Santonio Holmes: Stay or Go?
by John B on Jan 26, 2012 9:31 AM EST
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I think Santonio Holmes has become a bit of a boogey man for the problems the Jets had this past season. It is one thing to say he was part of the problem. He clearly was. From calling his teammates out to the press to some really ugly plays late in the year to getting benched on the season's final drive, 2011 will not go down as Holmes' finest hour. I think there is a distinction between saying somebody was part of the problem and saying he was the entire problem, though.
Since the season has ended, the portrayal in the media has tended to place the blame for the season at Holmes' feet. Teammates took swipes at him in the press. When somebody told Manish Mehta that Mark Sanchez is lazy, some just assumed it was the disgruntled Holmes. The ill conceived offensive system and the quarterback's problems reading basic coverages and making accurate throws have received much less attention.
Make no mistake about it. The Jets knew what they were getting into with Holmes. His past indicated he could be a problem child. That is part of the price the team agreed to pay to have Holmes around. To act shocked when things break down doesn't square with reality to me. The potential for problems is part of the deal. In order to get a productive Santonio, the team was going to need to do things a certain way.
What the Jets did instead was a recipe for disaster. They paid Holmes franchise receiver money and then had him essentially restricted to running seven yard slant patterns on almost every play. When the receiver gets open on these, it still requires a tight, deadly accurate throw on time through a rapidly closing window. That is what the Jets based their offense on last year, but Mark Sanchez was not the quarterback for that kind of offense. Making quick reads and accurate throws are clearly not strengths of his. Furthermore, the coaching staff beat into his head the need to avoid risky throws, like the tight ones slants require. Beyond this, the passing lanes were even more crowded than usual because the other team could stick all of its defenders within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage as the Jets never tried to make them pay by throwing down the field.
It makes no sense to pay a receiver the kind of money the Jets paid Holmes and run an offense this way. It makes even less sense when that receiver is a difficult personality. This is not an excuse for Santonio's bad behavior. It is just Santonio's personality was a known commodity and so should have been an understanding of how to keep him focused.
The season was not a total bust for Holmes. His numbers were quite low, but he was pretty adept at drawing penalty calls against the secondary that work like catches. He also had a pair of game winning touchdown catches late in the fourth quarter. Whatever problems he might have caused in the locker room, the Jets might not have won certain games without his play.
Jason of NYJetsCap.com now estimates getting rid of Holmes will cost $3.5 million more against the team's cap than keeping him would. That number is down from the $8.5 million estimation he previously had, but I struggle to see the logic behind creating a hole and decreasing the team's cap space just to get rid of a guy who has the potential to be a gamebreaker. Holmes has been extremely successful on good teams in the past. He was a Super Bowl MVP. Rex Ryan clearly pushed the wrong buttons making him a captain, but his influence is not one that has prevented his teams from being very good.
My friend Brian Bassett of The Jets Blog has called Holmes a necessary evil for now. I am of the same line of thinking. I will be thrilled the day the team can find a receiver who can produce without all the baggage, but I think the Jets are going to be hard pressed to find somebody better right now.
I think Holmes should stay. How about you?
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Perspective from a Patriots fan:
If you really care about team chemistry and principle, you should cut any player who has badmouthed a teammate. It’s one thing to talk smack about other teams. That’s the personality of your team. But you should not allow talent to trump toxic character.
Holmes is definitely not a captain and should be traded if possible. I’m not saying that as a gleeful Patriots fan. If Holmes was on our team, I’d be lobbying for a cut and I believe we would. See Moss, Randy. We get rid of locker room problems even if it means using backups and scrubs. Look at our D. It’s filled with waiver players, street signees, UDFAs, and rejects from other teams. But all of them talk about the amazing chemistry the team has and how they’ve never been on a closer team.
That’s why I would say you should send Holmes out or he needs to apologize. Right now it seems he thinks he is immune from criticism.
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Hey man, congrats on the SB
But in all due respect, the Jets’ way of doing business if very much different than that of the Patriots. Rex said he’s gonna get this worked out between Tone and his teammates. And I think we kinda need him anyway, he’s an outstanding player and we just need to get him back to form.
And as a Jets fan....
I would love it if our organization was run like that Patriots.
5 Superbowl appearances in 10 years? to our how many? ZERO!!!!!
Clearly they are doing something right.
by BringBackNamath on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
If Holmes does apologize
I’d keep him because he’s really good.
But if he continues to ruffle feathers, he can’t stay. That will make players lose respect for Rex really fast.
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Is your team winning because it has great chemistry or because you have a great QB, though?
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if brady bad mouthed a team mate would you want him gone ?
i bet you would rather get rid of his team mate
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If Brady badmouthed a temmate
1) Badmouthed
2) Refused to apologize
3) Made it public to the media,
I’d say without a shadow of a doubt, SHIP HIM OUT.
When O’Brien and Brady got into a fight, Brady quickly apologized, hugged Billy, and told the media it was his fault. So did O’Brien.
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It would have been an awesome dilemma to watch unfold when he was in his prime.
Now it would be less entertaining as he’s bound to start dipping off statistically. I doubt a majority of Pats fans would want him shipped off though.
Fair point
I think it wins because we make smart personnel decisions. We have consistently stockpiled draft picks, picked up hungry veterans, and managed the team well. Part of doing that is getting rid of locker-room problems.
No matter how attractive your coach is (and Rex really does attract players), no one wants to be in a “corrupt” atmosphere the way Greg McElroy put it. Trading Holmes would send a message to the rest of the team. That’s why it’s T-E-A-M. Not a set of talented divas. A collection of athletic freaks. It’s a set of dedicated hungry men who work together to win a Super Bowl.
If talent is all that counts, why do you think there are so many UDFAs in the league? To use a basketball analogy, Derek Fisher of the Lakers is one of the oldest and poorest PGs in the game. Yet when he was a FA two years ago, everyone wanted him. Why? Because he hustles, is intelligent, and is very inspiring. He’s the only friend Kobe Bryant has. His teamates say they’d vote for him as President. You need guys who will either lead by example (See Revis or Mangold) or who lead by their presence (See Ray Lewis or Leonhard)
We’re not afraid to ship anyone out no matter how essential. See Moss. Or Haynesworth. Or Meriweather. Or so many others I can name.
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with a Patriots fan....
but I do. I voted Holmes should go from the pure fact that he’s a troublemaker making the whole team look bad. I’m a professor of Organizational Behavior, and the phenomena of emotional contagion is very real—when you go to work, if your co-worker that sits next to you is in a bad mood, you are more likely to be in a bad mood. The same goes for locker rooms. Holmes’ attitude poisoned the rest of the player’s attitudes—especially when they see nothing is being done by the coaching staff to correct it.
stay this year and cut his ass next year when it saves us 8.75m in cap space
draft Jeffery this year to replace him .
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Holmes is a symptom of a problem not the actual problem
Got rid of Elis, J-Co, and (yes I will say this Edwards dude had issues but he was a great teammate) and you have a leadership void. Sanchez is not the leader he can be he must prove himself on the field before you can be a leader in the lockerroom. Had there been leadership on the team Holmes would be in check every game.
I have said it before and I will say it again.
THE SAME THINGS HOLMES IS BEING CRITIZIZED FOR SAYING ARE THE SAME SAME THING THAT FANS WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT AS WELL!!! O-line, 5-15 yard dump plays, crappy play calling in general, we all said the same thing holmes said…or HOLMES SAID THE SAME THING WE DID.
He is a diva, no doubt but if a diva is happy your team is winning. and that is whats important. if a diva is not happy its probably likely that the TEAM is jacked up in some way or anoter. You do not get rid of Talent over chemistry…. all this huggy feelly crap is for females its talent that wins games its talent that counts. Let men play.
***Wayne Hunter is a great locker room guy never makes us look bad infront of the media and always will do what the coaches say: lets give him a new contract with a 7 mil raise and a 5 year deal…oh and throw in a 2mil signing bonus too……thats about as stupid as letting Holmes walk!!!!!
Is Holmes a real #1 WR…that is legit conversation that can go either way. With a 1/2 way good #1 WR is Holmes the best #2 reciever in the NFL? yes he is… (ok top 5 but still) he can make defenses pay for not covering him, you dont let go of a talent like that walk off the team.
or maybe you trade for for 2nd round pick to a team like the Raiders
and get a better WR with less issues who’s younger.
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If you don't get rid of talent over chemistry, why did the Eagles and Cowboys improve the season after TO helped them implode? And TO was a MUCH better player than Holmes is.
Chemistry is not “huggy feely crap” for females, it’s a workplace environment that leads to cohesiveness that’s essential for team sports. Maybe you can contain a bad egg like Holmes with strong leadership but once the locker room becomes toxic, it becomes essential to start eliminating the cancers.
by J-Nasty on Jan 26, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How is it cancer
If its true? I think it was week 3 or 4 when he as a part of a group went to the coach about the playcalling…tried to do the right thing…‘rex this offensive playcalling sucks’ tried to do it the right way…and nothing gets done. So now Holmes is a bad guy cause after trying to correct a bad situation the RIGHT way nothing gets done, so he fights with what he can HIS VOICE.
just a crazy thought but….IF the Jets did not get the media attention that we do and were a small market team like say…the JAGS… would SHOTTY still be here?
I can not say this enough…Holmes did not have one gripe that we as fans did not have. He did not say anything that we were not saying. Only difference is we as fans have been saying it for 2-3 years. I say Holmes is a hero because he speaks for me… I said playcalling sucks..he said that…i said the o line is not performing he said that too.
it becomes essential to start eliminating the cancers
so what were the REAL cancers? Shotty check / hunter check / the front office check…guess what…it may have been bad tasting medicine but that is 2 out of 3 “solved”, why well partially because to cut out the real cancer you had to put a “spot light” on the problem
really it all comes down to this:
Was Holmes a cancer or WAS HE THE RESULT OF A CANCER….????
I tend to think he was the result of a cancer…so cut out the toxic cancer…the real one cuase the result (holmes) will cure himself through proper treatment once the REAL cancer is gone
The cure is a QB that can throw him the ball
Not sure if Sanchez is that cure, so I guess we pray for remission.
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What? Did I miss something?
I don’t ever remember hearing a burb out of Holmes mouth in Year # 1 here as a Jet. All the throws and game winning Tds he caught on our way to our 2nd AFC Championship Game. I believe it was the same QB throwing him the ball the last 2 yrs. I’m tired of hearing this blame Sanchez for the failure of 2011. I believe we were talking about the good of the TEAM and not one Individual.
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by Canadian Jet on Jan 27, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
So we should hold Holmes to the standard of a fan?
Who cares if it’s true, that shit stays in house and gets worked out like men. I’m sure Vince Wilfork thinks the Pats secondary sucks but he doesn’t go to the media or above coaches heads to say that the coverage needs to play better. Holmes barely beat out Plax in yardage, maybe the dude should go to a mirror and say “I need to play better”. I mean, Roddy White had no trouble producing with Joey f’ing Harrington as his QB yet Tone can’t break 700 or lead the team in receiving? F*** that noise. Dude is a piece of shit and he’s not a good enough player to make up for it like TO/Moss/Ocho.
by J-Nasty on Jan 26, 2012 5:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its Ironic you bring up T.O.
because he definitely had emotional baggage and was a suspect teammate at the least,
BUT if you look at the things he was trying to point out or the things he had issues with while he was on those teams, I would say he had a legitimate gripe, surely he went about it the wrong way but in my opinion he was right about D. McNabb and T. Romo, look at how they are performing now without a T.O. to blame or for the media to consistently dig up…. but in the end thats a fight he wasnt gonna win, those were established QB’s before he got there.
The teams got a little better feel about themselves when he left but they still didnt go as far as they did with him on the team compared to T.O. being off the team. Crazy now how the QB’s are just now being exposed when he was hinting to those issues they have way back then when he was on the team.
My point any way ,Santonio Holmes may be right in the things he say but they should stay in house unless he wants to get scapegoated and find himself pigeon holed by the media as the only cancer which he wasn’t this year.
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He played pretty well with teammates in 2010
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actually no
If it was not for the cap hit…we would not be able to get a player of greater or equal value talent wise, so it would still make sense for him to stay…
Who cares
He’s a cancer, I don’t care if he has Jerry Rice like talent (okay maybe that’s a bit of a stretch) but I don’t want any WR that doesn’t even LIKE his Quarterback.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 26, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
him liking his QB or not ... is media spotlight
come on man its NYC
"He went back and forth with Mark at the meeting," the source said. "He was saying stuff like, "What am I even here for?"
You want this guy on the team?
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
CONTEXT please.....
HE wants the ball, hes a playmaker…get him the ball…
This
You dont pay a guy like this to be a decoy. Throw him the damn ball. If Mark got Santonio the ball in 11, we easily make the playoffs.
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Oh, sorry, I was operating under the assumption
That being a selfish, me-first, locker room cancer, quitting d***head was inexcusable in any context, and that any respectable team wouldn’t let this bonehead walk through the doors after ALL of the dumb ish he’s pulled.
My mistake.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 26, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
How is it me first?
I will recieve your comment if you can tell me two things Holmes said that we as a fan base did not say…..
two complaints he had and I will recieve your comment.
But before you say ‘hlomes said he didnt get the ball enough….’ we as a fan base were like what the &^&*^ sanchez did not see holmes wide open…
so name two…..
You don't understand why
a player that will throw immature fits and quit on the team if he doesn’t get the amount of touches he’d like is a me-first player? Give 110% or get the hell off the field.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 27, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
I totally agree. Holmes has talent for sure,
but his mouth and lack of chemistry with Sanchez are bigger detriments. WRs are by far the easiest position to acquire workable players for, especially in our new run based offense. You won’t get killed with mediocre WRs and you’ll eventually find someone to step up and make you money in the long run in a bargain player or trade value.
I’d take Kerley starting opposite a resigned Cotchery in a heartbeat if that meant we could upgrade our Safety or RT positions and have line depth. Obviously you want to be dynamic in your passing game but if your scheme and QB don’t play into that you are just using cap space inefficiently.
I'm not bothered in the least by Holmes at the moment.
Stay. However, I still don’t think we are gonna have the kind of offense that will make him happy to the point that these issues go away.
Mark just cannot get him the ball like he wants and THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE.
Every great WR has a little diva in him and most of the time that diva doesn’t see the light of day bc they get their catches.
Keep him this year. Send him on his merry way after that.
The Jets have made enough changes so far for him to buy back in for the season but Sparanos offense can’t keep him happy for long.
if every WR has a diva in him
why does it have to come out.
Look at Ocho. Worst season for a WR possible and yet he’s been a model of good behavior.
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Ocho's ego is crushed. There is no diva left in him.
His dream was to come to the Pats and have one last run at things. He couldn’t even learn the playbook.
His fail was so epic that it leaves nothing in his brain to convince him that it was anything but HIS fault.
Guys like can Holmes can keep their head high while acting like a complete dick because there is too much to point at.
Holmes- "My QB sucks. The OC is garbage, the line won’t block and Rex has lost control. It aint me baby. It’s everybody else.
Ocho- " I came to the Pats thinking i was gonna set the world ablaze. I couldn’t learn the playbook. I play with the greatest coach in the land and the greatest QB. I can’t blame anybody else. This is my fault.
maybe the moral of the story is to only hire divas
when the team is established and the organization is already strong
And never make a diva a captain.
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I still blame schotty.
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I dont, I blame Rex
At least Schotty had the balls to have Holmes pulled. Rex couldnt even ask Schotty why he pulled him. As much as I think Sanchez needs to grow up as a QB, he is nowhere as inept as a QB as Rex can be at times as a HC.
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agreed....
….he’s always been an assistant and always will. his whole family is nothing but load mouthed assistants.
agreed… but if you look at last season… how many games did Holmes win practically on his own. Mark CAN get him the ball. But it always seemed like it was in the 2 minute offense probably when Mark was calling most of the plays. During the entirety of the game Mark stays on script. And that script is written by Schotty and even Shakepeare couldn’t understand the dialogue or the plot.
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Sure your gonna hit him eventually.
But like you said. Look at thoes catches. They were either YAC reception’s or perfectly thrown balls that Marks not known for.
Something out of the ordinary had to happen to get him involved in a big way.
100% wrong
What happened to Holmes from 2010 to 2011? In 2010 he was catching lots of balls and getting his fair share of TDs. Was it because Braylon Edwards & JCO were there to clear the areas out to give him open space? So Derrick Mason and Plex Burris weren’t up to speed in doing the same job for him? So your idea is blame Sanchez? Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Most football anaylsts concurred that Holmes wasn’t helping himself out this by getting no separation from his cover. Again….probably a Sanchez problem. Go figure.
Maybe just maybe admit that Homes wasn’t always a viable target because he was he was running with double coverage around him. And we’re pretty sure we know your views on Sanchez throwing into double coverage.
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by Canadian Jet on Jan 27, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
And the worst thing about Holmes is actually his skill set.
He’s not a deep threat guy. He can’t burn coverage with speed alone so it makes it that much harder to pair him up with a QB to keep him happy. Young QB’s don’t stand a chance with a guy like that. It’s too hard hitting a guy like him on the routes he likes to run when your still new to the league.
It’s the big reason I was in the Edwards camp last year. He was more QB friendly and everyone was over estimating Marks ability to make Holmes a consistant contributer.
Keep him.
Santonio is a good receiver who can make an regular catch into a big play… he has that type of ability. He was not thrown to as much as he should have been… and with shotty gone and hopefully the return of braylon… we will see more tone.
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My perspective is to keep him. I don’t like to just look at the little picture but the whole picture. And when it comes to a guy like Holmes who is still a young talent who we just invested in you can afford to look at the whole picture. It wasn’t just this year that he won some games for us with some late 4th quarter touchdowns it was last year also. Without Holmes we didn’t make the playoffs last year. Holmes is dynamic. He is a playmaker. He is a game changer. The problem is we had an offensive coordinator that didn’t know how to utilize him. There were games (like that last one) where Holmes was barely even targetted. How do you not target your best receiver?
That either shows absolutely no confidence in your quarter back or that you don’t know how to call plays. If I was the best receiver on the team I’d be pretty ticked off too. I was brought in to do a job. The playoffs are on the line. I’ve been dealing with this crap all season.. how long can you shake a bottle of soda before it bursts?
For all we know the rift between Sanchez and Holmes was that Holmes went to Mark and said.. man you gotta talk to Schotty and get me the ball more. You’re his boy… and Mark said.. look man.. I just do what he says. And Holmes was like.. man i thought you had my back!! And boom.. a rift. No trust.
Do I agree with the way he acted? No. He’s suposed to be a leader. Do i understand it… to a degree.. yes. Do I think it can be resolved. I think it can and will. We just need to get a deep threat on the other side of the field to open it up more for Holmes.
I also do not agree with benching Holmes on the last drive of the game. That did nothing but cause a media stir. What was the point? What was the lesson? If you’re gonna bench someone you Kerry Rhodes it… you don’t do it in the most irrellevent time in the season. That’s just begging for media attention and to air out our dirty laundry. I blame 90% of this on Schotty.
Holmes stays.
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And when i say Holmes wanted the ball more I’m not taking the perspective that he’s a diva and just wants more touches. I’m saying he wants the ball more because he was sick of seeing those crappy plays when he knew he coulda made better plays and gain yards and win games when we were losing. Do what he does best. Make Plays.
We all saw that play where Plax was pretty much doing jumping jacks in the end zone alone waiting for the ball and Sanchez blew it…. Imagine how ticked off he was during that play… if I was him i"d have run over to the sidelines to Schotty and Mark saying… wtf is the matter with you?! Should he get benched?
Sometimes it’s not about being a diva.. it’s about watching your team grasp defeat from the jaws of victory too many times.
We look at that and say.. “welcome to the Jets” gotta remember.. Holmes has only been here 2 years… we’ve been here how long? lol
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you never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever give up on your team ever
i can excuse his mouth but not him quitting .
i hope he rides the bench all year and toss his ass out next year .
people have got on nearly every offensive player but although hunter isn’t blessed with the same god given talent as holmes , the guy never quit . for a captain to quit is the worst . money is the only thing keeping him here .
i’d try and make this guy take reps with the 2nd and 3rds all pre season and make him earn the right to even see the bench on sundays . if he starts next year like nothing happened i will be on here next year looking for Rex to step down . Nobody is bigger than the team and if rex allows tone to get away with quitting then its the beginning of the end for this franchise under rex
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Be ready for that then. Personally if it was me I’d be spending this entire off season fixing the problems and next season going into it with a “fresh” start. You don’t start him next season with the “fresh” attitude you drag this season right into next season with you and that’s where your franchise ends.
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He is a .....
F—king Cancer. eat the 3.5 million and try to move him for a 7th round pick or a rusty blocking sled or anything else you can get for him. You can find another receiver for a lot less that can catch 50 balls a year and not be a arrogant little diva bitch like Holmes.
Can you dig it, SUCKERS???????????????
To all those Jet fans who believe Holmes should be cut be aware of this. If the Jets cut Holmes he’s going to end up in New England. Additionally, he’ll post great numbers and they will be in the SB again next year and then you’ll complain even more.
So shut the F up and let Holmes remain on the team and release Sanchez and get a qb that can get him the ball.
How about Matt Flynn???
matt flynn = matt cassel
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Holmes would not at all end up in NE.
A) He’s not their organization’s type of player. He’s a diva and a complainer. Randy Moss was only around for one season not only because his talent was dropping off but because he was the same way.
B) The Pats don’t tend to spend big long term money on WRs, IMO, that stats might not back me up on that but it seems that all of their WRs were gotten on the cheap for one reason or another.
as much as i wanna say "no"
we really have no choice but to say “yes”. lets face it a) capwise it’d make no sense b) the offense has no playmakers other than him so it kinda behooves the team to try getting it worked out with him
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First things first, Great Write Up John B!
As far as Holmes goes, he did some awful things this year but I do think a lot of it was frustration. I tend to look it at it like this, even though he got his money, he still wanted to get the ball because he wanted to win. When this didnt happen, he became frustrated. I hate that it was put out there that he was only concerned with getting stats, I simply dont believe this.
I know I would be pissed if I kept running down the field play after play and my QB was unable to throw me the ball due to being inept. Everybody here obviously hated Schotty and wanted him gone, well the only guy on the team that spoke out for us was Holmes. Even Rex was too blind to see that the gameplans were not working, yet he did and said nothing.
Im not saying I condone any of the bad things Holmes did or said but I do understand it and I think he should be back and if it came down to him or Sanchez, i would take him.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
I agree with your heading…..John B. as per usual did a firstrate job on this story. But I have to say you certainly come across loud and clear as a “Sanchez Hater”. I seriously think you need to look at Holmes full 2 seasons of play here and ask whats the difference in them? I think you’ll find there are a combination of things at work that lead to his frustration and its not soley as you like to put it the “inept play of the QB”. Tone had a lot of success in Year 1 working with Edwards and JCo + Keller. He had some big catches and more importantly some game winning TDs for us. Yes alot of his catches were late in games when Sanchez was running the “NO HUDDLE” and not being restrained by Shotty’s playcalling. This past year only Keller is the familiar face as Derrick Mason and Plax Burris join the group. Did they fail him in not being able to clear out space for him to get open into?….. or was it that defenses keyed on him more and used double coverages more and more on him that prevented getting the ball to him. I think as well he was a victim of Shotty’s playcalling just like Dustin Keller is. it seems under Shottys system you can get your number called frequently for a few games and then its like he lost it and you can go for games without it being called for some reason(ShottyVision). But as far as the QB getting him the ball…well I don’t think Sanchez changed overnight from 2010 to 2011. The playcalling he was given certainly was changed a lot. But in my way of thinking it is the WR’s job to get himself free and open…if he can’t do that then the QB has to check-off and look to his next receiver. If Homes was a Primary Rec. and wasn’t getting that separation done fast enough than that’s on him not the QB.
"It's only through change we learn to grow".
by Canadian Jet on Jan 27, 2012 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
I blame Tanny for this mess
I would say, lets give Holmes one year to straighten out his act. He is talented; do not forget all the clutch plays in 2010. Problem is his contract. If he is still on the roster in either Feb or March, 2012 (I forget the exact date), a huge part of his salary is guaranteed not only for 2012 but 2013. So the Jets are in a pickle here. I wonder if they can have a sit down beforehand to see if he really acknowledges his disruptive behavior. If he is not unequivocally clear that he wants to be part of the team, let him go. We just can’t take a 2 year hit on this.
An alternative is to keep him and ride him so hard if he act out, that he flips out and does something so egregious that he can be suspended without pay. Not the preferred way to run a team though.
Whatever.
The dude gives up on plays. He did it last year. He did it the year before.
PERIOD.
He sucks.
You think Andre Johnson or Reggie Wayne gives up on plays when things aren’t going his way? No, they’ll still give MAXIMUM EFFORT.
You want the ball? GO GET IT. All QB make mistakes all throughout the game. They throw low, they throw high. The are hit as they throw. The throw across their body. You aint gonna get a perfect pass. Make it a perfect pass. Do a leaping one handed catch. Make your QB see that you will fight for the ball and he’ll learn how to get it to you.
Be open for more than just 3 plays.
Be wide open ALL GAME LONG. And not that 2 sec sh!t. Be open enough for ANY type of pass.
Edwards was crap. But he fought the whole game whether he got the ball or not. But when he got the ball, Holy smokes you got hype.
So F U Holmes.
Jake Delhomme sucks and still Smith got his TDs
Barry Sanders played on a stinking Lions teams and never gave up.
Yeah, Holmes can go to the Pats, or who ever else he thinks he will ‘win’ with.
Don’t care. See how much his other teammates will like him giving up on the plays, the QB or the team when things dont go your way. Pats WRs/RB are scrappers. They dont give up.
matt flynn is an unknown
Just cause the guy had one good game you want to trade sanchez for him? Why don’t we bring in Vince Young so we can have more mental patients on the team while we are at it.
I love the fact that everyone wants Matt Flynn also.
He’s a system QB, just like Matt Cassell was, just like Tom Brady is. You put Aaron Rodgers in this offense last year and he’s injured by game 3 and has emotional trama for life. Just because Flynn played good in limited action in a QB centric offense, doesn’t mean he would do anything well here.
So you are basically saying that Rodgers isn't better than Sanchez
Is that really the route you want to go down?
by J-Nasty on Jan 26, 2012 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, he's inferring that our O-Line and system would have gotten him brutalized
And his good play can be attributed at least in part to the offensive scheme.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 27, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
The difference between us and Pitt
Us: Find excuses for Tone’s behavior, cling to him because we think he’s talented and our only playmaker.
Pitt: Toss Tone aside like trash, easily and almost immediately find 2 receivers that are just as good (Brown) or better (Wallace) than Tone, keep a tremendous reputation around the league, win more games than Tone’s new team.
We all know which side is winning.
by J-Nasty on Jan 26, 2012 6:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Trade him to the Jaguars for Eben Britton
1. Jacksonville have the cap space to eat his contract
2. They need a WR to assist Gabbert.
3. Mularkey in Pittsburgh ran an offense that Holmes may be familiar with
4. Bradfield did ok in relief of Britton after he went on IR.
We benefit by getting a starting RT, in the Brooklyn born Britton who immediately upgrades our weakest OL position
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