Miami Dolphins Hire Joe Philbin as Head Coach; Brian Daboll Now Available
by John B on Jan 21, 2012 10:26 AM EST
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PrintIn divisional news, the Miami Dolphins have hired Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin as their new head coach
The Dolphins are proud to announce that Green Bay offensive coordinator Joe Philbin has been hired as the 10th head coach in team history.
Will Philbin be a good head coach? It is tough to say. Some coordinators can cut it as the head man. Others can't. Given the candidates, I think this was a good move by Miami. Philbin has a track record of great success building offenses. Even if Mike McCarthy was very hands on in Green Bay and called the plays, Philbin handled a lot of the day to day stuff and by all accounts helped build a very prolific offense. This is the way to do things. You seek people with demonstrated success to fill jobs.
It quite possibly means Miami will be the team to roll the dice on Green Bay backup quarterback Matt Flynn as a starter. Flynn will likely get a nice contract and a starting job based on some good spot starts with the Packers. The jury is still very much out on him. He will be looking to buck the recent trend of high profile backup quarterbacks not doing too well with a new team like Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel.
Since Philbin is an offensive guy, it means he will probably bring in his own people on offense, which means Miami offensive coordinator Brian Daboll will be available. Cimini thinks the Jets want him as quarterbacks coach.
One of those assistants -- offensive coordinator Brian Daboll -- is on the Jets' radar. They're interested in him as a quarterbacks coach, but he's still under contract to the Dolphins.
Just when you think the worst news you'll ever get is Matt Cavanaugh returning, you hear this. Daboll might be one of the few actual downgrades from Cavanaugh. He isn't a good coach at all. He actually served as Jets quarterbacks coach in 2007 and 2008. Those were not exactly golden years when it came to quarterback play from this franchise. 2008 was the year of Brett Favre, who was clearly already developed, but it's tough to not get on his position coach for Favre's struggles with the playbook early that year. It's the position coach's job to help with that transition. Daboll ended up being Cleveland's offensive coordinator in 2009 and 2010 because he's BFF's with Eric Mangini. Those years the Browns produced the 32nd and 29th ranked offenses. Mangini somehow ended up consulting with the Dolphins before 2011 and got Daboll their offensive coordinator job. Miami rated 22nd.
Daboll might see the Todd Haley passing game coordinator role. In his years running the show in Miami and Cleveland, 84% of teams in the league had more prolific passing games than the ones run by Daboll. It is incomprehensible the Jets are trying to emulate the Miami offense to the degree they are.
If this is true, the team also is treating Cavanaugh very poorly. It's not that I think Cavanaugh is a good coach. I don't. It's not that I think he deserves to come back. I don't. The team either thinks he is the right guy for the job, or it doesn't. If not, there is no reason to leave this guy twisting in the wind. Simply dismiss him and give him the chance to find employment elsewhere. This holding onto him while looking for a better option reminds me a lot of the horrible way Stephen Ross treated Tony Sparano last year while courting Jim Harbaugh.
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Very well written
article and I couldnt agree with it more. Daboll has never done a good job and is not the guy to develop Sanchez. Only the Jets would hire the Dolphins offensive staff as their own.
I remember laughing when the Dolphins hired Daboll as the coordinator after the awful offenses he produced in Cleveland. I never considered that the Jets would consider bringing this guy back in any roll much less considering him as the guy to help Sanchez. As if the Schottenheimer/Cavanagh combination want bad enough we have possibly downgraded going to Sparano/Cavanagh or Daboll.
Rex Ryan has admitted that he knows nothing about offense and it was very important to upgrade the offensive coaches. I blame Tannenbaum as much as I blame Rex because we all know that Rex is clueless about offense. Instead of looking to emulate good offenses we are trying to copy a team whose offense wasnt any better than ours.
With guys like Todd Haley and Hue Jackson available it just makes no sense to go in this direction. The fact that Rex has ties to Jackson and we have not hired him makes things even more questionable. I feel terrible for Sanchez because he does have ability but not the right coaches to help him reach his potential.
Hiring coaches with a proven winning track record is the basis for building a winning team.
Coaches from Miami are hardly what the Jets need.As Broadway Joe said "Sparano?’
by Putnan Prince on Jan 21, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
This off season has an uneasy feel to it.
Between Tomlinson saying it was as bad, as he’s ever been around, to targeting unsuccessful assistants, to accusations of the team not believing in Mark. We have to see if Rex can manage to right the ship.
by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 21, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions
If there's anything at all positive to take from this (i'm trying my best here)
Matt Moore turned into a very solid quarterback by the end of the season, and Chad Henne seemed to be playing better before he got hurt.
That is true for moments there were successes there even if they did lose.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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by Noble_Lance on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Who hires
an offensive coach that as an offensive coordinator has had offenses ranked 29,32 and 22. Seriously how can anyone defend this teams decision making. Daboll has led terrible offenses in all three of his years as an offensive coordinator.
Tanny is supposed to be a numbers guy. How does he look at these numbers and go ahead and hire these guys? We need an offense that will score more points and hiring these clowns just sets us further back.
With Rex being connected to Hue Jackson you have to seriously ask why we arent hiring him? I prefer Haley or Clements but I certainly think that Jackson is an accomplished playcaller with lots of experience working with QBs. To hire Sparano and Daboll when we have some really accomplished guys out there infuriates me.
If Daboll does become available, I don't think he'd be a bad hire for QB Coach.
He actually got some good things from QBs like Derek Anderson (Pro Bowl) and Matt Moore. McCoy looked like a much better QB prospect even when Daboll was OC. He’s had some success with QBs and if he is NYJ’s QB Coach, that’s all he’ll be asked to deal with.
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I don't see many good things he did with Anderson.
Derek Anderson’s one year with Daboll looked like this:
44.5 completion percentage, 4.9 yards per attempt, 3 TD, 10 INT, 42.1 rating
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Actually you're right lol
I forgot Daboll was still a Jet when Anderson had his good year. Scratch that one. At least he had some success with McCoy and Moore.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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Keep in mind John
It’s not like cleveland had any talent on their offense. No coach is a miracle worker, look at what Josh McDaniels did in St. Louis. And derek anderson sucks.
If you want an idea of how bad the Rams' offense was
Mark Sanchez accounted for TWICE as many touchdowns (32) as the entire rams offense (16).
Bradford was injured
most of the season so its not right to blame McDaniels for that teams struggles.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not blaming him for their struggles
i’m blaming the lack of talent and depth on that team. My point is that no coach is a miracle worker.
McDaniels had one bad year after a great track record of success.
Daboll has been consistently horrible. At some point, the excuses run out because there’s only one constant.
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Yet again
I’m not blaming mcdaniels for the lack of that offense’s success.
All that we
are saying is that you can excuse a bad season but when a coach has been unsuccessful every season you have to blame said coach.
Just the same way Schotty has been unsuccessful for years so has Daboll. I just dont understand why we arent hiring coaches with successful track records.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Anderson
had a career year in 2007 when he had Rob Chudzinski as his OC. This is the same coach who got great things out of Cam Newton this year. This is just more proof of what good coaching can do. In 2007 the Cleveland offense ranked 8th yet under Daboll for two years they were terrible.
I am hoping that Chudzinski doesnt get hired as a head coach this offseason because this is the type of guy that would be an excellent replacement for Rex when this offense causes us to miss the playoffs next season.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
The Jets know this guy, Tanny takes major responsability for this potential move.
I would like to know Penningtons take on Daboll. Daboll worked under Schotty, knows that system , has worked under Sparano, so he may be the perfect guy for transitioning the offense. I would certainly prefer Haley, Jackson or Clements but thats just unrealistic , I think. Tony should be able to have guys around that he can work with successfully.
If Chad is on board, CP for backup QB and Daboll as QB coach
Daboll
has a terrible track record which shows nothing but failure wherever he has been. Its one thing to excuse one bad season from a coordinator but this guy has sucked everywhere he has been. The fact that this guy was once on the Jets staff makes it even more unacceptable to hire him since we have since his work firsthand.
Why not get a proven offensive mind in here? Daboll and Sparano will guarantee more bad offense which will mean no playoffs most likely.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a big fan of Daboll.
But I don’t know if I agree that he would be a down grade.
Are you really gonna place blame on him for not getting Favre to quickly learn a completely new play book for the first time in his career?
New team, new plays, NEW SYSTEM, new coaches calling thoes plays, new environment, new players to get on page with. And didn’t Favre meet up with the team late?
Thats really reaching for a negative in a year where our passing offense was possibly the most dangerous to defenses. There were positives from that year and at least a tiny bit of it could be owned by Daboll
People want to attribute a whole lot of factors as to why a QB coach sucks. Imo there are only a few.
One factor to count on is this- If the QB coach is tasked with tutoring a drafted rookie or otherwise very young QB, does that QB have a good grasp of the offense and look confident in his role in his second year as a starter? If the answer is yes taking into consideration the many factors that surround QB play (line bolcking, protection, and playcalling) then the QB coach SEEMS to be doing his job.
Daboll for the most part has never had this situation as a QB coach for us to contrast with which makes saying that he would be worse than Cavanaugh tough to say. But we can contrast him as an OC with Shotty and his handling of Mark Sanchez.
I love what Daboll did as an OC with McCoy. (a QB with aprox the same size and skillset as Mark) and perhaps got more from Colt then Shotty did with Mark in the same time frame. And perhaps he even handled Matt Moore very well as the season went on for the Dolphins. I count thoes as big positives.
If I can point to at least one comparable where Daboll has coached consistancy and confidence out of a young QB and our OC seemingly failed to do so, doesn’t it stand to reason that Daboll could at least POSSIBILY be a better option at QB coach then Cavanaugh?
John, you speak as if Daboll is 100% guaranteed to be worse then Cavanaugh.
Thats really not the case at all.
29,32,22
that is where this guys offenses have ranked when he was an OC. These numbers scream complete failure and this organization needs a proven guy to coach Sanchez. Why should we have any confidence in a coach like this when we need Sanchez to produce.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's funny how you make a comment like "No coach is a miracle worker"
And then quote a broad vague stat like total offense ranking that needs to take into consideration an entire teams effectiveness from the top down.
I am talking specifically of his handling of Colt McCoy. Nothing more because the only thing he would be asked to do here is handle a QB.
But we can contrast him as an OC with Shotty and his handling of Mark Sanchez.
His offenses were actually worse than Schotty’s. Frankly he would have been a downgrade from Schotty.
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Just like I said to brewcrew
Total offense has nothing to do with my post or anything related to what Daboll would be tasked with handling here with the Jets if hired.
Shotty’s handling of Mark is suspect to say the least.
Dabolls handling of Colt at least hints at some promise.
For their part as OC’s the handling of young QB’s is something you can compare and I think there may be something to like in Daboll.
Passing offenses
that daboll has had a hand in have all been very bad. Colt McCoy was far from great with Daboll and the Dolphins werent exactly the Packers when it came to passing offense. I think an offense with Brandon Marshall and Reggie Bush having a great season should rank a lot higher than 22 in the league.
The Dolphins offense was very much like the Jets. This is not the template for success yet we are going in this awful direction once again.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I never said Daboll would create the Packers offense here with the Jets.
I never said he was great, I never said he was perfect for the job either. I simply stated a few facts that I saw as positives with Brian Daboll.
Wins and losses, total offensive ranking and other broad stats have nothing to do when trying to evaluate a Coaches skills when bringing up a young QB in the league as a QB coach. Thats all I’m saying.
Your blindly throwing around your opinion to anyone who wants to see this move as having some possible positives without even reading that persons entire post. relax.
It's funny how you make a comment like "No coach is a miracle worker"
And then quote a broad vague stat like total offense ranking that needs to take into consideration an entire teams effectiveness from the top down.
I am talking specifically of his handling of Colt McCoy. Nothing more because the only thing he would be asked to do here is handle a QB.
Make all the excuses you want
but you must look at a coaches track record when evaluating his effectiveness. Daboll has never done a good job so hiring him makes no sense at all.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Who is making excuses?
Your the one who is filpping back and fourth.
I never said you shouldn’t look at a Coaches record. I just said that I wanted to compare 2 coaches in the same position with their handling of 2 young QB’s
Please tell me where I am making excuses?
McCoy
wasnt exactly a good QB when Daboll coached him. As for his time with Miami they had plenty of offensive talent yet didnt score any points. Take a look at Hue Jacksons resume and tell me he wouldnt be a far better choice than Daboll or Sparano.
Maybe Daboll is better than Cavanagh which isnt saying much but there is no way to convince me that he or Sparano were the best choices out there when guys like Todd Haley and Hue Jackson are available.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Jeez man, Colt was coached by Daboll as a rookie drafted in the 3rd round.
He wasn’t supposed to be great.
But from the start he showed confidence, ability and control of his offense.
Does Mark have a stitch of confidence to speak of right now?
Does he have any control of his offense or show any consistant ability that can be counted on?
There are some major positives to take from Daboll’s time with a young QB when you contrast them with our team and our QB. Thats all I’m saying.
Btw, I agree that he isnt “perfect for the job” Its actually the first thing I said.
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Rex
has a lot of good qualities as a head coach and he is a great defensive coach but he desperately needed to hire good offensive coaches for this team to improve. By handing over the offense to guys that have terrible track records rex is basically trusting his future to guys who are terrible at what we do.
Woody is a very reactionary owner with little patience. If this team falls flat on its face again next season because the offense fails again we will most likley be looking for a new head coach. I really like rex and want him to succeed but he wont because we have not improved our offensive staff.
The thing is Rex doesn't make any hiring and firing decisions.
The Jets aren’t going to turn over the reigns to a young, inexperienced head coach. The Broncos did that with McDaniels and we saw how that worked out.
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I don't know anything about Daboll as a QB coach
but Miami fans don’t think much of him as an OC so that makes me nervous. I’m also not too keen on getting another one of Miami’s left overs.
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where are their heads
How can the jets be remotely interested in Daboll? Doesn’t the FO look in to track records like we do, or is it a money issue, he must be cheap. So far I’m very skeptically going into next season.
Any QB coach
Right now I’m willing to have a new QB coach no matter what, I don’t want to be redundant but in another post I said if its true that Young and Dilfer commented that they see a flaw in Sanchez’s throwing motion and our OC and QB coach never saw that after 3 yrs then they look real stupid. I read even Sanchez said, “really I’ll have to look at that.” How stupid does that make the Jets look if that flaw is true.
Time for new blood and maybe whoever we get will help Sanchez not matter who they are. Of course the fins fans aren’t happy they got their asses handed to them this year but the guy Daboll did a pretty good job for what they had. I’m ready for a change, I feel its what we need.
Here's a thought
This hiring is only a speculation so why don’t we all stop tearing each other apart over something that hasn’t happened yet? Just a thought.
All we can do is speculate
but Daboll has been rumored as has Cavanagh being kept. Since we have heard haley is out and Hue Jackson hasnt even been mentioned it is time to be nervous.
I apologize if I have seemed over the top in regards to Sparano and Daboll but I really think they both suck and really want to see this offense improve. As one of the only Sanchez fans around here I was hoping he would get a fresh start with some good offensive coaches and it upsets me to see this organization drop the ball once again. Lets remember that the last time we have had a good offense was 1998 and its really time to turn that around.
Hopefully these rumors are false and we hire either Haley or Jackson because we really need some offensive coaches with solid track records.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I like Mark too
But i think it’s at least worth giving Sparano a chance. I have reservations about him too, but he’s said all the right things, and rex likes what he brings to the table. I am more worried about Dabol and i’m just trying to stay positive somehow. Honestly, i’d rather have Cav, Mark made a lot improvement between years 1 and 2, maybe a full offseason can help him out.
It's a bad time to be objective right now Darshv3
The only kind of comments that are guaranteed to not get you an argument are-
“This team sucks!” and “These Coaches are morons”
Anything else and you run the risk of facing the resistance of the majority.
Face it. We went 8 and 8 and the general fanbase turned into Rob Schenider from “The water Boy”
We Suck AGAIN! CUT HIS FU@&ING HEAD OFF!!!!
It’ll get better. Stick it out and keep it up. Your doing a great job fighting the good fight. lol
If we do hire him, it's a serious reflection on Tanny and the FO and an indication that they have lost it.
Perhaps this is what happens when you let a money guy handle the personnel. I’m really hoping it’s not the case though.
What the fuck the FO is thinking?!!?
Why haven’t we brought in Hue Jackson? Clements, people with success!? Why is it we are trying to move forward, but hiring coaches from a team that had a poor offense. You see what Miami is doing, hiring the OC from Green Bay, they are trying to build success. If Rex don’t know much about getting a competent OC or an offense of a team that YOUR THE HEAD COACH OF, maybe he isn’t right for the job. Build yourself around success. Not incompetance!!
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