Biggest Off-Season Move is Internal Change
I don't just mean changing the coaching staff or the playing staff but changing the way this teams acts and behaves. Internal combustion is the aspect of this season that we should all be worried about. Holmes may have been the oxidising element which caused the explosion but the team were doomed from the start, there is a big broom at the Jets compound which has been busy sweeping the problems under the rug.
Tim Smith of the NY Daily News had it spot on this morning with this article; where he comments:
This goes to the core of what the Jets were under Ryan this year — dysfunctional underachievers. Forget about being a playoff caliber team. The Jets were never a team. They were an assemblage of talented pieces who went out with a decent game plan on most weeks and were fortunate to win as many as they lost.
That's the whole problem right there, this isn't a team at all, it's a dysfunctional selection of players who want to look after number one. Team building, team bonding and open lines of communication will be what this off-season needs to be about.
I'm confident that no team in the league has a 53 man roster who all get on, skipping through fields of daisies holding hands humming I'm so pretty (at least I hope not). However you need to learn how to coexist. Rex preaches the one goal of a Superbowl championship but is enough being done to promote a united team that is capable of reaching that goal?
I still think Rex is a great head coach, but his whole if I don't say we are going to win the Superbowl then I am a loser, and if you don't like it you are a loser thing is beyond ridiculous. Ask Bill Belichick if he is a loser, he has three Superbowl rings without a bold proclamation in training camp. How about Mike McCarthy fresh off a Championship...nope didn't think so. I think the team is reflecting the Head Coaches attitude right now, and for me that is not the best thing.
Early in the season you hear of players going to Rex to complain about the offensive game plan of Schotty, and I stress the plural of players. I would hate to think what happened in team meetings this year after going through losses. The bottom line is I think there is a serious shortfall internally with the organisation in regards to team building.
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We're all just fans on this site. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes
Rex Ryan is a terrific coach. He does it the right way, and he doesn’t throw guys under the bus. Remember last year the Jets were on hard knocks? Do you remember guys coming in late and eating cheeseburgers on the sideline in practice? Do you remember Rex cursing them out for being dumbasses and unprofessional? Do you remember him reaming them for playing and having fun, but also honoring the game of football?
Why would you think a guy that is having team meetings for the way a team behaves in practice, not say anything to guys for the way they behave during the season, on or off the field. The answer is he wouldn’t. Rex has probably been in Holmes ear, and Burress’s ear all year. He has given his offensive coordinator the freedom, the rope, the room, the leverage to coach his players the way he sees fit. Rex is a smart guy, he wouldn’t be a head coach if he wasn’t. He won’t make public comments on what he’s done with Shottenheimer, or anyone else on this team, but don’t believe he has let players just do what they want. If anything, a brief glimpse into the locker room on hard knocks showed you that.
Maybe if Rex stopped telling his team they’re going to be Super Bowl champions, they wouldn’t be going so crazy pointing fingers after every loss. I also don’t buy the talent aspect. This was a flawed team, nowhere as talented as they thought they were. No pass rush, awful safeties, no depth on defense, and that was the strong part of the team! All pros on the O line, teamed with a non NFL caliber Wayne Hunter. Slow wide receivers with a QB who is flat out dumb. Special teams were led by two lousy kickers and punt returners that can’t catch the ball. Very overrated. As bad as they were, the coaching and GM were worse. Tanny needs to improve this off season or he’ll be next year’s Schotty.
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by rxmeister on Jan 2, 2012 8:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
ESPN have us drafting at No16
If we decided to trade down to say No26, then the traditional draft value chart would mean a No58 would need to be offered. Our 2nd rounder is No48 and our 3rd rounder is No80
With the draft being deep in such positions as WR, S, RT, and 3-4 OLB we could trade down and fill all four needs by the end of Day2
No26
No48
No58
No80
if …………
nooo! we stay as high as possible, don't wanna be other teams that sort out dirty laundry
by MetalVagabond on Jan 2, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree
An extra 2nd rounder would be outstanding:
The following players being mocked as low as the bottom end of the 2nd round include
Mark Barron SS
Robert Lester FS
Nick Toon WR
Levy Adcock RT
Nick Foles QB
whilst at No26, we can still look at OLBs like Brandon Jenkons, RTs like Mike Adams, and WRs like Mohamed Sanu
This is a deep draft especially at the positions we need .
Personally I’d draft
26. Mohamed Sanu WR …. able to be a No1 WR
48. Vinny Curry OLB …. a 6.4 rusher with 11 senior sacks
58. Nick Toon WR … son of Al and a 6.3 possession receiver able to make the tough catches
80. Trumaine Johnson FS …. 6.2 with 4.50 speed
I am so sick of hearing about Curry
no offense to you, its just everyone says trade back and get him, but you know what people say he’s a project. i don’t need another 2nd round project on this team. I need people who can play the damn game.
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Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
I was taking him with our own R2 ... not trading back to take him
apart from Courtney Upshaw of Alabama, all of the 3-4 OLBs are project – and I am not sure if Upshaw will be an effective pass rusher in the NFL?
I want to trade back to allow us to get some decent WR targets for Sanchez rather the constant series of retreads.
This will also allow us to use our R3 for a S which we need.
RT is a need but as Ducasse is slowly moving in the right direction I’d rather not give up on him so quickly especially with the money also invested in Hunter.
sorry I was reading down and I thought you were with the trade back sorry man.
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"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
I liked Vinny Curry too, just because he's strong
And he plays like a man among boys. He pushes, or tosses 300lb tackles aside just about every other play. He’s not a speed rusher. He’s a 3-4 bull rushing beast. He plays like James Harrison. Looks like he’s 10x stronger than you, and he’s going to run you over or knock you out to make a play on the quarterback.
Then I saw Brandon Jenkins from Florida State. I love that guy. Truth be told, if the Jets got 2 of them with the first 2 picks I wouldn’t be mad. Jenkins plays with an attitude, like he’s mad at the offense for being on the field. He hits quarterbacks and hurts them. He hits running backs and they leave the game. The current Jets linebackers are laid back, outside of Bart Scott. They could use both of these guys.
Agreed ... to a point
But I think Maybin will come good and add to Curry, that makes a nice pair. If we could add a younger player like Trevor Scott of the Raiders, who has played both on the line and in the LBs, then that would be a nice trio.
I think we need to look at the targets for Sanchez. If Burress is testing the market, Holmes being a prima donna, then two talented WR for the team would be great.
If Sanchez couldn’t make full use of them, then any new QB coming in in 2013 would have a great WR pair to work with.
Underacheivers?
I’m pretty sure this team’s been over achievers under Rex Ryan.
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The Jets really did this to themselves. IMO when they lost Shaun Ellis, Kris Jenkins, JCo, and Woody, the Jets lost their leaders, I’d even put Braylon in the list. Braylon always let his playing do his talking. These guy’s where the heart and soul of the Jets last year. If you look at this years team who did the Jets have Scott, Sanchez and Holmes, please one is a loud mouth, Tone is a Diva and, Sanchez isn’t really qualified yet.
This.
I also think they miss James Ihedibo on special teams.
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I think back when a player asked to be either let go or traded that was the “TELLING” sign of Locker-room Issues….whenever a Player who had a decent yr the yr b/4 is asking this Something is A-MISS with that teams makeup!!!!..“NIKOLAIC” said it best.REX is too BUDDY-BUDDY with His player;s, He fails to call them OUT or being held accountable!!!!..there are too many ME-ME players with-in that locker room!!!!
but I also think Coaching Staff beginning with REX has failed to teach a QB!! REX is all in 100% of Sanchez.keeps saying He will get better.well after 3 yrs someone has Missed the BOAT in TEACHING HIM to read a DEF-Coverage!!!! His INT;s and pick-6 Prove that out 100%…
You can not have this type of insubordination on a team , by a so called captain. I blame Rex for not recognizing that he is not a leader, but i blame Holmes for being an over payed over hyped average receiver that acts like a jackass. HOLMES, IS NOT THE PROBLEM ON THE TEAM., he is a symptom of the internal leadership problem. I hate the Patriots as much as all of you here, but they would deal with this crap swiftly. We stripped this team of veteran leadership with the hope that these young guys would pick it up, but it has backfired.
Rex is an excellent X's and O's guy on defense but his personnel decisions are horrible.
Wilson, Vlad, Smith, Sanchez, Powell, Hunter, Holmes came under his watch. Can you imagine what a Rex-assembled team would look like if he didn’t inherit Revis, Mangold, Brick or Harris?
You do realize he doesn't have a say in drafting right?
He gets 1 pick a year, and I’m pretty sure that was only after his first year. He got Connor and I think it was Kerley or Powell.
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Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
Also Wilson vastly improved since last year.
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"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
We got a #1 pick playing nickel. You want to hang your hat on that?
by DesertJetFan on Jan 2, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I do, Cro ain't perfect but he can be pretty great at times.
So when your depth at corner holds 3 #1 yeah I can say I will hang my hat and your pessimism on it.
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Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
Put it on top of my realism and your blind optimisim then.
by DesertJetFan on Jan 2, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not blind, but I'm sure as shit not gonna crap on my team the way you have.
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"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
The season is over. The time for cheering is over. Now it's time for change.
That’s how the off season works pal.
by DesertJetFan on Jan 2, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
You're telling me he has no say on how his team is assembled?
by DesertJetFan on Jan 2, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Draft-wise no, I'm sure he gets his input, but he doesn't have final decision.
He gets one pick to himself.
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Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
Now he's fucking CRYING and BEGGING in team speeches. This guy is a fucking fraud.
by DesertJetFan on Jan 2, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
how do you call a new coach a fraud when he's got 33 wins in his first 50 games
If you include playoffs, this guy is at a 66% winning percentage or so. I might be off by a game or so, but I still think 66% winning percentage for a brand new NFL head coach is more than fair. To call him a fraud is like complaining about getting Lebron James on your team. He hasn’t won the big one, but that doesn’t mean he’s not good.

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