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Scouting The Draft: Vinny Curry, DE Marshall University

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Coming to you today with another prospect who I think the Jets would be wise to look at, none other than Vinny Curry from Marshall university. I have more than a passing interest in Marshall football and Curry may be the best NFL prospect to come out of Marshall since Chad Pennington in 2000 and the best defensive player since Chris Crocker in 2003, your right; Marshall hasn't produced much defensive talent recently.

23 sacks the last two years, 21.5 tackles for loss (second nationally) in 2011; 6'4 263lb's, conference USA first team. Was mentioned as being in the running for the Bronko Nagurski Trophy (nation's best defensive player), the Chuck Bednarik Awards (nation's best defensive player) and Rotary Lombardi Awards (nation's best lineman).

Join me after the jump for a little information on his game:

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First of all we need to mention that conference USA is hardly the most respected or toughest conference in college football. That's a given and that's part of the reason why I think people are looking at him in the 2nd rather than the first round this year. He also doesn't have that elite burst that a Courtney Upshaw possesses but he is a great football player and the best thing about Vinny? he's grounded and loves to learn. A quote from Vinny taken from the senior bowl this week, responding to how he is enjoying working with NFL coaches:

I love it. I love getting coached, and I like learning new things. I'm just very excited.

Positives

Possesses natural strength with his frame, uses his hands well and extends his arms. Plays with good pad level initially and has developed pass rushing moves to accompany his strength. Has a talent of quickly disengaging from blockers and has lateral ability to seal the edge. Changes direction very quickly without losing momentum, a very clean tackler who plays the run well but has room to improve here . Moves downhill and across the face of the line to seal the gaps. High motor who works to the ball until the whistle goes. Good range in pursuit of the ball carrier. When he can't get to the ball carrier himself, he moves his blocker into gaps to force the runner into team mates. Is a natural leader who will lead by example on the field and has a positive attitude in the locker room. Never had any legal issues or off the field problems.

Negatives

Doesn't have the elite burst off the snap and won't beat many NFL tackles for speed around the outside. If he doesn't have initial success off the snap can raise his pad level and stand up too much to lineman which makes it extremely hard to get off blocks. Can sometimes be too hungry to get to the ball carrier and fails to maintain containment on the outside.

Final Word

Vinny is a high character guy who has NFL talent. Can be easily coached on how to maintain the correct pad level throughout his move. Not elite with his speed rushing but his hunger and desire and nose for the ball will stand him in good stead for a 2nd day selection. He is a very interesting prospect who I think will grow in the NFL to be a reliable, above average player. I don't think he will ever be elite but I wouldn't mind us taking a strong look at him in the 2nd round.

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If we take him

I hope he’s not related to Aaron

by chrebetsthebet on Jan 27, 2012 7:40 AM EST reply actions  

Only with a much lower pick

The questions with Curry are if he can convert to OLB, and if not, is he the right player for the Jets 3/4 defense? I don’t see it as a good fit, particularly if as noted in the article, he is somewhat smallish, not particularly fast in his speed rush, and also loses containment. The Jets DE must at a minimum be able to maintain containment.
Also, with Wilkerson and Ellis recently drafted out of less than powerhouse programs, we do not need another DL from a less than elite program, no offence to the thundering herd.

by Fartman on Jan 27, 2012 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

He is NOT a DL prospect at all for this team. I f we took him, it would be as an OLB.

And dude is not at all smallish for an OLB. In fact, I think he should shed a few pounds and get back to where he was in 2010. He seemed to bulk up for 2011, probably in anticipation of more doubles (and triple-teams). And he was right. But there’s no doubt that he was a much more dynamic player in 2010. He made splash plays in 2011, but dude was dominating every snap in 2010. The 2010 guy is a no brainer, and is right there with Upshaw. The 2011 guy is not on the same level, imo.

by Crackback on Jan 27, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Lower yes, but my top prioity in the second round

Even if we draft an OLB in the first round, jump on Vinny in the second. IMO he has great size, and great length. I see him as a Bryan Thomas replacement, playing over the TE. There is a learning curve but the kid is versitile and will find a spot.

by JetOrange on Jan 27, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know much about this guy.

He looks the part though. Great size. Doesn’t look like he needs to fill out or anything. Can work a double team.
Chris Rippon? Defensive and LBs coach? I’m not familier with his coach at all. Looks like he was coaching SP as recent as ‘08.
I don’t think this kid has had much coaching at all. He’s raw. I like that. A good NFL defensive coaching squad could really get quite a bit out of this kid and Rex is amazing with coaching up these guys. I hope the team gives him a really good interview if they get the chance. They need to find out if he can be coached up cause I don’t think he’s gotten much so far.
A move like this would be pretty consistant with where Rex likes to draw his talent from. Smaller school, raw talents like Wilk and Ellis.
Thanks for this Wyatt. I’m really gonna keep an eye on this kid.

by Can'tWait on Jan 27, 2012 8:10 AM EST reply actions  

I found a couple of better videos of the kid.

I really like him. At 6’4" he’s got great mass in his legs and seat (yeah I know how that sounded. lol). He’s not a soft tackler either. He’s not fun to come into contact with at all.
He’s just a hair slow with his legs. It bothers me but just barely. I’d like to see a tad more speed if he were to convert to OLB. It could just be the tape I’m watching on him though.

by Can'tWait on Jan 27, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

because hes ranked 7th?

The six guys infront are all projected firt rounders

by ncquake24 on Jan 27, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

yes please

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by tinley24 on Jan 27, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

if we don't draft an olb in the 1st Curry is the top target in the 2nd

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by tinley24 on Jan 27, 2012 8:54 AM EST reply actions  

Even if we draft an OLB in the first round , Curry is still a target

I would trade up in the second to get Curry. To double dip at OLB IMO you nedd different types of OLB. I see Nick Perry as a Weakside OLB, Curry as a strongside OLB, over the TE. OLB is sucg a huge weakness on this team. The very good thing about Upshaw& Curry, is that I think Upshaw can play all 4 LB positions.

by JetOrange on Jan 27, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

but i wouldn’t trade up for him . we could really draft a project OLB with one of comp picks bringing the total to 3 in this draft .
i think we could grab branch or irvin in the 2nd if curry was gone . another guy i like is McCellin and we could get his in the 4th round . he looks like an every down olb , very strong against the run and although he hasn’t elite pass rush skills he will still get his fair share of sacks . with some coaching from Rex and his guys i could see McCellin getting 8+ sacks a year . i know its not wonderful but its basically getting pace’s replacement and for seriously less money than what he costs

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by tinley24 on Jan 27, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah the late round guy i like is fleming fron notre dame

at worse he will be a very good ST player for us but i think he could find a way into the rotation a year or two from now.

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by tinley24 on Jan 27, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No Trade Ups, Please

We cannot afford to do that. Good GMs DON’T do that very often.

I’m concerned about Curry. He’s racked up a lot of stats at a lower level of competition, but if he doesn’t have that elite or closing burst, then he will not have anywhere near the same success in the NFL that he did in college. The Jets have had enough slow LBs in Harris, Scott, Pace and Thomas, and even before that. No MORE!!!! I’d rather have a lower round OLB prospect who has the speed and physical tools that can be developed, but has less experience or stats, than someone higher-rated that likely won’t be as effective in the NFL as he was in college.

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by joeklecko on Jan 28, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice looks like the real deal

Good size, gets to the QB., how is his coverage skills? Pressuring opposing Qb’s needs to be a priority next season

by Chrebetfan on Jan 27, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

We already have a 230 lb guy who rushes off the Edge called Aaron Maybin

I don’t want a every down 3/4 OLB at 240 lbs

so cross Nick Perry and Curry off the list

They are too light to fight NFL Tackles

That is why Whitney Mercilius is more desireable around 265 and Mercilius is a natural bull rusher.

Marshall isn’t exactly top competition. The Jets need an Offensive Tackle. I don’t get all this Outside Linebacker and Wide Receiver and Trent Richardson crap.

by NikolaiC on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

230lb? i get a lot of your points but Curry weighed in at 265lb’s at the Senior Bowl this week.

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by David_Wyatt on Jan 27, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The Jets need an Offensive Tackle. I don’t get all this Outside Linebacker and Wide Receiver and Trent Richardson crap.

a) we’re talking about a guy who’s gonna go in the 2nd round. so even if you think RT is the main issue the jets need to address, they can always select one in the 1st round
b) the draft is also after free agency where the jets can pick up a RT
c) um yesh. the reason ppl are talking about OLB, WR and richardson is that our OLB’s cant pass rush, our WR’s greatly underperformed and have no playmaking ability at the moment and our running game majorly regressed so therefore ppl are looking at richardson. not sure what your issue is

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Jan 27, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw that on Draft Countdown

too and that is with 10 lbs of water weight and if you read the other part of Draft countdown, they said he looked maxed out

by NikolaiC on Jan 27, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

forget reading other guys stuff on players

you will find lots of so called experts with massive differences on almost every player in the draft .

we aren’t saying lets grab Curry in the 1st , its the 2nd round and all 6 other guys draft countdown have ahead of him could be gone by our 2nd round pick

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by tinley24 on Jan 27, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

How many times did you watch Marshall play this year, David

Too be honest, I have seen Curry play a couple times this year, not just watched 7 mins of youtube footage

by NikolaiC on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

If you are following the Senior Bowl why don't we talk about

Mike Adams, we is doing so well at the Senior Bowl , he may be gone by Pick 16

by NikolaiC on Jan 27, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

I like picking him but...

Only if A) Trent Richardson or Upshaw does not fall to us at 16
and B) If we trade DOWN and Pick up Mark Barron in the late first round and Curry with the second round pick we would get in a trade. However I’m not entirely certain that there is a team with a late first round pick/early second rounder?

by Brian_W on Jan 27, 2012 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

to elaborate

Barron is a reach at 16 i believe we could pick him up later and Curry will most likely go in the 2nd round but before we pick at 48

by Brian_W on Jan 27, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Curry is 263lbs

and has been played at that weight all season.

I was reading about his matchup with Mike Adams OT who has excelled at the Senior Bowl.

In their first match up, Adams got a grib on Curry and was able to contain him. Second time around, Curry immediately switched tactics and burned him around the corner. He then feinted on Adams and swam down the inside.

He was one of few guys to get the better of Adams at the Senior Bowl and Adams is now being talked of as a possible Top15 pick.

In the 2nd he’d be a steal and unlike Whitney Mercilius who is currently a one season wonder only

by kernowjet on Jan 27, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

Only saw one Marshall game this season

And it was the Friends of Coal Bowl. I don’t remember Curry making any big plays in it.

Honestly, I don’t think Curry’s right for the Jets. He’d probably do better as a DE in a 4-3 set than as an OLB in a 3-4. Remember, this is a C-USA guy, and not at a particularly good C-USA program either.

Now, time for the shameless Mountaineer’s plug: Bruce Irvin > Vinny Curry.

by Scott Piazza on Jan 27, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

hell yes

if we dont get upshaw and trade back in the first get barron or even one of the wrs and get a pair of olbs in the second, curry being one of those…

by ganggreen24 on Jan 27, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

A stat that is being overlooked here is that as a Junior he finished with 90+ tackles and then almost 80 his Senior year. Those kind of numbers are almost unheard of for someone that finished with 10+ sacks in each year and lined up as a DE. This means 100x more to me than whatever measurable someone will quote me from the combine. Would not be surprised if he’s taken in the first round.

by DL2086 on Jan 27, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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