The 5 biggest NFL off season player moves
It's been said before, but it's hard to make mock drafts and decide what team is going to take what player with all these different variables. Who is going to be signed to a team in free agency greatly changes the draft. What trades take place on draft day change what a team is doing. Lastly, some players get traded on draft day can all kill what you think is going to happen with your team in the off season. I'm going to talk about some player moves that are specific to the Jets and some that are just NFL moves.
I think out of these 5 moves, I'm gonna nail about 4. I'm going to give you the offseason move, or trade, and my reasoning behind it. I don't have any inside knowledge, but I'm going to use logic and past examples as my reasoning. Now on to the topic at hand.
1. First up is Payton Manning.He's the hottest topic. A while ago it was will he stay and mentor for a few seasons, or will he go. The current news around the NFL is that he's definitely going to be released before March 1st. Since he's not being traded, he has the opportunity to go to the team of his choice. Some people have mentioned the Jets. I have bad news for you, it won't be New York.
Consider that his salary this season was 28 million if he doesn't get cut. He is going to demand a large number, and even if it's not 20 million it's going to be a huge number. Also consider, he's not going to go to a team that is a perennial cellar dweller. If he has his choice, he is going to go to a veteran win-now type of team, similar to what Favre did with the Vikings.
Payton Manning is going to be a Washington Redskin. Before you laugh consider the facts. The Redskins started last season 3-1 and in first place in the NFC East. They started the season before that 4-0 with McNabb. They are fast out of the gate and fade down the stretch. The Superbowl NFC representative NY Giants were 9-7 and won the conference, while the Redskins were 5-11 in last place. The Cowboys and Vikings were 8-8 respectively. There is no run away dominant team, and winning the division is just a Manning away. The road through the playoffs is easier in the NFC as well. Add to that, he would be able to play against brother Eli Manning 2x a year.
The owner is Dan Snyder. He pulled the trigger on a 100 million dollar Albert Hainesworth deal. $100 million for a defensive tackle? I think a quarterback with a big number is not that big a deal to him, as he desperately wants to field a winner. Consider the coach. Mike Shanahan coached the Broncos to 2 NFL titles with a veteran and hall of fame QB about to retire in John Elway. This is a good team with a good defense and bad offense that had a losing record. If you throw in Dan Snyder tossing money around they are easily a Payton Manning away from dominating the NFC East next season. Throw in the fact that they have no money tied up in quarterbacks Rex Grossman and Jon Beck they have the cap space and the empty position sitting waiting for him.
Also consider there are rumors of them in the running to move up to draft Robert Griffin III. They can get Manning without using a draft pick, and promise him some help in the 1st round of the draft via Justin Blackmon or whoever he wants. They currently have the 6th pick. They can still draft a QB of the future in Nick Foles or Osweller in the 2nd round, and Manning could probably bring long time pal Reggie Wayne along to Washington. This would suddenly give them Manning, Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, and Blackmon to go with a good head coach and a good defense. It also allows them to draft a 2nd round highly rated QB to groom behind Manning for 2 or 3 years with no pressure.
2. Jets Pass Rush
The unwritten rule is that the Jets every year need pass rushers. Let's look at the recent Jets history. In 2010 they needed corners because they had just lost to the Colts in the AFC Championship. In a knee jerk reaction they traded for Antonio Cromartie, and drafted Kyle Wilson. They double dipped to ensure they could handle what they wanted to do on defense.
This season the consensus is that they need a pass rusher. I believe as history has shown they will again double dip. Once in free agency to try to cover the open spot left by Bryan Thomas and once in the draft. The combination of best price and most production in free agency comes in the form of John Abraham of the Atlanta Falcons.
If you don't remember him, he is the 6'4 260 pound defensive end that ran a 4.4 in the combine and had multiple 10+ sack seasons before he was traded to Atlanta. He has played 6 years in NY and another 6 in Atlanta. When he was with the Jets he was injury prone and subject to groin pulls and things. The last 5 years with Atlanta he has missed a total of 4 games. He's over his injury issues and he's an old veteran that can take the left outside linebacker spot from BT. He's 34 now, but last season he notched 9.5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. In fact the last 4 seasons he lowest sack total was 5.5, and he notched 9.5 or more the other 3. The Falcons aren't going to make the hurdle in the NFC South, and the Jets are going to sign him to a deal similar to what they gave Jason Taylor in 2010.
Here's the double dip part. In the draft with the OLB spot (pass rusher) covered, they can go with the best player available. I still believe they will take a pass rusher and double cover the trouble spot. I think they like Courtney Upshaw, but will instead draft Nick Perry. He is similar to John Abraham when he came out of college. This turns the anemic Jets pass rush from a liability to a positive. They can rotate Calvin Pace, John Abraham, Nick Perry, and Aaron Maybin, and get a solid pass rush all game long. The days of Jamal Westerman and Garrett McIntyre are a thing of the past.
Empty slot with Bryan Thomas departure+Need of pass rusher+familiarity with the team
Sione Pouha played a great season for the Jets. Nose tackle is one of the hardest positions to fill in the NFL, do the the size, skill, and durabilty needed to hold up in a 3-4 system. The Jets are rumored to have about 8 million in cap space currently before signings and re-signings. The resigning of Pouha is 50/50. He is a great player and does exactly what they need. However he is 32 and is getting ready for a multi year deal. I don't see the Jets giving a 32 year old a 4 or 5 year contract unless it has a low signing bonus or is incentive laden. Pouha, probably and wisely won't go for either. He has never indicated he would like to play anywhere else, but due to the skyrocketing prices of starting nose tackles he could easily get between 6-8 million for a team in dire need of one annually. Darnell Dockett for example is an average 3-4 nose for the Arizona Cardinals. He has a 6 year 56 mil deal. Vince Wilfork is in a 5 year 40 mil deal.
Where is there a team that plays a 3-4 defense that is in need of a good run stuffing nose tackle? The Pittsburgh Steelers come in and scoop him up. They currently have 34 (soon to be 35) Casey Hampton starting at nose for them. He had some good years, but is long in the tooth and more injury prone than Pouha. The Jets try to keep him, but the Steelers who already took Cotchery will take Pouha and he will start for them for the next 3-5 years.
The Jets will in turn move practice squad player Martin Tevaseu to step in and play the nose. For the last 2 seasons he was the last round of cuts in preseason. This year he steps off the practice squad, much like Pitoitua did this past season. The combination of Kenrick Ellis and Tevaseu will fill the void left by Pouha.
4. Matt Forte
Matt Forte is the premier running back of the free agency class. The Bears offense is almost nothing without him. The Bears and Vikings were the front runners for the NFC north 3 years ago, and now the Lions and Packers are the front runners for it every year. Forte even with a leg injury, has never had higher value, and is in place to go wherever he wants for some pretty good money.
Odds are that he doesn't stay in Chicago. I say that because the Bears do not have a track record of holding on to players when their contract expires. They have really only held onto a handful of guys, and most of them were defensive starters. My thinking is that he goes to the Detroit Lions who make a pretty good offer for him.
The reasoning? It strengthens the Lions while weakening the Bears (taking away their only play maker). If you watched the Lions and the Saints you saw the Lions score and score and score. They do this well. What they don't do well is run the ball, or slow the game down. They need to be able to hold onto a lead by controlling the clock and throwing short passes to the back to keep the defense off the field. These are the things that Matt Forte can bring them along with stability at the position. By signing Forte, they can keep the offenses of Green Bay off the field and take the Bears out of contention. Instead of Forte putting points on the Lions twice a year, he helps give them a running game for the next 5 years. He also lets them stop calling guys like Jahvid Best and Kevin Williams starters.
Mario Williams is 6'6 and 290 pounds. He was written off early in his career and now is reveared as of late. He's started as a 4-3 end, and moved to a 3-4 end, and most recently has been a linebacker in a 5-2 alignment. He's done it all, and done it pretty well and he's only 26 coming off an injury. He is sure to command big dollars.
My guess is that he does not return to the Texans. He didn't play the last 11 weeks of the year, or in the post season and the Texans defense continued to chug along. JJ Watt and Ryan Kerrigan are young, and the system is like a machine adding parts to fit and play well. I think they will not resign him, in order to re-sign future players. Mario will have the freedom to go where he wants and he picks a system where he can continue to produce.
There are certain teams that do a specific thing. The Giants always draft defensive ends that pass rush. The Packers always draft receivers. The Jaguars always bring in lineman. I think the Vikings are like that with defensive lineman. They brought in Jared Allen, but lost Ray Edwards to the Falcons. They still ranked top 3 in the NFL in sacks with 50 on the year. On the year they were 11th against the run, but 26th against the pass. They gave up 4,000 yards passing and 8 yards per pass play.
That speaks to the fact that the secondary is not so great, but they like to have attacking defenses. Mario WIlliams taking over at left defensive end and Jared Allen at right end improves the pass rush and the run game. In addition the Vikings have the #3 pick in the draft. Lots of people, including me have them drafting a cornerback like Morris Claiborne of LSU. In a division with the Lions and Packers that like to throw, the addition of WIlliams and drafting of Claiborne helps to negate the passing attacks of those teams and gives them a chance to grind it out with Adrian Peterson and Toby Gerheardt while Ponder improves.
There you have it. Just 5 things I think you will see this off season to help teams before the draft comes around. I didn't include other moves like Vincent Jackson finally getting a long term deal in San Diego or Desean Jackson going to Miami. These are just my thoughts on what you will see based on what I think are certain teams tendencies over the years. Thanks for reading
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i think you are spot on with manning
the only way he isn’t a redskin is if he retires or if maybe he wants to move out west ( seahawks ) .
all your other suggestions are 50/50 at best with Forte moving as being the other most likely but i see a team like the bengals as a main player for him along with maybe the bucs .
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i want jeffery in green at pick 16
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your both wrong
Peyton is a DOME player..doesnt excell that great playing outdoors in cold weather..He’ll either go to a team that has a Dome, or one in a warmer climate, that is if he even comes back.I think there is more too his Neck injury then is being reported..especially 2 operations in same yr…as for the Colts? there in a 100% rebuilding program….if they win 6 games next season they’ll feel good..
Mario will stay with texans because of Def Cord!!!!…Jets on other hand have 2 major Issues to handle..Scott and Holmes..cutting-releasing both will hurt in the Guaranteed $$$ Scott gets 4 mil..Holmes 7.5 Mil..thats alot to dish out for even the wealthest Owner…plus If they get rid of Holmes His Salary will count against the Cap!!!
your both wrong
thanks for having my back buddy lol
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i want jeffery in green at pick 16
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ok
you got to limit yourself to the amount of stupid things you say in one post.
Peyton is a DOME player..doesnt excell that great playing outdoors in cold weather
how the hell did you make this up. he plays fine in the cold.i don’t think he’d go to the redskins, just because he probably wants stability.
Mario will stay with texans because of Def Cord!!!!
no, they probably won’t have enough money.
Jets on other hand have 2 major Issues to handle..Scott and Holmes..cutting-releasing both will hurt in the Guaranteed $$$ Scott gets 4 mil..Holmes 7.5 Mil..thats alot to dish out for even the wealthest Owner…plus If they get rid of Holmes His Salary will count against the Cap!!!
they aren’t cutting them, i have no idea what you are talking about. do you have anything positive to say ever? these aren’t problems at all. you are nothing but an idiot. i can’t take your idiotic, pessimistic posts with zero analysis or stats to back it up.
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Not to mention….
JJ Watt and Ryan Kerrigan are young, and the system is like a machine adding parts to fit and play well.
Because last time I checked, Kerrigan was a linebacker for the Washington Redskins.
alright wiseguy
I was talking about Brooks Reed, and I know you got my point. At least I hope you did.
That's all fair and logical. So, do you think the only FA's the Jets sign this off-season is Abraham?
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 27, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions
Where does Braylon land? Does Tomlinson play another season, on a different team?
What about the safety position, do you address that in FA, or the draft? I love beating this horse to death, Marshawn Lynch, I know he’s a bad dude, but maybe one year with the Jets?
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 27, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions
Where would Marshawn Lynch fit? Shonn Green and Joe McKnight will eat up all but 50-60 carries. I don’t think he would start in front of Shonn, and he isn’t really a good #2 change of pace back. Braylon seems like he is open to returning to the Jets, and I hope he does come back to take Plaxico’s spot. Maybe the Jets know more than I do, because they didn’t want to re-sign him last year.
For a safety I'd like to see them go after Griffin
and on a lesser note, I really liked Dwight Lowery during his time with the Jets. I don’t know why he couldn’t be a full time free safety. He does give up some plays, but he’s a sure tackler and he gets a lot of takeaways in fumbles and interceptions. Not a bad and cheap alternative in my opinion.
I think Manning is one of the few cases where money isn’t going to be the determining factor where he ends up. I think he’s going to go to the place he feels can best enhance his legacy.
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by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 27, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
bro must have the day off
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i want jeffery in green at pick 16
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Or at the very least, severely beaten
We’ll see. I doubt he has any interest in our franchise. If he’s a full blown FA and healthy, I would try my luck with a franchise better poised to make a SB run where he would be an upgrade, Baltimore and Houston come to mind.
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Damn...
He looks good…much better than Favre did!!!!
by Down Since '86 on Jan 27, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I thought about that
Baltimore seems like they really like Joe Flacco. Especially after he did enough to get them to the super bowl. Getting a short term rental on a player, even if he’s as good as Manning does not make sense and sets them back.
I could copy and paste this for San Fran. Alex Smith finally had a good year. He did enough to get them to the superbowl but special teams killed them. They’re not going to overpay for a has been.
I think the market for Manning is smaller than many people may think. Teams within reach of a superbowl run, are not going to mortgage the quarterback they already have if it’s a guy they’ve groomed for 3 or 4 years for an expensive veteran and expect him to learn a play book, acclimate, and win a super bowl. In the existence of football, how many times has a quarterback in his first year taken anyone to a championship? I think 0. I may be wrong, but Idon’t think anyone.
The only teams that will put in a legitimate offer, and not a low ball offer for him are the Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, and mabe the 49ers. I don’t think it will be the 49ers, and the Redskins are the most logical choice. There are other teams, the Jets being one, but I can’ t see any of them possibly turning the team into upheaval for a 2 year rental project if it’s not the right fit. Mannng was a great QB. Now he is a 35 year old with 3 neck surgeries, and 2 in a 12 month span. The Redskins signing him wouldn’t hurt anything they already have going, because they didn’t have anything going in the first place at quarterback.
Manning going to the Redskins is laughable
I can 100% guarantee that Manning is going to go to a team that can keep their QB upright…He has got to be sick and tired of being hit all of the time. Washington allowed 41 sacks. No he goes to SF, or TEN. Mario Williams will not go to the Vikes…Unless the only thing he cares about is money and only IF the Texans cannot afford him then he goes to one of the following: Buffalo, NE (I would crap my pants if he did but I would think that they would make a big run at him) SD, or JAX all seem to have the money and the need.
Look throughout the NFL. The only division where there isn’t a run away division winner is the NFC East. As far as 41 sacks, that was last season, and your talking about John Beck and Rex Grossman. No one can read a defense or audible a play, or get the ball out of his hand quicker than Payton Manning. He doesn’t really need to worry about sacks.
Of course Mario Williams is concerned with the money! Matt Schaub is teh franchise quarterback, and he’s a free agent after the 2012 season. The Viking have the money and a top flight defensive line year after year. I think they wll put in the best offer for him and he’ll take it.
My prediction
Manning goes to the couch at ESPN. See ya
no way john abraham comes here
At this stage of his career there will be no way he will want to try a transition to 34 olb.
The guy we should make a strong push for is robert mathis of the colts he made a comment mid-season that he would love to play for rex ryan and our defense
by Nu York Fan on Jan 27, 2012 5:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
John Abraham has played a 3-4 outside LB before.
Also, because of his age, he wouldn’t demand a big long term multiyear contract. Where Robert Mathis (who also never played in a 3-4) is 31, he’s looking for a 4 or 5 year deal. The Jets can’t give out 40 and 50 million dollar deals every year.
Mangold, Revis, Cromartie, Holmes. The big deals are not going to be this year. Especially with -10 million in cap room. I’m sure they’ll maneuvre it to a bigger cap number, but don’t expect a large contract for any free agent. The money is not there.
i wasnt thinkin a big money contract
I was thinkin 3 year deal 4-5 mill a year but he will probably stay if the colts new head coach wants to switch their d to a 3-4
by Nu York Fan on Jan 28, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matt Forte the Premier RB Free Agent?
Sorry I think that goes to Ray Rice of the Ravens.
I don’t think we will go after Abrahams. I think asking a 34year old DE to become a OLB is asking for trouble. The Packers asked Aaron Kampman to do that and the move was disastrous.
I think one thing that needs to be considered is cap space. For example, I don’t think the Vikings have enough space to fit a contract the size that Mario Williams would demand under their cap especially with several other needs and the fact that Brian Robison played well opposite Allen.
Unfortunately I agree with you about Pioha. However one option might be to slide Mike DeVito inside as he is big enough and is a very good run defender. Dixon spelled DeVito well in relief and there are several 3-4 DE types in Free Agency including the likes of Calais Campbell, Red Bryant, Kendall Langford as well as the previously mentioned Mario Williams who are young enough to warrant the longer term investment
Devito is in no way big enough to man the nose.
If Pouha gos to Pitt then the Jets should draft another nose like an Almeda or Baptiste or maybe Poe drops for some strange reason into the 2nd BUT Devito at nose no way!
by JETSFAN IN SC on Jan 27, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
John Abraham played outside linebacker before
Also, consider the fact that they use Maybin strictly as a pass rushing linebacker and he did fairly well. I think they could use Abraham in a similar way. This is what he gives you. In 2007 he got 10 sacks and 4 fumbles forced. 2008 he got 16.5 sacks and 4 fumbles. 2009 5.5 sacks. 2010 13 sacks and 2 forced fumbles. Last year he got 9.5 sacks and another 4 forced fumbles. He’s not slowing down, he has a career 112 sacks, and as a rotational guy on a short 2 year deal, I think it’s a good smart economic, and productive deal for the Jets and for him.
I agree with you about Matt Forte. He’s not the premier back, but he’s a tight number 2 that can do it all. If you look at the Lions they have a good offense, and an improving defense. They just don’t have that guy to carry the load. Forte has a game that compliments what they do. He can carry it 250 times and catch 70 passes without breaking a sweat. If you saw how wore out their d-line was when they played the Saints you’d know how bad they need a guy to slow down the offense.
Peyton Manning should go to the 49ers.
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

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