Who are we, and is it good?
Schitty's out of the picture, Thank GOD! And as all of us know, we're nowhere near ready to hit the field. But before we even look at the on-field product, we have to ask ourselves who we are, and if we even like it.
For the first two years, the bold, brash style that Ryan brought to the Jets was fresh and invigorating. It gave new life and identity to a team that was in desperate need of one. In his first two seasons, his outspoken ways were seen as a big reason for the teams success: he was a player's coach, a guy who you would put your butt on the line for, because he would do it for you. When the team hit the field, you could see them playing with the same passion that Rex brought every day. Those first two seasons, were everything a jets fan could hope for: we reached two AFC Championship games, and established ourselves as a premier defense.
This past season, and more recently, these past few weeks however, have begun to clear a bit, the opacity of the locker room. Rex at the post season press conference pointed primarily to his inability to get in touch with the vibe of the team, as the reason the team underperformed. However, if we step back from all of the yelling and screaming coming from the clubhouse, it all becomes clear; there is too much slack. Rex is a fun-loving character who wants his players to be themselves, but when they make "mistakes", and those "mistakes" are not punished thoroughly, they realize there is no leash only a dog collar. Santonio Holmes plays the role of the pit bull in this analogy. His disruptive, and egomaniacal attitude was never contained. Instead rather he was allowed the luxuries of a captain badge, and a top salary contract. It becomes hard not to think that with such freedoms will create the occasional player that will manipulate and exploit the system. This time it was Holmes, but with the way the front office decides to conduct business, we could be dealing with another bone-headed playmaker ready to take Holmes' spot.
The real story here, is that this is on Rex. It isn't on Schotty, it isn't on Sanchez, it isn't even on Holmes. Rex needs to learn that bold and brash aren't expressed through smack-talk, and second chances, but can be shown on the field, in the way you hit, run, block, pass, dive, everything. In the press conference, Ryan said that he wants to stay true to himself as a coach. But if "staying true" to yourself means being unwilling to change to win, then there will have to be some changes made for him. It's not about pride, it's not about winning your way, it's about winning, PERIOD.
I leave you on this note. Is this the type of team you want to root for?
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I dunno. I think you lost me on the point here.
Smack talk didn’t lose this year. Heck, there wasn’t even that much talk. The defense took a step back and the offense remained the same. So the Jets went 8-8. Does Rex need to change? I mean, I guess some things. But its not smack-talk, thats not the number one issue. The number one issue is the offense has to function more smoothly. If the offense functions more smoothly, the team wins more games, Holmes is happier, and perhaps they don’t have a clubhouse rift.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Eh. Lets not overthink things.
We took a step back because Hunter stunk, our safeties stunk, and our coaches were terrible at adapting to adversity on both sides of the ball.
by Crackback on Jan 19, 2012 7:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
What we are is an 8-8 team who IMO got too fat on reading their own press clippings the past 2 years
It was more than just the safety spot, or Schottenheimer, or Wayne Hunter. Our receivers didn’t make plays, our QB didn’t make plays, we have no speed on the interior of the defense, we have no major pass rushers, our Pro Bowl left tackle took a big step backwards, our run game didn’t make an impact outside of a few games, and our QB was a roller coaster all year. We need to add to the talent base on the team, it can’t be all scheme based like the past 2 seasons.
When I look at this team objectively without the rose colored glasses of a fan....
I see a team virtually devoid of playmakers or players that could be playmakers underutilized. The “skill” players, besides Revis and Cro are small and/or slow and the coaches did a great job just getting them to .500 IMO.
This team needs size AND speed. I don’t want to see any more 1st round picks going to undersized guys like Wilson, he’s getting better with his cover skills, but his size will always be a problem.
1st rounders should be playmakers and not projects
by GangGreen73 on Jan 19, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Tann approves of Rex so they are the same.
I dont think the Jets are far from being good again . But for that to happen QB or WR need to go .

thats kinda funny.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Invest in a divorce mediator.
I’m serious. Sit these guys down with someone who’s part deal broker, part therapist, and find a way for them to co-exist.
As they say, “we only hurt the ones we truly love.”
I honestly think getting rid of Schotty – whose methods and playcalling had Mark enamored, and Holmes seething – might go a long way. If Mark is having his feet held to the fire by Sparano and whoever comes in as QB coach, and the playcalling fits the Jets’ (and Holmes’s) scheme better, I really don’t know that two dudes can’t just bump fists and say “let’s get this GD Super Bowl, and then go eat a snack.”
Sometimes u need to step back to move forward.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
The reason we regressed this year has alot to do with the final four rules that hand cuffed us...
Unless I’m wrong the Jets were the only team to have that imposed upon them for both years it was in effect. If you combine that with a draft or two where we went all in on 3 or four guys it creates the perfect storm for regression. We couldn’t go out and dign free agents to fill our holes and we didn’t have any developed players waiting in the wings to take over.
We had to plug in career back ups and hope they got the job done for us. They did not…both Wayne Hunter and Eric smith single handedly lost us games this year and had their hands in loosing us many others. Now that the final four rule has been lifted expect us to begin to pick up the pieces and get back to form.
by RhodesRocks on Jan 19, 2012 3:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That's a Crock
Did it hurt? Yes, to some extent, but to suggest that it was the reason the team regressed this year is ridiculous. Tanny had the time and money to pursue Nnamdi last season, didn’t he? He could have addressed holes instead, or focused on re-signing some of the team’s own who were let go. He could have perhaps signed Jonathan Joseph who may be as good as Nnamdi and better than Cro.
To say that he couldn’t address the OL is flat out wrong. Turner didn’t go down until the first exhibition game. There were quality veteran FA OL available. Tanny was just stupid, arrogant or both and thought the Jets could get by with Hunter and Schlauderaff. He had an opportunity to draft a S and didn’t. That had nothing to do with the final four rules. Your logic couldn’t be more flawed.
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To suggest that our team wasn't hurt greatly by being restricted by the final four rules is crazy..
If you notice I also said we were hurt by the two drafts where we had only a few picks. Between those two factors we really hurt ourselves whether you like it or not. Cro dod more than fine this year so I have no problem with his signing. Going after Nnamdi was stupid but the 10 day off-season was really an unprecedented event. The FA tackle pool was pretty much gone by the time turner went down. There wasn’t really any big name Tackles
by RhodesRocks on Jan 20, 2012 8:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I Didn't Say It Wasn't Hurt
but I think “greatly” is a gross overstatement and to say it is responsible for the team regressing is what is crazy and totally wrong.
You know what? The other teams in the NFL also had the same 10-day off season limitations as the Jets, and many of them managed to make out ok. They didn’t waste 90% of their time going after one player who didn’t address a hole/need, but was rather the HC’s wet dream.
Turner has nothing to do with the FA tackle pool since he doesn’t play OT, but rather C and OG. The Jets didn’t have any veteran depth at either C or OG when he went down. Their solution was to trade for Schlauderaff and bring in the UDFA Baxter. In terms of who were the quality FA OL who the Jets could have signed for depth, Brian Waters of the Chiefs was available and he was signed by the Pats I believe, well after Turner went down for the season. Andre Gurode was another quality OL the Jets could have signed. He was available when Turner went down and he eventually signed with the Ravens on 9/4. I believe that he played both C and OG for the Cowboys
Among the OTs who were available in FA last year were Matt Light, Jared Gaither, Tyson Clabo, Jermon Bushrod, Jammal Brown, Jeremy Trueblood, Marshall Yanda (who plays both RT and OG and would have hurt the Ravens), and Ryan Harris. The Jets could have signed one of those guys to either start or to compete with Hunter to insure that RT would be set.
I couldn’t find a list of the OGs and Cs who were available, but it is quite possible the Jets could have signed one of the centers. Things could have been very different this season without Baxter at C for 3-4 games. Another win or two and the Jets were in the playoffs, and maybe things wouldn’t have unraveled so.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." Alexander Tyler
tackles to begin with at the start if FA...
And anyone that was left after the first exhibition game was marginal at best. Who were the “quality” Vet FA OL that were just sitting around after the first exhibition game?
by RhodesRocks on Jan 20, 2012 8:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

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