know what offensive consultants say behind closed doors…nuff said.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dont hate anyone, Im just not gonna hide behind the "Sanchez Can Do No Wrong" crap

The kid stunk this year and everybody but most of the GGN faithful knows it and can admit it.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yea he stunk this year and plenty of people admit it including I

but your only answer to why is ‘cuz he sucks’ when the proper answer is ‘well lets look at all the factors involved’.

I give the GGN faithful enough credit to at least think it through and analyze the problem.

Pointing out the QB and labeling people as ‘winners’ is an outdated and illogical way of saying ‘I don’t want to think about it’.

by PowerBar on Jan 31, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I never once said because he sucks

I have answered many times in this thread alone. His accuracy is terrible, he cant protect the football(#1in INTS and Fumbles in his 3 years), his body language when things go wrong is the exact opposite of what you want out of your franchise QB.

On top of that, if he has a problem with Santonio, nut up and let him know this is his team. Dont hide behind LDT or whoever else.

I have no respect for the guys that are unnamed sources but its obviously there is already a divided locker room. This is a gigantic problem, that can flat out destroy the team and get coaches fired. Your boy Sanchez is in the middle of it and I doubt is 100% blameless.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

and so you’re saying it has nothing to do with RT, the play calling or the fact his WR don’t get separation? (I’m not the only one who notices he doesn’t get separation)

You have no respect for unnamed sources and yet by using some of your ‘guesswork’, Holmes very likely could be one of those guys.

Sanchez by association is part of the blame but if the coach gets fired because he couldn’t control his locker room, then he rightfully deserves it. And you know it.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Other QBs have overcome a weak link on the line. I think Brady was playing with two backups for awhile this year.

How would you know if he could get separation when the ball was dumped off immediately? You also didnt notice the times Holmes was open and Sanchez was throwing to guys who werent even ready for a throw.

Personally I think these two guys disregarded what was best for the team and carried their feelings onto the field.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Sanchez intentionally didn’t throw to a wide open Holmes or if Holmes intentionally dropped a pass. Its sad to feel that way too.

I agree that Rex deserves to be canned if he cant control the locker room. If anything I think Rex has gotten a bit of a pass because of Sanchez.

I focus on the lack of growth by Sanchez but the same can be said of Rex.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

According to Football Outsiders, NE was #2 in Pass Blocking while the Jets were #17. Our deficiency at RT also showed up in run blocking statistics. I think that’s very telling for a team shores up the left side of the OL and has a non existent RT.

How would you know if he could get separation when the ball was dumped off immediately?

Like most of Sanchez’s detractors said, his dump offs weren’t immediate and he often held onto the ball longer than he should have (given the amount of time the line gave him). When I watched the game I didn’t notice Holmes getting open often and neither did the fans/announcers.

Personally I think these two guys disregarded what was best for the team and carried their feelings onto the field.

I think that only goes for Holmes who has shown to be selfish. If Sanchez is to be blamed for not getting the ball to Holmes, it’s because he doesn’t have the confidence and chemistry to trust threading the needle to Holmes or trusting him not to drop the ball.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Sanchez tanks plays like that. That accusation is ridiculous and completely unsubstantiated and makes no sense considering it makes him look even worse.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:01 AM EST up reply actions  

To be honest it looked like holmes didn't know the plays at times..

It looked like he was running the wrong routes at times. Sanchez would throw a ball to a spot and holmes would be no where near it. This happened numerous times after the “kill kill” calls that Schotty had built into his play book, that completely changed the play to a different one.

by RhodesRocks on Feb 1, 2012 8:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Very true

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by MDGeekyGrl on Feb 1, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Every year coughlin is on the chopping block. Probably even after this year too

by dawg1331 on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We have 5 or 6 top flight players at best – players that can potentially make the Pro Bowl every year.

Well the Pats only have Brady, Gronk, Wilfork and maybe Hernandez so I would say the Jets are doing pretty well

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

And they have Belichick who knows how to get the most out of what he has.

And we don’t come close to consistently getting the best out of our best, except for Revis, who motivates himself.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow I thought the Jets did a damn good job in

’09 and ’11

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I meant '09 and '10

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex can rectify his issues.

But you can’t rectify a player with no talent, or make a player with marginal talent do things he can’t do. Just look at Mulligan and Smith.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you meant '09 and '10.

And I agree with you. But through age and attrition they lost a lot of leadership, and nothing filled the void. That, and a reduction in talent, was what doomed us this season. If we still had those teams, Sanchez might be better and the team might have been in the hunt this year. But if my grandma had balls she’d have been my grandpa.

Alot of those players were the FA’s we counted on for a few years before they reached the end of their careers, and Rex’s locker room philosophy and making himself the man has not bred accountability and new leadership in the locker room.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

Cromartie has grown into a team-first player with us, and is now committed to being the best he can be.Thomas Jones had the best stretch of his career with us. Marcus Dixon was a reclamation project that we’ve brought back up. Same with Maybin. We’re molding Kyle Wilson into a much better player. Mike Devito and Sione Pouha really started to get good when Rex came along. you’re under the delusion that we’re a miserable team that has no hope whatsoever.

by darshv3 on Jan 31, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said that.

Is Thomas Jones still on the team? What has he done the last two years? He was a player I liked but I was ready to wave goodbye to when he asked for the contract he did. Yes, we have some good talent in addition to the 5 or 6 superior talents. But let’s look at the roster and maybe you can point out something I missed. I’m not counting the IR guys – who knows their statuses.

QB – Marginal starter, no proven depth or backup.
RB – 1 quality back, one change of pace back, good FB, no depth.
O-line – 3 pro-bowlers but one with only a couple of years left, solid LG, no RT, no depth.
TE – 1 average TE at best, no good blockers, no depth, no consistent pass catching threat.
WR – One potential game breaking #1, no #2, a #3 with good potential, no depth.

D-line – Solid 3-4 players, one 1st year guy with potential, good depth.
ILB – 1 pro-bowl caiiber, 1 aging veteran, no depth.
OLB – No all-around talented playmaker, lots of question marks, one potential 3rd down specialist.
S – none to speak of.
CB – one pro-bowl potential HOFer, one above average CB, one 2nd year player with great potential, average nickle backs.

Special Teams – average kicker, below average punter, some solid players, above KO returner, no solid punt returner.

That look like the makings of next year’s Super Bowl roster to you?

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

To me, this is a team that wins 7-10 games based on their schedule and injuries.

And which could make a wild card. It can’t challenge the Patriots for the division, and might even be passed by Buffalo, if they get all their players back healthy and have even an average draft. I’m assuming we get such budding stars as Cumberland and Turner back to even the odds. I also assuming most of the other guys on IR such as Thomas and Leonhard are not coming back.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Woah!!

How the hell are we going to be worse next year? We have an easier schedule, an off season to fix our holes, and a new offensive coaching staff, which was a big reason our offense has sucked for the last 6 years. Sanchez isn’t going to get worse. I don’t see how you can realisticaly argue he is going to get worse. Might make the wild card? We almost made it this year. How are we realisticly going to be worse next year. You can’t.

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by rexthejet on Jan 31, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez learning a new system should be fun

Yes, you can always get worse. I dont think the Jets will but all it takes is an injury or two. Another thing I would think Jets fans wouldve learned from 08 and 11 is that there are no easy wins. Thats another place where the Jets differ from the elite teams. When the Pats play a team like the Broncos, you can bet the farm the Pats are going to win. The Jets, not so much.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Gimme a reason why I should be optimistic with Sanchez

I dont mind the Sparano hiring but so far it seems like Cavanaugh is coming back. Have the Jets not learned anything? I just hate the body language I see out of this kid and I also dont see any growth. Trust me, I would love for Sanchez to prove me wrong and I do think he should get another chance but it doesnt look good. I fear what the effects of this season will do to him.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

There are plenty of reasons to be optimistic

I agree that there are legitimate reasons to question whether improvement will happen. But I don’t understand being so fatalistic about failure. There are many reasons to be optimistic.

1. The entire offensive system will likely be easier to understand.

2. The play calling will likely be much better.

3. The Jets can still improve the OL.

4. A renewed emphasis on running game, should take pressure off of Sanchez.

5. Many of Sanchez’ bad habits have been learned in the past couple of years and there is no reason to believe that they can’t be unlearned.

6. Sanchez will likely receive plays with more time on clock, giving him more time for pre-snap reads.

7. No lockout means a more productive pre-season.

8. Sanchez and receivers will have one more year of experience together.

9. ‘Tone might actually show up to Sanchez’ camp this year.

10. Another year of experience will slow the game down for Sanchez.

The vast majority of Sanchez’ problems can be summed up as “the game still moves too fast for him.” But as I have just pointed out, there are many reasons to believe that the game will continue to get slower and slower for Sanchez.

by square1 on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Good, we dont need bright players
2. Players still have to complete the plays.
3.Sure they can but I still think plenty of this years OL related problems were on Sanchez.
4.Very True
5.I have seen nothing to believe anything like this can happen.
6. I dont see how you can know this will happen
7. True
8. I dont see other QBs having this problem as much as Sanchez but we will see
9. If I were Tone, i wouldnt have went last year either. He wouldve been retarded to participate without a contract. He gets hurt, he gets nothing.
10. Looked to me like the game got faster for him in 11.

Sanchez might excel in a dumbed down system but if he doesnt, what will be the next excuse?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

1. More complicated != more sophisticated or better. In fact, needlessly complicated systems that rely on smoke and mirrors—even when in the hands of “bright” players are probably inferior to simpler systems that play to the players’ strengths and exploit opponents weaknesses.

In the second game against the Pats this year they did nothing complicated or special. Tom Brady made Eric Smith his bitch whenever it was convenient. (Of course, even Tim Tebow can make Eric Smith his bitch.) That’s not wasting time with stupid presnap trickery or calling 3 passes from the opponent’s 5-yard line when you’re supposed to be a run first time. Or how about having 5 receivers run out short of the first down marker on third?

Simpler != dumbed down. Just because Schotty’s system was complicated and convoluted doesn’t mean it was intelligent or effective. I feel really sorry for Sam Bradford.

Sanchez does no shortage of stupid crap but until VERY recently rookies weren’t thrown to the wolves. Sachez had WAY less experience than most and his been molded by a guy who has consistently run a limp-dick offense. He couldn’t even make it all that effective with Pennington.

Sanchez had better man up this year because with Sparano as an OC, he’s got no excuses. However, he gets a hell of a lot of leeway because while you can keep parroting “Schotty didn’t throw those balls…” he was the guy that built the system and was the guy that should have been fixing problems. He never did. Instead we got gimmicks like color cards and stopwatches.

I keep hearing that Sanchez can’t read a defense and I believe it because the offensive play calling indicated that neither could our OC.

We have a whole offseason this year, an OC who I believe is a good fit for this team in terms of both attitude and system and if our FO doesn’t draft like they ate lead paint as children we should be equipped for a good year.

If Sanchez doesn’t hack it this year, it’s time to move on. If that’s the case I’d say he was ruined by a team foolish enough to make him a starter so early and foolish enough to let a crackerjack like BS mold him. I’m sure he’ll be fine on the millions he’s made though, so I won’t be crying for him either.

by cult hero on Feb 1, 2012 3:41 AM EST up reply actions  

this
I keep hearing that Sanchez can’t read a defense and I believe it because the offensive play calling indicated that neither could our OC.

Also while I don’t think Sparano is exactly the best guy to mold a QB, I still think he’s a breath of fresh air.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm really hoping the Jets get a good QB Coach for the 'Chez

He’s going to need all the help he can get next year. Also dude needs to start working with some sort of QB specialist ASAP.

Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!

by MDGeekyGrl on Feb 1, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

When I talk about Sparano’s influence, I don’t so much mean on a technical level for a QB but I think a lot of Sanchez’s problems are confidence and the coddling and stuff like that. I think Sparano’s attitude is going to be a shot in the arm for the offense.

I agree that we need a good QB coach too and that we don’t really have one right now.

by cult hero on Feb 1, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

There has to be a reason why this kid has been coddled from day one

Im not so sure Sparano or anyone for that matter can come in and turn him into Mr Confidance. Im sure Schotty wasnt in there calling the kid a loser,lol.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Pats 1-1 against buffalo this year. I guess you thought that both games were a sure win for the pats. They lost to Cleveland last year too

by dawg1331 on Jan 31, 2012 11:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sure, I never said Pats couldnt or didnt lose but its very rare. Jets can never ever be considered a gimme in any game. Rex was begging the rest of the NFL to help out against Pats, when was last time any coach asked for help against Jets?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

One Off season could make a huge difference

this response goes for your below comment too.

by darshv3 on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't necessarily have to be perfect at every position

for example, if our pass rush improves, our safeties don’t have to spend as long in coverage, and vice versa. And I think it’s at least reasonable to expect Mark to make some improvement in the off season. The organization often talks about his work ethic and dedication. And with a full, real, off season between his first two years, he took a very big step forward.

by darshv3 on Jan 31, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hes also damn good at hitting the record button on a video camera

by dawg1331 on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Might even be passed by Buffalo he says, wow lol….. Let’s talk about the giants and Pats depth at CB or ILB or really even at RB, how far have they gotten….does the moxie Sanchez has shown at times or the dominance our defense has shown at times over the past few years( which is 85-90 percent the same going into next year) show up any where on your radar or are you really so hell bent on negativity to the point ur saying Buffalo will likely be a better football team next year?

by Jetkid13 on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't say "likely".

I said “could”. And Sanchez has shown me nothing but happy feet, the ability to make an occasional play on a roll-out, poor pocket presence and inconsistent decision making (at best!).

I’ve been a Jets fan since 1965, so I think I have a pretty good perspective on things. This is by far the best three year stretch for the franchise since the early 80’s, in my opinion. And I remember how those teams were built and coached. And I want what I thought we were starting to build 30 years ago before it fell apart. I want consistency and a team that is always above average that can approach dominance.

To address your last point, dominance in one part of your team can compensate for a lot of weaknesses elsewhere. With the Pats it starts and ends with Brady; with the Giants, it’s their defensive and offensive lines. We have no one aspect of our team that is approaching dominance, let alone consistency. We have dome great players, we do not have great units.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

1965? Geez I gotta give you much respect for being a Jet fan so long

Now I see why you are so frustrated with the way things have panned out. You have to be either bald or at least a heavy drinker after putting up with this crap for so long.

Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!

by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 31, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh My!

I can handle the drinking but if my hair starts coming out, I’m driving to Florham Park to kick Rex, Tanny and Chez’s arse.

Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!

by MDGeekyGrl on Feb 1, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

'65?

Geez, you’ve been through it all haven’t you? You’ve earned a lot of respect from me, for what it’s worth. I can now see why you’re so frustrated at what happened this season.

by darshv3 on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

I think most of the regulars on this site are very knowledgeable and respectful of each other opinions. That’s why I like to read this site and occasionally get into a long discussion. But I’ve seen teams that were starting to gel fail because of injuries or impatience, and I’ve seen one year flash in the pans that everyone thought were built to last, only to crash and burn the next year. I’m starting to get that same feeling about this incarnation, and just like those early 80’s teams, there are some class act players that deserve long and productive careers as Jets, if they can get the right cast – finally – around them, and stay healthy.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW, I put up a Fanpost about this Belichick-Brady greatest combo BS.

I listed my top 5 of all time – they didn’t make it. Curious what your takes will be on this topic.

by Traveling Man on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, and this was the case last year as well.

However, last year Sanchez was also pretty damn good when he got some time. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I’d imagine that he can still be a very good QB when his OL plays up to par. If we’re sticking with the Sanchize (and i don’t see any scenario in which we don’t), then shoring up the RT spot is essential.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

Well he is under pressure for sure now.

Not just in the pocket but in his performance next year.

Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!

by jets4life24 on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I guess I just don't understand

the “fans” who have given up on Sanchez already and who seem like they are rooting for further failure to prove their preconceptions right.

I’ll be the first to admit that the jury is out on Sanchez. Depending on your metrics, Sanchez had a mediocre to very poor season. But the past is the past. What matters is the future. And — thank God! — players can improve.

It isn’t about giving Sanchez a “pass”. It is about recognizing that when you are trying to run a football team, it doesn’t make sense to wish for unicorns. You need to deal with reality. And the reality is this: Nobody is going to hand the Jets an elite QB on a silver platter with a bow on top.

The Jets have invested so much time and money into Sanchez that, right now, it makes no sense to give up on him.

What makes this whole discussion so insane is that the other QB in NY is living proof that you can’t give up on a QB just because he hasn’t put up elite numbers in his first 3 years. Even last year, Eli — in his 7th season! — was getting still getting blasted for poor judgment and throwing picks.

Do people not think that the Giants would have loved for Eli to have played as well as he played this year from his third season on? That is not how life works.

My attitude has generally been that you should look to see what an athlete can do at his best and then it is up to the coaches to develop consistency. At his best, Sanchez has proven to be better than a journeyman QB. Before I give up on him, I want to see the coaches working on those consistency issues.

by square1 on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldnt give up on Sanchez, I just wouldnt expect much more that what you have seen out of him

Three years isnt enough time for a QB to develop but in those three years you hope to see an ounce of growth. Sanchez looked like the exact same guy in year 3 as he did in year 1.

Sorry but Im not one of these guys that makes excuses for the players. I dont want to hear about a bad OLine, good QBs overcome that. I dont want to hear about bad OCs, they dont make terrible throws at peoples feet or 3 feet over their heads.

Im not one of those guys that want to see Sanchez fail to be able to say I told ya so, NFL Ticket costs me way too much money and I dont ever root against my team.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't give up on sanchez

until he stops improving. He definitely improved from his 2nd year.

by KINGESTER on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You saw improvement in 2011? Um, where?

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

At least in year one he threw it downfield

And had an o-line to protect him. With no serious WR threats until braylon came along. With all the WR swapping, limited offseason time, poor o-line and RB play… Mark set career highs in every category with brian schottenheimer as his OC.

Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!

by jets4life24 on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How did Eli do it with Victor Cruz?

They didnt have an offseason. The Giants line wasnt anything better than the Jets, so I cant see that excuse.

Alex Smith didnt have any more time than Sanchez this offseason and he had a new system to deal with too.

Andy Dalton was a rookie and he had the same offseason as Sanchez, he did fine.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Two words:

Offensive system.

In Alex Smith’s case Harbaugh went with a very simple system and worked with his talent. Even then, he was carried by—get this—a strong defense and Frank Gore.

by cult hero on Feb 1, 2012 3:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Just another excuse

So now the offensive system is the reason for bad throws at WRs feet? Offensive systems are the reason Mark cant hang on to the ball? The excuses are so weak.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Its not an excuse, its the truth

Look at the kids accuracy, its awful. The throws are not on the money. How many time outs are wasted because he doesnt know what to do? You keep telling yourself that this kid has been great, and its only the system that was failing him and the team, and any person that knows a thing about football will laugh at ya.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

why don't you answer the question?

how many throws were thrown at a WRs feet? How do you know the timeouts are because he doesn’t know what to do and not because there are 12 guys on the field?

You just go ahead and turn a blind eye to everything else and then point fingers at Sanchez. That’s how teams get nowhere.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly, I dont have the games on DVR, so I cant tell you how many throws were at their feet

All the guys on the team deserve some blame but our biggest weakness is the QB. I want him to get another year, but Im not optimistic after what Ive seen out of him as far as growth. I see an average QB, you see the next great elite QB. I guess, we shall see.

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by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said he was the next great elite QB

But this notion of sacking the head coach or sacking the QB at the first sign of trouble I think is beginning to become outdated.

And believe me, while I agree Sanchez is still part of the problem, there are many other glaring problems. Like Eric Smith.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont want either sacked yet though

Ive just been saying that what Ive seen in the last three years doesnt make me optimistic for next year but they both deserve another year. I think a 6-10 year would probably mean curtains for both though.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

You asked me how Alex Smith did it. I answered. How am I making an “excuse.” Alex Smith was able to do it by having an OC that recognized the strengths of the team and playing to them.

I’m not making an excuse. I’m giving you a reason for the difference. Alex Smith and the 49ers are the poster children for how important and actual offensive philosophy is. We have none.

by cult hero on Feb 1, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean Smith was able to learn a new system and be successful. Eli and Cruz were able to work fine. Yet the Almighty Sanchez couldn’t do the same because he had to deal with a lockout and he had to deal with new personnel.

What it comes down to is these guys dont need to be coddled and babied and have excuses made, they just went out and got it done under the same circumstances. Bad offensive philosophy or not, its no excuse for the poor throws and bad protecting of the football.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean Smith was able to learn a new system and be successful. Eli and Cruz were able to work fine.

How many OCs and offensive systems did Alex Smith go through up til now? How long has Cruz been with the Giants? You like to paint broad strokes on everything but it’s not that simple.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

But Smith was never given the OC excuse

Broad strokes? Im just responding to the “Mark didnt have a proper off season” or “Mark had to deal with different WRs” crap. Just wondering why the other guys could handle it but poor Mark couldnt? Because he is soft, thats why.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

actually yes Smith was given the OC excuse.

Smith has been the subject of a new OC and system almost every season.

by PowerBar on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

He himself figured he was gonna be dumped

He did suffer through a bunch of different systems but he was always made out to be not that good. Now that he played well, the systems were blamed.

He had some very talented OCs though. He had Mike McCarthy in year #1, followed by Norv Turner in 2006. Jim Hostler, who is meh was his OC in 07, Mike Martz took over in 08 and he was followed by more junk the next two seasons.

But Smith did have 3 very solid OCs in the past, the only thing I thing that hurt him was the amount of times the OC was changed.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

HOPE

Phil Simms said he can fix Sanchez ball security in two minutes. And someone else I forgot who, said they can help sanchez keep his eyes down field, when he scrambles really quickly. Point is, he really has escaped his basic fundamentals, and clearly hasn’t been properly coached. I know Sparano will call him out on things like that on game day. He will get better. Colt fans and Giant fans said the same thing about the Mannings.

by itsjat on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, sporano said he likes sanchez's ability to move in the pocket and escape

He wants to get back to basics with mark, and work his way up.

Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!

by jets4life24 on Jan 31, 2012 11:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Im hoping they figure it out, I do like Sanchez as a person and hope he can pull it off

If there was ever a time I would like to be proven wrong, this would be one of them.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly...

I’m already a big Sparano fan. It might be just because I want to be, but I really think he’s the right guy for this team. I’m expected a much improved offense this year.

by cult hero on Feb 1, 2012 3:46 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point, trying to fix his fundamentals is like teaching Tebow to change his throwing motion,

He had a lot of these flaws coming out of college – you could see them during his first season. There was some improvement in 2010, but everything regressed this year. It’s the old adage – you can tell a lot about a person by how they react to adversity, He did not react well at all, on any level.

by Traveling Man on Feb 1, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

wrong

he did not pump fake like madness coming out of college, that was something taught to him by Schotty. It also makes him hold onto the ball longer, which he also did not do when he first came out. He also showed a heck of a lot more pocket presence last year and was less inaccurate.

you can tell a lot about a person by how they react to adversity, He did not react well at all, on any level.

That’s funny, I’m pretty sure they said the same thing about Alex Smith and Eli.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sanchez will never ever be Eli

Ive watched both from they got to the pro’s. One showed growth, the other has never shown any.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yes because to you everything is black and white

you say you’re not a hater but everything you say is in a negative light. Maybe when you admit that not everything is black and white and there is a large gray area then maybe i’ll take you more seriously.

Because I’ll be honest, all this trashing of Sanchez of how he’s at fault for how Holmes is acting and how he has no arm at all is pretty ridiculous.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Its not about being positive or negative, its about the TRUTH

I saw nothing positive out of Sanchez in year number 3, NOTHING. He now has a divided locker room because of his awful play. You have guys pining for Manning, thats not good.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

truth?

because Sanchez doesn’t have an arm is the truth? That Sanchez is responsible for the divide in the locker room? How come every other team that does 8-8 and less doesn’t have locker room issues? C’mon man.

Yes we have guys that wouldn’t mind having the Greatest QB of All Time playing for us. I’m pretty sure that’s more of a statement of Manning’s greatness than the shit you’re trying to label Sanchez as.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez is now known for having a big arm? The divide is entirely about Sanchez. The other teams arent teams a QB away from a SB run.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

he's never had a knock on his arm strength

you’re making that BS up. All the reports are that he has an NFL caliber arm and can ‘make all the throws’. And I’m calling you out on it.

Last time I checked, the defense couldn’t get a stop to get into the Super Bowl.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The defense did fail the Jets in both title games

The Jets never get there if they are expecting to be carried by the play of Sanchez. He can make the throws, just not accurately. He doesnt have a cannon, he is middle of the pack.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

he is middle of the pack

exactly, not crap, not elite. Can he get better? He certainly can. Despite my defense of him, I think he’ll be on watch this season.

I just don’t think we need to be doom and gloom on him in an 8-8 season. There are much bigger problems. Namely Rex, the lack of accountability and the culture or lack of it.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

See its not the 8-8 season, its the lack of growth

Rex is the biggest problem and it will be very interesting what 2012 will bring. I think the team codling Sanchez was a mistake and Mark cant be blamed for that. Only problem is the guys in the huddle arent going to respect the QB if they think he needs to be babied.

There were lots of problems other than Sanchez on this Jets team that realistically was worse than an 8-8 team in my opinion. No depth, bad gameplans, overrated defensive, and the worst STs play of any Jets team I can ever remember.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Feb 1, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Eli won a Super Bowl after they called for his release that very same season

Sanchez crumbled down the stretch. Point blank.

But hell, if we’re just a Harbaugh away from Sanchez being a great QB, we need to step up the cloning research.

by J-Nasty on Feb 1, 2012 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they called for his head the year before also

and Harbaugh is definitely someone we could use on the offense right now.

by PowerBar on Feb 1, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm praying this kid has the sense and decency

to call a Rich Gannon or a Steve Mariucci or, even friggin Troy Aikman. PLEASE, call SOMEONE TO HELP because it’s been obvious (at least to ME) that even your glory days at USC were a sham.

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