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Keys to the Offseason (Part 2: Building Through the Draft)

Will Courtney Upshaw become the pass rusher that the Jets are looking for? 
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January is an exciting time to be a football fan: the playoffs are in full swing, and nothing beats the thrill of postseason pigskin. New York City is buzzing once again, but this time it is the Giants that are one game away from the Super Bowl. Consecutive AFC Championship games have spoiled Jets fans, and discussing mock drafts and free agency in January has to be bittersweet for many of Gang Green's faithful. With that being said, here is the second edition of the "Keys to the Offseason" series. This post will focus on how to continue the Jets' return to prominence through the 2012 draft. Take the jump for my take on which players should be targeted.

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Last week, the first issue of Keys to the Offseason discussed the importance of discipline in the locker room and in the organization. If the Jets succeed in adding veteran leadership, it will become essential to infuse the team with young talent through the draft. When the many flaws of the 2011 Jets became apparent, I took to reading the many mock drafts available on the internet. I have found many interesting ones (**I urge you to read David Wyatt's mock drafts, along with GangGreenMag's superb "Talent Watch" posts), but my mock draft will be a little different. Mike Tannenbaum has had six drafts with the team, and has made significant trades in three of them. Tannenbaum has never been shy to wheel and deal draft picks, and has proven to be very adept at identifying his targets, and then swooping in to acquire them. For this reason, my mock drafts will not be based on the rounds and slots that the Jets will start in. Rather, I will try to highlight all the players that should be on Mr. T's radar, and will pinpoint the rounds that Gang Green is most likely to have a chance at each player.

High Draft Picks

Courtney Upshaw, OLB/DE, Alabama. Ht- 6'2'', Wt- 265 (Sports Illustrated- 1st Round, #18; CBS- 1st Round, #18 OR #28; Drafttek- 1st Round, #10)

Courtney Upshaw projects to be an elite pass rusher, as his motor and burst off the snap will be very useful in getting to the quarterback. He is a good tackler, is very solid against the run, and looked to be decent in coverage, although he wasn't asked to drop back very often. There are questions about his size, and there are concerns about his ability to play standing up. I'd say that the positives far outweigh the negatives, and would love to see Upshaw in green next season. If I had to pick, Upshaw would be my #1 choice in this draft.

Courtney Upshaw Highlight Video #1 ; Courtney Upshaw Highlight Video #2

Mark Barron, S, Alabama. Ht-6'2'', Wt- 218 (S.I.- 1st Round, #16 [Jets], CBS- 1st Round, #16 [Jets], Drafttek- 1st Round, #21)

The Jets have a clear need at safety, and Mark Barron can help to fill that void. He is a ballhawk and a playmaker, qualities that Gang Green's safeties haven't possessed since Kerry Rhodes was given the boot. Barron is decent in man coverage, but is very good in zone coverage. He is physical enough to help out in run support, which is crucial for a safety in Rex Ryan's defense. He takes great angles to the ball carrier and is a very heady defender, but sometimes overplays the run and has been known to go for big hits, only to whiff entirely. Barron would be a great selection for the Jets, but there will be veteran safety options in free agency (including Michael Griffin, Tyvon Branch, LaRon Landry, and Dashon Goldson). He might fall down draft boards for two reasons: the fact that safeties aren't generally drafted so high, and an arrest in March of 2011. I wouldn't mind Barron in the first round, but I'd be ecstatic if he fell into the second round. If he is available in the mid 30's, Mike Tannenbaum would be wise to trade up and select this high-upside player.

Mark Barron Highlight Video #1; Mark Barron Highlight Video #2

Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE, South Carolina. Ht- 6'2'', Wt- 276 (S.I.- 1st Round, #28, CBS- 1st Round, #13 OR #20, Drafttek- 2nd Round, #38 overall)

Much like Upshaw, Melvin Ingram has the tools to be a very good pass rusher in the league. He possesses a wide array of moves, and a good mix of strength and quickness. He has been solid in coverage and is a high motor player. He has struggled slightly against the run, and his size might knock him down some draft boards. Ingram is a very versatile player, and I wouldn't mind if the Jets pick him up.

Melvin Ingram Highlight Video

Nick Perry, DE, USC. Ht- 6'3'', Wt- 250 (S.I.- 1st Round, #20, CBS- 1st Round, #12 OR #18, Drafttek- 1st Round, #29)

Perry enjoyed a successful junior season at USC, and has shot up draft boards. He projects as a DE, but scouts believe that he could eventually transition to a role as an OLB in a 3-4 scheme. Pass rushing is his forte, and he gets to the quarterback using his above-average speed. Perry is a smart player with a high motor, but questions about his strength and lack of bulk might drop him down many teams' draft boards. Personally, I'd prefer Upshaw, but Perry would make a nice consolation prize if the Jets miss out on the Alabama star.

Nick Perry Highlight Video

Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina. Ht- 6'4'', Wt- 229 (S.I.- N/A. CBS- #31 OR 2nd Round, Drafttek- 2nd Round, #37 Overall) / Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin. Ht- 6'2'', Wt- 220 (S.I.- N/A, CBS- 2nd Round, Drafttek- 2nd Round, #52 overall)

The Jets' wide receiver corps under-performed last season, but it was not for a lack of talent. Santonio Holmes is certainly versatile and highly-skilled, but the Jets seem intent on using him as a possession- receiver. Jeremy Kerley looked to be a perfect slot receiver in his rookie year, and Plaxico Burress (if he returns) is a great target for Sanchez in the redzone because of his height. What the Jets are lacking is a player to stretch the defense, and one of these talented receivers might fall in their lap. I wouldn't pick a receiver in the first round, but I wouldn't mind if the Jets scoop one of these guys later on. Both are tall, and both have exceptional ball skills. Neither are burners, but both have the wheels to stretch the defense. Jeffery was widely regarded as a high first round pick before the season, but inconsistent quarterback play and questionable conditioning have dropped him down draft boards. He would be a steal in the middle of the 2nd round. Nick Toon should be available even deeper into the second round, and would also be a good addition.

Alshon Jeffery Highlight Video

Nick Toon Highlight Video

Markelle Martin, FS, Oklahoma State. Ht- 6'1, Wt- 198 (S.I.- N/A. CBS- 2-3 Round. Drafttek- 2nd Round, #56 overall)

Markelle Martin would be a great target for Tannenbaum. Martin was the "quarterback" of his team's defense, and is a very physical player. He is also very athletic and has become above-average in coverage, both man and zone. From all the games that I have watched, Martin usually put himself in great position in coverage. However, he only has 3 career interceptions, which might be a slightly misleading statistic. If he continues to play well in coverage, the interceptions will come. He's projected as 2-3 round pick, and might present a good alternative to Mark Barron.

Markelle Martin Highlight Video

Low-Round Draft Picks

Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas. Ht- 5'10'', Wt- 180 (CBS- 4th Round. Drafttek- 4th Round, #101 overall)

Jarius Wright has enjoyed a productive career at Arkansas, due in large part to his incredible speed. He is projected to run a 4.34 40-yard dash, but he has even been recorded as high as 4.28. He is obviously a small wide receiver, and is prone to being jammed at the line. If he manages to bulk up to counter physical defenders, he might become something special. If he doesn't, his speed would still allow the Jets to stretch the field. In the 4th or 5th round, a guy like Wright is a gamble that is worth taking.

Jarius Wright Highlight Video

Levy Adcock, OT, Oklahoma State. Ht- 6'5'', Wt- 322 (S.I.- N/A, CBS- 4th Round, Drafttek- 1st Round, #16 overall [Jets])

Most mock drafts have labelled Adcock as a 3-4 round pick, but Drafttek has the Jets heavily reaching and selecting the tackle in the first round. Assuming that Adcock does fall into the middle rounds, he'd be a great pickup. He is athletic and his technique is sound, especially when pass blocking. He hasn't looked incredible when run blocking, but he is decent enough. He needs to work on his strength in order to match up with the stronger defensive ends in the NFL, but Levy may develop into a very good RT over time. I wouldn't want to throw a rookie into the fray right away anyway, so I'm banking on a free-agent signing at the RT position. Having Adcock (as well as Vladimir Ducasse) waiting in the wings could turn a position of need into a future strength.

Adrian Robinson, OLB/DE, Temple. Ht- 6'1, Wt- 250 (CBS- 6th Round, Drafttek- 6th Round, #169 overall)

Adrian Robinson will undoubtedly have a very difficult time breaking into the NFL, due to his lack of size. Those concerns are obviously fair, but I think that Robinson's high motor and love for the game may help him to overcome his shortcomings. He has proven to be good in coverage and against the run, and has been lauded as being a heady player. His lack of speed sometimes hurts him when going against the quickest of runners, but he is usually a sure tackler. Robinson is an accomplished pass-rusher in college, with a quick first step and a useful spin move. If Robinson is available in the late rounds, he would be a very good pick for the Jets. He might not be exceptionally gifted physically, but Robinson possesses undeniable skills, and Rex Ryan would certainly know how to utilize him properly.

Adrian Robinson Sack Video

  • Ideally, the Jets will be able to land a pass rusher like Upshaw in the first round. No matter who the pick is, I believe that he needs to be ready to start right away. They can then trade up to land Barron early in the second round (if he stays on the board), and wait for Toon to fall to them in the third round. Alternatively, they can trade up for Jeffery early in the second round, and pick up Markelle Martin in the third round. If Adcock is available later on, I'd love to see them take a flier on him as a project. Same goes for Jarius Wright and/or Adrian Robinson. This draft will be crucial for the Jets, and Mike Tannenbaum has a great chance to drastically improve the team.
  • I didn't include Bruce Irvin or Whitney Mercilus for one reason: I don't believe that they'll be able to contribute right away. They are already great athletes and have tons of potential, but neither are fully developed as football players (their recognition skills and instincts are still a work in progress). Either one of them would be great value later on in the draft, but I wouldn't want them in the early rounds (where they are likely to be picked).
  • Tune in next week for the second edition of "Keys to the Offseason"!

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Not a bad list Jeff, I would approve of just about any of those guys.

One exception, if Sanu falls to about 30ish, we should trade up for him in place of Barron.

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by Noble_Lance on Jan 18, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Good post.

I would be very happy with Courtney Upshaw or Nick Perry in the first round, but I think you also should have added Trent Richardson. Teams could decide to draft for need early on instead of BPA and TRich could fall to us. I think I’d like him in round one as well. I’d have trouble supporting Mark Barron at 16, but if we were to trade down to the mid 20s and pick up an extra second rounder, I think it’d be well worth the pick. Maybe then you go for Vinny Curry or Ronnell Lewis as a pass rusher in the second round along with the extra pick being used for Nick Toon, Martin, Levy Adcock, or someone else of interest. No doubt this is a very important draft and I expect to see 2 or 3 starters out of it.

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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 18, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

A prospect that I'm really high on right now is Michael Brockers from LSU.

That being said I really hope the Jets draft Upshaw.

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by 2xtheBully on Jan 18, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, Pats fans are hoping they'll get a chance at him

like some of us were hoping for JJ Watt. But it’s hard to project where guys end up as some are heading up the front, and some heading down.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 18, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't claim to be a an expert

But I have to say that I found the highlight video of Ingram to be more enticing than of Upshaw.

I really like Toon, but I’m not sure that he’s what the Jets need in the 2d Round.

by square1 on Jan 18, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Ingram is one of those guys...

..who might be a late-riser in the draft.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 18, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

no to irvin or mercilus

I agree 100% that the jets need to pass on these guys bruce irvin maybe maybin 2.0 but why draft a guy so early who will be nothing but a situational pass rusher.
And I’m not big on mercilus I don’t really see the comparisons to jjp or aldon smith they are both unblockable pass rushers

by Nu York Fan on Jan 18, 2012 5:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

16 sacks not enough for you?

More than either of those guys had in their best seasons man. 22.5 tackles for a loss too. 9 forced fumbles. Against better competition! HIS NAME IS MERCILUS FER DEITIES’ SAKES

by Exystence on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

watch the film

I don’t see the comparisons to jjp or aldon smith look him up he doesn’t have the pass rushin moves to make me think he can come into the league and dominate like I felt from watchin aldon smith last year

by Nu York Fan on Jan 18, 2012 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it is worring when you watch him

that on a lot of plays he looks very passive.

by Buzzy on Jan 18, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's his inexperience

It’s obviously something to keep an eye on, but it’s scary that he can put up the stats he did despite being hesitant on a lot of plays. He just needs more reps. He kinda probably should go back to school but I guess that’s too late now right?

by Exystence on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Irvin is much betterthan Maybin, imo.

His ability to change direction is on another level than Maybin’s, and his hands are much more violent. He’s got the same lightning get off, but he plays with much better leverage. He’s a less polished Von Miller.

by Crackback on Jan 18, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Great write up. I love Nick Perry, I think he might be the best rusher in the draft.

I like mercilus because he can bull rush and use his hands pretty well. I love our options at 16, and being in the middle of every round will bring us really good players that can help us get back into the playoffs.

by jets4life24 on Jan 18, 2012 5:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

However, I'm not sold on mercilus yet.

If he dominates the combine and his pro day hell yeah. Has the tools to be a monster though.

by jets4life24 on Jan 18, 2012 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm convinced that he'll have an incredible combine, and some team will reach for him top 20

I just hope it’s not us. His potential is off the charts, but I just don’t think he’s ready to take on a starting role in his rookie year. He might develop into a monster over time, but we can’t afford to wait 3-4 years for our 1st round pick to come around.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 18, 2012 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What are everyone's thoughts on david wilson?

some project us to take him in the 1st (which, at 16, i think is a HUGE reach). The guy’s really fast.

by darshv3 on Jan 18, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

I saw that mock too darshv, that's WAYYYYY too big of a reach.

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by Noble_Lance on Jan 18, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what i was thinking

and i don’t think personnel was the problem with our run game this past season. I think they just didn’t focus on it enough in training camp and never really got it going during the season. Taking a running back would just be a luxury, and we can’t afford any luxuries right now.

by darshv3 on Jan 18, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

True he'd be a luxury

that being said, if T-Rich is at our position I’d take him or make sure we got a king’s ransom for him

And the home of the .... JETS!!!
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by Noble_Lance on Jan 18, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case

I say we trade down with someone who wants him and then grab a bunch of picks.

by darshv3 on Jan 18, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Possibilities

If and its a big if TR falls to number 16 you are right we might be able to parlay him into some big picks. We trade down 6 or 8 spots depending on who is left we might be able to grab a second and maybe even a swap for our 4th rounder for their 3rd rounder but that would really be reaching

by sledor on Jan 18, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

thats what i meant

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by Noble_Lance on Jan 18, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I like him, just not in the 1st round

It would be a reach even if we desperately needed a RB ( which we don’t)..there are just more urgent holes to fill.
If he’s available in the 3rd round (not likely, but still possible), I’d love to pick him up. He runs a little too east-west for my taste, but he has exceptional talent and just needs to eliminate the stupid mistakes.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No Tomlinson next year,

and the big-name RBs in FA might be too expensive. I’d expect the Jets to snag someone in the lower rounds.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 18, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

But what do we lose if Tomlinson leaves?

In my opinion, the Jets would just lose leadership. On the field, Joe McKnight is more than ready to be a change of pace back. He proved last year that he is as electric as anyone in the game. I admit that we might need a 3rd RB for depth, but those wouldn’t be too expensive in FA. I wouldn’t go after a big-name at all, just someone to eat up a few carries a game or in case Greene / McKnight get hurt.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 19, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a reach at all.

He’s gonna be a good pro. Great speed, freaky balance, good vision, seems small but his legs are thickly (so he can pack on pounds to his somewhat slight upper body without losing athleticism). He’s gotta tighten up how runs between the tackles, and he has to clean up the fumbles. But dude is gonna be dynamite.

by Crackback on Jan 18, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey man, I like the guy too

But it would be like the Chargers taking Alshon Jeffrey. Yeah, they’re a little uncertain about that position right now, but they have far bigger concerns elsewhere and they can definitely get by with what they already have. Same scenario for us, it’s upgrade-able, but not a necessity. Depending on how free agency and whatnot goes i wouldn’t mind him in the second.

by darshv3 on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

well

some people believe in the bpa principle, and he might ne. i personaly think we got to adress our needs first, but not everyone agrees with that

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by rexthejet on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't know

some project him as a first rounder.

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by rexthejet on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Really this should be from the same pack of monkeys that say you

should take a RB in the first round due to the their success from later rounds.

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by Noble_Lance on Jan 18, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

A few reports have suggested and pointed out the fact that

the higher the draft round the less success the RB, guys like Foster for example were found UDFA, Forte was out of the 1st round.

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by Noble_Lance on Jan 19, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it is imperative the Jets take 2 OLB/DE prospects in the draft

Any player transitioning to the pro level has a chance of being a bust and that is probably the most glaring point of weakness on the D, even greater than safety. They need the insurance that they will be able to have at least one solid OLB that can generate a pass rush with 4 players and that is key to winning football games. If the pressure is applied it doesnt matter if the safety can’t cover a TE for 5+ seconds. Preferably I’d love to see Upshaw and another player taken in either the 2nd or 3rd. Mercilus i havnt watched any video but he is an interesting prospect that everybody is saying has a ton of potential which could be a diamond in the rough type player.

Additionally just on a side note- I see mockdrafts with every single round taking a different position and trying to fill every hole on the roster. This is impossible people, don’t assume that a 6th rounder will automatically be the starting safety because a scouting report said he has “great ball skills” or a 7th rounder can be a major contributor. It’s just unrealistic. Yes, it’s very possible a low round pick can become a great player but assuming they can contribute to the team this year is just stupid.

The team should focus on improving a few key positions this offseason (OLB, RT,WR) and playing the best they can with that. No team has a solid roster all the way through with no holes, so why try to build a roster like that. Get a great pass rush, a solid oline, and hope sanchez can come along and this can be a successful season without using EVERY draft pick to replace a starter.

by flixenuz on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

there are so many OLBs in this draft, and if we could establish a good pass rush, then all of a sudden our lack of safeties isn’t much of a problem anymore.

by darshv3 on Jan 18, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it still will be a problem.

With that said, I’m hoping my Pats don’t take Barron. I think he’s too much of a risk for a Brandon Merriweather Episode 2.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 18, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus

Plus safeties are more available in FA. Most teams don’t want to give up their pass rushers and those in FA want the big bucks. It is important we get some pass rush going and I’ve been hoping and saying that for 2 years. # of the 4 teams left in the playoffs have awesome push rushes and the 4th the Pats look like they had one on sunday. We have been going backwards with less and less pressure since 09 and we are getting slower and slower on defensive speed. Then we find out this year we need a big fast WR to spread the field and a solid RT. Our WR suck this year and the FO was stupid to realize that we needed a big fast WR. Then the FO promoted Hunter and said he’s the man and earned it then almost got our QB killed. Most QB’s would have been out on some of the hits Sanchez took. I just hope his confidence hasn’t been shot to pieces. Now the FO never address the safety position and took that for granted. So we are in a world of hurt and did I forget to add our LB’s are now overall getting older and slower.

We still got a solid team but have many hole to fill in the draft and FA. So it will be interesting to see what the FO does about it.

by ocjet on Jan 18, 2012 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

I don't believe in drafting solely for need, and with that said...

look at all of the needs for the Jets. 1-2 WRs, 1-2 G/Ts, 1-2 OLBs, S, RB(no Tomlinson), maybe even ILB. They’ll have more/better picks than last year which is good for them because they’ll surely be able to find a stellar player or three to shore up some weak spots.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 18, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

solid foundation to build on, a smart draft and key FA signings we’ll be OK. So what do you disagree on?

by ocjet on Jan 19, 2012 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The solid foundation.Offense is questionable at best.Defense is well coached but weak at both safety

positions and 3 of 4 LB positions and without any consistent pass rush.Their offense has an over-rated QB and their OL and running game is average.WR ‘s are below average and their star TE Keller can’t catch a cold.Throw in the rest of the fubar on the field and in the locker room,This foundation be sinkin’.

by Putnan Prince on Jan 19, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way, kind of off topic but

did anyone see the recent tweets/articles about what LT said?

by darshv3 on Jan 18, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

Eff Tomlinson.

He’s soft. He’s always chirping but comes up small in the big spot. Just shut up and retire you freakin has-been choker.

by Crackback on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 19, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I’m sick of the guy. He stinks. Everybody is always fawning over his abilities to do things that mean little. His impossible to quantify “leadership,” his supposed pass blocking, his supposed receiving skills. Shonn Greene pass blocks just as well, McKnight is a better receiver (more difficult to cover, more dangerous with the ball). Tomlinson looks like shit when he gets carries.

Enough of this over-rated “name” already.

by Crackback on Jan 19, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty explicit and harsh

if you ask me. I want to think this is no big deal, but when you read that…it is hard to.

by Buzzy on Jan 18, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the seeds were there before this year.

Take those ingredients late season 3 game losing streakthe earlier issues with poor offensive performance+the guys they have in the mix and Rex’s perpetual need to be a buddy and pump his guys up as opposed to coming down on them when they are out of line and you have problems.

by Buzzy on Jan 18, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

LT’s last year, and he was hoping it would end with his first ring. He’s disappointed. Still, maybe he should have spoken about it with the players that he says were bitching instead of waiting until after the season and yapping to the media.

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by rxmeister on Jan 19, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

he may be disappointed but he hardly sounds emotional or irrational about this. What he says sounds very measured and thoughtful and sensible, unfortunately it is quite damning. One can chose to say this is just an old disappointed guy spouting off, but it really does not sound that way to me (and it is irrelevant if LT is washed up or not).

by Buzzy on Jan 19, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

great post keep them coming

if we got 3 or 4 player from the above list it would change us from a win now team to a contender for years to come

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by tinley24 on Jan 18, 2012 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

looking at the above players i have wanted 2 olb's from this draft

because i want jeffery in the 1st the 2 olb’s i wanted were Curry and McCellin in the 2nd and 4th rounds .
if we add Adrian Robinson as our 5th/6th round comp pick we would be going into the season with our olb’s looking like this
Pace
Maybin
Curry
McCellin
Adrian Robinson
i think moving forward we would have very good depth at the position and if McCellin and Adrian Robinson developed enough over the year we could cut Pace after next season ( saving us 8.5m in cap ) and have his replacement bedded in the team for a year .
we would then have 4 young guys splitting reps at the position with the option of drafting another olb in the later rounds next year for depth . doing this could sort a problem position out for years to come and could become a major strength of this team , all for a very low cap figure
what do you guys think of drafting 3 olb’s this year as regards to saving us money next year ?
please note i’m only using the 3 drafted guys on my list as an example , you can replace them with players of your choice like Upshaw etc etc

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by tinley24 on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

The way to go is to trade back if at all possible.

Every year the middle of the first round has trades so the opportunity will be there. There’s enough outside linebackers to get one (Upshaw, Perry, Curry, Jenkins, among others). There’s a ton of receivers. What there are not a ton of is safeties and tackles. Trade back and go for need, go for need, go for need, then go best available the rest of the way.

by manuvsteal on Jan 18, 2012 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

That's the Belichickean thing to do.

Which is the anti-Ryan thing to do.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey jeff

what’s your opinion on Quinton Coples? I’ve seen mocks where he falls to us at 16, and one where we trade up into the top 10 (#7) to get him. He’s a gret talent, but i think his effort is a huge question mark.

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by jets4life24 on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

I hope we don't trade up for him.

Honestly, it’d give me pause if he was available at 16, and we had to pick between him and Upshaw. His effort is a big question mark (as you said), and I don’t know how his agility/ speed off the snap will translate to the NFL. We probably would have to trade up to get him, and I just don’t think he’s worth it.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 18, 2012 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well

i would take a wr at 16, but i think we’d be reaching for anything at 16. i guess we should go OLB, but i just can’t get past the notion of not improving our terrible O with our first rounder. great article jeff. i told you you should try something else, i guess this counts :)

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by rexthejet on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

call it a cliche

but i think our offense can be fixed primarily from within. Yeah, we need a new RT, that’s for sure. But i think the problems on offense were less personnel, and more scheme and chemistry related. On defense we need better pass rushers.

by darshv3 on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think there will be veteran WR in free agency

Affordable ones, too. I’d love to get Robert Meachem from the Saints, and there will be alternatives if we don’t get him.
And thanks again rexthejet, I’m still sticking to the “keys” theme, haha.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope we can get braylon back.

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by jets4life24 on Jan 18, 2012 11:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Can they afford to do much in FA with the cap space?

PFF has an excellent FA-tracker up along with their grades for each player. Guards will be deep in the market.

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by Middlesex on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jets are a little tied up as far as cap-space goes

but they can cut a few dead-weight players (namely Wayne Hunter+Eric Smith) to free up a few million (I believe up to 4.5 million). There are obviously other players that are going to be on the chopping block, and I really believe in Tannenbaum’s skills in manipulating the cap space.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 19, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

it starts with the O line

Mediocre running backs and QBs have been made to look good with a good O line. Jets line was less than mediocre. Defense needs tweaks but offense was offensive.

by jrmets56 on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

"New York is buzzing once again"

Giants are still in it, so it makes draft discussion strange at this point. So Giants lets go get that super bowl for the city again. A good offseason moves IMO is restoring the confidence of Sanchez. Get Braylon back and rebuild the oline and establish the run identity. Upshaw is still on my must draft list.

by overloadblitz on Jan 19, 2012 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

Fuck the Giants

I want the Jets to win the Super Bowl for the city, not the Giants. Who wants to see a parade for them and read thousands of stories in the media about Rex guaranteeing it would be the Jets?

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by rxmeister on Jan 19, 2012 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Jets pick him (and I hope they do)

then obviously it’d be great if he could step in right away for Wayne Hunter. It just isn’t very often that a rookie lineman can transition seamlessly into the NFL, and letting him learn for a year would also give him time to work on increasing his strength a little. We shouldn’t bank on getting an immediate starter in the middle rounds of the draft, but Adcock does have the potential to be very good eventually.

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by Jeff W. on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Keys to the Offseason (Part 2) WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read the article written by Jeff W.,and was terribly disaapointed in the lack of depth,and focus on pass rushing undersize players.I think we have seen enough of that in our draft and team,and there failures.The jets are a lucky team,with excellent talented players on the team.The Jets in my opinion are 5 players away from superbowl champs.Plus the all important chemistry in the locker room,which at this time is bad,and smelling from the head down.I will save rex,tannebaum,scotteimeir,and team capts for another day.Offence: needs a free agent QB to challenge Sanchez! O,lets say McNabb,36 year old,realivity cheap,and still has skills.He played with plaxico,off season with holmes,and has experience,leadership,and big game capability.
NEXT: Offensive line needs to upgrade,put right guy in the right position.Hunter,hates off tackle position,could do it,has done it,but his heart,mind,and effort is not in it.Moore has been injured x2 this seasons,his plays is fair,his age is 33.Slauson G,is mentally smarter,tougher than Durrasse G,but physically under match at his postion at left guard.Jets should draft the best Off tackle..eg John Martin,6’6 315,22 played 3 years starter.Second,draft Off guard David Decosto 6’5 322,22 3 years started likes pancaking opposing players.Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas. Ht- 5’10’’, Wt- 180 ,who runs 4.28 for wr#4 position,kick off/punt returner duties.With holmes/sanchez fighting right now,once matters are settle,and with current offensive players.Jets should be flying.We will post info on JETS defence soon,jets need to go 4-3,harris,maybin,and westerman at linebacker.New safeties needed,and Densive line using Dixon DT & Henrick DT in the middle on 4/3 defence.Adding Derick Wolfe DE,to go along with Muh.Wilkensen DE.

by JETRULE69 on Jan 19, 2012 2:32 AM EST reply actions  

McNabb as a a backup? Crazy

McNabb’s performance in Minnesota PROVES the tank is empty, he has zero skills left. He’d be a cancer in the locker room and we have enough of them.

There is no way we can draft both Martin and DeCosta in the same draft. They are both Top15 picks

Maybin CANNOT play LB in a 4-3 defence. Buffalo tried him there and he was an unmitigated disaster. If we wanted to go 4-3, we would need to get ourselves two outside LBs

by kernowjet on Jan 19, 2012 6:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Two Rutgers players should be on the list

Mohamed Sanu had an outstanding junior season. Was able to get seperation more easily than Jeffrey. He could be our Hakeen Nicks (29/2010). Belichick rates him very highly.

Art Forst is a huge OL who could be a starting RT. He’s underrated because he got moved around the Scarlet Knights line playing RT, RG, and LG. If he’d played in one position, he’d been considered a Day2 pick.

by kernowjet on Jan 19, 2012 6:28 AM EST reply actions  

art forst is not persuing football after college

he is opening a car dealership with his brother. he had a good year though.

if you want an underrated scarlet knight, desmond wynn (offensive guard) had an excellent season and is really impressing at the east-west shrine game. could find his way into the 4th round or so. jets should look there if they want late-round OL talent.

by xxdxpxx on Jan 19, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you have a link?

I’ve not seen a single report that Forst has withdrawn from the draft?

by kernowjet on Jan 19, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

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