The Choice
by viguy007 on Jan 18, 2012 8:49 PM EST
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PrintRemember the debate last year over which WR we should keep. Edwards would cost less but he did not have the "Name" that Holmes did by winning the SB MVP for another team. We made our choice and now we know if it was the right choice. If we had to select again, who would you select and why? Or should we have offered them both the same amount of money since they were equally valuable to the team, and let them self-select who would stay and who would go.
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The Braylon love is bordering on insane
I liked him as a Jet and wasnt happy they let him go but after seeing Braylon’s 2011, it was the right move. Santonio is a better WR than Braylon, thats not even a question. Both have huge character issues though. Braylon makes poor decisions, Santonio just is a bad decision. I wouldve went with neither and got somebody else that was cheaper. Superstar WRs seem like nothing but a headache.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
by YankeesJets on Jan 18, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
it's amazing how logic just goes out the window sometimes
if we simply used our eyes, watched Jet game film and didn’t know anything about the history of Edwards or Santonio, everyone would have picked Edwards.
Everyone was drawn to the big name and their history and pointed out and insinuated how Edwards was a club house/locker room poison. Now after this whole fiasco that we saw at the end of the season (that LaDainian said started week 3-4!) watching Holmes be the poison (oh the irony), all the detractors STILL can’t admit this was a mistake.
They both have talent, but Holmes was always after that paycheck. Edwards was the one that played like a Jet.
by PowerBar on Jan 18, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
So if we kept Edwards instead, are you so sure that...
He would have been playing like a Jet this year? Considering what happened in the offseason, then taking that “prove it” contract with the 49ers, then getting injured, then apparently telling the media that you can’t play before even telling your coach that you’re injured, then getting cut in week 17 when every other WR after Crabtree on the team is injured at that point? They would rather trot Brett Swain out there instead of him. He didn’t practice or play hard because he wasn’t happy with his role on a winning team while on a prove it contract. This makes him better than Santonio how?
The reality is that they’re both assholes and likely not much would be different.
by Exystence on Jan 19, 2012 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm Pretty Confident
that Edwards would have played a lot better than Tone this past season and the Jets wouldn’t have had as many struggles. To begin with, if the Jets had said they wanted to keep Edwards and not Holmes and gave him a fair contract that made him feel respected, why wouldn’t he? He liked NY and wanted to stay here. He played hard and well for the Jets. He even was willing to give the team a bit of a discount. They showed him ZERO respect, then he go no respect from the rest of the NFL which I never understood. He made a LOT of big plays for the Jets in 2010, had practically no drops and that play where he dragged two NE DBs into the endzone was amazing. He played hard and blocked in the running game. He never quit or dogged it, and I never heard him complain about lack of catches, as Schotty would also ignore him for long stretches trying to force feed the ball to Holmes.
I know the Jets can’t cut Holmes this year because of the cap hit, but I wish the farker would tear his knee up or get arrested during the offseason so he can’t play for the Jets in 2012. I detest him. I normally never root for anyone to get hurt, but in his case I’ll make an exception. He’s a cancer, and I think there will be problems as long as Holmes is on the team.
Tanny and Rex are boobs and totally screwed the pooch on the decision to disrespect Bray and keep Holmes.
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In the one week long free agency period, he was in court...
…finding out if he would go to jail or just do probabtion. He got probabtion. Then later in the week, he and his posse got in a late night fight at a diner. So yeah, no one wanted the risk he presented.
then he go no respect from the rest of the NFL which I never understood.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 19, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps
except he wasn’t involved in the fight.
I have to say though, I called this when I saw Holmes on hard knocks trying to brown nose. He has the hardware and he has the big contract…what’s his motivation now?
You are such a Braylon apologist
except he wasn’t involved in the fight.
How do you know he wasn’t involved in fight? Anyway, it really doesn’t matter. But it apparently did matter to the rest of the NFL cause no one wanted him except for SF real cheap.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
haha
because they didn’t charge him with anything and there were no reports of him doing anything besides being there. There was only a tweet, and you’d have to be pretty skilled to tweet while participating in a fist fight.
But didn't the tweet say "let's get ready to fight" or something?
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, great job on the heads up quotes MJ
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
haha that's hilarious
yes, they’re moronic tweets. But in no way does it indicate he was a participant. He could have very well been sitting on the sidelines watching it like it was Thursday Night Fights or something
Can you just for a moment see that this is a problem for Braylon?
Especially while he had just been to court that week and avoided jail but receive probation.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 20, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
it's a problem but my point is it's overblown
there’s no evidence that he was more of a spectator in that fight, many players have done far worse off the field (drug dealing, assisted murder, manslaughter, domestic assault), and he’s been solid for us where it actually matters in football: ON THE FIELD.
You may think it's overblown but apparently 31 NFL FO's didn't
You can’t be on the field if you end up in jail. Same could be said for Holmes getting a suspension (rather than jail), but hey, the Jets made that choice for better or worse.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 21, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, after what Braylon did this year
Don’t act like because he wasn’t on the Jets it doesn’t count. Hell, if anything it makes it worse—he was on a better team than ours, with a much more unified locker room than ours, and he still couldn’t keep it together. I don’t trust him to work hard and play hard after he gets paid if apparently he can’t do that BEFORE he gets paid.
I loved Braylon when he was here. He DID play hard for whatever reason. I don’t remember anything about his practice habits and supposedly was a crappy teammate but he performed, and that’s what matters in the end. But I’m afraid that now he feels entitled. He definitely has shown he’s a headcase. I’m thoroughly convinced he’d have been just as much of a headache as Holmes if he was in his place this year.
The only difference I can see is that he might not have been as public with it all. Maybe that would have been a significant difference, but if things got really bad as I’m sure they would have, it wouldn’t have mattered.
by Exystence on Jan 19, 2012 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Again, these are just excuses
1)
Don’t act like because he wasn’t on the Jets it doesn’t count.
The point is in the response that ‘oh he was injured so Holmes is better’. Unless he was already injured before hand, there’s no way to tell whether he would be injured or not if he was with the Jets.
2)
Hell, if anything it makes it worse—he was on a better team than ours, with a much more unified locker room than ours, and he still couldn’t keep it together.
By a better team, you mean a better coached team. The 49ers employed an offense that was even more ground and pound than we were and limited their QB from doing much more than game managing and spreading whatever passes are left between Crabtree and Vernon Davis. Their success relies mainly on their defense and ball control. Edwards was obviously a much better fit for our team than theirs. Not to mention he was injured for the majority of the season.
Also, who’s to say the difference in locker room unity isn’t because of the difference between Holmes and Edwards? All signs point that Holmes is the locker room cancer. For all this talk of Edwards being one, there is no history of him being one AND your alleged unity of the 49ers locker room just proves it further! They might both be headcases, but that doesn’t mean they’re both going to poison the locker room.
If I'd known that losing Edwards meant our offense turtling up...
I mean, hindsight is 20/20. It doesn’t really help though. I still think they made the right decision, just basically everything else was basically worst-case scenario.
Truly, the Holmes thing is getting blown out of proportion. We didn’t lose because he was/is an unhappy diva (plus who’s to say Edwards wouldn’t have been?), we lost because we sucked on the field of play and our coaching especially on offense sucked. The end.
by Exystence on Jan 18, 2012 9:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Holmes was the right choice at the time.
You had to bring him back with all the clutch performances he put up. Bray did nothing for a winning team this year, so really there’s nothing concrete on which to have buyer’s remorse.
Do you guys realize how much worse we would be without Holmes?
I voted for get both of them back. But do we want Jeremy Kerley leading us down field? I don’t.
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
Considering that Edwards was out half the year....
I’d still say holmes.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
see, this "but Edwards was injured" is just an excuse and a cover up
It’s one thing if he was injured before we made the decision, but there’s no telling that he would have gotten injured if we had signed him and he was playing for us this season.
This is true...Braylon was always the better choice for the team, but we need to stop beating ourselves up about it...Whats done is done.
Braylon was the better choice for the team, our QB, and our run first get big plays through the air way of football that got us to two championship games. Holmes was probably the better overall reciever and.better for schottys dink and dunk 5 yards never throw it down the field scheme.
Braylon’s size and speed gave Sanchez a big deep threat that he could toss jump balls down the sideline too..if he threw them right he would put it in a place where only Bray could get it if he didn’t Braylon was a big physical guy who coyld go up and make a play for his young qb. Braylon was a good blocker which made him very useful on funning downs.
Holmes is a precision route runner. He is good on slant plays and timing routes. With a vetran QB who has a lot of accuracy Tone can be a very dangerous weapon.
The other thing that was known about the two befire making our decision was how they were approaching free agency. Braylon wanted to be a Jet and was willing to work with the FO. He wanted to get paid…dont get me wrong…but he made it clear he wanted to be here and eould work with us. Holmes flat out said he was going to the highest bidder and that all he wanted to do was get paid. This definitely isn’t a deciding factor but if I was on the fence between the two, I’m going to go with the guy who wants go be here and takes pride in being a Jet instead of the mercenary who could give two shits kess what team he is on as long as the checks in the mail.
So even with out knowing about Holmes and his chatacter issuse or the fact that he would disappear in double coverage it always seemed like Braylon was the better choice for the team even if Holmes was the better overall receiver.
by RhodesRocks on Jan 19, 2012 8:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wasn't Braylon the one who was saying publicly
that the Jets were not going to get a “hometown discount”? I remember thinking that I liked Braylon playing like a Jet during the season – it seemed like he had good chemistry with Sanchez – but it seemed when negotiations time came, that he wasn’t being quite as cooperative as you’re suggesting. He may not have been as blatant as Holmes about going to the highest bidder, but he wasn’t exactly singing Kumbaya either.
Also, he had that little legal dustup during the ONE WEEK where he needed to behave himself as a FA and get a new contract. Not great decision-making IMO.
I liked Braylon a lot as a player. But when it came to who to keep, I don’t think Braylon was heads and tails above Holmes. But I also couldn’t believe the contract Holmes got, so… ???
Cromartie was the one saying he didn't believe in home-town discounts
by GangGreen73 on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Braylon said he WOULD give us a home town discount
until Holmes got that huge contract. Edwards then wanted his value to the Jets be respected, and would not take half of what Holmes got.
Forget about Edwards and Holmes - Bring back D. Lowery
OK of topic I know but if we were going to bring anyone back or do a hindsight is 20/20 thing getting rid of lowery takes the cake…dude was putting together a nice resume as a safety and NOW we have to either draft or chase a safety. I would have been happy with him as second in command in the secondary.
Braylon
It doesn’t have to be bray but I think most of us agree that we need a big fast WR to spread the field and keep the secondary from stacking on us. They dared us to throw long and we didn’t, we had no weapons for that.
I hope to see Keller improve also, the TE’s are becoming huge in the NFL and I hope it was schotty’s stupid calling and not Keller going the wrong direction. I tough to see slower TE’s than Keller wide open on other teams and our TE can’t most of the time.
I said it then, I'll say it now...
We should have offered them both $8 million and let them decide where they want to go. I give Tanny credit for pulling the trigger quickly during the incredibly short FA period, but $10 million was far too much. Both T and Rex were ‘starstruck’ by Santonio’s Superbowl MVP and high-caliber profile, which unfortunately bit us in the ass when the team started to underachieve… causing a snowball effect. I’m not particularly shocked by his actions, Holmes is a diva (not to say Braylon isn’t, we didn’t give him the chance to find out) and generally you “don’t get mad at a dog for barking” but compounded with our insecure QB (see lacking self confidence) proved to be to big a hurdle to overcome.
Hopefully, we bring ‘the beard’ back along with a mid-rounder in the draft (OLB, RT, and S first fellas) to bolster our WR core.
Hopefully we look to FA for a legitimate backup QB, I like McElroy but I’m not sold on his preseason performance( I wouldn’t sell the farm for Flynn, but a reasonable QB to ‘nudge’ Mark should be adequate think Henne).
Hopefully this team remembers what it means to ‘Play like a Jet’.
Bring Back J-Co and Braylon and Cut Holmes
They’d break even on that Tone cap issue.
Heck re-sign Plax too.
Braylon
Kerley
J-Co
Plax
sounds good to me, and with injuries and what not, they’d all get the ball next year.
Screw Braylon, just bring back J-Co
That’d make me happy.
by Exystence on Jan 19, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously?
Quality fanpost!
But really I wish people would have listened when I was preaching to bring backj Braylon over Holmes.
I was right there with you
Edwards was the better fit. And I think even with a big paycheck he would have been more motivated on the field.
after the lockout
I was expecting and hoping for the jets to resign braylon first, for the easiness of signing him, then tone, due to his diva status and knowing he’d want to be overpaid. I was extremely upset when they signed plax over braylon. The biggest problem in the wr fiasco was letting mr. Reliable, j-co go. I wanted to keep braylon, cotchery, and if we could, holmes
by revis24fan on Jan 19, 2012 9:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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