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Potential Jets: David Garrard

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After being cut in the preseason, David Garrard sat out the 2011 season. He was reportedly looking for a starting job that never came. If Garrard wants to rejoin the league in 2012, he might have to lower his expectations a bit and find a team where he will be given a chance to compete for a starting job. The Jets could be a logical destination.

I think Garrard would be an ideal guy to push Mark Sanchez for the starting job. Sanchez is a better player on his best day, but Garrard is better on a normal day. In order to win and keep the starting job, Sanchez would need to finally start playing with that elusive consistency.

A team will be disappointed expecting a high flying passing attack with Garrard at quarterback. He simply does not have the kind of big time arm to make the really difficult throws with regularity. What he would bring a passing game is credibility. His career numbers are respectable, a 61.1% completion percentage, an 85.8 passer rating, an average of 7 yards per attempt, and a 1.6 touchdown to interception ratio. He is mobile enough to extend plays and net positive yardage. Garrard ran for at least 250 yards in four of his last five seasons. He also protects the football with an interception rate of 2.4%. That is eleventh all time.

None of these are spectacular, but they could go a long way to improving the Jets. Garrard posts middle of the pack numbers, but the Jets were not a middle of the pack passing team in 2011. This is not the kind of quarterback to build a team around, but he can thrive where he has a strong defense and run game built around him. The Jets were just a bit more efficiency from the passing game and much better ball security away from being an 11 win team in 2011. If Sanchez is not going to be the guy, Garrard can give the team what it needs. If Mark is ready to emerge, Garrard would still be an excellent insurance policy as a backup.

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The money Sanchez is making

Garrard is about the only trash we can afford

Good job, Tannenbaum

by NikolaiC on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

He didn't have a choice.

It hasn’t really worked out with Sanchez, but trading up for a QB prospect was a good decision in our situation at the time. And when you do that, you have to pay.

by Magaca on Jan 26, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy Dalton is going to the Pro bowl

and people are still playing the Mark Sanchez at 10 M per year card

by NikolaiC on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

i thought you were firmly in the " i love sanchez " camp lol nik c

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by tinley24 on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather Orton over Garrard. And agreed. Sanchez needs a new deal.

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by Tamarack on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Why can't people understand his deal is what it is

and get over it? It doesn’t help to restructure, cut or trade the guy so just drop it already.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Why doesnt it help to restructure?

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not understanding this either… why doesn’t it help to restructure?

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by Tamarack on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this

I don’t like Orton. I’d rather bring in Garrard, Quinn, or Campbell

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by greenandwhite4ever on Jan 26, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldnt mind Campbell, I want no part of the other 3 though

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Campbell would be my first choice hands down.

by cult hero on Jan 26, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry , But we really as a fan base have to stop thinking that these career starters will want to sign on as a Back up with a low salary. Everyday I hear lets get Garrard,Orton,Campbell as a back up. I bet these guys have no interest being a back up for 1-2mill.

Our Focus should be on the Brady Quinns,Chad Hennes(not really a good starter)Even Matt Leinart if he is available.Even, yes I will say it.Kellen Clemens. Go ahead boo me, but I said it.

The big names are not in our budget,especially with the other holes we need filled.

by Kickersarepeopletoo on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

I could see Henne, Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart are awful

Kellen Clemens!? I like the guy as a person but I was at the game he started in 09 versus an awful Bucs team, and he was not very good. And that was with a good line and running game.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats my point, The dream is to have a career starter as our back up that demands high money.That dream will be shattered

Reality is getting a Younger guy to step in as a 2 like the above mentioned makes for finacial sense. Thats why these 4 names stick out to me, They are the type that we will target cause financially its the samrt thing to do.

by Kickersarepeopletoo on Jan 26, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but I dont see Clemens being brought in as the #2

Unless Henne is going to be offered a starting job somewhere, I see him as the guy coming in. It makes sense as he will be familiar with this offense and some of the staff. If this does happen, Henne will be starting at some point in 12.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Orton isn't coming because he wants to start

I don’t know how much I believe in the whole “Sanchez needs someone to push him” mindset but I think Garrard is a good choice for a back up.
It’s funny I was reading some of the posts on the Bucs blog and some of those people say the same things about Freeman as some people say over here about Sanchez.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

the only problem with Garrard is that he might be too good

He is a good short yardage passer, the very thing Sanchez struggles with mightily.

I say bring him on…but you might end up losing Sanchez in the end.

by ________key on Jan 26, 2012 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Believe me....Losing Sanchez to Garrard won't be a problem

Garrard may have been too good 4 or 5 years ago but his best role is as a back up nowadays.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d agree with you until Schottenheimer basically stole Sanchez’s soul. Sanchez is a confidence QB, and he really started spiraling down last year. By the way he ended the season he definitely could lose his job to Garrard.

Garrard’s last three years QB rating ending with 2010:: 81.7, 83.5, 90.8
Sanchez’s: 63.0, 65.3, 78.2

Not 4 or 5 years ago. The last 3 years.

by ________key on Jan 26, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but Garrard had an elite running back in Jacksonville

I hate using stats, I just like going by what I see. Have you watched him play when MJD is out injured? Remember the Jags had a chance to take over the AFC South and kick the Colts out of the playoffs last season. MJD went down and it all went to crap. And if you want to go by stats, check out how many yards the guy threw for during his 7th-10th year in the league and compare them to Sanchez’s first 3 yrs.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

And Sanchez had the advantage of a potent, run heavy offense for the first two years and lots of play action. There is nothing in Garrard’s game from the last three years that says he is a worse QB that the QB we saw in a Jet uniform the last 5 games of the season. My goodness, he was completing passes to defensive linemen by the time it was all over.

by ________key on Jan 27, 2012 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Schotty stole his soul, LMAO

Nobody believed in Sanchez more than Schotty. Why else would he continue to have the kid throw? There is only so much you can blame on coaching, the kid has some issues. They are issues that he can overcome but its time he gets some of the blame in these parts too.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

They have been drilling “just don’t make a mistake” into him since they red light yellow lighted him. Yes, he was permitted to pass a lot, but bizarrely, ONLY passes that he isn’t very good at, short, rhythmn’d precise throws that are supposed to be “safe”. Trying to turn Sanchez into Joe Montana, refusing to throw anything deeper than 15 yards allowed defense to just creep closer and closer to the line and defend a much smaller portion of the field. The end result was that Sanchez couldn’t even complete what seemed like the safest and easiest of passes, dump offs, screens, little slants. He confidence plummeted during the season until in the end he was getting INTs from the DL.

Sanchez of course did not respond well to this, but it was the coaches who put the bracelets on him and tried to turn him into an accurate timing QB. He just isn’t that kind of QB. He is a playmaker. He needs to be able to use more of the field.

I honestly though am not sure that he has it in him to recover from this year. They are going to run more and keep with the “just don’t make a mistake kid” philosophy. Ever wonder why he is so good at the end of games? It is because he basically is allowed to make a mistake. When all bets are off he becomes instinctual and free wheeling

At least that is my take.

by ________key on Jan 27, 2012 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Competition is good but

what isn’t good is letting your guy know that if he makes a mistake, he loses his job.

by darshv3 on Jan 26, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Ok. Here is where we start to get into the thick of this offseason.

What do we think is the teams plan?
To push Mark? Or to replace him?
If we sign Garrard, he will look better than Mark in camp. I can promise you. The WR’s will take a liking to him instantly and then the real problems start.
If the coaching staff doesn’t have the balls to sit Mark for the better option then what is the point in spending the money on a QB in the first place?
You can’t go back once you start going down this path. If the team decides to sign a QB they have to be ready to pull the plug on Sanchez.
I don’t think Rex has the balls to sit Mark for anyone short of Manning.

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

If we sign Garrard, he will look better than Mark in camp. I can promise you.

totally agree. And you won’t be able to cover it up with all kinds of Rex “Mark is our man!” talk. The entire team will see.it.

by ________key on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

And lord knows Mark wont be a able to handle the dreaded QB controversy

At least it will be a new excuse for the GGN faithful when it comes to the Sanchize though. “Sanchez is pressing because Garrard is behind him, this was a mistake”, I can see that excuse now.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there will be much controversy. Garrard just would be playing by the middle of the season. Right now Sanchez can’t even though a screen pass effectively.

by ________key on Jan 27, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

When was the last time Garrard looked good in training camp?

You forgot Luke McCowan beat him out of his starting job in Jacksonville this year.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Luke was brought in bc the team was unsettled at the QB position.

They fell for the new guy which is exactly what this team will do. I promise you.
Thats what I mean by going down a slippery slope. The team (the players) are not sold on Mark. They will instantly latch on to the new guy.
In a split rep situation or open competition, the players WILL take sides.
Too much of this team is ready to drop Mark off a cliff because he has put them in some bad situations in the past.
The entire defense will instantly fall in love with whoever walks through that door. Plax and Holmes will do whatever thay can, short of dropping Marks passes to make the other guy seem better.
Signing a QB opens up a $h!tstorm that Rex is not prepared for.

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Not true

Luke was Garrard’s backup in ’09 the QB position was not unsettled until Garrard could not perform this preseason

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Luke wasn't drafted by the Jaguars

Blaine Gabbart was….

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And Blaine was not supposed to start at all this year

He was supposed to be the 3rd string QB

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not really sure what your arguing with me about.

When did I say Garrard was a good QB?
I said he would LOOK BETTER THAN MARK.
Mark has to learn a new system. A system Garrard can run with ease.
Mark is going to be going through a learning process while Garrard would be busy speaking a language in the huddle that Mark has yet to learn.
This is what I mean by the team falling in love with the new guy.
When a team is unsettled at the QB position the players take an instant liking to the Veteran that gets brought in. And the Coaches have an easier time especially in this case because Mark has to learn a new offense.
I’m not talking about Luke McCown or blaine Gabbert.
I’m talking about this team.

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It's called a debate, not an argument

I don’t know about you but I’m not angry or emotionally invested enough to argue with you about anyone or anything Jets related.
The only reason you are getting defensive is because disproved every point you have tried to make. But it’s okay….I’m done with you.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I am totally lost right now.

Can anyone tell me what I said?
What did you disprove that I said?
I stated opinions. Not facts. How can anyone disprove an opinion?

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to admit, I have no idea what you did that was defensive or offensive,lol

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Its actually a confusing thread

It starts of with MD knocking Garrard, saying he was beat out of his job by McCown(not true BTW). Then MD said “the QB position was not unsettled until Garrard could not perform this preseason”, which is different than Garrard getting beat out of the job. I honestly dont even see where you two were “debating” anything.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The word "argue" is the word that offended me

I’m not here to argue with anyone, I have enough of that going on in the real world. The points you tried to make about Luck McCowan were not opinions, they were points you believed were true.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Points I believe are true ARE OPINIONS.
Thats why I said them.
And all this because of one word? “Argue”?
It’s not my fault that I picked up on your tone as being argumentative.
And it’s certainly not my fault that you have too much of “THAT” going on in your “REAL LIFE”.

I’m sorry I picked up on your argumentative tone and I’m so sorry there is too much arguing going on in your “real life” but I actually didn’t do anything to you to warrant your reaction. Might I suggest aiming your frustration at the actual person who pissed you off today?

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I accept your apology

I hope that makes you feel better

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You can be sarcastic all you want.

I’m not angry in the slightest. Just really really confused. lol
But seriously. This is a community of fans who should try to be friendly whenever possible. I have no Idea whats got you so wound up but I hope you work it out on your end. If one word truly got you pissed off then I really am sorry you missunderstood me. I have no problem attempting to take the high road here even though I don’t really think I did much wrong. At all…
I have had too many decent conversations with you in the past to let whatever it is you got going on change that.
Whatever all this ^^^^^ is, isn’t like you at all.

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay I've calmed down a bit and I will apologize to you

I’ve had a pretty crappy week… My father has finally fully recovered from open heart surgery a couple of months ago and now my mom is in the hospital with a pretty serious illness so I guess I am a little sensitive. I try to come to this site to keep my mind off of my real world problems but I clearly wasn’t able to do that today. I don’t apologize to many people but I’m doing it here. Truce?

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

:(

Oh no, been through this before; prayers and best wishes to you and your family…

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean this truly. I'm not offended or upset So there is no need.

I’ve read your comments enough to know when you weren’t being yourself. It was obvious something was wrong.
I’m very sorry about your family. Life has a shitty way of piling on us when things seem like they can’t get any worse.
Take it as a test of your character and do your best to stay strong for everyone around you. One way or another you’ll get through it all and be all the better for it.
I know that sounds very silly coming from someone you don’t know but trust me, I have had some truely horrid things happen to me and my family. I know that hopeless feeling very well.
Just keep fighting through it. You have ALL our best wishes.

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You and Nat88 are going to make me cry

So stop it….LOL
Seriously thank you. It’s funny because I have been pretty calm through everything but for some reason everything came to a head today. It seems about right something Jets related would set me off…LOL! I blame Schotty.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuc%ing Shotty

He can’t even keep himself out of a fans family turmoil.
He’s like a virus. lol

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I once saw him steal a homeless guy’s change cup.

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That scumbag.

Didn’t newsday catch him stealing a 3 year olds ice cream cone last summer? lol

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And I'm glad you see the error in your ways

It shows maturity

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You just made my day

Thank you

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok now I'm really confused.

Which one is it? Was he giving the position after “Garrard could not perform” or because “Luke beat him out of his starting job”?

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me be clear

Garrard was given the starting job at the beginning of the season. He was told be Del Rio the position was his to lose. He did not perform well during the preseason so he lost his job.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

*by

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong

They cut him to save money. It was mainly about the money but he was obviously injured, which didnt come out until later when other teams were interested.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Also if Mark's teammates are stupid enough

to become enamored with a 33 year old washed up QB then so be it. Let Mark play somewhere else.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Garrard is not better than Sanchez

but this offense is gonna struggle no matter what. I predict that Sanchez is gone before the draft and that he will excel with either Seattle or Washington. I believe Sanchez will be a very good QB with the right coaching but that will never occur as a member of the Jets.

We will all look back in 2 or 3 years and ask why he didnt play that way in New York. The instability of this organization is what tore us down this season and what will be the end of both rex and tanny after next season.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

garrard stinks

Plus he’s coming off back surgery. I never thought he was really that impressive when he was healthy. I say we bring in someone to COMPETE for the starting job. I’m sick of Sanchez being coddled. If the guy we bring in performs better in the preseason etc than start him over Sanchez

by FlightBoy83 on Jan 26, 2012 12:47 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Sanchez is gonna be the starter next season

barring something regarding peyton, which is really really unlikely anyway. I say we bring in someone who’s not gonna take Mark’s Job away from him, but will at least give him a little bit more competitive fire. Someone like Brady Quinn or Chad Henne.

by darshv3 on Jan 26, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

If we could get a QB in here who’s better than what we have (and how fucking hard would that be?…) WHY would any fan of this team NOT want that to happen?

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you not read all the blind love for Sanchez here at GGN?

This guy could probably run a person over in a drunken rage and somehow it would be Schotty’s fault.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol you ain’t kidding. I’ll be waiting to hear next year when the inaccuracy and horrible picks continue, that it’s all because of his 3 seasons under Schottemheimer.

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

first of all, why would you not want the best player on the field for us? if someone is doing a better job than Sanchez then they should play. you play to win games
Second, we are not 100% positive that Sanchez would beat out someone like Orton, Henne etc

by FlightBoy83 on Jan 26, 2012 12:54 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Sanchez has a high celing

we just can’t seem to get it out of him. He could be a very good Quarterback, he has the physical attributes and the rare ability to show up in some big games. We already know the celing of players like Garrard and Orton. Sanchez just needs to get into a system where he’s comfortable and develop some confidence, both in himself, and his receivers.

by darshv3 on Jan 26, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand this sentiment at all. High ceiling based on what, his draft status? Because his numbers are putrid.

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Garrard much better than Orton

Campbell is another good option. Obviously Manning or Flynn would be my #1 choice, but they are probably not realistic. We need to bring in another capable QB though.

by Dylan87 on Jan 26, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

By the way guys

Jason La Canfora reported a long time ago, like after that Palmer trade happened, that Campbell was only interested in being a starter in this league, he doesn’t wanna be a back up. I don’t think he’d be too interested in coming here.

by darshv3 on Jan 26, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Campbell should be a starter somewhere

The guy has the worst luck as any QB out there. He finally starts to have a successful season and he gets injured. I hope someone cuts him a break.

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 26, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Few problems here

Can you imagine the fallout if Orton or Garrard beat Sanchez for the starting position? You might as well put Tanny’s head on a stick outside Metlife stadium bc he’d be done.
But realistically Orton and Garrard both want to be starters and aren’t likely to ‘settle’ for a back up job. As much as they say they want to push Sanchez, they really don’t want to replace him (not yet anyway). Look for a lowgrade push.

by mangold'sbeard on Jan 26, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

I laughed with the Tanny's head on a stick thing

Its funny but I think if Sanchez lost the job many would be lauding this team for finally getting it. I honestly think Mark should get another year but if we start seeing the same awful picks, fumbles and body language on the sideline, sit his ass down.

Im not too keen on Garrard and I have a feeling he waits until he can grab a starting job due to someone being injured. I also agree its going to be a low grade guy like a Henne, but I dont see it being someone like Kellen Clemens.

Rex and Tanny have to know that their future is tied to Sanchez. If this kid goes out there and leads us to a 6-10 or 7-9 season, these guys may be out of their jobs. Im hoping they realize this and bring in a viable backup.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you, it’s almost like Rex is the captain intent on going down with the ship. And he will get run out of town in a hurry if the team keeps regressing. Why not just say hey, we may have made a mistake moving up in that draft for Sanchez, it happens. Try something different; even if it’s a new face in camp who can play QB and has a career rating that cracks freakin’ 80.

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think they need to abandon ship on Sanchez

In all fairness, he has only played 3 years and this way off of coming out of school way to early. The problem I have with the kid is I havent seen any growth. He is making almost all the same mistakes he made as a rookie. The same misreads, the same types of INTs and fumbles. On top of that he seems to have fallen into a guy that checks down way to often.

With that said, he should be given every chance to succeed but there does need to be a real back up.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really just at the point...

Where this season is do or die for Mark. We’ll see what happens under the new offensive staff.

by cult hero on Jan 26, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

See, if Im Rex I dont even give him the entire season

If we see the same crap out of Sanchez in the first quarter of the season and start out 1-3, I pull him.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They both suck

Garrard sucks. Sanchez is worse. Manning or trade up for RGIII, or we’re missing the playoffs again.

by Holgorsen on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

take a step back

Sanchez has been in the league 3 years. He’s been in the playoffs 2 of them. And won 4 times on the road (Only Eli has more road wins). Calm down, we aren’t getting RGII and Manning is broke.

by mangold'sbeard on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Comparing Sanchez to Eli is laughable. But, there are those playoff “wins”…

First of all, of those 4 oft repeated road victories Sanchez posted QB ratings of 62.4 vs Indy, and 60.1 vs San Diego. So throw half of them out, since one might argue that the defense and run game won those contests in spite of him. Those numbers are sickening. Against New England he threw 3 TD’s and played a mistake free game, in probably the most gratifying Jets victory I’ve ever watched. Can’t take that away from him. But the guy has never thrown for 200 yards in any playoff victory, and in wins he averages 23.5 attempts against 31.5 attempts in playoff losses. That translates to less Sanchez, better chance of winning.

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

that argument doesn't make sense

and i have so little respect for you that I’m not going to explain why

by darshv3 on Jan 26, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Compelling rebuttal.

However, due to the fact we’ve never been introduced much less had a real conversation, I couldn’t care less about your self conceived personal assessment.

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed, compared Sanchez to Eli is cheap

I know it. But people act like it f*ing doomsday. I bet Romo’s stats are way better than Sanchize (never checked), but he wilts in every big game. I’ll take the guy who can win.

by mangold'sbeard on Jan 26, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly...

I don’t care who the QB is as long as:

1. We’re winning.

2. Watching the offense doesn’t put me to sleep.

by cult hero on Jan 26, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

The offense

will put you to sleep as it has since 1998. It makes no difference who the QB is as long as this team continues to have a conservative gameplan and rely on the defense 100% to win games.
It is not a coincidence that this team has not been good offensively since 1998.

You can all blame Sanchez all you want but the system we run and will run now is anti QB. Just the same way that Flacco doesnt put up big numbers in Baltimore the QB of the Jets will never have prolific numbers as long as this is a defensive team.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 26, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Anti QB?

Schotty got killed for having the kid throw so much. Look at the QBs the Jets have had since 98 and you will realize why the team hasnt been great offensively.

I know Favre isnt a beloved figure in these parts but I would his lone season with the Jets was the only season where I wasnt bored when we were on offense. And that was with a vanilla playbook.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Keller would be deadly with any QB who was capable of consistently getting the ball in his hands.

by nationalist88 on Jan 26, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Keller can be a weapon but he also seems like his head isnt always in the game

Well, unless Mark is hitting the side of it anyway.

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This, I agree with.

Thats why I think he’s solid trade bait. He could bring a nice return if the team doesn’t think highly enough of him in Tony’s system.

by Can'tWait on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes Anti QB

in that the offense is conservative in nature and extremely predictable. I realize that Sanchez threw a lot of passes but no QB will do well when the defense knows what is coming. We essentially played red zone offense at all times where the defenses knew they only had to defend 10-15 yards at most.

Pennington was a QB and so is Sanchez. It is not the fault of the QB when the defensive minded head coaches dont let the QBs take chances downfield. This is why Flacco doesnt put up big numbers and why sanchez doesnt either.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 26, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The kid cannot read coverages and he simply will not take shots down the field. That is a deadly mixture and pretty much makes you have to go conservative. Sure teams always knew what was coming, this is what happens when the QB cannot stretch the field.

It worked at times with Pennington because he was a very smart QB and he had WRs that excelled at achieving YAC. Sanchez sadly doesnt have the smarts or that kind of personnel.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Which brings us all to my backup QB choice

If he can throw, it has to be Chad Pennington. Reasons:
1. He can also help coach Sanchize and help him with he reads.
2. If he need to come in, he can win games.
3. He’ll challenge Sanchize, but won’t take his job.

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by ProfScorpio on Jan 28, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Hurry up offense

why is it that Sanchez has played his best football when we are down in the 4th qtr. It is because we play a hurry up offense and Mark can just improvise and make plays. He doesnt worry about making mistakes since we are already down and knows he just has to go out and make plays.

The fact that sanchez has played his best football in the clutch tells you that we have a winner on our hands. Its too bad that most fans dont realize this because we will all regret it when he is lighting it up for another team.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

He already is lighting it up for other teams

Thats the problem!

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Garrard?

Doesn’t Sparano’s system call for a good vertical passer? Is that not what Sanchez is good at? Is that not what Garrard is exactly not good at? I understand the sentiments about the kid but in all fairness, he truly deserves one more year to prove himself. I think any QB in the league who doesn’t understand the game plan on a week to week basis would shit the bed. We know he’s intelligent and hard working, so the only common denominator is Schotty’s overly complex gameplanning. Just give Sanchez a chance to grasp a “simpler” game plan under a competent OC. Sparano doesn’t have to be our savior, just not clinically retarded. And likewise, Sanchez need not to be our savior. Minimizing his mistakes and giving him a deep threat (Braylon anyone?) should be the priority.

And just as an aside, I wonder if Tom Moore might become more involved. Maybe the front office is attempting to have him coach up Sanchez a bit. If thats the case, Sparano might indeed be the perfect man to run the show. As pointed out by Verde, he and Moore run the same offense.

by MarcoPolo89 on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

First of all...

love this:

Sparano doesn’t have to be our savior, just not clinically retarded.

Second of all, if I was reading CV’s post correctly, Moore is not “in tune” with the type of offense Sparano is likely bringing with him. I’m guessing part of Moore’s value was that his background was in the same “type” of system Schotty’s was.

When people in the media (and on GGN) started explaining exactly how complex Schotty’s system was, it was no wonder Sanchez looked frustrated, overwhelmed, confused, mad when plays fell apart, etc. I still think there were some major issues with accuracy and reads, etc. But I can imagine that if you’re spending extra time learning an overly complex weekly gameplan, that’s not time you can spend 1) learning how to read defenses; and 2) actually reading defenses.

I’m hopeful that a new system provides the right stimulus for Sanchez’s growth as a QB.

by MiaJets on Jan 26, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Mistake . . .

Your right. The Ron Erhardt-Ray Perkins offense is Sparano. Moore is the Coryell.

by MarcoPolo89 on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

I Voted No

because I think he will cost too much regardless of whether he is willing to settle for a backup position if Sanchez beats him out. I also think that would do more to hurt than help Sanchez.

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by joeklecko on Jan 27, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

shit keep it real Payton not coming to the JETS he will cost to much plus he’s one good hit away from being in a wheel chair..we need a Q.B to wake up sanchez to open his eye’s cause he threw the rock like shit last year! … I think Garrard will be ok.

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by bomberjet on Jan 27, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

For a franchise that has done nothing but sucked for a few decades

the sense of entitlement from the “fans” is truly stunning. There is almost a glee with which people attack Sanchez. It’s like people want Sanchez to fail. I don’t get it.

The Jets have made an investment in Mark Sanchez. By far, the best chance that the Jets have of winning a SB in the next 4-5 years is if they stick with Sanchez, develop him properly, and hope that he becomes an elite QB.

Is that guaranteed to work? Of course not. But there is a much higher likelihood of success than if the Jets flush their investment down the toilet and hand the reins to a journeyman QB.

Where would the Giants be if they gave up on Eli after 3 years? He wasn’t elite then. Hell, he wasn’t elite last year. The Giants replaced their OC and then were patient while Eli steadily improved. Does anyone seriously think that the Giants would have won this year with Garrard?

There is no magic wand that is going to replace Sanchez with a guaranteed elite QB. The Jets can either take the chance that Sanchez will improve or they can quit and become the Redskins as they rotate a series of mediocre arms through the most important position over the next few years.

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