Todd Haley Is Not Coming to New York Jets
by John B on Jan 18, 2012 9:05 AM EST
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PrintManish Mehta says Todd Haley is not coming to the Jets.
There was speculation that Haley would team up with new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano, who coached with him in Dallas, but it appears unlikely that will happen now. A source told the News that the Jets and Haley came to “a mutual decision” in recent days.
So that stinks. Haley would not have been a slam dunk hire. He certainly done not have a flawless track record when it comes to developing quarterbacks and passing games, but he is certainly head and shoulders above Brian Schottenheimer and probably Tony Sparano. His in your face style also seems needed on this team from an authority figure.
That leaves Tony Sparano on his own with the offense. Color me unexcited about that one. Brian Schottenheimer was terrible. Don't get me wrong. Simply getting rid of him is not going to suddenly fix this team's offensive problems, though. The Jets needed to find somebody with a track record of producing high quality passing attacks. Now they instead have a guy with the history of doing the opposite.
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Ouch now we are struck with a OC
that hasn’t really ever called Plays.
Woody Fumbles again.
How about we fire our General Manager who should be running Brashton Satele and Westhoff’s Pizza shop that is about all he is qualified to do.
Another Tannenbaum Glory moment if you ask me.
Maybe we can hire Rex Ryan’s best friend to be the LB’s coach, oh wait , we already went through that with Jeff Weeks, a total disaster
Sparano called the plays in 2006 in Dallas
with a rookie QB and had the #4 offense in football. Not that I think that means much, but your claim is inaccurate.
And he was so confident in his play-calling abilities that he never took over for those geniuses he had running the show in Miami.
Do u think Rex would let his DC continue to call the defense if it was mediocre at best?
If he was really good at it, he would have taken over that responsibility in Miami when his offenses were struggling. The fact that he didn’t says volumes.
by Crackback on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And if those Miami offenses were what he wanted from his offense, then that’s even more cause for concern.
by Crackback on Jan 18, 2012 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
First I am not disagreeing with you
only Nikolai who has an irritating habit of saying untruths in his posts. It is a fact-he called the plays in Dallas-take that to mean whatever you want. I don’t take it to mean much-hence my disappointment that Haley is not being brought in.
There are, it should be noted, many good offensive or defensive minds who’s teams do not mirror their strengths. Belichick is a defensive guru-his defenses suck now. Wade Phillips is an excellent defensive coordinator-his defenses in Dallas were not to great there at the end. Gruden was an offensive innovator who won a Superbowl on the back of a defense built by Dungy with a scrub offense. Dungy then went to the Colts and was carried by his offense because he defense was average. It happens all the time.
You are so right Tony Sparano
called plays 7 seasons ago.
Wow, that was insightful.
Great work, telling me something I already don’t know.
If you knew it why the statement:
“that hasn’t really ever called Plays.” Aside from the strange use of capital letters, and the word “really,” it seems your claim is simply false. Unless “really” means that we discount things that occurred 7 years ago.
Hey dude, give it a rest
No one wants to see it. It would have been a better idea to hired someone that called plays last season somewhere
Instead you chose to argue some esoteric point to try to 1 up me. Take a deep breath buddy and realize this is about football not you and I
Just stick to the facts and stop slinging BS to make your points
and no one will call you on it. Simple.
Yes Sir,
anything else I can do for you. You are right Tony Sparano did call plays for Dallas in 2006. That makes him the best candidate to call plays in 2012.
I really have Miss Cleo call plays than anyone one with Schottenheimer in their name.
As longs as 70% of them are run I am fine with that.
Haley Saying No hurts, doesn’t exactly show a glowing amount of positive feeling towards wanting to work with Sanchez, that might not be it, but it is worth a thought or two.
Good point NikolaiC
So, since neither Sparano or Haley called their teams plays last year, who would you pick? Can’t wait to see this one.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Haley
and Miss Cleo working the run game. All the coaches hired are Rex’s boys. At least, Sparano will give Sanchez a ear full, which is Rex’s plan.
Bill Weir called the plays in KC. Not Haley
So… You said you wanted to see someone that called the plays last year. Keep going.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
The Jets were looking to hire Haley to call plays
and Haley was calling plays in Arizona and remember they played in a Super bowl. You guys can’t make me upset, you are not up to it.
But that's not what you said.
You said that you would like someone that called plays LAST year. And Haley called plays on an Arizona team that had a future hall of famer throwing to two potential hall of famers.
And they weren’t looking to hire haley to call plays. Sparano is the guy calling play, Haley was suppose to assist with the QB Development and passing design.
So, since you dediced to put it out there, what guy that was actually calling plays last year do you want the Jets to hire?
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
To paraphase John B
Haley was a guy with a rep for being associated with High Quality passing attacks. I don’t think his title had much to do with him passing.
You guys want to knit pick and take the thread further away from the original points being made that is fine. I shouldn’t be encouraging you.
I shouldn’t be encouraging you.
That’s exactly it.
The funny thing is that I agree with you on the topic(s) of this thread. It is just irritating when you seems to say things that you know are bent or broken truths. I think it would make arguing your point more effective if you didn’t do it-but maybe that’s just me and I am not the “truth police” so I will ignore it from now on.
Actually
What we want is for you to stop throwing out garbage and then trying to back away from your own comments. When you’re going to post, try to at least think about what you are writing before you write it.
In this one comment thread, you said that Sparano never called plays… Not correct.
Then you said that you wanted someone that called plays last year… Haley didn’t call plays last year.
And Haley’s only “High Quality” passing Offense was when he was in Arizona with Warner throwing to Boldin and Fitzgerald.
Haley’s passing Offenses while in KC were ranked 25th, 30th, and 25th (while the rushing O was ranked 11,1, and 15th)
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Whoa, dude, slow down with the facts...
You might hurt someone like that lol
España 2010 Campeones del Mundo!!!
Okay Tony Sparano is a better Passing game
guy than Todd Haley, You guys are right.
You guys exist to keep me my facts and thoughts in line.
I don’t know where I would be without your fact checking.
Your opinion is now fact than my opinion
over and out.
This is what i'm talking about...
Read your own comments, and read the replies. Show me where ANYONE says that Sparano is a better at coaching a passing game than Haley?
You see Nikolai, you threw out garbage about and then somehow, turned that garbage into a pile of crap. You really need to pay attention, and try to look up some facts or statistics to back up your statements.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Todd Haley called plays in a Super bowl
That is one fact you just have to bypass.
Do you work as a clown on the weekends?
Read your own comments.
And how does calling plays in a superbowl make you a good OC?
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
By the way...
If you would have started out this entire comment thread with…. We should have gone with the guy who took Arizona’s offense to the superbowl. That would have been a much better comment. Instead of the garbage you threw out there.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Bit sensitive there aren't we?
Good thing nobody can get to you or watch out world.
España 2010 Campeones del Mundo!!!
This is exactly not a good paraphase
Whatever, the words Todd Haley mean nothing to me now
Wonderful.
He was our only shot at some semblance of creativity. We better get a dynamic, durable back and a mauler at RT. Bc if we can’t run the ball every single week we’re gonna be easy to beat.
by Crackback on Jan 18, 2012 9:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Not so fast...
he ran the run n shoot in Hartford, lol.
I say its to early to be all doom and gloom, but a foundation of concern is certainly there.
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Only shot?
What makes anyone believe that he was ‘our only shot’, as if there’s nobody else on the planet? Let’s see what the FO does or doesn’t do before we jump to conclusions.
Nope. I'm giving no credit or benefit of the doubt to Rex and his ability to put together a staff.
He gets way too much credit for his daddy being Buddy and his defenses in Baltimore. The Ravens D was great before he took it over and it was just as good after he left. He got us to number 1 by basically using the defensive version of the wildcat and bringing one more person into the box than the offense had blockers. It was a gimmick, and once the overload was figured out our blitzes lost almost all of their effectiveness.
So our gimmicky head coach with a now middling defense has hired a gimmicky coordinator coach with a middling offense. Excuse me for not being thrilled with the future prospects of this team.
by Crackback on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
CB - Why so happy? :)
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by ProfScorpio on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sparano
said he use to run & shoot offense back in his college days, what’s y’all thoughts on that ?
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This seems not so good.
I also don’t get the point about Haley not having a good track record with QBs. His track record in my mind was excellent. First you have Romo who you have to give partial credit for. Then Warner. While Warner is a borderline hall of famer, his career looked dead before he revived it in Arizona. For all the complaints about Cassel he did have a wonderful year last year for a 7th round pick who never played in college (93 QB rating, 27 TDs 7 Ints and a Pro Bowl appearance); this year the Chiefs lost so many offensive weapons (waters, Charles, Moeaki) that it is hard to really know if that was a total fluke. Too bad-the Jets will have to do something positive because Sparano+Lal does not scream “potent offense.”
Yea Cassel was McDaniel and BB if anyone, and he was not having a good year this year even before Charles went down.
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Huh???
Waters didn’t play a down for KC this year. Neither did Gaither who was brought in to start-so their line was a mess. Moeaki (a favored target) didn’t play a down. And what are you talking about with Charles? he played 2 games and had 12 carries all year.
Bottom line is Cassel was better in 2010 than he was under McDaniel in 2008, and he had fewer weapons (he was not playing with the same team that broke scoring records the year before). Even if this is the weakest link between Haley and QBs it is far from an example of “bad record with QBs.”
Still with Charles going down...
you would have expect Cassel to step up and play even more with them having to rely on the pass much more, and he didn’t he regressed. The absence of Charlie Weiss and the NE connection that turned him from a 7th round draft pick into a starter was the biggest missing component.
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For all the complaints about Cassel he did have a wonderful year last year for a 7th round pick who never played in college (93 QB rating, 27 TDs 7 Ints and a Pro Bowl appearance); this year the Chiefs lost so many offensive weapons (waters, Charles, Moeaki) that it is hard to really know if that was a total fluke.
I happen to give Charlie Weis the credit. That’s my personal take on it. The offense wasn’t very productive the years in KC when it was “Haley’s” offense. You are certainly entitled to disagree.
Matt Leinart was a guy Haley did not do well with.
Don’t get me wrong. I think there’s more to like than to not like and certainly better than Sparano alone. I just don’t think he’s a slam dunk.
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Jamaal Charles was a huge loss
and was a huge part of their game plan. I was very surprised Haley got fired, but he showed some immature moments at times and I was at the Chiefs Jets game at the swamp. The Chiefs looked hopeless and embarrassing getting all those Personal foul penalties. I think KC management made an emotional decision when they let Haley go. I would take Cassel over Sanchez, but looking to start a war here, but Cassel throws better down the field that is what the Jets need to get their running game going, they got to get two good OL and get the safeties out of the box and Shonn will get it down and Joe will be a good chance of pace guy
I agree-not a slam dunk
but a smart guy with a decent track record who has been around a passing game…
Agreed. I wanted him.
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Haley would have only marginally made me feel at all better about this whole fiasco
Now with him out of the picture, forgive me for preparing for unmitigated disaster.
by Exystence on Jan 18, 2012 9:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That's what I thought heading into this season
“So we’ve gotten worse/stayed the same everywhere except maybe d-line. No way we’re a good team this year.” ~ prior to the season
End of regular season ~ “Gggsarfdhgghhhgg” ::throws things::
So in the end it probably really doesn’t help much lol :(
by Exystence on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is this a bad thing?
Did we really need a hot head coach and divided offensive coaching responsibilities? I have to think part of the reason he isn’t coming to the Jets is that both he and Sparano realize one OC has to be in charge, and neither wanted to take a back seat. Now what we really need is a QB coach who can develop/coach up Sanchez, since that is a major problem.
I agree
I am all for splitting up the offense and defense, but splitting up the offense like that would be a mistake in my mind. We need 1 guy in charge of our offense, not 2.
Get busy winning or get busy losing.
by GangGreenMag on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, what a bunch of downers, I think this may be ok. I already like the Sparano philosophy. It is what i want to see, a lot of run plays. I want to see a 11-5 team again like 2010.
I think we will find the right offense help as there is alot out there, we gotta really stop looking for all these head coaches as assistants.Although Haley is good, 3 HC would not be a smart move.
What happened to wanting Schotty to leave, Half of you already have Sparano fired. I am liking what I am seeing so far. Wait till the season actually ends.
by Kickersarepeopletoo on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 AM EST reply actions
The 11-5 Dolphins
happened to be an 11-5 team that was not very good. By point differential they should have been an sub 9 win team. They had an easy schedule, and a poor offense, so I don’t know if that is something meaningful here. I agree that one should wait and see, and the Jets still need to bring in a QB coach.
Efficiency
I’m not really looking for a great passing attack at this point. I just want efficiency and less mistakes and penalties. I think Sparano can at least handle that better than Schotty.
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It is nearly impossible
to be efficient at scoring without a very good passing attack. Even well managed (and I mean that in the Alex Smith sort of way) struggle to score points, which is not a good thing. Regardless, it is hard to believe that we would suddenly be a great passing team if we brought in any particular coach, so I do agree that limiting mistakes and better execution is a goal to strive for here.
What Sparano wants to do is get chunks of yardage in passing, I’m hoping like Chad used to do with LC and J-Co through YACs, or even when he would throw "deep" passes to Santana Moss.
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And if we get our front 5 fixed than the Sparano playcalling just got easier, I think he will turn Joe Mcknight into a star (thats my opinion) with Hunters replacement
by Kickersarepeopletoo on Jan 18, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
OK so no Haley
But that doesn’t mean they are done staffing up. Sparano is still going to get some type of help. Who do you think they’ll look at for a good QB coach?
by mangold'sbeard on Jan 18, 2012 10:13 AM EST reply actions
I would give a kidney for Clement’s to come to the Jets
by Tim Sullivan on Jan 18, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Marc Trestman would be very good chose. He has done a fastastic job with the Montreal Als team up here in the CFL. But I think he and his GM – Jim Popp are headed to Indy.
"It's only through change we learn to grow".
by Canadian Jet on Jan 19, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Should we consider Tom Moore as the passing game coordinator?
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 18, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions
I think Peyton is done
I think he struck around this year because he was getting paid good money.
I think the Colts will cut him, a lot of teams will start doing their homework, but in the end, I think Peyton is not going to risk being paralyzed to play again. I don’t think his recovery is what he expected and the Colts will definitely draft Luck and cut Manning
There is no reason to trade anything, the Jets will work him out, but I don’t think Peyton is going to put his health behind Wayne Hunter who will probably be our starting right tackle next year again
What does this tell you about Haley thinks about Sanchez as his QB
That is the real read between the lines story here
That Sanchez is the Jets guy next year and Haley isn’t interested in that. He has more options than Sparano did.
I think Haley just wants to be an OC
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 18, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
He would have been an assistant head coach
I don’t think the Jets organization is a very attractive place for NFL coaches.
I think Haley is probably taking the year off and doesn’t need Mark Sanchez or the New York Post destroying his career
Haley told us “NO”
We came to a mutual decision actually
Regardless of him becoming an assistant HC he still wanted to be an offensive coordinator.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 18, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Any coach worth his salt
But despite Schotty consistently fielding a sub-average offense, the Jets made the playoffs two years in a row and went 8-8 this year.
There is no reason to believe that the defense wont be good next year.
Haley obviously doesn’t have a problem working with Sparano, in principle, so aside from the “too many cooks” on offense issue, I can’t see that being a problem.
Any coach worth his salt is going to have the confidence to believe that he can do more than his predecessor. The reason that the Jets brought in Sparano and the reason that they were considering Haley is because Schotty underperformed.
Basically, I wouldn’t want any offensive coach who didn’t look at a Jets job as a great opportunity to succeed where Schotty failed. If Haley actually thought that he couldn’t get more out of Sanchez than Schotty did — and I have no reason to believe that Haley thought that — then I wouldn’t want him here anyway.
I am more concerned with getting Cavanaugh out hte door and a new QB coach in.
Sparano is the OC – a lot of what he says will be proved true or false as we see things develop during training camp. But we now need an LB coach, an assistant O-line coach to help Sparano with that group, which in my opinion underachieved this year, even if you allow that Wayne Hunter should never have been there. But the biggest question is the QB coach. Whatever offense you want to run, someone needs to break Sanchez down and start all over on his fundamentals. And for that, soemone liek Hue Jackson or Marc Trestman would be my choice,
Trestman has a good thing going in Canada. I don’t think he’s going to want to leave a head coaching job to become a position coach.
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he's not going to go from HC in Canada to HC in the NFL.
So his only way to get into the big leagues is going to be to take a step back in “Title”.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Well, the Colts are reportedly interested in him, but I think we’ve taken a big leap if we just assume he wants to come back to the NFL.
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I do agree with that
But Canada? It’s a step up to get a job as a HC in D1 college football.
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That’s your opinion. It might not be his.
At any rate, I don’t really agree with your first point. Trestman has a long track record in the NFL as an assistant in a variety of jobs such as position coach and coordinator. When you add in his CFL success, he’s very qualified. He certainly wouldn’t have to take the first position coach job that opens up in the NFL.
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Good points
And i’m not saying that he needs to take the first position coach job that opens in the NFL. He should be able to pick and choose where he wants to go since he seems pretty happy where he is. Do i see him going from a HC in the CFL to a HC in the NFL? No. Do i see him going to the Jets as an Assistant HC or a postion coach? No. I could see him going to an NFL team as an Offensive coordinator though.
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Just a note
I know most of you have not watched the CFL, Trestman is a hell of a coach.
The CFL is a huge passing game, with only 3 downs and the run game is not as important you have to throw it.
Being that I live in canada I watch the CFL on TSN and I often wondered why more OC’s dont get the chance.
If Trestman was available and interested I am all for it, and without out laughing I would say if a guy by the name Matt Dunigan was intetersted in coaching again than that would be my QB coach Choice.
Wiki him tommorrow, he has a good resume
by Kickersarepeopletoo on Jan 18, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hello fellow Canuck!
+1 – totally onside with your post…..
"It's only through change we learn to grow".
by Canadian Jet on Jan 19, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
Not that Wiki is back running, look him up. Trust me. Cavanaughs cup of coffee as a QB is nothing on Matt Dunnigan.
by Kickersarepeopletoo on Jan 19, 2012 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
What a screwup
this whole thing is. Haley should have been as the OC not the idiot we did hire. Sparano as the OC is going to guarantee that our offense will continue to suck as it has since 1998.
Thinki about that for a minute. We have had gabage offenses since 1998. The common factor has been defensive head coaches who all hire dopey conservative offensive coordinators. This Sparano hire will prove to be the beginning of the end of the Rex Ryan era in New York. Instead of trying to put an exciting high scoring offense on the field we are going as conservative as can be.
What is the deal with Cavanagh? Why has he no been let go as of now. We cant possibly keep him as the QB coach. I bet hire another idiot like Daboll as QB coah or keep Cavanagh in place.
Bottom line is we have screwed this situation up as badly as possible. Only this organization can watch the Dolphins over the last few years and hire this idiot as coordinator. Instead of getting good playcallers like haley or Hue Jackson we hire a guy who loves to run the wildcat.
If this team had no intention of running a high powered offense we should never have drafted Sanchez in the first place. Why not have a loser QB like Orton if we just want to run it all day long.
Only the Jets
would replace Schottenheimer with someone like Sparano. This offense will be as boring as ever and Sanchez will never shine with this organization. we might as well cut him and just give the job to a scrub who will throw the ball 15 times per game.
No other team would have hired Sparano as a coordinator. Rex and Tanny are both gonna lose their jobs over this hire.
Wow
Do you want to win and be bored with the run or have Mark throw 30+ times, I will take boring and win
by Kickersarepeopletoo on Jan 19, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
Not really sure how you guys are so critical of Sparano
When he hasn’t even started coaching yet, let along actually call a game for the Jets yet. During the only time he’s ever called the plays for an O he was very successful with a rookie QB. And he’s considered as “run first” guy, which is exactly the type of ball control offense that the Jets need to run.
We’re going from an OC who called for every WR to run a 5 yard hook on a 3rd and 6 and you think our offense isn’t going to be better under Sparano? I’ll take Sparano over Schottenheimer any day of the week, and i expect our Offense to be a hell of a lot better next year. My only area of concern is Matt Cavanaugh.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
by jetsbill on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Valid point
maybe their some secret we don’t know about, anyone not named Schotty is fine with me. However, I do think Haley not signing on is a loss, but we are moving on.
Well, keep your fingers crossed that
Hue Jackson takes the job in St. Louis.
Schottenheimer somehow ends up as the Dolphins OC.
and Rich Gannon decides to be the Jets new QB coach.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
If nothing else, the offense should have an identity.
And we won’t have those asinine gadget plays or empty backfield plays that blow up because everyone knows what is coming. Plus, if they do run the wildcat packages, Sparano will be smart enough NOT to have Sanchez on the field and replace him with another weapon, so we are playing 11 on 11 rather than 10 on 11. Boring doesn’t matter to me. Only wins.
by Traveling Man on Jan 18, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I think Sparano is gonna be fine...
I really do. Obviously, I’m reserving judgement till we’ve actually run some plays, but I think everyone translates “run first” to “boring.” I simply didn’t get that out of what he’s said so far.
Caldwell?
What is the view on him? Supposed to have developed Peyton. Might be a good cooling off job for him for a couple of years.
I would prefer to stay away from anyone that worked with Peyton Manning
1. Manning was alreay a two time pro bowl QB when Caldwell signed on to the colts staff.
2. Manning is a freak!!! It would be like hiring someone that works on Ferrari’s to fix your Ford. The approach that is going to be needed to work with Sanchez is going to be completely different than the approach to working with Peyton.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
This identity stuff is so overrated
so why should anyone be excited that our “identity” will be a boring conservative offense. instead of trying to emulate offenses like Green Bay and New Orleans we are trying to be more like the dolphins and the garbage offenses that they have run.
There is good reason why Miami fans are laughing at us and why no other teams would have hired Sparano as an OC.
Why be like Green Bay and New Orleans
when you can be like San Fran and Baltimore? I would say that the QB we have compares much better to Smith and Flacco then he does to Brees and Rogers.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Because
GB and NO have won 2 of the last three SBs and neither SF nor Balt have done that. In fact if you look over the teams that won the SB over the last decade all of them save the 2007 Giants were strong passing teams (adjusted for their time).
Generally run first teams, no matter how good or careful, are at a disadvantage because the rules so tilt towards passing. Why run for 4.5/play when you can pass for 8 with the same or smaller probability of a turnover?
I do think our best shot is to try to emulate the Ravens or SF because that is how we are built anyway. But I don’t like it, it puts us at a disadvantage before the season even starts.
Well, it would be nice to have a Brees or Rogers
But we don’t. So trying to emulate GB or NO would be like putting a lamborgini kit on a fiero and then trying to race. We have a QB who is phenomenal with the playaction and roll out passing game. Having a run first team will make him a more successful QB.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
And, i'm hoping to see a lot of the playaction roll out
And sanchez breaking through with a QB rating of 85.3!!!
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
I don't get the negativlty about Sparano
He didn’t call plays in Miami because he was Head Coach.
He gave up calling plays in Dallas and handed them to Jason Garrett because Jerry regards Jason as the golden child. When Tony called plays there were decent and high scoring. Check the facts – 13 of 17 games in 2006, Dallas scored 20pts+ and we often over 30.
Haley didn’t call all the plays in Arizona. He was the passing game coordinator. Russ Grimm was the run game coordinator, and they worked together.
Hue Jackson has been Head Coach in Oakland this season past so won’t have been calling plays.
Even more, any new coordinator won’t have the same group of players than at their last gig. It seems pretty stupid to condemn someone who has previously been successful before they’ve called their first series of plays.
Heres a possible plan
Matt Dunigan as our new QB coach.
This guy a good credentials, I think he is a offensive brain
by Kickersarepeopletoo on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions
I still believe that were going to fill the position with someone we never heard of.
Also, Sparano’s hiring fits what the Jets are trying to build. Instead of shooting it out with teams the Jets strategy is hold the ball for chunks of the game, eat up time, and the defense is going to be a big part of it too. Honestly, I’m not thrilled, but unlike a few people here, (no dig at anyone in particular either) I’m not claiming doom and gloom.
Our team is not built right now to run a pass first offense. Also, other than the Pats, all the pass happy offenses are gone. The Giants have an amazing rushing attack and a pass rush that gets dominant whenever they get a lead, SF’s D and Balt’s D are both top of the league but have dominant run games and so so QB’s. Only the Pats are truly one dimensional Overall though, 3/4 teams left right now have great defenses and running attacks, and are not offensively pass focused only. I still believe in this league if you can move the ball forward and put up points and have a dominant D, you will win more games than with a shootout offense in the playoffs.
The Giants were the worst rushing team in the NFL this year and had a QB
that almost had 5000 yards passing. They are the polar opposite of a run first team. This year’s final 4 is an anomaly and in fact if SF didn’t luck out against NO then we would have 3 QBs out of the final 4 with 4900+ yards. That is simply the way it works these days.
Is that true though?
It certainly doesn’t hurt to have guys capable of putting up 5,000 yards, but you know what? The leader in Superbowl wins is a team that’s always been a tough, physical team with a strong defense—The Steelers.
So while a lot of teams might be having success with airing it out, I don’t have any reason to believe it’s the only option out there. A strong, modern run game and a tough defense can still make a great team.
Irrelevant
Since 4 of those came during the massive run first 70s. Until basically 1980 o-linemen were not allowed to extend their arms and tons of contact was allowed down field which has been more and more enforced over time (in 2005 they really started to flag everything after Polian whined about it since it was hurting his Colts). Roughing rules have also skewed things towards qbs. Thus only 2 of those wins are germaine to the argument. One of the (2008) the Steelers were a passing team more than a running team. Leaving 2006 as perhaps the only analogy year.
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