An outsider's view on Rex Ryan
Hello folks! I've seen quite a bit of discussion on here about Rex Ryan and the hand he had in the numerous locker room issues. I don't follow the Jets closely enough to be able to comment or judge in a factual way where things went wrong there.
I have also seen a lot of discussion on whether or not Rex's proclivity towards "speaking his mind" in the media has any bearing on whether or not opponents have more incentive or are any more motivated in games versus the Jets. Since I am a fan of another team, I just wanted to offer my viewpoint. There's nothing more in this than my thoughts and observations so take it for what it's worth.
Historically, the Broncos and Jets never really have been big rivals. Going back through history, our two teams have met in the regular season 33 times, with the Broncos holding a very narrow edge with a 17-15-1 record in those games. In the playoffs, our two teams faced off only once, that being the 1999 AFC Championship in which the Broncos came back from a 10-0 deficit to win 23-10. That was an ugly game with both teams missing on crucial scoring opportunities and both teams turning the ball over multiple times.
As a fan born in 1984, my memories to hold onto between these two franchises are Elway's last victory at home (1999 AFC Championship), a lot of nothing before or in-between, Jay Cutler outdueling a hurt Brett Favre in 2007?, a Mark Sanchez pass that resulted in crucial pass interference penalty and subsequent Jets' score and victory, and Tebow's 95-yard drive to win the game this season. So basically in my memory I have four games worth of "rivalry" built into me. So believe me when I tell you, I really don't have anything negative in my mind about the Jets as an organization or bad memories/feelings.
Last year I was excited about the game because I viewed the Jets as a genuine measuring stick. You guys had just come off of two AFC Championship games appearances and have always played the Broncos very tough. We were also coming off of a terrible 4-12 season, a 1-4 start, a QB change and had won 2/3 games. The Jets game for us represented an opportunity to have a 3 game winning streak, which believe me folks, coming off of a 4-12 season feels almost like making the playoffs haha! In the lead up to the game, Rex himself had nothing but complimentary things to say about both the Broncos and our starting QB Tim Tebow. But to be honest, by this time, compliments didn't matter.
As a fan, it seemed like everyweek I could count on hearing something from Rex Ryan. It didn't even matter what he was talking about, he was always talking. I never really encountered a head coach such as this and in one respect, good for him for staying true to his personality. In another respect though, the talking gets stale and old and eventually starts to rub you the wrong way. And if it rubs me, a lowly fan of a non-rival team, the wrong way, you can guarantee that feeling is even more amplified in the hearts of opposing players.
I read Sanchise's latest post about the Giants tweet towards the Jets---not trying to fuck you off Sanchise;) And while I completely agree that it was unnecessary for them to say something like that, I also understand that's what happens when your coach talks the way he does. Again I'm not here to stir the pot or take sides in a seemingly bitter civil football war, but looking back during the season, it was absolutely shocking to see Brandon Jacobs exchange words with Rex Ryan and afterwards call him a "disrespectful bastard". You never see players call out opposing coaches like this, at least not publically, but Jacobs did and I can see why he did.
For those who have commented here that have laid the argument that Ryan's talk doesn't add any more incentive for other teams, or that these are professionals and talk doesn't matter, you are wrong. His words do matter and for the greater part of this last year, Rex Ryan's mouth wrote checks his team was incapable of cashing. You have to remember that for most players, their success is rooted and cultivated from a very strong ego and will that does not like to be disrespected in any way, and certainly not from an opposing head coach.
I don't think Rex Ryan is a bad coach. In fact he's had the most success off all coaches hired in his class. I should know we got stuck with Josh McDaniels. Spags, Morris, every other highly touted hire from that year no longer has a HC job. In three years he's managed to take his team to the playoffs twice with two AFC Championship Game appearances. He's also managed to install and oversee a dominating defense that has for the most part been able to neutralize a great QB like Tom Brady in the most crucial games. I think he will learn and move on from this season as a better, more knowledgeable coach. The key for him going forward is to learn how to motivate his team by means other than shooting his mouth off in public, because that has backfired and whether it should or not, HAS motivated other teams and players.
This is the NFL, it is hard enough to come away with victories on any given Sunday without a big bullseye on your chest.
I hope that Rex is sincere about doing things differently. Thanks for reading GGN, looking forward to more discussions!
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Rex always talks up his team.
Always. you ask Rex if the jets are going to win the superbowl and he’s going to say yes. you ask him if they are better than the giants and he’s going to say yes. He will always talk up his team.
Now if you want to know what happened between him a Jacobs…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/24/brandon-jacobs-to-rex-ryan-its-time-to-shut-up-fat-boy/
And Jacobs is also the guy who started a fight with Mo Wilkerson during a preseason game.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Believe me
I have no illusions about Brandon Jacobs being a ‘stand-up guy’. It was just shocking for a player and coach to have the exchange they had in public and address it to some extent in post game pressers. I used it as an example because it is a very good example that Rex’s talk does set the opposing players off, thug or not.
Thinking back to my own team I remember two examples. One was back in 2008-09 when Josh McDaniels reportedly trash talked the Chargers in the tunnel before the game. The dude is immature and I chalk it up to that. I see Rex doing it to try and build confidence in his team, but that could be done in a different way and privately—-there’s something to be said about the weight of words conveyed in a more intimate setting.
The second example is back in 1977, apparently then Bronco LB Tom Jackson yelled at John Madden after we beat the Raiders in the AFC Championship “Its all over Fat Man!” I am not old enough to know the context of this, but knowing how both people carried themselves over the years, Madden probably did not provoke it and who knows if Tom Jackson really meant that in a “Brandon Jacobs” like way.
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When has Rex trash talked another team?
Please refresh my memory.
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It's a fine line when it comes to Rex
He’s gotten close in reference to the Patriots and Giants. Don’t misunderstand me though, I was trying to remember instances in my team’s history that might of been close to what I’ve seen with Rex.
I can’t think of any specific time when Rex has trashed talked another player specifically.
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Hmm ok lol
At the very beginning of my post, I stated “There’s nothing more in this than my thoughts and observations so take it for what it’s worth.” So if you don’t find my views or observations worth anything, no big deal, don’t read or comment on them.
My overall point is that as a Bronco fan, there’s no rivalry against the Jets or reason for me to place any more importance on a game against the Jets, yet this season it felt like more than just another game between two non-rival teams.
One of the likely reasons for this I explained was that the way Rex Ryan talks and hypes up his team. I reasoned that even if he uses this as a motivational ploy to inspire his players, he could do so privately where his words would have more meaning than just another “Rex Ryan proclomation”. Furthermore, his talk has seemed to motivate players of other teams that want to shut him up, which in turn leads to a tougher weekly battle for his team.
So there you go that’s the jist of it.
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And like i said you apparently dont hear all the praise he has for ever team he plays. You just hear the negatives. He went to 2 Afc championship games his first two years as a head coach, doing the same thing he did this year. So why should he stop what hes doing. He hasnt made it to the big dance, but 2 out of 3 pretty successful seasons and one season at 8-8 isnt to bad for all the talking this guy is doing
Actually I did
Even in my post I acknowledged that : “In the lead up to the game, Rex himself had nothing but complimentary things to say about both the Broncos and our starting QB Tim Tebow. But to be honest, by this time, compliments didn’t matter.”
My point with that last bit was that if you make your team out to be “world-beaters” or the “next big thing” constantly, people take notice and want to prove you wrong and even grow to resent it. Again my position is that this motivation can be accomplished privately and would have more meaning and provide less ammo for other teams.
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This
As Coach Parcells once said if you stick around this game long enough it will humble you. Rex coming in Brash making predictions is fine, I get it the, Jet’s were a sleepy NFL franchise and they needed and Rex was a breath of fresh air. But if you keep making empty predictions it will come back to bite you, it’s time for Rex to move on from the brashness, and predictions and just worry about making his team better. Jet’s miss the playoffs again and people will start talking about his job.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
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I agree with this post
Players all over the league have said they get extra motivated for the Jets. Even the guys on the Jets admit to this and hearing it all day long on the field. Seems like more and more players are admitting they don’t care for Rex being so brash before the games.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
They way I look at it is that
Anyone someone talks a big game, people are going to want to shut them up plain and simple. Even if he just says “We’re going to win the SB”, it still adds a bit of incentive for opposing players and teams to prove them wrong. It goes back to my description of ego. Many pro athletes have very big egos—-they’ve had to in order to play with confidence in themselves to perform at a sustained high level.
The will to win should always be there, but instead of this just being Team ____ with Coach X they are facing, and a victory means one step closer to Goal A, the focus of the challenge becomes more personal. When things become more personal, there is extra motivation.
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Do you have a link for that, I’d like to see when that was voted on?
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That isn't any new news
Tom Coughlin runs a tight ship and some players don’t like or agree with it.
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Did you notice that the two Coaches who are in the Super Bowl are top 3 of that list
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Do you see what i put in the subject
Yeah and your probably one of the clowns who were calling for coughlins head when they were on the brink of another epic collaspe.
MDGeekyGrl said it Best
The mere fact that you are posting
on a Jets blog while your team is getting ready for the SuperBowl proves how little interest you have in your own beloved Giants. Face it even with your upcoming SuperBowl appearance, your team is an afterthought.
Give it a rest dawg
I post all over the SB nation blog, So if it helps you feel better about yourself by thinking our Super Bowl appearce means nothing good for you.
Seriously you guys really need to let go to the insecurity, really makes you look small.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
The giants super bowl not meaning anything is the last thing that will make me feel good about myself.
your right im insecure because the team i root for isnt in the super bowl. you win, maybe if you got off all these blogs you wouldnt be late for dinner bub
Good observation
It also shows that there are many different personalities of players and some apparent “contridictions” due to this. Belichick is listed as the both the third coach players don’t want to play for, and also the third coach players would like to play for.
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True but as you can see Rex was the number 1 along with tomlin and he was one who got the fewest votes against him
This being true
Do you think that going forward Rex Ryan has the ability to use that to squash whatever issues remain in the Jets lockerroom?
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The results speak for themselves
It says the poll was taken midseason, I wonder in light of everything that transpired and the rumblings that came from players about the atmosphere inside the locker room if players still feel that way.
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Ok you have a guy like Tomlinson, who goes on inside the nfl and speaks about what happen, He also said he loves rex and loves playing for him. A locker battle between QB and WR is not gonna make guys not want to play for rex. Its not like this is the first time in the NFL where a locker room as had some turmoil in it.
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I think that anyone who thinks Rex’s comments don’t matter to opposing players and teams is flat out wrong and naive.
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Another viewpoint I'm considering is that no matter what, there's always going to be something for people to grab a hold of...
I witnessed it all year with Tim Tebow. The kid took a beating from every angle on and off the field. He doesn’t say anything the least bit controversial, at least in regards to his opponents. But people take offense to his praying and thanking God, other players and veterans take offense to the attention he gets. But the one constant through all of his words and actions are the graciousness and thanks that he gives to his coaches, teammates, and even respect that he shows his opponents.
I’m not here to turn it into a Tebow discussion, but it does shed light on the possibility that whoever you are, whatever you say, however you carry yourself, someone will always find something to dislike.
If Rex Ryan has a brash, outgoing personality, I don’t think he should try and change who he is. But I think he can be more effective by not letting other people use that as motivation against him or his team, and they only way he does that is by not providing them any ammo.
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I just don't get the thanking god after a game.
Only because I want to hear someone say “God made me fumble.” Its silly, its one to to pray before/after a game, that I’m fine with but keep your religion out of speeches, and such because every other person on that field and in the stands has some religion in them[well the vast majority] Pretending for a moment that all of them believe in the same religion, you get half that think their prayers were answered and the others thinking that God didn’t answer their prayers. And as for Tebow all I say is Matthew 6:1.
Oh and would Tebow get all the attention if he prayed to Budha or Allah?
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This is why I love Stevie Johnson despite the fact that he’s a Buffalo Bill. Remember last year when he dropped the potential game winning TD against the Steelers and blamed God on twitter? Good times.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Stevie Johnson is a complete tool and proves it on a consistent basis
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He’d be widely hated by middle America. Let’s be honest, people don’t like Tebow because he’s the face of diversity.
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When I think of diversity, I too think of white, Christian males.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
i think bro meant divisiveness.
But that is funny
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lol yeah i thought so too but i couldn't resist
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I meant exactly what I said
People don’t like Tebow because he’s the face of diversity. Meaning he is not the face of diversity at all. In trying to poke fun, ALLDAY expanded on what I was trying to say. Instead of being so corrective-minded, read into it a little more.
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lol
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blame ESPN
the anit-ESPN fan base is why Tebow is disliked.
He’s a lousy QB. ESPN put him on a pedestal as if he was the 2nd coming of Joe Montana. He was shoved down our throats for 2 months. Even the game winning OT catch vs the Steelers. It was a good pass. If it was any other QB the WR would have gotten most of the praise. ESPN and the rest of the media covered it as if Tebow threw the pass, caught the pass and threw a block all on the same play.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
It's kind of funny
That Tebow never says “we should all thank god for that win”. He always says “first i want to thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ”. Why? Because that’s what he believes. How does that effect anyone else? Why is it such an issue? Perhaps it’s just what you don’t want to hear, which is fine, that’s your perogative.
And i agree with what Bro said.. Tebow has become a figurehead of love and hatred. Not because you don’t like the Broncos, but because he doesn’t live his life the way that everyone wants him to. Some love that he’s so religious, and other’s hate him for it.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I don't want to railroad Mikes discussion
but I think there are three kinds of Tebow fans. 1.Genuine Broncos fans 2.People that, whether they love or hate Tebow, define themselves along political and religious lines and 3. Young people and people who like internet memes.
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I would add a 4th
People who love the underdog and enjoy seeing the so called “experts” eat their words.
And people will always look for a way to attack others when they look for it.
To bring this full circle to Mike’s post… If Rex didn’t say anything this year because he didn’t reach the superbowl the last 2 years, people would say that Rex needs to speak up more and bring that fire back to the team.
If Tebow never talked about anything other than football, people would call him a fraud.
People are who they are, and you should let them be who they are. Rex is a brash, cocky, confident person who isn’t afraid to say what he feels. Tebow is a guy who puts god before anything else in his life. The guy actually went to Vegas with the Porn convention in town, and didn’t gamble, drink, or bang randoms. Why? Because that’s just who he is.
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by jetsbill on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This, and I would also add a fifth category, which is one I am slowly starting to fall into. The “He seems genuine and I like it when genuine people succeed at their dreams” camp. The analyst in me still does not believe he can be a long-term NFL starter, but I hope I’m wrong.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Jan 25, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with both of you
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Here's where I stand
And I don’t normally do this because I’m here to talk football not religion, and I’m not here to try and prove anything to anyone spiritually or belittle someone else’s beliefs.
I am a Christian and subsequently am probably biased when it comes to liking Tim Tebow as a person.
When it comes to football, let’s talk football. The kid has a lot of improvement to make in the offseason and going forward if he’s going to remain the starter for the Denver Broncos. For me, in the end, if he can’t improve with his footwork, progressions, and accuracy, he shouldn’t remain our starting QB. This is a results driven league, and part of the reason why I jumped on board and supported him this season, is he did spark a turnaround for a team that had been 5-18 over the last 23 games.
So take it for what it’s worth, but I want Tebow to succeed because if he does, it means my team is winning, nothing more or less than that.
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You nailed it Bill
People absolutely don’t like for sports and religion to be mixed.
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well it is funny that after Ravens/NE game nobody in media saying a single word about Lewis
go watch His after game comments with reporters,watch His after game locker-room comments while all team-mates Holding hands..what Lewis was saying is no differenrt then what Tewbow was saying..YET media makes it a big to-do..Yet when R.Lewis does it nothing mentioned!!!
then same Media making a big too-do about Bledsow and Kraft kissing in Cheeks..that is a Jewish Traditions.BUT media again making it a big too-do!!!!!
I see nothing at all wrong with a person saying/expressing there religious views…everyone Has a “GOD” only difference is some have a different Name.BUT they still have there faith,and have a RIGHT to say and express it in the open!!!!..people today tend to Judge another person more over who/what ones religious beliefs are then for who the Person is!!!!
When he was Mic'd up for sound for the Bears game
Tebow was praying at the end of the game and said something like “win or lose Lord give me the strength to honor you” So for Tebow I don’t think it has anything to do with “God made me fumble, or God makes me win games, or God loves my football team more than another football team” etc etc.
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Here is Where We Disagree
No one has a personality set in stone. There’s nothing wrong with being outgoing, but brash is a different matter. Brash is akin to being rude and arrogant and a jerk. It’s immature and classless. It’s not funny. It’s the act/talk of a coward who is insecure.Why shouldn’t he change?
Rex needs to grow up, learn his craft as a HC, trust in his abilities as a great Defensive mind, discipline his players, teach them how to win and play smart, and let his players do their talking on the field. Show some dignity. You’re the face of the organization/franchise. The franchise has been a joke for most of its 50+ year history. It’s about time the franchise grew up and matured into a real, professional team. I guess we’re stuck sharing a stadium with the Giants, but the GM, HC and other leaders of the franchise need to do their jobs professionally, and act like mature, intelligent grownups whether they are or not.
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by joeklecko on Jan 25, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this, but do you think that, for his first season at least, it was a necessary evil?
I think Rex Ryan stepped to the table like a rock-star and invigorated a fan-base that was feeling pretty low (at least I was) entering the season, with a rookie QB, rookie HC. I remember before the first game in ‘09 against Houston. I was watching with my cousin who is a Giants fan, he was telling me, "don’t get your hopes too high Jets fan"…Blah, blah, blah. Anyway the Jets come out like possessed demons on defense and put a beat down on Schaub all game. Anyway, I was really happy that year that Rex talked all that spit, but he should’ve pumped his brakes after that first season IMO.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 25, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
NO
Rex could have talked that way in the privacy of the Jets locker room and gotten the same results. He didn’t have to say all that crap to the media. That didn’t help the Jets play better, it just made their jobs tougher and made others hate the Jets more.
I think for most of us, the results in the win-loss column and how they actually played on the field is much more important than the bluster of the HC. Talk is cheap. It’s actions/results that matter.
If it helped the team his first year, why would he have stopped his second? That doesn’t make sense to me. I actually think he “thinks” it helps the team by doing that, when in reality, I think it just gives him a little more confidence and assurance. I think he’s a very insecure man due to his lack of knowledge of offensive football, his lack of experience as a HC, the lack of speed and talent at some key positions on the team, his wife’s proclivities, his weight, his rejection by the Ravens and other teams, and possibly for other reasons. His talk is just spitting into the wind.
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Espn says poop. poop. Rex. poop. Tebow. Poop. Favre. poop. Peyton to Jets. poop. rex said... poop. poop. poop. poop.
Then I suppose they are the "worldwide leader in poop" lol
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Ryan's praise gets downplayed
Although it can be argued that Rex Ryan should get out of the prediction business (i.e. we’re going to win the super bowl, we’re going to beat this team, etc), I think one of the things that drives me crazy is that you don’t hear as much from the media about how much he praises the opposing teams.
Take Brandon Jacobs and the Giants for example. Brandon Jacobs may have found it disrespectful that Ryan called the Jets the best team in New York (this year obviously they weren’t, but the last two years they were). But where were the headlines about Ryan praising Eli as elite? Or praising Tom Couglin, the defense the Giants have, etc?
Put it this way: Rex Ryan and the Jets organization have shown a lot more respect for the Giants organization then the other way around (see the Giants and Pat Hanlon tweets).
I was just going to post this, I agree with you 100%
Buddy if you pay attention to Rexs press conferences and not just the clip you see on the NFL network, youll see he has never bad mouthed another player coach or team, He has nothing but praise for the team hes playing. So what if he says he thinks he the better team, Doesnt everyone think that, he just says it.
Jake Dawson the Buddy part is not towards you, it was towards broncomike
And you are so right about the Giants being disrespectful but no one hears about that.
he doesn't have the b@lls....
….to bad mouth other players and coaches. though he sure can rip fans from behind a security line. like a barking poodle in a locked car.
Jets sure showed a lot of respect by covering the Giants Super Bowl Mural's outside the Giant lockeroom
The Jet’s have been going around claiming they own NYC becuase they went to to AFC championship games, other than the Jet’s ownership having a huge inferiority complex playing in Giants stadium, the two teams didn’t have much of a dislike for the other. After Rex and Woody started acting liked kids things started going south between the two organizations.
You can’ run around screaming about how good you are when you have not won a thing, this is NYC not Cleveland almost just doen’t get it done around here.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Let's keep it real
The Jets have owned NY for the last 2 seasons before this one. And even now the Jets are a more interesting team than the Giants. People make too big of a deal out of the covering of murals…Why would the Jets display the opposing teams murals for a home game?
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Like I said this is NY
Nobody cares about a team that almost did it so no you have not ruled the city. You think the last two years are the only time the Jet’s had a more succesful season than the Giants? Giants went to the Super Bowl in 2000 nobody brings that team up, why because they lost.
As for the SB murals that sit outside each teams home lockeroom, the Giants don’t bother to cover up the Jet’s Super Bowl Mural, that was a pretty petty move by Jet’s management the Murals are on the wall outside the Giants lockeroom, not in the middle of the stadium. The Jets will get respect when they earn it… AKA win the Super Bowl, do that and no Giant fan can say anything period, untill they do it shut up becuase no sports team in NY get’s credit for getting close that just the way it is around here.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
And nobody cares about a team that didn't do *anything*
Which is why NY has been a Jets town the past two years. The Giants are much better this year, and as such, it is currently their town. Who “owns” NY is determined by who is more successful during the season.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
The mere fact that you are posting
on a Jets blog while your team is getting ready for the SuperBowl proves how little interest you have in your own beloved Giants. Face it even with your upcoming SuperBowl appearance, your team is an afterthought.
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No the mere fact that I have two weeks untill watching the Giants play in the Super Bowl
Means I have a ton of idle time to roam all over and post, just here for good debate not to trash anybody. I’m not here to debate with you who owns NYC, because this is a Giants town always has been always will be, that’s just a fact. I am just pointing out how flawed your argument is. No sports team that plays in NY is the toast of the town unless they win it all.
Yes for the last two years you have had a better season than the Giants, but so what you made the AFC Championship game in the 90’s I don’t recall Jet’s fans claiming they own the city based on making it to the AFC championship round back than. In fact I don’t recall any team that plays in New York claiming ownership of the town without actually winning something. If we loose this Super Bowl, no Giant fan is going to be running around claiming ownership of the city becasue we lost in the Super Bowl, sorry you guys really need to get rid of the loser mentality. Jet’s win a Super Bowl, they are the kings, if they don’t shut up.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
That would be nice if it were true, but it's not
Because NY is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately kind of place, and if you don’t believe me, you can just look at the fact that nobody gave a damn about the Giants the last two years, Coughlin was almost run out of town because of his mediocrity, and nobody cares about the Islanders despite they’ve been far more successful than the Rangers recently in terms of Championships. The team that “owns” the town is the one that is winning, because that is the one that receives th e media hype, coverage and bias. New York doesn’t give a shit what you’ve won in the past.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you but let me take it a step further
You must win in NY for the town to take notice. the Jet’s have won nothing in the last two years, not even and AFC East Division crown. If your saying the Jet’s have had a more succesful season than the Giants the last two years your right no argument there. What I have been saying is that you can’t claim own NEW YORK CITY if you have not won anything, while getting to the AFC Championship game is good, losing it means your season was a good but not good enough, as long as I have lived here NY does not celibrate teams that almost get it done. The Jet’s will own the town when they win a Super Bowl. You bring up the Islanders as an example of what have you done lately but yet you don’t acknowledge that the Jet’s have not done anything since 1969, maybe in Cleveland and AFC Championship loss would be reason to be joyous but in NY losing in the Championship round is still loss
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t have to win to be noticed in NY, the Jets are getting an absurd amount of press for an eliminated, mediocre team, even more press than the Giants before they made the Super Bowl. In 3 years Ryan made the Jets a story that everybody is going to read. Again, I believe that whoever is more successful at a given time is the team that “owns” the city. If you would like to continue using my Islanders/Rangers analogy, you would only serve my point further. Since the Islanders beginning in 1972, they have been a far more successful team, with the Rangers winning for the first time in 54 years in ‘94, but the Islanders winning 4 in a much shorter timespan, but fast forward to the current day, and the Islanders are in danger of moving, and nobody really cares because they suck and don’t win, and the Rangers are relevant because they’re winning games. If you think that this state didn’t bleed green & white the past two years, you’re kidding yourself and I’ll leave you this photo to remind you of the truth. 
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
So if the Jets own NY
Why can’t they sell all there season tickets?
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
The same reason the Giants lied and tried to cover up the fact that they couldn't, either.
Ticket prices are too damn high and the number on our paychecks is too damn low! It’s easier to buy a sweet TV set and watch the games on a ballin’ system then it is to pay out the wazoo to stand in the elements to watch.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
yup
Ticket prices are too damn high

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Giants sold all there tickets buddy
you have to go to the secondary market to get them, Where as the Jets advertise on there Web site on the radio on TV for people to buy the tickets. If you want to delisusion yourself that one of the most snake bitten franchise in the NFL is suddenly king of New York after two season of winning zero keep dreaming buddy.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 26, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Lol yeah
They only took the PSL seats they couldn’t sell and made them single game tickets and hawked them to you guys before the lockout, and said that they had sold all their non-premium PSL’s, but still had plenty left, probably because their ego’s couldn’t take that they had the same problem selling their crap that the Jets did.
So yeah, deny the fact that depsite 2 more Super Bowl wins, 5 more Championship game wins, and countless more playoff experiences, the Giants are still only as popular as the Jets, if not less popular all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 26, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
The jets owned the giants
when a few giants came out this year and said they want to play for rex and i believe they said they wish coughlin was more like rex.
I somehow doubt your going to have a lot of players wanting to play for Rex now
since this is Coughlin’s second SB appearence maybe Rex should be more like him, that lockeroom is toxic you guys got.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
if nobody cares about this team
then why are you even here?
Don't worry guys,
Your lockeroom is a hot mess, you have no QB and the D stinks, The Jet’s are headed back to being the Dog with fleas franchise they have always been. Hope you enjoyed your 15 mins.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 26, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Your Last Paragraph
is spot on. Unfortunately, the Giants have been run as a respected professional sports team. The Jets, for most of their sorry history, have been run as a second rate or maybe even third-rate joke and didn’t deserve respect. Leon Hess was a buffoon when it came to the Jets. He never had a football man until Parcells to run the organization, and then he made a deal with the devil (Parcells) to try to bring respect to the franchise. It was too little too late. The Jets are the only professional team to NEVER have their own home stadium. Never having a football man to run the team and the succession of idiotic GM and HC hires doesn’t inspire or deserve respect.
The Jets will start getting respect when they earn it through the football acumen of their owner, FO and CS. They will get respect when they earn it on the field by playing smart, disciplined, tough, and hard-nosed football, making teams dread to play them. They will get respect when their locker room isn’t a disaster. They will get respect when their tough-talking HC doesn’t act like a pussy with his players. They will get respect when their HC acts with dignity, maturity and class, and not like some lowlife cretin.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tyler
I agree with all of this
Except
They will get respect when their HC acts with dignity, maturity and class, and not like some lowlife cretin.
Rex is far from a lowlife cretin, he’s just a human being, except he is not censoring himself in any way, shape or form. I can think of only twice I thought his actions were unreasonably foolish, and that was getting into it with Channing Crowder, and only because Crowder isn’t, never was and never will be worth it and putting those videos on YouTube was foolish as hell too, but beyond that he can have sex with all the feet he wants, I think it’s actually quite refreshing that he has a family he loves to death.
The only thing you can nail him on is class, and let’s face it, we’ll never be seen as a classy team and to hell with it anyway, because two of the “classiest teams” are playing each other in the Super Bowl right now, and they’re not really that classy at all. Rex Ryan is not classy, and that is because he is bold. And to be honest with you, I rather have the boldness than pretend to be paragons of virtue. And besides, like someone previously mentioned, Rex goes out of his way to compliment and respect his opponents. He should can the guarantees but the reason the Jets went 8-8 is because they were mediocre, not because Rex Ryan has a penchant for talking his team up.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Rex does compliment the Giants in pressers, but he also talked a lot of trash in his book.
An entire chapter if i’m not mistaken. I don’t think Rex is a complete lowlife buffon, but sometimes he acts like one. If he had kept his mouth shut after his first season of success, this season of failure wouldn’t garner as much scrutiny and he would be more respected, universally I believe.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 25, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely. People were waiting with bated breath to see the Jets fall.
And yeah he dedicates an entire chapter to New York sports, and he states
I know it’s going to piss off every Giants fan to hear this, but here you go: I really don’t care. We came to New York City to be the best team in the NFL, not just the best team in New York City. And I have news for you: We are the better team. We’re the big brother. People might say they are the big, bad Giants, but we are not the same old Jets.
There’s a little bit more juicy bits in there too, but he uses the chapter to explain that he doesn’t see us as a little brother, just a younger brother, that we’ll be better for as long as he’s here, and the Yankees are the greatest franchise in sports history and every year they expect to win the World Series, and that’s the type of culture he’s trying to build here. And to be honest, at the time of publication he was dead right on every count, except maybe the 10 years thing. We were better than the Giants, and they are better this year. The only real reason I even care about Rex and the Giants petty squabbles because it makes Giants fans more obnoxious, though I can totally see why Rex irks them, lol.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I Didn't Say He IS
a “lowlife cretin” but rather that he acts like one sometimes. Big difference. Yes, we’re all human and all have flaws. The thing is that in order to succeed at what we do and as mature adults, we have to learn to recognize those flaws, seek to control them, and discipline ourselves to not shoot ourselves in the foot.
It’s not about “pretending to be a paragon of virtue”. One can be confident and talk to the team with all the cockiness in the world, but when talking to the media, one has to be more circumspect and controlled. One has to think about what one is doing and saying when one is a leader. One cannot just go around shooting from the hip and being a loose cannon. That’s probably what prevented Rex from getting a HC gig before and he still hasn’t learned his lesson how that is detrimental to the team and/or himself.
In spite of my distaste for his act at times and his mouth, I want Rex to succeed. I love his defensive acumen. I just fear that he is a “chip off the old block” and too much like his dad, who couldn’t or wouldn’t learn, change and grow. If Rex doesn’t learn and grow, he won’t ever succeed with the Jets and won’t be their HC for a whole lot longer.
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True, but my point still stands.
I don’t think he even acts like a lowlife. A lowlife beats his wife, or drinks and drives, or generally takes away from other people or society at large. He’s just excessively confident and competitive, sometimes to a flaw.
I still don’t buy that the talk gives the other team some sort of edge on the field. Teams get 16 games to prove they’ve earned a playoff shot, every single one of those count. Players should be firing on all cylinders either way. I could see the danger of aggravating an eliminated team, but Rex doesn’t do that. He only prods the good teams. Look at the week before we played the Pats in the playoffs last year, we might as well have just pissed in their mouths, we showed them so much disrespect. They had EVERY reason to come out and punch us in the face, but they couldn’t. Motivation doesn’t mean all too much if you can’t execute on the field. Victor Cruz didn’t go down the field 99 yards on us because he was a butthurt little baby because Rex thinks they’re the little brother, it’s because we didn’t execute and he made plays.
If Rex came to the podium and said “all those talentless Patriot losers can tickle my wiener for all care” before we played them, it wouldn’t make a lick of difference in the long run, because as those who detest Rex’s mouth will be happy to tell you, talk is cheap.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I find it funny how people only focus on the negative behavior
Some of you guys forget Rex made the Jets relevant again and other teams do respect the Jets. There are some changes Rex needs to make with his coaching style and I think he will make those changes as he goes forward in his coaching career.
You also need to realize ESPN only likes to focus and accentuate the more controversial things Rex does and says, they never like to focus on the way he stands behind his players or the fact that he does compliment Belichick as being the best HC in football. I have never heard Rex put another team down, he just likes to put his team up on a pedestal…kinda like a proud parent.
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rex says what he feels,platers get motivated to play the game no matter what is said from another teams coach.just look after every play both teams are usually talking trash .the fact that a player will get more motivated because of rexs mouth is pure crap,if thats how he gets motivated he shouldnt be playing.if he wants to shut up on his own then ok,but dont let the hypoctical media decide.
I'm asking this because I don't have a good enough pulse on everthing that's happened
Do Jets fans believe there’s a correlation between Rex Ryan’s public talking and the way that some players have come forward to air ‘dirty laundry’?
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Absolutely
Again, from “Play Like You Mean It”:
The next thing we changed was the media policy. With Mangini, the policy was basically that he talked and maybe Brett Favre, the quarterback at the time, talked. Other than that, everybody was supposed to stay shut. The orders seemed to be, simply: Don’t say anything. When Woody Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum were interviewing me, they asked, “What’s the policy going to be with the media?” I thought, “What do you mean, ‘what is the policy?’ There is no policy.” Everyone can talk, the players, the coaches, everybody. I don’t want people to be scared to say something. I just have one rule: When guys talk, it’s their job to mention at least two teammates and one coach everytime they answer questions.
The way I see it, the airing of laundry is a concequence of a good policy. It’s a subjective opinion though, some like it, some don’t.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 25, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well going on 250 votes
And by about a 3-1 margin so far, folks would like to see Rex hedge his words a bit.
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well
i think he should a little bit, but i don’t want him to stop being rex. if a guy asks him if you are going to win it all, he’s going to answer “yes”. anything else i’d get worried. he’s done it for 3 years now, he can’t stop. i would like him to stop trying to make a giants rivalry, it’s unneccesary.
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Why Would He Stop Being Rex?
If he stopped talking so much to the media? We aren’t defined by one personality trait or characteristic. Hopefully, we all learn and continue to evolve and grow throughout our lives. I’m sure that you, like most of us have said or done something in our lives that perhaps was dumb or a big mistake. Would you want people characterizing you off that one incident and saying that’s part of who you are and you shouldn’t change?
I’m sorry, but that is flawed logic in my estimation. He can and should stop with the over confidence act, if not for the team’s sake, then his own. If he doesn’t and winds up getting fired in a year or two, he may never get another chance to be a HC in the NFL, unless he changes his act.
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Rex is still kind of new to being a Head Coach
being an assistant is completely different, he has to continue to be hands on, and coach more and talk less, can’t believe in the 45-3 blowout at NE, that he said after the game Rex thought they had a good game plan, and he has to more involved in the defense too
No win situation...
After reading through most of the posts there is a lot I agree with and obviously some I disagree with. I didn’t vote in the poll because I don’t think it conveys what I would want Rex to do. If by be “cautious” with his words people mean not to offend our opponent by expressing confidence in our team I say screw that. I honestly believe and have experienced one particular phenomenon with numerous people (both people with other languages and english as their first language)…people will make an entire story out of bits and pieces of what a person says. It’s kind of like if I were to say “I don’t like driving 55mph”…people can and will easily interpret that as I like to speed, some will turn it into me being a danger on the road and lacking care or courtesy for other drivers when in fact it can mean I prefer to drive a little below that (it’s not necessarily the case but people will turn into something else although I didn’t say anything else). With Rex the same thing happens and a lot of times he does say the other part…people just react to the part they don’t like and don’t put the whole thing together. When he said he didn’t come to kiss Belichek’s rings people somehow interpreted that as disrespect when in fact all it means is he came to compete and not concede victories because the guy he is matched up against has multiple championships. With all of that said I do see the similarity between Rex and Tebow…In my opinion the dislike of both of them has more to do with the attention they are getting. I don’t know anybody outside of New England fans that like the Pats while I do know people that are not necessarily fans of other less prominent teams that like other teams (not fans but wouldn’t mind seeing another team succeed). It just seems that win or lose if a team/player is not always on tv being shoved down peoples throats then people don’t harbor that animosity towards them. Either way Rex is possibly my favorite coach at this time and hopefully he learns from the things that went wrong this season and not only improves the team but himself.
Lol what if Rex Ryan just turned around and punched him in the face?
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
who, what?
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by Bronco Mike on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Jacobs.
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