It's Imperative That The Jets Improve In The Draft
Obviously it's every teams goal to improve through the draft, get younger and get better. It's exactly what it is for, but under Rex Ryan, I'm not at all sold that the right decisions are being made in the right areas. BPA is something that I'm 50% on, best player available regardless of position can certainly work. Or if the best player available is not the best player for your team, you could do what many teams do and trade down. With an aggressive front office like the Jets have, we haven't seen much trading down since Rex Ryan teamed up with Mike Tannenbaum.
Now I will agree that for a lot of the players that this administration have drafted; it's far too early to judge their overall talent, and value based on selection. However although it is early doors, we are going to have to see some serious improvement from a lot of players over the next 2-3 years.
So lets just list the players that the Jets have taken under the Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum partnership:
2009
Round 1, Pick #5: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
Round 3, Pick #65: Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
Round 6, Pick #193: Matt Slauson, OG, Nebraska
Now by a lot of standards that is not a bad draft at all. All three players are now starters, Sanchez has taken us to two AFC CHampionship games, Greene has just eclipsed 1,000 yards in a season for the first time and Slauson while obviously not close to being elite, is an extremely useful starter who continues to improve as the seasons go by. There are a lot of questions about Mark Sanchez, I'll question him as much as anyone but I'm willing to give him another year under a new offensive system. He struggles to read defences, accuracy is a major concern and he runs through his checks (if he is not staring down his receiver) faster than Usain Bolt runs the 100 metres and ends up checking down anyway. Maybe it is poor coaching or maybe it is just a sign of an average QB getting by. After 2012, it will be a lot clearer.
Shonn is a little controversial as well, he has eclipsed the 1,000 yard mark but most agree he needs a compliment and it's yet ready to make that jump to the feature back. His pass blocking has improved since he was drafted and he still churns out yards after the catch. Greene is still the best pick in this draft for me from a Jets perspective. He is reliable, and he does have an extra gear but doesn't have that breakaway speed. Still when you hit 1,000 yards in the NFL despite your team throwing too much and your offensive line not being elite. You are doing something right, I think McKnight will partner Greene quite well; I don't think we have seen the absolute best of Shonn year.
2010
Round 1, Pick #29: Kyle Wilson, CB Boise State
Round 2, Pick #61: Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachusetts
Round 4, Pick #112: Joe McKnight, RB, USC
Round 5, Pick #139: John Connor, FB, Kentucky
At the end of both Rex Ryan's reign and that of Mike Tannenbaum, I don't think this draft is going to be thought of fondly. At the time of the draft and anyone here who was around GGN at the time, I was devastated when the Patriots took Devin McCourty at #28. He was the CB I really wanted for this team, was the QB I thought would have the better NFL career and is the corner I still think will have the much better career. WIlson did come on this year in the slot, at times he still looked lost but he was a lot closer to where we thought he would be. He spent a lot of time last off-season working with Revis, almost shadowing him and his improvements were visable.
Personally I think Wilson will become a decent starter, but I don't think he will ever be elite. That's just based on what I have seen from him so far in the NFL. However I do like his improvement from season one to season two, so lets see what he can do in season three.
Vladimir Ducasse to me was a reach of epic proportions. He was taken before Charles Brown of USC, John Jerry of Ole Miss and Shawn Lauvao of Arizona State. Brown has obviously struggled with injury but has shown a lot of promise with his athleticism, Dolphins fans were calling for John Jerry's head last off-season and now after promising spot starts for Jake Long and Vernon Carey in 2011, some are suggesting he could earn a starting spot in 2012. Shawn Lauvao started all 16 games for Cleveland in 2011 and looks to be an extremely promising young player. Vladimir for me has shown little to no improvement at all, he looks completely lost in an NFL system. I'm sure the guy is trying, I don't doubt that at all. However two seasons down now, he's going to have to start showing something. When I watch him in games, and watch him in pre-season; I get the impression that he has no clue about his blocking assignments. He was a project and he was raw, but in my humble opinion you take a player that raw in the 2nd round. Projects are for 4th to 7th round selections.
Joe McKnight has really come on this year in the kick return game, unfortunately because Brian didn't use him enough we can't see how much he is going to contribute to the offensive side of the ball. I'm really looking forward to seeing how he progresses in 2012. He is ready for a bigger role and I have 100% faith that he can be a great compliment to Greene. We need to get him the ball with space, let's get some stretch plays to him and let him use his wheels.
John Connor is solid, he does a great job as the fullback. An extremely solid selection which was made based on need. Value was good, he isn't the finished article yet but when he pops you.......well you know you have been popped.
2011
Round 1: Pick #30: Muhammed Wilkerson, DE Temple
Round 3: Pick #94: Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
Round 4: Pick #126: Bilal Powell, RB, Louisville
Round 5: Pick #153: Jeremy Kerley, WR, TCU
Round 7: Pick #208: Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama
Round 7: Pick #227: Scotty McKnight, WR, Colorado
Personally I think it's too early to comment on the players in the 2011 draft, obviously Kerley has made a good start and Wilkerson has been decent. I wasn't a massive fan of the Ellis selection in the 3rd round or the Powell selection in the 4th. Scotty McKnight was a throw in for Sanchez, Greg McElroy probably will never be an NFL QB but I do like what I saw in pre-season and I always like taking a QB in the draft.
13 selections in three years. I don't think we have any elite players (so far) from the 13 drafted. No pro bowlers (not that it matters) but there are a lot of guys in here who I think were reaches who have just as much potential to bust as to be an everyday NFL player. I don't think we have drafted well at all over the Rex Ryan era. I know some players take a little time to develop, like Brick did. However we have never had the Revis, Mangold top quality selections from the get go.
The draft is a crapshoot, no doubt about it. However you can play your odds a little, I want to see a deep draft in 2012 and if possible, I want to avoid the small school raw project players.
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I think we're talking wilk for granted
He was a rookie with no offseason, that didn’t go to a really big football school, that was thrown to the wolves from day 1 to replace the great Shaun Ellis. And you know what? He did a pretty good job. His ceiling is really high, and I can’t wait to see what he can do. But yeah, the Jury is still out on Greene, Wilson, while solid hasn’t been outstanding, Vlad is a question mark, and I don’t think anybody knows what’s up with Sanchez yet.
This is a good point
Wilkerson did have a very respectable rookie season with no offseason to learn. He came in and got the job done quite well. I’m excited to see how he progresses over the next year or two and think he may well be a great DE.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
McCourty had a horrible season this year. Wilson was a lot better than him.
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You know what's really funny about that?
My friend who’s a patriots fan was bragging before the season about how they drafted the better corner and that Devin was on his way to being “a shutdown corner” and then the tables totally turned during the season. I never even had to bring it up again, I just saw that defeated look on his face whenever he mentioned Devin Mccourty.
I swear to God
There were Pats fans here last year saying McCourty had a better rookie year than Revis (which wasn’t really true anyway) and was therefore on his way to being a better player.
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While I definitely don’t agree with that, I do think McCourty had a top class rookie season and any fanbase would have started to imagine how far he could go.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 22, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
the dropoff that mccourty had
would be like if Von Miller only had 4 sacks next year, or if cam newton only had 2 rushing touchdowns and threw 25 picks.
Mccourty was beaten like a drum this year.
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by Noble_Lance on Jan 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
The whole Pats secondary was awful this year, he had a great 2010 however. So it shows he can do it, Wilson still has a lot to prove in my mind and although he showed improvements, he still isn’t performing up to the expected standard.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Product of the offense last year
Brady played violently good last year, you could play the WRs knowing the opposing QBs were playing hurry up to try and keep up with Brady. This year Brady was still good but people watched that defensive tape and knew they were beatable and Brady wasn’t flawless
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by Noble_Lance on Jan 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
uh...try thinking a little harder?
whether you agree or not, it does make sense.
I agree about Ducasse. It clearly was a mistake taking him in the second round. Second rounders should be able to contribute something in their second year. Guys with natural ability but as raw as Vlad you take in the fifth round, not the second.
Complaints about line depth this year are a direct indictment about Ducasse’s lack of development. If he was at least ready to be an adequate backup, the team could have slid Slauson to center and put Vlad at LG when Mangold got hurt. Instead we got the Colin Baxter experience.
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Earier Post" no small school projects"
I believe that Vlad was a legitimate second round pick. IMO it is unfair to judge Vlad after the second season. His third year however with a full training camp and Mini camps is where the rubber meets the road, he needs to perform. I llike Ducasse because he works hard and there are indications that he is a dominant run blocker. Vlad will be the starting RT in 2012, he will benefit from Sparano’s simpler approach, and enhanced protection schemes.
The question for the Jets is " do they draft small school projects with superior athletic ability?" or do you draft all your Offensive lineman out of Wisconsin and USC. Kendric Ellis is another small school guy, didn’t do much this year, will jet fans get crazy if Ellis doesnt produce in 2012 ? IMO patience is needed and we have to let these guys develop
Ellis showed a lot more than Ducasse this year.
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We should just put Vlad at Nose
by RevisIsland&Alcrotraz on Jan 22, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I Totally Disagree
For starters, the Jets said that if Wilson hadn’t fallen to them in round 1 they were prepared to take Ducasse!!! They knew he would be a project. You don’t take projects in the first 3 rounds of the draft unless you’re stupid. Second round picks should be at the very least good backups, and more likely, productive starters. Many come in and start immediately, but most certainly should be starting by their second season unless they were drafted for depth behind a very, very good starter.
Ducasse may still develop. He has talent, but based on his very low Wunderlic score and the fact that he was extremely raw, he should never have been taken above the 4th round, if that high.
I think the David Wyatt’s post showing how the other OTs have fared from that draft shows that was a weak draft for OTs. Smart GMs draft to the strength of the draft. They don’t reach for positions in weak drafts. For instance, this draft is considered deep at OLB and WR. The Jets should probably draft two of each in this draft, rather than take other positions where there is little depth and quality. That’s how you add talent to your roster and get good depth. Knowing Tanny, he’ll trade up again twice, in this draft to get “good” players at positions other than OLB or WR and will get neither value, nor quality, nor address the holes on the roster.
I think Tanny’s a putz and should be fired.
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Rex has little control of the draft
Mike T and Woody have a lot more control. He has some input don’t get me wrong, but the only pick that was 100% him that I know of is John Conner.
Every defensive player taken the last three years, Rex would have had a hand in. I imagine he has a lot more to do with the picks than a lot of people expect. It’s his team.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 22, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
rex brought up an interesting point in an interview about a month ago
he said they’ve only drafted 3 defensive players since he’s been here, and they’ve made all these trades both in the draft and offseason to get offensive players since he wants to bolster the offense…so why do we still suck on that side?
Does it really need to be said? lol
Let’s just hope Sparano can change that, though I’m not at all optimistic.
by Exystence on Jan 22, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was being sarcastic
of course it was schotty.
Time to start stockpiling picks
we have traded way too many picks the last few years for veterans and because of that our depth is terrible. This roster needs to get younger and I think its time we traded down for extra picks. The last two drafts have not been good no matter how many times Tannenbaum talks up Ducasse.
I think this team badly needs to upgrade the athleticism and overall team speed. We must finally draft a pass rusher because we have ignored that need for far too long. I would like to see a pass rusher in the first round if the value is there.
I would not draft a wide receiver before the 4th or 5th round and the same goes for RBs. These are positions where there is usually good value in the middle rounds and we have far greater needs like pass rusher and offensive lineman.
I'm one of those that thinks we need to double dip on pass rushers
what about you brewcrew?
Absolutely
i would love to see us pick pass rushers with our first two picks but since we have ignored this need for so long I will settle for one.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 22, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Of the 13 players listed here, 8 have already proven that they are NFL-caliber starters at their positions. There isn’t a team in the NFL that wouldn’t take that percentage.
Wrong!!!
No way that Green Bay, Pittsburgh or Baltimore would. They are in a class all their own when it comes to drafting. I’m sure that others do better as well. Hopefully, you guys will wake up to Tanny sooner rather than later. He’s a fraud.
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Wyatt- what do you see in Devin that you still feel that he is going to have a better career than Wilson?
He got by on built up respect and some timely gambling in his rookie season. He also played opposite of one of the truly horrible CB in the game which masked his faults and padded his stats.
Wilson has improved every year in every notable area he could and now McCourty has been moved to Saftey for the playoffs.
I’m not even sure this is debatable. Wilson IS the better CB.
Wilson’s talents and confidence are on the uprise and giving little reason for thinking he’ll stop any time soon. Devin isn’t even playing his position anymore.
I think he's playing safety
because they’re so thin there.
They are very thin at saftey.
But if he were the Revis clone the Pats thought they had he would be the last guy they moved to saftey, not one of the first.
They drafted him to be their #1 corner and he’s not retaining his job. I think thay says something
He was also the #1 corner on a team that ranked as historically bad vs. the pass at one point in the season
It's not totally an indictment on him either.
There are a ton of other factors to weigh. Deving was thrust into a starting CB spot almost right away.
Wilson has the best to learn from and a position where he can grow at his own pace.
Things were going to be rough for Devin at the start but I fear he is headed in the wrong direction.
If a player is in a bit of a tail spin it’s hard to say he will be better then one who is on a definite rise.
Devin still plays as a CB in the bas defence but moves over to safety in the sub packages that the Patriots run. For one I think they have made a good decision to have McCourty play at the safety position to give more position flexibility to the team. They have been decimated by injuries, so he has been trying to continue his progression as a corner and learn the intricacies of the safety position. I just like his overall game more than Wilsons, he certainly locates the ball a lot better than Wilson IMO. I think they both will have good careers, but I would take Devin’s.
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by David_Wyatt on Jan 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
It's pretty difficult to locate the ball playing slot.
Not sure if thats a comparable ability but your point is taken.
Devin in the end could mean more to the Pats as a whole if he’s allowed to be a bit of a multi-puropse tool for BB reguardless if he ends up excelling in either position. Not exactly something thats unknown in NE. BB loves guys like that.
Joe McKinght is a possible consistant probowler.
The fact that he could get to that status because of Westy’s SP schemes is a point to debate, however.
I think he will really start to get noticed next year once he gets more snaps on offense.
That was a really good pick in my opinion. If we are lucky we could have picked up a Reggie Bush type in the 4th. I’ll take that every time.
Just looked at last 6 years of drafting & WOW
Drafting is such an inexact science. I think all in all Tanny’s done a VERY GOOD job. He’s had some misses also. If not for Gholston I’d give him a B+ to an A.. Trading up for a player he really likes seems to work exceptionally well: Revis, Harris (I think), Keller, Sanchize (TBD), Greene (TBD), Mangold (I think). But when he sits and waits and does BPA we’ve had avg success.
We need a Pass Rusher 1 & a RT 2. Might go pass rusher again at 3. Then need FS & SS. Don’t want a Safety in first round at 16 as I see projected in a lot of mocks. If we can get best safety in 2nd round I’d live with that but need Pass Rusher & RT much more.
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We should have
Got a FS or SS years ago!! That has been a weakness for the last 2 years, if we had 2 ball hawks at FS and SS nobody would throw the ball on us
I also think this fanbase under sells what Matt Slauson means to this team.
In the 6th round this team picked up it’s best run blocking lineman and a fast starter.
If the running game sees the return I think it will over the next few years we could be sending a combination of 3 lineman to the probowl.
Guards often benefit from stellar running games and rightfully so in Matt case.
Only thing I disagree on is that I think Moore is a better run blocker. Dude is a flat out mauler. He just murders people and throws them to the ground like rag dolls.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Passer Rushers
Of the pass rushers entering the draft this season, I’m just curious, who do you think is a good OLB right now. I know it’s way too early too really analyze before the combine, but it is a major issue that the jets don’t have one.
The Jets need a playmaking WR badly
someone who Mark will just chuck it up and the reciever will come down. Holmes is not a deep ball threat, nor is Plax if he comes back and nor is Kerley.
by NJ Champ on Jan 22, 2012 12:59 PM EST via Android app reply actions
kyle wilson..
was a terrible pick so far for us. first round picks that are part time nickel corners are not good selections. He got totally abused in the last Miami game covering davone Bess. Bess ate him up for multiple 3rd downs. Vlad Ducasse can run block but is a liability in pass protection. My grandmother could hit the hole faster than bilal Powell. The Good:…….Matt Slauson has been solid. Wilkerson is solid, but not spectacular. Shonn Greene is a tough one cut runner that needs to get the ball more. Kerley was a solid replacement for Cothchery. Still Undecided:……Sanchez, K.Ellis, and McElroy, although i think all three will be good. and please don’t let Sanchez draft any more of his college drinking buddies.
in fairness...
wilson’s on a team with Revis and Cromartie, and Bess is one of the leagues better slot recievers. i still don’t know why we wasted our first round pick on a cb, but he hasn’t been that bad
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by jetstothesb on Jan 22, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
fair points on the draft
i think Slauson could end up pro bowl quality and for a 6th round pick who is still learning his position he has been fantastic .
we just need more picks every year . 3 or 4 picks aren’t good enough any more , we need 7 – 10 every year ( including comp picks ) . we can’t keep using FA or blockbuster trades to build this team anymore .
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i want jeffery in green at pick 16
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WIlkerson needs become more of a pass rusher though
great rookie season, but i would like to see more of a pass rush. i think it is bad that out of 3 years of picks, we have nothing close to a star player.
Wilks is going to be very good
I am hesitant to say “great,” but I see him as a productive member of the team for years to come. The rest?
Well, Joe McKnight is versatile, a good returner, and will develop nicely. Everybody else, meh.

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