Rex Ryan Speaks
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST
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PrintAlthough I was not privileged enough to be on the phone conference call with Rex this morning with season ticket holders, or able to hear him on WFAN with Mike Francesa, I did see some clips on Twitter that were interesting. These are all from Rich Cimini and Jenny Vrentas.
Ryan on Leonhard: "He is a quick healer but this is a serious injury. Time will tell if he is able to come back or not."
Rex praised Braylon. Although he didn't specifically say whether Jets would want him back, he underscores importance of getting deep threat.
Rex said verbiage of Schottenheimer's system was "a little much" for him to be actively involved in offense.
Ryan says Sparano offensive system has less verbiage than Schotty system, will be easier for Sanchez to handle.
Ryan: "For me to be most effective, I gotta be sitting in the classroom." More hands-on approach.
Ryan says he coached differently this year, trying to be more of a figurehead HC
Take from this what you will. At the very least, we can be happy that Rex is acknowledging his mistakes. He's still a young head coach. It took Belichick a failed attempt in Cleveland to get the hang of it. Hopefully Rex will figure it out here, but this is a good start. Here is a good article by Manish Mehta on Rex today.
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My favorite quote is:
Ryan says he will think twice before making bold comments. That’s a guarantee.
I'll Believe It
when I see it.
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I'll believe it
When I don’t hear it for a full season.
by Traveling Man on Jan 20, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
He could have done it in half.
I’m a man of few words.
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Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
knowing him yeah.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
More simplistic offense
its really hard to believe that our offense can be more simplistic than it was under Schottenheimer.
I think he said the *verbiage* would be more simplistic,
not necessarily that the offense itself would be more simplistic or obvious. I mean, the main problem I (and many of us) had about Schotty’s offensive game plan was that if we, as fans, knew what was about to happen, clearly the other team’s D did too.
If it is easier to pick up, but less predictable (or executed so well that its predictability doesn’t matter as much), then I have no problem with this. This is especially true as game plans have to change week-to-week based on who your opponent is, which means picking up new stuff. I’d rather see Sanchez not get bogged down in “verbiage” and be confident, which is when he makes the plays he needs to make, than to have the world’s most intelligent and complex system, but have it be impracticable.
The vebage to call a play not the play itself
In other words, Rex didn’t know what “Blue 4 sling right x hook 42 yellow green left” meant
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a demonstration of that call, on third down.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I was just about to write that out bobdole thank you for the visual
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It's like a dagger through the heart.
Every time.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
no I appreciate that actually, that was a much better way to show it.
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The Dolphins
are also known for throwing 5 yard passes when they are 10 yards short of a first down. Rex has to be an idiot to think that Sparano is the guy to get us scoring more points.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 20, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Sparano was not the Dolphins' OC.
And can we see what the guy’s got as OUR OC before we burn him at the stake. Judging a man as a first time HC in an organization as dysfunctional as the current Dolphins regime is more than a little unfair.
So your in a 3rd and 10 position
Any yardage is good, because for the Jets at least it should become a battle of field position.
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Sadly, maybe Sanchez WAS throwing it to McKnight
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so.
He looks like his reads are progressing from left-to-right. I’m guessing his eyes didn’t even get to McKnight when he let the throw go.
Wow not only is that a terrible call, but Sanchez has no intention of going to anybody other than Kerley.
He coulda hit McKnight for an easy conversion. Same with Burress on the other side, which is hilarious because he actually looking that way first to try to draw coverage away from Kerley. And he probably coulda squeezed it (like normal) and just locked on to Keller and got him on a catch and drag if he hit him on time off the reverse pivot.
Bad OC + Bad QB = Bad Offense
Amazing
That he had 6 effing receivers out on that play, and not one of them was past the first down marker. You can’t make this shit up!
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I also like watching Ferguson shed whoever their DE is and toppling Wilfork in the process.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 21, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Schitty's Offensive Offense
wasn’t simple. It was complex, with all the pre-snap motions, formations and reads,and all the gadget plays.
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exactly, it was complex to our team
and easily predictable to everyone else.
Is it because our players are dumb or opposing ones are very smart?
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I think the problem...
And it was discussed ad nauseam, isn’t that the offense itself was complex but the system was complex. Schotty has always been maligned as being “too clever.” It was an offense that relied on bullshit and gimmicks more than it did on just having your guys outplay theirs. It’s like we were more focused on trying to “outsmart” rather than “out perform.”
On top of that, you have flat out stupid shit like the above: all receivers running short of the first down. It wasn’t one guy making a bonehead mistake. It was a team running a bonehead play.
I think Schotty has what it takes to go further in this league but he wore out his welcome in these parts
I hope the change to Sparano works out, cause if it doesnt, i fear we will be in rebuild mode after 12.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
as in the play above
it’s a simple predictable play. Schotty never plays at or beyond the 1st down marker. Easy for opposing defenses to figure out. Yet, it’s complex for the Jets because it puts their players in a difficult position to get that first down.
Players are spread all over the field for Sanchez to look for an open man…albeit not past the 1st down mark. Then, receivers have to avoid a tackle and fight for that 1st down. When you can simply throw it to someone past the marker for a first down, doesn’t that sound moronic or what?
It is moronic
Plays like that might work if Schotty had beasts like Megatron or Gronk who could just drag guys past the marker but this team doesnt feature personnel like that. In the past, the Jets relied on Coles and Cotch who were great at achieving YAC, Im not sure Schotty adjusted to not having guys like that.
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Well, Rex, you clearly know what needs fixing
but you did an awful freaking job as “figurehead”, if that isn’t just an excuse.
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Rex doesnt know what needs fixing
because if he did he would have hired an offensive coordinator from a team that scores points.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
When calling plays as an OC in 2006
Sparano’s offense was one of the highest scoring in the league.
Fact.
That comment bothered me the most.
Instead of trying to be a figurehead, how about trying to be a leader.
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 21, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
good to hear that he can admit his mistakes
hopefully he will grow more this up coming season and will show a different side of himself this year
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Exactly
I’m cautiously optimistic. Rex has learned from some previous mistakes. If he keeps his yap shut in terms of predictions and the trash talk, that will be a big start in the right direction.
Hopefully, he realizes that he needs to be more of a disciplinarian and take a more disciplined approach and hold players and coaches more accountable. Hopefully, he realizes that he was wrong about the Captains thing. Captains aren’t bad when the players elect them, only when novice HCs appoint them and make horrific choices.
Hopefully, he gets in Tanny’s face regarding FA and the draft, and tells him that if he doesn’t bring in a veteran FA RT, S and Braylon he’s gonna kick his ass, and if he trades up in this draft he’s gonna kick his ass. Hopefully, he also tells Tanny that he’d better get him at least one if not two good OLB pass rushing prospects in this draft or he’s gonna kick his ass.
Hopefully, you will learn about offense and become more involved in leading and coaching the entire team, and not just the D.
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by joeklecko on Jan 20, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he keeps his yap shut in terms of predictions and the trash talk, that will be a big start in the right direction.
I really don’t think that’s the problem. The best game this team has played for him, last year’s Playoffs against the Pats, was also the week the team was at its most obnoxious.
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I like the trash talk.
But not the predictions.
Especially when the Jets are on a losing streak, hearing “playoffs, playoffs, playoffs” just makes me cringe.
I think there’s a distinction. It’s obnoxious, sure. I don’t think it really has a ton of impact on what happens on the field, though.
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This game is tough enough to succeed at without giving your opponents x-tra incentive to
stomp on you.
by Putnan Prince on Jan 20, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I really agree with that whole angle. This is the NFL. Everybody is going to give you all they’ve got on most weeks.
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I think it really depends...
There are certain things a coach can say that will motivate the opponents. Personal attacks are always a bad idea for instance and I’m not going to pretend that because these guys are professionals that they don’t react. Don’t think for one moment that when we played the Patriots in the playoffs last year that there wasn’t some serious emotion fueling that play (and I tend to think that’s why the Steelers ran all over us a week later—we were spent).
There’s the saying “fake it till you make it” and I think Rex’s talk can do that too.
What I find most annoying about Ryan’s talk is that fans seem to love it when we’re winning and hate it when we’re losing.
I Read Today or Yesterday
That some players on others teams said that it fired them up and made them want to shut down the Jets more to shut Rex up. Rex himself admitted that he’s quite possibly making things harder on his team because he’s painting a target on their backs. I tend to agree that it would make things harder for the team.
IMO it’s also low rent and he sounds like an effing doofus to me when he does it. He should let his players play on the field in games do the talking and leave the predictions and smack talk to the fans and media.
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Well said (as always)
I think that the changes that he needs to make are obvious, and they are out in the open. If he makes them, I still think that he has the capability to be a great coach for this organization.
If not….then he won’t last. I hope that he realizes these things and does what he has to do. The honeymoon period ended….abruptly. Now it’s time to go to work.
And I think that he will, and I’m going on record as saying that I think that he is the right coach for this team and that we are going to have a good year this year.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 20, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I also think that Rex inadvertently makes Jets fans a target, too.
I know Jets fans tend to talk a pretty good game, but when you’re losing and your coach is still predicting Super Bowl, it fires up the opposition’s fans, too. I don’t mind trash talk focused at a single game – as a fan, I might say some of the same things to the people we’re up against. But the end-of-year predictions make it hard to walk around in a Jets jersey and not get taunted for failing to meet (what have consequently become) expectations based on Rex’s “predictions.”
Can I handle it? Sure. Would it be nice not to have to? Most certainly.
I love it. Let the haters hate.
It makes it so much better when we win.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
People talking crap about the Jets when they lose predates Rex by quite a bit.
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People talking crap about the Jets predates Rex quite a bit.
FTFY.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
anybody actually listen to the interview?
i really shouldve…..
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
getting closer and closer to be Fat Vader
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I did
Thought Rex did a really good job of countering Mike. Mike was trying to bait him and Rex wouldn’t bite.He basically really put everything on himself and vowed to make changes both with his coaching style and with the team.
by chrebetsthebet on Jan 20, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
At work and missed the interview, but will listen to it later
Can’t wait to see how awkward it was. I’m not the biggest Fran fan, but I actually enjoy his snippy questioning. I love Joe & Evan, but I wish they’d challenge the Jets more in interviews.
If He's going to be hands on again
and less of a figurehead THEN you can say he learned his lesson. Time will tell.
BTW, A little tired of haring Bill Belichick “failed” in Cleveland. That was a bankrupt organization that had this year as one of the 4 he coached:
CLE 1994 11 5 0 .688 2nd in AFC Central Playoffs W1 L1 .500
Lost to Pittsburgh Steelers in AFC Divisional Game
I can assure most of us wanted Bill Belichick as our coach, when he dumped us like a bad habit because Parcells couldn’t let go of his perceived “controlled success” over Belichick and wouldn’t leave the Jets totally, leaving the team to Bill B totally.
We all wanted Bill even with that “supposedly bad” stint in Cleveland, because newsflash with what Cleveland was going through, and where Bill took them it was surely a successful short stint without putting W and L blinders on.
I didn't want Belichick
I thought he was an awful coach in Cleveland, and all his success at the time was from being under Parcells. I was out of my mind happy when the Pats gave up what they did to get him as a coach.
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Shotty O:
Shotty’s was always trying to trick the D with his complicated shifts and motions and all it did was confuse the offense. When something worked, he never ran the play again b/c I think he was trying to trick the D. Sometimes in football you just hit the guy in front of you and that is the way the Jets are built. Also, never thought Shotty adjusted play calling to the game. He had a plan and stuck to it whether it worked or not and never saw the Jets getting match-ups that favor the O. Saints do it, Gbay and NE do it. Shotty just ran the plays without thought to match-ups. Happy with the change to Tony S.
Ryan says Sparano offensive system has less verbiage than Schotty system, will be easier for Sanchez to handle.
I don’t think its true, but don’t you feel like this will get misconstrued to Schotty’s system was too complex, i.e. smart for Sanchez and they had to dumb it down?
Sounds ridiculous
and it does make it sound like sanchez isnt smart enough to handle Schottenheimers playbook. Give me a coordinator that knows how to call plays and a QB coach that knows how to get the best out of Sanchez and I will be happy. Unfortunately Sparano is not a real accomplished playcaller and the QB coach will most likely remain Cavanagh or the equally inept Daboll.
It just makes no sense how we have handled Sanchez. By picking him with the 5th pick in the draft we made a huge commitment to Sanchez financially as well as in theory. We also should have known that Mark only started one season in college and would need top notch coaching to get the best out of him. This is why it is so crazy to put our prized QB in the hands of guys like Schotty, Cavanagh, and Sparano. If we always had the intention of running a conservative offense there was no reason to waste a high pick on a QB.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 20, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+ a gizillion (sp?)
If all we want is to run, run, run, play action, run, run, run, run….why the investment in a
by GangGreenGol4 on Jan 20, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
(arghh...posted early)
one year starter early in the first round?
And, why the lack of a real professional QB guru to help him out?
Hello!
by GangGreenGol4 on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
It Doesn't Sound Ridiculous to Me
Schotty’s system is known as being complex. No one ever says that his system is simple. Also, I don’t think that Sanchez is the sharpest pencil in the box, which makes your other comments spot on, and I rec’d them. It was ludicrous to trade up for a QB who had only one year of starting experience and his college coach said he wasn’t ready for the NFL, and equally ludicrous to entrust his development to a QB coach who was a lousy NFL QB and had never successfully developed a QB and an OC who had never successfully developed a QB as a QB coach and who had a complex system that required a smart, experienced QB.
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Bret Farve had asked shotty to tone it down a bit.
All that verbaige for what, out routes and curls? The madden plays could get better yardage than shottys playbooks.
I think its like...
One phrase calls the personel package, another calls the way they line up, another the routes. Then they are linked together with other phrase for motions and audibles.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I also saw a twitter of the conference call that he and Tanny had with season ticket holders.
Tanny said that the Safety position was one of our weaknesses and we will have that addressed.
Here is the quote.
Tannenbaum: “We haven’t taken a day off since the season ended. Where did we fall short? Safety position is one.” #nyj
by Vegas Jets Fan on Jan 20, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Good catch.
Missed it. Thanks!
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Riley.
Hopefully Sparano’s offense will use Eron Riley. He can be Palxico’s replacement. He’s 6"3 and is really fast, he can definitely stretch the field.
we did
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ah for some reason I thought someone signed him off our PS
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"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
If Putnan Prince owned the Jets he would have considered firing Rex after he admitted he tried to use
a figurehead style of coaching instead of a hands on approach which is why he was HIRED! This and admitting he lost the "Pulse"of the team which means he lost control of his players and coaches gives reason to be wary of his coaching going forward.
Nice use of the third person.
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This conference was a lot more satisfying than the last one
I like what Rex said, seems like he’s ready to learn from his mistakes. And it sounds like Mike T is ready to make some noise in the offseason.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 20, 2012 8:49 PM EST reply actions
Good on Both Accounts, IF
Rex actually learns and corrects his mistakes, and Tanny’s noise is by making shrewd moves in FA, with the team’s cap, and in trading DOWN in the draft yet still finding excellent prospects in almost every round of the draft rather than trading up or trying to make a big splash by signing a big-name, big-ticket FA that precludes signing any other FAs to address needs.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tyler
I watched the Francesca interview on YES and thought he seemed to be talking down to Rex
Rex did a nice job giving all the right answers. This has to be the most interesting Jets offseason Ive ever seen, hope it all works out.
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Nothing new here
Francesa talks down to all his guests.
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Two years ago, IMO, was more exciting. Getting LT, Cromartie… it was all very exciting.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
That one was more exciting, this one is more interesting
Kinda like a bad wreck on the side of the road, you just cant look away.
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by YankeesJets on Jan 21, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Jan 21, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
True dat.
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