Some thoughts on the offseason
by darshv3 on Jan 20, 2012 8:07 PM EST
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-Rex didn't seem too optimistic when asked about leonhard in his conference call. I have a feeling he won't be back. This makes safety and even bigger question mark heading into next season. It looks like we may have little choice but to draft one in the first, which means we may end up with Barron after all, which I can't say i'm particularly happy with.
-Cimini made an interesting point in a chat today: Sparano likes to have two powerful running backs to work with (like when he had Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams). Well, we've got Shonn Greene already, he's good. I don't think Joe Mcknight is really that kind of running back though, so we may actually draft a Running Back fairly early. Obviously a lot of us like Trent Richardson, but more realistic names for the second or third round include Lamar Miller, David Wilson, and Chris Polk. I still want pass rushers in the first few rounds, but I feel like one of those 3 names, or someone else similair, could be in green and white next year.
-Speaking of pass rushers, these other positions that have come up create a possibility of us, yet again, not taking a good pass rushing outside linebacker. Then again we finished 8th in sacks in 2010 mostly by just blitzing, so i guess they figured it wasn't a huge issue. Not the case this year, we finished in the bottom half in the league in said category. This will certainly be an interesting topic of debate: pass rusher or safety...
-Rex said in one of his interviews (i've lost track) that he expects some new backup quarterbacks, and that even though he doesn't see the need to light a fire under sanchez, friendly competition is always good. Looks like we're gonna see some new faces behind Mark.
-Rex also hinted at the need of a deep threat and praised Braylon. He didn't directly state intentions to resign him, but I'll take that, it eliminates another area of need. Although i gotta be honest, I'd like to see Nick Toon with us for the sentimental aspect.
-Rex said he really liked the kind of offense that sparano wants to run, since Tony gave him some info on what the offense would be like, including plays and verbage, and thought the team could thrive under it. I don't think Rex really ever wanted an offensive mastermind, but he wanted to establish a physical, aggressive identity. Sounds good to me, but it's still a bit of a gamble since sparano has little experience in calling plays.
-Rex mentioned that he tried a different coaching style, and felt like needed to be more of a figurehead, stereotypical head coach. He's owning up to all his mistakes, which is a good thing, we just need to get this team back to what it was in 09 and 10. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
-I can't wait to see what Wilkerson can do with a full offseason and nfl strength training program. I feel like he's gonna be a monster. Kenrick Ellis seems very promising too. anyone agree?
-Cimini also mentioned in his chat that not only would plax not be brought back, but he won't even wanna come back...honestly, I don't blame him.
-If Bart's on the way out, who's gonna replace him? No beat writer seems to have answered that.
-I would assume the team is doing Cortland camp again, which could solve some of the unity and focus problems we had this season. I think training camp is underrated. The players even mentioned that it just wasn't the same this year at the facility.
-Speaking of two running backs, Cedric Benson anyone? Just a thought.
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It is a rare safety that is worth a first round pick
Safeties can be found later. Kerry Rhodes was a 4th rounder.
I think darren sharper was a second rounder
It’s just that safety has become such a big hole recently that the FO may be desperate to do something about it.
I doubt it. If they were desperate, then they would sooner sign a free agent.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Polumalu was the 16th overall pick and Ed Reed was the 24th overall pick
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
But they are exceptional players
It is rare to find such quality as S. There is no-one is this draft in the class of Polumalu and Reed
They'll probably try to break Ellis in a bit more next season
Wilk was hardly a downgrade from Shaun Ellis, and Wilk was a rookie from temple with no offseason that was thrown into a starting role from day 1. Imagine how good he can be!
Pretty spot on.
I agree that no matter how many people deny it, running back in the first round is very possible. I think that if Trent Richardson were able to fall to us, we could end 2012 with two 1000 yard rushers. I am looking forward to seeing what Tony Sparano could do with our running backs considering he had a very productive rushing attack with Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown, neither of whom were starting caliber backs.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ricky williams was pretty sick
but yeah, ronnie brown was meh. and i don’t want any 1st round back unless richardson falls to us. Depending on how things fall into place i don’t think i’d mind one of those other backs i mentioned in the 2nd or 3rd.
Just to clarify
Williams was sick at the beginning of his career. In his tenure with the Dolphins he was just ok as a complimentary back. Ronnie Brown showed this year that he is not a starting caliber back, so the fact the Sparano was able to get anything out of him is pretty remarkable.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Shonn Greene and Trent Richardson, with Joe McKnight behind them, fascinates me. It’d be extremely interesting to see that combination in an ’09 style offense, with Sanchez making less rookie mistakes. Fascinating. Could be a winning combination.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Its supposed to be a deep draft for RBs
So if they already have an experience starter in Shonn G, then we could get another possibly dependable guy to spell Shonn in the 4th or later. Especially if they are just looking for a bruiser without worry of hands, for example.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
honestly
I’d love to see us get david wilson in the second or third (provided we can fill our other needs somehow). Imagine his speed and shonn greene’s bruising power, with a little taste of Joe Mcknight.
that being said
I still think we can get by with Shonn and Joe. We’ll see how this pans out. I just have a gut feeling that we’re gonna draft another back.
I think there is likely guys even lower that could help out in the mix
In addition to Toon’s kid we could get Megget’s kid too
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Also, we could run a 2 TE, 2 Back set with McKnight
Then split McKnight out wide, bring a TE in to HBack and run it some with Connor
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is
i feel like he’d be too expensive though
He might want to be a full time starter. He can be a really good one too.
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by jets4life24 on Jan 21, 2012 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is literally no reason why we shouldn't get Trent Richardson in the draft.
If he’s out there.
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
Honestly, I kinda feel like if we got Richardson, we should trade Greene immediately for a pick
Because he would be pissed and it would be bad for the locker room. It would mean we are obviously not re-signing him next year when he becomes a FA.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, even though I said it, I don't like it
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't wanna trade greene either
he’s a good back, I feel like if we actually committed to the run when it was working and run blocked more consistently he could be a 1200-1300, maybe even 1400 yard running back.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I Disagree
I can name several.
One, he may be the BPA, but doesn’t fit a glaring need. Two, some team will covet him and the Jets can hopefully trade down and possibly acquire multiple picks. Three, the Jets’ most glaring needs are at OLB and RT, along with S. Since there isn’t an Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu in this draft, it shouldn’t be a S, unless Markelle Martin shoots up the draft boards following the Combine and the Jets think he has the potential to become a player in the mold of Reed or Polamalu. Four, they should have a great opportunity to finally address the pass rush with an excellent prospect, or if they fail to sign a FA RT, then as much as I’d hate it, they need to go RT if one of the top OT prospects is left .
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I think top LTs are round one, top RTs are round two material but I'm unable to back that up
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Generally, I Agree
and don’t even want the Jets to use a 2nd rounder on a RT, but several have mentioned a name or two of OT prospects who are likely to play RT and supposedly they have a first round grade, although as crack pointed out, it’s way too early to know that.
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I'm leaning Free Agent RT cuz I don't want another Ducasse
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
Free Agency is extremely poor at OT. People are suggesting Bell, but he is such a feeble weakling, he cannot possibly play at RT
We reached for Ducasse, but I think immediate starters like Levy Adcock, Matt Reynolds or Bobbie Massie can fall to us in R3
As Crack Said
It’s ridiculous to speculate at this point on which rounds players might be available due to the Combine, All-Star Games and Pro Days not having happened. Also, once OTs start getting drafted, there’s generally a run on them and many go higher than they were rated as teams get desperate to upgrade their OL.
It’s also ridiculous to say that rookies can come in and start well on the OL. I don’t think there’s a single OT in this draft unless it’s Kalil that is rated as highly as Bryan Bulaga was when he was in the draft. The Packers had a desperate need at OT, and still he couldn’t find the field until injuries and over half the season had passed.
Jared Gaither and Kareem McKenzie are light years better than Hunter. While McKenzie is older, he has lots of experience. Would he want to come back to the Jets after the way in which he left? Who knows?
Going into the 2012 season with a rookie starting at RT is not only akin to having Hunter starting last season, but after last season’s disaster, it would be stupid beyond belief to entrust the Jets’ offensive success in 2012 to a rookie OL. They MUST sign a FA RT. They should then draft one in the middle rounds to develop. That is the ONLY sensible course of action imo.
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Well
Gaither will be hugely expensive and has primarily be a LT, whilst McKenzie has been poor and has a dodgy knee.
The thing is our critical need is RT, and there tends to be ceiling to how high they get taken.
With Bulaga he had to get used to playing RT having had a college career at LT …. which is why I’d want Bobbie Massie who has only been a RT in college and so whose ceiling is likely limited to R3 rather than Reynolds or Adcock.
Eric Winstrom started for the Texans from the beginning after being taken in R3 and has been a strong player.
Gaither
may be prohibitively expensive. I don’t watch the Midgets, so I haven’t seen McKenzie playing poorly, nor have I read anything to that extent, but will admit it’s certainly possible. Still, I’d rather sign McKenzie and then draft a RT even as high as the 3rd round, than just depend upon the rookie quickly developing and being a solid starter. The Jets would have to be very lucky for that to happen, and how often exactly have the Jets been that lucky or good? LOL If they sign McKenzie then draft an RT somewhere in the 3rd – 5th rounds, they can compete for the starting position, of it can be said that it’s McKenzie’s job to lose, and if the rookie beats him out, so be it. At least we’d know that the Jets had pretty reliable veteran depth at RT, and not have to depend upon Hunter or Ducasse.
How would you like the Jets only drafting a rookie, then he turns out not to be ready or gets injured and then the Jets have to play either Hunter or Ducasse at RT? I wouldn’t like that at all.
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Interesting
I agree with your thoughts regarding Leonard, but HELL NO to a safety in the first round. I don’t think Barron is that good, and there’s not another S with a first round grade. I think the 2nd or 3rd round are more likely for a S and possibly (hopefully) for a RB too. I’d have no problems with Wilson or Polk, and would be excited about the Jets’ rushing attack as long as they address the RT position. I really like what I’ve seen of Markelle Martin so far, and would be excited if the Jets got him in the 2nd round.
If the Jets don’t draft an OLB in round 1, I hope Tanny and the whole freaking scouting and personnel depts. (and Rex too if he agrees with them) will be fired.
With regard to backup QB are you sure you heard correctly? If he really said new backups then that means the Jets will either keep 4 QBs or McElroy is going bye-bye. If they dump McElroy because of what he said, then I hope Rex and Tanny are fired, because it would be the height of hypocrisy.
I agree that it looks like Rex’s choice of Sparano is more about attitude and possibly discipline rather than seeking an offensive mastermind. I think he wanted someone who he know would feel more comfortable running the ball rather than throwing it.
I’m glad Plax won’t be back. i never wanted him in the first place.
I would be shocked if Scott is cut. If they cut him, they may not be signing ANY FAs because of the dead money hit they’ll take on the cap.
No to Cedric Benson or any FA RB. In all likelihood, they aren’t gonna have much to spend in FA. IMO, their priorities in FA should be (although the case could be made that the first four of those needs are equal:
1) RT
2) S (preferably a FS who excels in coverage)
3) Braylon Edwards
4) Cheap veteran QB
5) Versatile OG/C if Turner won’t be back
6) Good Blocking TE
7) OLB
8) ILB
9) RB only if Powell isn’t gonna contribute
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Maybe a new 2 or 3 and one on the practice squad
If he really said new backups then that means the Jets will either keep 4 QBs or McElroy
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
in regards to your comments about the quarterbacks
brunell and o’connell have a good chance of being canned. and yeah, none of us want scott cut, he’s not the player he used to be for sure, but it would create another area of need and dead money. That’s really just been a rumor spread around by the beat writers. And yeah, just cross your fingers for an outside backer in round 1.
Not canned, they are free agents
brunell and o’connell have a good chance of being canned
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
by that i meant they won't be back
i just typed that up really quickly, i’m aware they’re FAs
my choices
1) RT – difficult as Free Agency is weak – Vernon Carey of the Dolphins maybe?
2) S – Tyvon Branch SS
3) No to Brandon Edwards, I’d sign Marques Colston of the Saints instead
4) Jason Campbell if cheap enough or Brady Quinn
5) Mike Pollak, Colts
6) difficult to find a pure blocking TE, most free agents are receivers. I like Carlson of the Seahawks though
7) Trevor Scott, Raiders
8) Dan Connor, Panthers
9) Kalil Bell, Bears who makes yards after contact
My preferred solutions anyway
Disagree
There is no way the Jets can afford to sign Marques Colston. The Jets need a FS 10x more than they do a SS. While Branch is a good player, someone like Griffin or Nelson would make a much bigger impact and address a glaring need.
I’d like Campbell, but seriously doubt if the Jets could afford him, and even if they could, it would mean no FA S or RT, which I would not want. I like Carlson and Scott, but they are down the list of priorities, and I doubt the Jets will be able to sign those players in addition to a FS or RT, and certainly shouldn’t sign them instead of players at those positions.
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but I disagree
Colston may not be too expensive.
Brees, Nicks, Colston and Meacham all need to resigned by the Saints and they have no R1 pick so will also need to sign free agents. Colston may be the odd man out if a competitive salary is offered.
Nelson was abysmal at the Jags, whilst Griffith was poor in 2010. Its amazing how they turn it on in their contract year. Branch has maybe not been at their level but has been consistently good …. and we can draft a FS in the draft. There have been a number of FS taken who alongside an experienced SS have been exceptional – Jarius Byrd of the Bills being one example, Quinto Carver alongside Brian Dawkins at the Broncos this year another.
As I Said
the FS position is the more critical of the two and needs the more experienced player of the two. IMO, I wouldn’t want to entrust the FS position to a rookie except possibly Markelle Martin, and even with him I would have lots of reservation about it.
It doesn’t matter how many players the Saints have to re-sign. That isn’t the issue. Colston is a topflight WR and can command top dollar. He isn’t going to be cheap. The Vikings need WRs, so do half the other teams in the NFL. Think the Panthers would like to add a guy like Colston to play catch with Cam Newton? How about the Jags and getting someone for Blaine Gabbert? or the Rams for Bradford? or how about Andy Dalton in Cincy having both Green and Colston to throw to? NE with Brady. SD with Rivers (replacing the headache Vincent). Chicago for Cutler. I can think of lots of other teams who have only one really good WR and the rest are meh.
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I Think Both Brunell and O'Connell
are both goners. I’ll be shocked beyond belief if either is back in 2012 (and pissed). Neither should be back. The only reason I’d accept them back is if the team was able to sign some combination of two or more of Gaither or McKenzie at RT; Nelson, Griffin or Goldston at FS; Braylon Edwards; and a punter because they didn’t move their cheap backup QBs.
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By "Move"
I mean re-sign them cheaply.,
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This offseason will be exciting.
I think the jets are a few moves away from being a serious contender again. bringing back braylon would make our offense alot better, especially with kerley as our #3. Add o-line depth, bring in a pass rusher, safety, another WR through the draft. And we’ll be dangerous
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by jets4life24 on Jan 21, 2012 12:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Possibilities
Free Agent Running Backs we might consider include:
Michael Bush, Raiders
Peyton Hills, Browns
Mike Tolbert, Chargers
Kevin Smith, Lions
or a possible wildcard in Kalil Bell of the Bears.
Having taken a RB in the last 3 drafts, will the Jets go early on another rookie?
i think RB and QB will come into the mix in the draft
some mid round guys i really like at RB are
power back : Terrance Ganaway, RB/FB, Baylor Height: 6-0. Weight: 240. Ganaway ran for 1,547 yards (6.2 average) and 21 touchdowns in 2011 . i see him as a very interesting prospect as he can cover 2 positions ( give good squad depth ) and would be the battering ram Rex might want
3rd down back : Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati Height: 5-10. Weight: 200. Pead averaged 5.3 yards per carry with 1,259 yards rushing and 12 touchdowns. He also caught 39 passes for 319 yards and three scores. very good pass blocker and great hands . he would be a good option as a replacement for LT if the teams wants to go that way .
judging by the comments Rex made about QB i can’t see spending much money on a FA QB so maybe with the fact the texans found T J Yates in the 5th round last year , Rex could be looking for some late round value at the position
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Interesting
Whilst Pead sounds a little light, Ganaway could be the ‘Peyton Hills’ type tank we could look at. In many ways you look at those being mocked as FBs, who carried a lot in college.
Bernard Pierce of Temple is a downhill runner, but he is climbing. Mark Tyler is another 230lbs back who has improved their stock at the East-West game. Brandon Bolden of Ole Miss is of similar size
they are 2 totally different backs
if Rex wants a pounding type guy then Ganaway would bring that dimension to the team . add to the fact that he could play FB if anything happened to Connor makes him an even more interesting prospect . imagine Ganaway playing FB and Greene RB in goal line situations . it increases our chance of success in those areas .
Pead on the other hand is more of a 3rd down player that has very good pass blocking skills . if we are looking for a guy who can catch out of the back field and make people miss he is my choice .
depending on what way Rex and Tony want to develop the run game both seem to me to be very good mid/late round prospects .
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i want jeffery in green at pick 16
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I agree but
we already have that potential 3rd down back in McKnight and Powell. I think the FO would look more towards a pounder.
I really think Polk is special.
He’s the best RB in the draft besides Richardson, in my opinion. We all know James’ stock is falling and Wilson and Miller are just behind Polk, but Polk is really really REALLY promising.
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