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The Quinton Coples Question

Quinton Coples is a 6-6, 280 lbs, DE prospect from UNC. In 2010, he played mostly at DT in Carolina's 4-man front, and logged 15.5 TFLs and 10 sacks. In 2011, he logged another 15 TFLs and 7.5 sacks (many more double-teams). If you've ever seen UNC play live, there's no doubt that Coples is a freak. His size and athleticism jumps off the screen.

Apparently, Coples is dominating Senior Bowl practices. "Coples has the size, strength and athleticism to be a force regardless of scheme. Rated as the No. 1 defensive end prospect and 12th overall by NFLDraftScout.com, Coples is the highest-rated Senior Bowl participant. He hasn't disappointed, terrorizing the South team's quarterbacks and running backs by consistently penetrating the line of scrimmage to blow up plays before they've even begun." Apparently, he's giving hell to all the top tackle prospects he faces. "[Coples] is so big and strong that you might think he's going to bull-rush you all the time but he's kind of a hybrid because he can move so well," Florida State offensive tackle Zebrie Sanders said. Considered by most to be the South Team's top pass blocking tackle, Sanders has nonetheless struggled with Coples so far this week. [Coples] has a lot of moves, including spinning back inside," Sanders said. "He's tough to remain square to. It's good for me because I'll be facing guys like him in the NFL and I will improve from the experience but, yeah, he's tough."

The question seems to be whether he's better suited to play DE or DT in the NFL. "The league has changed," [Reggie] McKenzie said as Tuesday's practice ended. "Schemes have morphed so much that there now is so much difference with what a team might be doing based on first down, second down, and third down. Few teams are strictly a four-man or three-man front anymore. Some people believe that the 3-4 defense is more versatile because it gives you more guys who can stand up and move around. That's the thing with the NFL, it is constantly evolving. So, any time you can add a player with the versatility to do that, you can't help but be interested." But why not OLB in a 34?

There's another 6-6, 280 lbs athletically freaky DE free agent prospect thats out there this year. In 2011 his team converted from a 43 front to a 34 front, and his new D-coordinator made a radical decision to try him at the OLB spot. His name is Mario Williams, and he responded with 5 sacks in 5 games before being sidelined for the season with a torn pec. Like Williams, Coples lacks the burst that many pass rushing OLBs seem to have. However, also like Williams, Coples seems to have the size, length, strength and athleticism to be nearly impossible to handle on the edge. My personal philosophy is to grab the best player available when drafting. In my opinion, Coples has the ability to be a dynamic, game-changing force. I think that if the opportunity presents itself, you grab a guy like that and tweak your scheme to suit his strengths. There was a time when Darrelle Revis was highly regarded as a top notch cover corner. Then Rex came, saw what he could do, and changed the scheme to suit his strengths. Now the only question about Revis is how good he his in a historical perspective. Coples is good enough to grab and worry about fitting the scheme to him.

Coples could be used like the Giants use Tuck. He could help set the edge against the run from the the OLB spot on the first two downs, and then put him down at DE on passing downs with Maybin speed rushing off his flank. Maybin would create a lot of space for him to operate and I think he could be a dominating force as a pass rusher.

Also wouldn't mind taking a run a Williams in free agency. A 4-man front on passing downs of Maybin, Coples, Wilkerson and Williams would be SICK. Williams can either stand or do his thing with his hand in the ground. Maybin can stand or use a wide-9 technique. And Coples and Wilkerson in the middle would create carnage. That front four with our corners behind them would be all kinds of tough to handle.

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He's had such a good week.

I think he has cemented himself as a top 7 pick and Jacksonville will likely pick him up before he could fall anywhere.

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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 25, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

If you have access to NFL Network

They are airing the practices for the senior bowl everyday now. I watched yesterday and Coples was in there. He made some great plays and was nuetralized in others.

Mike Mayock who was providing commentary for the practice said that while he is a very good prospect, he doesn’t have the elite first step.

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by Bronco Mike on Jan 25, 2012 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

You can be an elite pass rusher without having an elite first step.

by Crackback on Jan 25, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

See: Mario Williams

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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 25, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Coples is also more of a prospect for 4-3 DE rather than 3-4 OLB. If we finishes out the week strong, he will definitely be top 10.

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by Bronco Mike on Jan 25, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Bronco Mike on Jan 25, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

he would represent great value at 16

i do think he will be taken in the top 10 but i like the fact that you highlight how he could be used on this team .

another guy i’d like your opinion on crack is the top rated 4-3 olb Zach Brown . how do you think we could use him ?
i like his speed and the fact he is good in coverage but i’m not sure he is a good fit for the team .

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by tinley24 on Jan 25, 2012 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

Zach Brown is kind of like a hybrid 3-4/4-3 OLB.

He carried out the duties of a 43 OLB for most of his tenure at UNC but also blitzed quite a bit. He isn’t super agressive but he is one of the better overall athletes in this draft class. I don’t like him at 16, but he could be a fit for a 34 defense.

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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 25, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

his coverage skill are what makes me think we could make him fit

i think he will be taken between late 1st early 2nd round so if we trade down and draft the guy we would get the bonus of another 2nd round pick .
our LB’s are terrible in coverage and its another area the team needs to improve . if the jets think he could rush the QB and drop back to cover TE’s then he could be a good pickup

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by tinley24 on Jan 25, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh...

My favorite is still either Courtney Upshaw or Trent Richardson. If we can’t get them, I like Nick Perry, Melvin Ingram, and maybe Mike Adams. Zach Brown is back there on my list. More of a project in my honest opinion.

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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 25, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen Mike Adams in some drafts fall in the second around us.

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by Noble_Lance on Jan 25, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He's clearly moved into the first round because he's been the best tackle at the Senior Bowl.

In fact, many league executives and scouts are saying that he is a clear top 20 pick.

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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 25, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i agree with you if we are looking for a pure pass rusher those guys fit us better

but brown can give us some rush and with his speed and coverage ability he would improve our LB core just maybe not in the way most people want .
i see him as a Maybin type player who is a better tackler and better in coverage

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by tinley24 on Jan 25, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

3-4 DEs are much like small DTs

So we could probably use the guy inside. But man, I just was a good OLB.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 25, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

All jokes aside, i know guys rather trade down to obtain more picks

I want that dominant pass rusher soooooooooooooo bad. I know every team wants that pass rusher, but every team don’t have the Jets secondary, and that’s why i would go get this guy. The only issue is it usually take a season or more for a D-Lineman to adjust to the NFL.

by BIG OH!!!!! on Jan 25, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i think if we use Smith and hunter we will actually end up picking at 20 lol

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by tinley24 on Jan 25, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, and thats the interesting question.

QC is a great value at 16, our third round pick in theory could get us to 13, our second round pick would do it, once again in theory get you down to the eighth pick. I could do a third round pick but the need for an OLB keeps me from giving up a second. Tanny deals our second round pick again, just reckless

by JetOrange on Jan 25, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's going to waste our number #2 on another Ducasse, id rather he just trades it away

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by YankeesJets on Jan 26, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that is exactly where the second round pick goes

In the second round the jets may Target small school OT’s Matthew McCants or Bobbie Massie

by JetOrange on Jan 26, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Since when is Ole Miss a small school? UAB as well?

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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if he falls,

I think it’s a waste of talent, I would much rather go with a pure OLB. Not worth the risk of an experiment.

by JetKing55 on Jan 25, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

The problem is if you have a guy like this and he has to stand up, he's going to have to cover at least sometimes

And guys like this become exploitable. Same thing happened with Greg Ellis, a 280 pound guy who was a plus pass rusher at 3-4 OLB in 2007 (13 sacks), but you gave up a lot in underneath coverage. Granted, Coples is a better athlete than a 9th year in the league Greg Ellis, but still you should be sure that he can drop (or accept the hole).

by J-Nasty on Jan 25, 2012 5:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I care NOTHING about the ability to drop into coverage. If he EVER dropped into coverage then the whole staff should be fired.

You draft pass rushers to… wait for it… RUSH THE PASSER. I don’t want my pass rusher to be good at dropping into coverage. In fact, I want him to suck at it. Because if he’s doing that then what the eff good is he? Pass rushers pass rush. Utility guys cover.

by Crackback on Jan 25, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Because when you stand a guy up, once in a while he's going to have to do it

Otherwise it defeats almost the entire purpose of standing him up. If we switched into majority 4-man front, Coples is great (if he falls, which I doubt). Even when you have a guy like Ware who’s going forward 80% of the time, that other 20% he needs to be out in space so you can disguise the rush at least a little bit.

by J-Nasty on Jan 26, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Williams or Landry!

Williams and Landry are the only two, in FA, I’d throw a lot of $$ at. I suspect, however, that both with be tagged in some fashion. There are other FA’s worthy of pursuit but not to the extent of these two.

by JetLogic on Jan 25, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

The Idea...

… of either Q. Coples or T. Richardson falling to the 16th pick would be great for the team but is not likely to happen. It would most likely take trading up to get either one. It is much more likely to see C. Upshaw being taken as the best player available and at a place of need(this scenario would be good for the team as well). Just curious however, who would you select if all three of the above were on the board?

by BachsOfRain on Jan 25, 2012 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

I hear Melvin Ingram is tearing it up there.

Dominating his matchup all practice.

Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!

by jets4life24 on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not surprised. Dude is a beast.

by Crackback on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe he lacks an elite 1st step too

But he’s got the strength and speed to dominate.

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and not some f***in slapd**k team!

by jets4life24 on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I like the other UNC guy as a stand up pass rusher

He’s expected to go 4-6 round. I like Couples a lot to replace Mike Davito’s 3 million a year. Seems like he can play right end and provide some pass rush with just 3 or 4 guys. Is he better to draft than a guy like Upshaw or Nick Perry? Because of the age of the linebackers, I think you have to draft for need over best player available because they are only going to get older and slower.

by manuvsteal on Jan 26, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Coples

is a freak in terms of his measurables but he never seemed to dominate when I watched North Carolina play. I wouldnt be upset if we picked him but this guy is a classic boom or bust kind of prospect.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 26, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

This

I live in NC in the heart of ACC country. I’ve seen Carolina play a number of times. I’ve never seen him dominate a game or even make plays where I said, “Wow” who is this kid? I’ve never read one article about what a great player he is or what big plays he makes. I truly don’t understand why so many UNC football players have been so highly regarded the last few years. Few make any mark in the NFL at all, and Carolina hasn’t been that good.

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