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The Inbred World of NFL Coaches and Our New Old Offense

It has been a somewhat long and grueling six years watching Brian Schottenheimer run the Jets offense. Sure there were a lot of bright spots but more often there was just this confusion that kept creeping into the offense that no one could really put their finger on. We all saw it – was it bad play-calling, bad design, bad quarterbacks, a genetic predisposition to run the "Marty Ball" offense? Anyhow, I was happy when the Jets ended the Schotty era. And I was hopeful that the Bill Callahan era would begin. Then I was ultimately shocked that the team hired Tony Sparano as the next offensive coordinator. But now I am beginning to see the wisdom of the move. I lay out my case for this opinion after the jump.





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There are basically three major offensive systems run in the NFL. They are Bill Walsh’s west coast offense, the Ron Erhardt-Ray Perkins offense and the Don Coryell-styled offenses. Schottenheimer was brought here by Eric Mangini to install a Coryell-styled offense like Cam Cameron ran in San Diego. Unfortunately, it’s a tough system to run and there are fewer and fewer people in the league who understand its nuances anymore (among those left are Norv Turner, his brother Ron Turner, Al Saunders, and Tom Moore). To perk up the rushing offense, Mangini then brought in Callahan to install a west coast zone-blocking run scheme. Ultimately, they created a mutant offense for players to learn and for Schotty to coach. When Rex Ryan arrived, he preached the ground and pound mentality and asked Schotty to run it through his mutant offensive system. When it worked it looked great, but as I said before, there always seemed to be a bit of confusion creeping into the offense. And in retrospect, the confusion was likely caused by a cobbled together mutant offensive system. Ryan it appears tried to save the mutant offense by bringing in Moore as a consultant. Moore after all was a pretty successful practitioner of a Coryell-styled offense all those years in Indianapolis. All in all, it seems Moore had a positive effect but even he couldn't save the mutant that Mangini tried to cobble together.

In moving on from Schotty, Rex cast out the Coryell-styled offense. In letting Callahan walk, Rex passed up the chance to install a true west coast system too. I’ll give Rex some credit here; he saw a west coast offense operated in Baltimore all those years with Brian Billick and Matt Cavanaugh and it might have been easy for him to gravitate to what he had been around before, especially with Cavanaugh and Callahan already on staff. The west coast offense in all its different forms is by far the most popular offensive system around the NFL these days. Finding coaches to work with would have been easy. But perhaps Rex just had a bad taste in his mouth from his days in Baltimore.

Enter Tony Sparano with the Erhardt-Perkins playbook that he received from Bill Parcells while in Dallas. For many reasons, it is clear why Rex and Mike Tannenbaum went in this direction. For Rex, a well run Erhardt-Perkins offense is all about ground and pound, ball control and clock management just like he wanted all along. For Tanny, it’s a chance to dip into the vast Parcells-Belichick-Coughlin pool of coaches and players. Also, for Tanny, it is a chance to get back in the group of people he got his come-uppings with. After six long years of dealing with a mutant hybrid offensive system nobody fully understood, the team is moving forward with a system that is well known, easily understood by players and well coached throughout the league. Many players and coaches already have the basics of the system from their previous experiences around the NFL.

We now have the same playbook Parcells brought with him where ever he went, be it the Giants, New England, the Jets or Dallas. It’s the playbook that Parcells and his OC Erhardt used with the Giants in 1986 and 1990 Superbowls and with his OC Perkins and the Patriots in the Superbowl loss in 1996. It’s the playbook that Erhardt took with him to Bill Cowher’s Steelers in the 90s; they made but lost the Superbowl in 1995. It is the playbook that Bill Belichick and Charlie Weis ran up to New England and won those Superbowls with in 2001, ‘03 and ‘04. It’s the foundation of the playbook that Belichick will bring with him to the Superbowl this year. It’s a good bet that Tom Coughlin took it down to Jacksonville when he coached there. Of course, Coughlin hired Kevin Gilbride as his OC in Jacksonville and Gilbride has made many changes with the most recent version of their playbook going with Coughlin, Gilbride and the Giants to the Superbowl this year. Two variations of the playbook also met up in the Giants-New England Superbowl a few years back. It is the same playbook that Parcells and Weis worked with when they were with the Jets in the 90s (to date my favorite Jets offense). After Mangini wised-up, it’s the playbook that Mangini and Brian Daboll tried to install when he went over to Cleveland from the Jets; at least they beat the Patriots once (after the loss, Belichick called the Cleveland offense a sort-of-west-coast-thing. That was likely a jab-joke for his former assistants as they were apparently running Belicheck's own offense against him, instead of the west coast thing they had with the Jets). It also happens to be a relative of the playbook Rich Kotite and Erhardt ran when the Jets went 1-15 in 1996, but let’s move past that quickly. It is purportedly the foundation for whatever Sean Payton and Drew Brees are doing in New Orleans. It's what they are working with in Kansas City too; just look at the coaching staff there and all you see is Parcells disciples and Jets players from the 90s.

As easy as it is to see the hiring of Tony Sparano as the hiring of a Miami cast off, you have to look past Miami to see the full scope of the hire. Sparano was offensive coordinator at Boston University when Chris Palmer was the head coach. Palmer also gave Sparano his first NFL gig in Cleveland. Palmer’s resume is littered with stops where ever Parcells or Coughlin went. Just the same, Sparano worked for Coughlin in Jacksonville and Parcells in Dallas. When Parcells was hired to run Miami, he brought Sparano over to be the headcoach. Just the same, Sparano went on to bring in Parcells, Belichick and Coughlin guys because they know the Erhardt-Perkins system. Sparano hired Dan Henning as his first OC. Henning after all was the Jets QB coach in 1998-99 and the OC in 2000 when Parcells was in charge. In 2011, Sparano hired Daboll as his OC. Daboll was an offensive assistant coach in New England and then ran the system as Mangini’s OC in Cleveland. Dave DeGuglielmo was the offensive line coach for Coughlin when Coughlin was head coach at Boston College. DeGuglielmo also spent time with Coughlin and the Giants.

Even Matt Cavanugh is connected. Even though Cavanaugh ultimately picked up the west coast system as his system, he was a backup QB under Erhardt in New England from 1978-82 and again with Parcells, Erhardt and the Giants in 1990. Perhaps his fate is yet undetermined because he knows the old system. Or perhaps it is because Cavanaugh also played for Buddy Ryan in Philly, then he and Rex were assistant coaches together under Buddy in Arizona, and then coordinators together in Baltimore and now coaches on the Jets. After all, it is just an inbred world of NFL coaches.

Perhaps Tony Sparano will be a great offensive coordinator. Perhaps he will not. But the most important aspect of this hire is that Rex has chosen an offensive system to be his own. He undoubtedly likes the history and the bloodlines of the Erhardt-Perkins system. He claims to like the “verbiage.” He has said he wants to get in the offensive classrooms and learn the offense. So even if Sparano doesn’t work out long term, we now have an offensive system that exists outside of just poor ole Schotty’s head. Once installed properly, we can swap in-and-out Erhardt-Perkins offensive coaches just as has been done so many times before by Parcells, Belichick, Coughlin and even Sparano himself.

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I don't even really have a response or comment, it's just a really good piece.

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by Bro Namath on Jan 23, 2012 10:07 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

well

apparently, there are ways to get a rec, we’ve found out

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by rexthejet on Jan 23, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

One Of The Best Written Post Ever

Very informative and bring everything in to perspective. Thanks.

by T0ON88 on Jan 24, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. A Citizen Kane gif. Thank you.

I’ll go over and give you back the Rec i swiped earlier from the Washington piece. I tried to make it look like Bro did it.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 23, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

wow rtj

i never thought you’d be such a traitor to seinfeld

metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?

by dabu7 on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article.

Really interesting piece on football offenses.
One big question though. Is there more of a difference in philosophy or is more terminology that seperates the play books?

by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Which playbooks?

The variations of Erhardt playbooks? They have the same terminology so its easy to swap familiar coaches in and out. Or West Coast, Coryell and Erhardt systems? They are all very different in philosophy and terminology.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Perkins and Erhardt built the foundation of the playbook in the 70s while assistants at New England

Erhardt ran it for Parcells with the Giants in the 80s. Perkins went to college coaching at the time. When Parcells went to New England in the early 90s, Erhardt had already hooked on with Cowher and the Steelers. Parcells hired Perkins as his OC in New England. Perkins has said he still understood the playbook after all thoise years away. Weiss learned it from Perkins and ran it with the Jets in the late 90s and the Pats in the early 00s.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

When Parcells left the Pats for the Jets in the 90s and a few years later Belicheck returned

Bledsoe said he still understood the playbook Weiss brought back as similar to the one Parcells left with

by CervezaVerde on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

That Vinny led offence with Wayne & Keyshawn

Was my personal fav as well …. this post has jewels inside of it , this explains why I said that Sparano was good with me because of the Parcells connection alone.
Im still not over the Parcell retirement.

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by Benz Zito on Jan 24, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jewels? That's awesome. Haha.

Testaverde learned the offense with Belicheck in Cleveland. Then a few years later, he was brought to Parcells and the Jets to run the same offense. Parcells left, yada yada. Then well past his prime, he was brought down to Parcells and Dallas, back to the Jets (though for a different system I think), then up to New England with Belicheck, then down to the Panthers with Dan Henning. All because he was schooled in the system.

Penny’s success with Miami? Well, Penny only had one year in it, so maybe its just a decent system when run well.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 25, 2012 5:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Whats up with our old OC Charlie Weis?

He is still getting jobs because of his knowledge and his connection to BB.

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by Benz Zito on Jan 25, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Great stuff. I learned a lot from that article. Interesting read.

My only problem is that I despise Parcells, so I’m not keen on fruit from the Parcells coaching tree. Hopefully, they’ll pan out and do a great job for the Jets, but I’m not holding my breath. At least if your logic is valid about the reasons why Rex made these hires, it gives me a little more hope about him and his reasoning powers.

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by joeklecko on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Why do you despise Parcells?

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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 24, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably because...

Joe lived through the 80s when Parcells was a Giants coach. Then the early 90s when he was a Pats coach. Then the late 90s when he came to the Jets and left with the job undone.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Correct

But also because he is an asshole. He treated people like shit. His doghouse probably destroyed some young players, who with encouragement and a positive environment could quite possibly have flourished. Also because he built teams with older, more expensive FAs and didn’t do well shopping for his own groceries.

He stuck the Jets with Groh, Bradway, Tanny, and most likely Mangini. He also cost the Jets Belichick. If Belichick had stayed with the Jets, we’d probably have won several SBs here.

If I never see his ugly mugg or hear his name again, it will be too soon!

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by joeklecko on Jan 25, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but

I think I speak for most of us when I say I’d rather have won only 1 SB by now than to be the Spygate team. No matter what the Pats do, they’ll always be cheaters in our eyes (as Jets fans), do we really want to be like them Joe?

So let New England keep Belichik. Guy dresses like a bum anyway.

by Scott Piazza on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm With You There

but I doubt that most Jets fans feel that way. Most of the Jets fans I’ve encountered on the web over the last 10 years on multiple sites would gladly have sold their soul to the devil for a Jets’ SB win. They wouldn’t bat an eyelash at cheating to get the Ws.

There should be no place for cheating. Perhaps he wouldn’t have done it had he stayed here, but probably he would have. He has shown himself to have little character or ethical standards in his private life.

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by joeklecko on Jan 25, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

it would be foolish

To " fate " other good/great coach’s based on your feelings on their berth. That would be like me hating on Spags Becouse he came from the Eagles. Like CV said most are inbred.

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by Troy O on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Hate . Because

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by Troy O on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article. I'll rec this later for sure

I’ve liked the sporano hire alot and this makes me like it more. He wants to build an offense that fits our players skills and have a balance of physical, and explosive plays. With a few key additions this team will be back for vengeance.

Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!

by jets4life24 on Jan 24, 2012 12:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Excellent post! Among the best fan posts Ive ever read here

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by YankeesJets on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well done

I’ve stopped scratching my head. Something finally makes sense. Thank you .. the piece was great.

by Crawdady on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Wow

That was one of the most informative and well-written articles I have read on this site.

Well done, sir.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 24, 2012 9:20 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Very well done

great post. Hopefully this silences the skeptics for a little while.

by darshv3 on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely Outstanding

The title of this thread made me think that it was just a negative piece on recycled assistant coachs, I was wrong again. Thank for an enlightening thoughtful thread, that gets to the true reasoning behind the hiring of Sparano. I think everyone can agree that Schotty’s system was always a little disjointed, and very hard to learn.Schotty says now that he was not able to run his “true” offense with the jets since 2006. It will be interesting to watch the Rams in 2012. This thread has given me optimism on the Sparano hire, and even Daboll looks good (variations of the offense in New England), I’m excited. IMO even Rex is invigorated, calling Steve Young ( very critical) about the problems of the Jet Offense and the handling of Sanchez… Can’t Wait
PS. The history in this post makes this legendary…..Thanks

by JetOrange on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'd love to read that article...
Schotty says now that he was not able to run his "true" offense with the jets since 2006

I bet its true. For better or worse. Btw, I am not demanding it or doubting or anything. I certainly asked people to take a leap too because I didn’t provide sources for my post. I just meant, I actually would like to read that article.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 25, 2012 5:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Very good in depth post

I usually don’t read through long posts but I read every word of this one. You kept my attention throughout the entire article. Thank You, I’m starting to feel better about next season already.
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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well written

but I completely disagree that this hire is anything short of a disaster. Ground and pound doesnt win championships anymore. This hire might have worked 20 or 30 years ago but it wont work today.

The last few super bowl winners all had big time offenses. New Orleans, Green Bay, and whoever wins this game are all teams that are prolific through the air. The days of winning by holding the ball all game long and hoping to squeeze out 20 points are over. The only way this style can work is if you have an absolutely dominating defense. I am sorry but our defense is nowhere near this level.

Unless we get a great pass rush we arent winning anything because the offense will continue to suck. There is no reason why we are trying to be the Miami Dolphins when they sucked every bit as much as we did.

Sparano/Daboll or Cavanagh is no better than Schotty/Cavanagh. Once again we are choosing to stifle a QB that we traded up to draft. If this organization was so set on having a “game manager” at QB there was no reason to draft one so high. We are spending a tremendous amount of money on a QB that we have no intention of letting loose and helping us win games.

I really wanted rex to bring us a championship but as far as I am concerned he has completely lost me. We had a chance to hire bright offensive minds who could have helped us become a viable offense but instead we have decided to go in a terrible direction in taking retreads from a team who couldnt score. Todd Haley or Hue jackson could have developed Sanchez and this team finally could have had a good offense which we havent had since 1998. Hiring Sparano and his cronies will prove to be the decision that ends Rex’s head coaching career in New York.

I realize most of you will disagree with me but you just dont go out and hire coaches from terrible offenses. Sanchez will play next season with the Jets and then he will end up with a team like Seattle and he will develop into the QB that we all wanted him to become. The Jets have once again failed sanchez and once again shown that they are a terrible organization.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 24, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

The system is a foundation for an offense

It doesn’t mean you can’t pass out of it. Testeverde did. Beldsoe did. Brady and Eli do. Brunell did. Simms did.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 24, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Those teams

had more aggressive coaches than we have. Parcells and Bellichick dont strangle their QBs and neither does Coughlin.

I dont think the big issue is the system so much as how the coaches want to call plays from the system. Rex has created a very unfriendly environment for a QB. He drills it into Sanchez to check down and avoid mistakes at all costs. This creates an atmosphere where Mark is afraid to just lay it on the line because he is told to manage the game and not screw things up.

The biggest issue with this offense is on the head coach. Rex believes that his defense should win the games and his QB should just get out of the way and not make mistakes. This is very similar to how the ravens play. They tell Flacco not to make mistakes and that is why he doesnt air it out as much as he could.

Most defensive head coaches choke off the creativity of the offense and dont allow the QB to have the freedom necessary to excel. Steve Young has been on the radio as well as tv and he has pointed out that young QBs tend to struggle under defensive head coaches and I believe that is the biggest issue with Sanchez.

There are very few defensive minded head coaches that allow the offense to breathe and just go out there and be aggressive. For every Bellichick and Parcells there are many more Mangini’s and Edwards who play very passive offenses.

I have come to the conclusion that it doesnt matter who we hire as OC since the head coach wants to play conservatively on offense. This is why we must have an exceptional defense that puts pressure on the QB because our offense will never be good enough to carry the team. Our offenses have been consistently bad since 1998 and the common demoninator is that we have had all defensive head coaches in that timeframe.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 24, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The biggest statistical correlation to WINNING...

is not how many points you score. What matter is your NET POINTS PER DRIVE.

Obviously if you score faster, by passing, you will have more drives per game. And you will end up scoring more points. But that doesn’t mean that you will win more games.

Because the faster you score, the faster you hand the ball back to the opposition. And the more drives that you have, the more drives that the opposition has.

The ONLY thing that matters is having an efficient and productive offense. Not a high-scoring one. If you are productive on the ground, so be it. If you can do it through the air, so be it.

by square1 on Jan 26, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Nice job, sir.

Thanks for taking the time to research this and write it up.

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by CharlieIsles on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

This is fantastic.

In terms more broadly written, you took the idea that too many Jets fans were seeing this hire as a return to the boring, vanilla G an P style and actually defined Tony’s system for what is actually is. It’s a long running, long sucessful style that can’t be simply termed as just “ground and pound”. It’s soo much more than that. Any anyone who refuses to take what you have written here and at least come away with a slightly altered opinion is being stupid. We all have to have respect for the fact that this team is moving in a defined direction. It’s the exact thing it should have done after the Shotty era.
Rex is building his brand. His style as a HC. This is the system he wants to be associated with. It’s what fits the teams personel and players at the moment and furthermore (like you said) is a system that can easily be interchanged at the coaching poisition if needed.
Great read. Awesome history refresh for me too. It’s been forever since I heard some of the terms you used here. Thank you.

by Can'tWait on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Bottom line

is that Sparano has one season as a playcaller and Daboll has been a disaster everywhere he has been. You cannot and will not convince me that these hires are better than Haley or Jackson would have been.

It is never a smart thing to hire coaches without long track records of success. We had the chance to hire guys with experience putting good offenses on the field and coaches that can get the best out of sanchez. Instead we have hired guys that dont know a damn thing about offense.

I wish I could go along and be happy about these hires but I am not. Ground and pound doesnt win championships and rex has not adapted to the times. Scoring points is what makes an offense successful not holding the ball for 8 minute drives capped off by a field goal.

These playoffs have shown us that to win a championship you better be elite offensively or have a pass rush to knock the elite QBs off their game. The Jets as of now have neither so unless we improve the pass rush dramatically we arent winning a championship under Ryan because we have decided not to even attempt to put together a prolific offense.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 24, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You better have

either a dominating defense or high powered offense and we have neither. Unless this team gets a pass rush our defense will never be good enough to win a championship.

If you watched the games last week you saw teams like the Ravens,Giants, and Niners that all got after the passer without sending 8 guys like we have to. We cant keep ignoring the need for pass rushers thinking we can scheme our way to hitting the QB.

As for the offense we arent even attempting to be good. Why are we paying a QB big money if we wont even give him the chance to be a guy that is capable of carrying the team. This team doesnt know what the hell it wants to do. We keep talking about defense,defense, defense yet we time and time again have not fixed the biggest issue which is a pass rush. Our defense is decent no doubt but we are not in the same class as the Niners or ravens.

by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You said a mouth full there buddy

Damn right!

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by MDGeekyGrl on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

49ers

The 49ers are a perfect example of how ground and pound WORKS. If kyle williams doesnt make two bonehead plays I bet they would be in the suprebowl right now

by jetsvision on Jan 28, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I Disagree

Carlos Rodgers sucked balls in that game. Cruz beat him like a drum. Rodgers wasn’t even close to being able to cover Cruz and Cruz ain’t all that.

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by joeklecko on Jan 28, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the insight

This is a really good ‘behind the curtain’ story that is really enlightining. I think we all thought that Rex had reasons to bring over Sparano, but most of us wondered what they were. Its easy to question any moves that make this ‘Miami North’ but your insight debunks that and shows there was much more thought in this hire. Thank you,

by mangold'sbeard on Jan 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Damn

This post was even better the second time i read it. You better post more often CV.

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by rexthejet on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well thanks. I actually cleaned it up with multiple edits after I first posted it so perhaps thats why.

Or maybe its just growing optimism I tried to sell here (I don't believe any of this crap).

Everybody’s comments have been great. Very nice. Thank you guys. GGN… just great.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 25, 2012 5:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent.

Extremely well written post that actually gives me optimism and hope for the future. If this hire works out as intended it shows that Rex is actually starting to get it and is crafting a true identity for our team. As crazy as it sounds, I’m anxious to see Sanchez in the system with a full offseason with the coaching staff and not having to rehab any injury. As bad as he was this past season, I cannot ignore the flashes of brilliance he showed in 2010. If he’s surrounded with the proper playmakers (Welcome Back Braylon, I remember you Joe McKnight) and protection, he could possibly take the leap we all anticipated in 2011.

by Jones. on Jan 25, 2012 12:57 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

The biggest predictor of success now in the NFL by far is

Your QB. Schotty right now has to be jumping through the roof with the opportunity to work with Bradford. As a team, we are missing a few pieces but have many good players as well. But if Sanchez doesn’t get his act together we’re screwed no matter what. I have to say, all the talk about the “verbiage” or whatever excuse is being used for the week is irritating. If we’re at the point where everything has to be dumbed down for Sanchez that is a problem. I sincerely hope that his model girlfriend can help him get his head out of his ass so we can do better next year.

I really did like the article as it was very informative about different offensive systems and how they’re used. I just don’t think it matters that much. Everyone sees the same tape and knows the same plays that everyone uses. The best offenses (Colts under Manning, Saints under Brees, Patriots under Brady, Green Bay under Rodgers) have the best QB’s that are the most capable of running the most complex systems. Even to the point that, to a certain extent, comprehension of the system trumps talent. The more complex a system is the harder it is to defend. The flip side of course is that it is also harder for the offensive players to understand. Schotty tried to drive a Ferrari with a Prius engine in it and that is where the confusion came from. I’ve posted about Schotty before so, to clarify, my overall point is that he is being scapegoated when the truth is that the players I think were the biggest part of the problem, and it starts with the QB…

by noonan1974 on Jan 25, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

So why was Sanchez so much better in the 2 minute drill then? Could it be because they had to be less complex? That they went by feel and played to their strengths?

by Crackback on Jan 26, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree
The more complex a system is the harder it is to defend.

It could be, but not necessarily. IMO, the hardest offensive systems to defend are the ones where the OC is an adept play caller (knows how to set plays up and isn’t predictable) and where his players execute at a high level of consistency and proficiency.

I think more often a more complex offensive system just makes it harder on the QB not the opposing DC.

Schotty isn’t being scapegoated. That’s just ridiculous and totally lacking in truth. You said it yourself in your Ferrari analogy. His system wasn’t designed to fit the talent he had on hand. It’s stupid to try to drive a Ferrari with a Prius engine. Only an arrogant fool who thought he was smarter than everyone else would even dream of doing something that stupid. It was doomed to fail, just as the mutant/hybrid offense they tried to run was doomed to fail. There’s no doubting that there was some talent shortage but during Rex’s tenure as HC, most of the draft picks and trades have been for offensive players. The problem was that Schotty’s asinine system wasn’t designed to take advantage of the abilities his players have and was designed for different players. That isn’t even dealing with reality. He also obviously either didn’t demand great execution from his players or his offense was so unnecessarily complex that there wasn’t enough practice time to drill things until the players could flawlessly execute the plays time and again because they were trying to learn and do too much.

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by joeklecko on Jan 26, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Just to reply to the "verbiage" comment...

Yes, it has been over done in the media.

But understand this wrinkle. Rex is dyslexic (sp? ha maybe me too) and the Perkins-Erhardt offense is called by numbers with qualifiers. Would a dyslexic (sp?) prefer numbers or words?

The “verbiage” comment was Rex stating that he had a hard time learning the old offense. It was not a knock on Sanchez or Schotty.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The job of a coach

is to get the most out of the players that he has. There is no other job.

You’re telling me that Schotty can score points, but he just needs Brees, Rodgers, or Brady at QB? Who cares? He didn’t have those players.

The Jets have Sanchez, Holmes, and Greene. They need to figure out how to win with the players that they have.

by square1 on Jan 26, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Spot On Rec'd

Preach on, brother!

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by joeklecko on Jan 27, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Kudos GreenBeer

Someone posted your article on GangGreen.com and it’s getting a lot of praise over there as well. It is well deserved!

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by joeklecko on Jan 27, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

Gracias Jose Klecko

I saw it over there. And its on JetsInsider. And it was linked down in BleedingGreenNation. And few other places too. Pretty crazy. You gotta be careful what you say on the internets. People actually read this stuff. I’m think about the time time Kevin Mawae emailed I think it was Dvdvil to explain the “Home of the Jets” chant. I hope Schotty emails me to say I’m an ass or full of crap or something. That would make my year.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 27, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

That would be pretty funny. Be sure and post it here if he does!

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by joeklecko on Jan 28, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this record with all the recs?

I mean hell, this almost doubled my Chris Long post.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

Its tied for tops I'm proud to say. I have become a Rec whore.

Your post, while having only half the rec’s, had so many rec’s inside, that if they were counted, you would perhaps have set a SB Nation blob rec’ord. It was by far my favorite post.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 28, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I looked back on the post after like 4 days.

I’m pretty sure there were 350 comments. I felt sorry for myself.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 28, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Once it got turned into an off-topic green-valache

It exploded. I’m glad you came back though. GGN gets fun around the draft.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 29, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

top ten

Dvdvil Appreciation Thread 6 months ago by John B Comments36 latest 5 months ago by dvdvil 31 recs

The Inbred World of NFL Coaches and Our New Old Offense 4 days ago by CervezaVerde Comments75 latest 6 minutes ago by sanchise6 31 recs

John B Appreciation Thread 5 months ago by dvdvil Comments52 latest 5 months ago by j-man 24 recs

9/11/01 5 months ago by John B Comments18 latest 5 months ago by Tamarack 20 recs

Sign Up for the GGN Mock Draft 11 months ago by John B Comments56 latest 11 months ago by JetKing55 18 recs

I’ve been waiting for someone to make a post about this,… about 1 month ago by sanchise6 Comments314 latest 3 days ago by rexthejet 18 recs

Free Agency Open Thread 6 months ago by John B Comments281 latest 6 months ago by Bro Namath 16 recs

Braylon-This Needs To Be Acknowledged 6 months ago by longsuffering but optimistic Comments45 latest 6 months ago by longsuffering but optimistic 16 recs

An Appreciation Post for John B 4 months ago by MachlinT Comments10 latest 4 months ago by MaPatsFan 16 recs

Ask the Pulpit! about 1 year ago by Richard Hill Comments187 latest about 1 year ago by Bro Namath 15 recs

http://www.ganggreennation.com/fanposts/popular/all_time

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by Bro Namath on Jan 28, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

well

congrats CV, you have the record. btw, why did joeklecko call you greenbeer? well, now you will have to go for the fanshot record…

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by rexthejet on Jan 28, 2012 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

ah

i just remember we had a guy named greenbeer here. i think he got banned

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"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
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by rexthejet on Jan 28, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I Think We Did

I didn’t know what happened to him. I thought possibly CervezaVerde was Green Beer, but even if not, I think that’s what it means in Spanish.

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by joeklecko on Jan 28, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Green Beer

My spanish is a little rusty, but if I’m not mistaken,

Cerveza = Beer

Verde = Green

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tyler

by joeklecko on Jan 28, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

i don’t know any spanish. funny coincedence then.

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
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i'm a moderator for GGN. I will accept tribute.

by rexthejet on Jan 28, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what else is funny?

Passive aggressiveness.

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by Bro Namath on Jan 28, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
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i'm a moderator for GGN. I will accept tribute.

by rexthejet on Jan 28, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

it was another poor attempt at humor on my part

no worries

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by Bro Namath on Jan 28, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

There aren't too many really original screen names

I mean perhaps the most original is Bobdolethesnapplelady. But there are a few variations of Sanchise6. There were two CantWaits, John B runs this site, Jason B runs Bleeding Green Nation. I even heard there were two Bro Namaths at one time. I tried to come up with something original but perhaps I didn’t.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 28, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

it is pretty cool

i just foun out that rex el chorro is rexthejet in spanish. you can call me el chorro.

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"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
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i'm a moderator for GGN. I will accept tribute.

by rexthejet on Jan 29, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

and in vietnamese

it somehow becomes rex các máy bay phản lực. it addes a little something in translation

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by rexthejet on Jan 29, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Ideally

I can see our offense being a potential top 10 offense. If we commit to a run game and can get some real chunk pass plays down the field, and get Sanchez comfortable. It’s certainly possible if we can get Braylon back. Our Receiving corps would look like Braylon, Holmes, Keller, and Kerley (beast!) and we’d have Shonn Greene leading the way at runningback, with Joe Mcknight as our 3rd down back, and someone else to be the occaisonal spell back, maybe Bilal or a later round draft choice. Let’s hope Sparano can make it all work.

by darshv3 on Jan 28, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

oh, and we also need a RT

not even a great one, just a functional one

by darshv3 on Jan 28, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The package I want to see...

Holmes as single WR. Cumberland at TE. Keller as H-Back TE. Conner at FB. McKnight as RB.

From there, depending on the defense shown to us, we can split McKnight or Keller out as a 2nd WR or 2nd and 3rd WRs. From here we can still pound Connor up the middle with even Keller coming in to lead block. Or we can leave McKnight in as RB and run from there. Or pass. Match up problems galore.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 28, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I dunno how Sparano will run things but

That play is typical Erhardt-Perkins-Weiss. Confuse with personel and formation, then run a simple well practiced play.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 29, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds Good

as long as Testaverde is nowhere near the team or play. ;-)

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by joeklecko on Jan 29, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent Post

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by ProfScorpio on Jan 29, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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