Our own free agents: Who to keep, Who to dump, who to restructure
While looking through the FA market and draft talk, sometimes we forget we have our own Free Agents to resign. This is a look at what internal roster moves I think need to be taken care of before we dip our hands in the Free Agent market.
First off I'm going to lay out positions that we will need to address this offseason. A few of these I had a real tough time deciding which was more important but I think that general consensus is something along these lines:
RT, SS or FS, OLB, backup QB, WR, ILB, P, O line Depth, 3rd RB, K, 2nd TE, 4th Corner/ 4th safety.
(For how much money we have in Free Agency I'm using Jets Caps numbers as well as a cap of 123 million total plus another 7.8 million John B. highlighted will be transferred over.
If all FA hit the open market and we do not resign any, we save a ton of money. However, this is impractical.)
Ironically all of our Free Agents fall into our needs listed above. I say ironic because we will free up some money in the positions we need to upgrade without cutting anyone and having dead money. The only one player who does not fall into our needs happens to be Sione Pouha, who I want to bring back as a first priority.
So let's go through the Free Agents we have and bring back the ones who actually have some value.
Sione Pouha needs to be brought back for several reason, he's great at what he does plus the fact we have so many other needs and we can keep this strength. I think we can probably bring him back on a 3 year, 4 million per year deal giving us a hit around 4.5 million after a bonus. He's a great teammate, plus he's been called the best at what he does. Think Haynesworth whose not lazy, and plays every down, that's the kind of player he is. The amount I came up with is right about the upper crust of all DT actually putting him in the top 3 paid DT's in the NFL. A signing bonus of 2 or 3 million may also help.
Jim Leonhard also comes back. Ironically his injuries probably helped us. I would only sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal. I think 2 million a year brings him back once again. (Same deal in essence he got to come to NY.) I think if he was any other player than the signal caller and heart of the defense we would not bring him back, but because of our holes at Safety I think he gets brought back.
Maybin also comes back at 1.5 million per year and a 2 year deal. He is an RFA but I'm willing to have him as a pass rush specialist. WIth someone else on the other side of the line giving a push, he really looks to be part of a two prong attack that can be deadly on third down.
Total cost: 14-17 million including bonuses.
Otherwise, I bid farewell to Plax, Westerman, BT, LT Pool and Strickland. Folk, who has made big kicks in tight spots for us is also a casualty. I wish we could bring him back for those big kicks in tight spots, but his stats just do not add up either.
Plax, Westerman, and LT I'm open to bringing back, only if our other options are taken away in the Free agent signing period, or if we cannot find a person to draft suitable to fix the hole. Plax is also intriguing as a 3rd WR so he has some more leeway with me. Again nothing over 1.5 million and I think we could bring him back in the right spots. Westerman should be replaced with our new "stud" who is pretty obvious we need. LT is only brought back if someone gets hurt after Free Agency.
Pool is too inconsistent, and I've never thought much of Strickland.
Time to get the knife out, it's time to cut a few loose ends. So long Hunter (2.5 mill back) So long E Smith (2.5 million) but not Ducasse. Also lets convert the bonuses over, after all this we get to about 9 million more money to throw around.
Players to restructure: Mark Sanchez.... I'd like to see him under 5 million a year, but that will not happen, he has a 14 million dollar cap hit as of right now, but if we can somehow get him under ten (I'm looking at you Mr. T) consider it a victory. Slauson and Devito do offer savings if cut but I rather just restructure them. Especially Devito who has a 2.5 million dollar cap hit. Pace, also has a 7.4 cap hit, but we get no savings at all if he's cut. Also give Keller a extension, that will only help. Once again Mike T please help.
So in essence we have spent 8 million and would save another 9 million in cuts not counting anything that we can restructure. Plus another 7.9 from the year before gives us 8 million to spend before any restructures. Knowing how Mike T works, it could bring in another 10 million.
Time for Free Agency spending spree.
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So what is your final cap number for the Jets after you make all your moves..
What would our total available to spend on free agents at the end of all your moves?
figuring no restructuring.... not much...8-10 million depending on bonuses.
after restructuring…. I think John B’s number is close 15-20 mill for this year.
the Nick Folk fanclub ie ME is very unhappy
i also think makind pouha a top 3 paid player in his position at his age is too much . i agree that he needs to come back but maybe at top 10 money not top 3 . his age and not his performances are the reason i say that
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He's not unreasonably old.
I looked around and saw a figure of 4 mill for the number 3 player…. Honestly, I think he is worth at least 2-3 million if the Jets were bidding against themselves. but he may want more. Also, he does an excellent job clogging up the middle.
Holmes
Something needs to be done about this albatross of a contract even if we have accept some short term pain of shipping it out
not at 8 million in dead money.
Unless you get a trade of a 2nd rounder or better you have to fine him, and hope he grows the hell up.
you cannot. the dead money is literally money you cannot spend.
Its a cap hit that does not help the team according to the sources I have used.
by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
On that note,
I think benching him/ internal fining him is the way to go. Lets get some responsibility back for the Jets players
by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
You lost me on the numbers. I couldn't follow where they were coming from.
Time to get the knife out, it’s time to cut a few loose ends. So long Hunter (2.5 mill back) So long E Smith (2.5 million) but not Ducasse. Also lets convert the bonuses over, after all this we get to about 9 million more money to throw around.
So in essence we have spent 8 million and would save another 9 million in cuts not counting anything that we can restructure. Plus another 7.9 from the year before gives us 8 million to spend before any restructures. Knowing how Mike T works, it could bring in another 10 million.
hunter and smith each save 2.5 in cap room. thats on jetscap.com
Also figuring the bonuses get turned over they do not count against the cap. its another 3.5-4 million. Thus 9 million we save.
Also, i figured Mike T would restructure a lot of contracts
Sanchez for one has something along the lines of a 14 million dollar cap hit.
smith saves us 2m not 2.5m ( just a heads up )
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What bonuses? And wht do you mean turned over?
The cap for 2013 is already $111 mill. You can’t keep pushing and restructuring that easily without paying for it one year.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
The bonuses are transferred between roster and signing.
Signing bonuses do not count against the cap. Cro and Sanchez both have roster bonuses due that con transfer over without a penalty against the cap. The beauty is that they save 3.3 million without costing the players or team anything. While not a great savings per say, they do allow us to have some flexiblitity.
by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Signing bonus DO count against the cap.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Roster bonuses count as well
If there was something that didn’t count, then every team would just pay their players in that loop hole and have unlimited cap space
by CervezaVerde on Jan 18, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez actually offered to take a pay cut before this season
they didn’t bother though. Idk why, but i’m sure he’d offer to do so again. The guy just donates half the money anyway.
I'm pretty sure Mike Devito is going to be cut
The Jets wouldn’t pay Shaun Ellis 3 mil a year, and he got them 5-10 sacks a year every year. Devito is making 2.8 this year, he’s had 30 tackles and 1 sack. Pretty much the same last year. Add to that Marcus Dixon is coming on strong, and cheaper. Devito’s 2.8 million with 0 signing bonus are gone.
Unreal
Mike Devito is a solid player and run stuffer. There’s no doubt his position could be upgraded, but the Jets have too many other needs to try to do that this year, and you don’t create one hole in order to try to fix others. Cutting Devito would be totally stupid imo. You ought to know better than that, guy.
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Let me just say, I wouldn't be shocked either way
Ropati Pitoti (sp?) or Marcus Dixon could potentially replace him. I also wouldn’t be shocked if they didn’t re-sign Pouha.
I think they probably should keep Devito and re-sign Pouha, I just wouldn’t be surprised either way.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Pitoti is actually better position to be cut.
By cutting him we save a million and change. That being said I would not be shocked to see either restructured. I doubt both make it without some type of adjustment/ being cut.
by sp0rtsfan86 on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Shaun Ellis is a better player than Davito?
I do. And the Jets wouldn’t give him 2.8 a year. Marcus Dixon is on the same level as Davito and he’s the first guy in the rotation. I’m telling you Davito is going to get cut, and it doesn’t create a a hole because Dixon starting isn’t a drop off. The bench still has Pititua and Kenrick Ellis.
Shaun Ellis WAS
a better player. Not any more. Listen, I loved Shaun Ellis. He was solid, worked hard, never complained, usually was the only top DL we had. He’s too old now.
You need depth. The Jets finally started addressing the glaring DL needs last year in the draft. Why in the world would they turn around this year and start dismantling the DLdepth to save a paltry million or two so they could bring in a lower-tier player who doesn’t even know the system? Then what happens if Dixon goes down with a season-ending injury?
Think, man, THINK!!!!! It makes no sense.
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Gotta agree to disagree
Shaun Ellis is. Present tense, better than Davito. He was a pro bowler and never had lower than 5 sacks. Whenever the Jets used a 3 man rush, Ellis was the only one pushing the pocket back to the QB. Davito’s never had more than 2 sacks. From a starting DE? He’s not 1 or 2 million either. His cap is 3 (2.8 to be exact). When the team is right at the cap number or maybe 5 mil under it, his 3 million is a big difference.
Marcus Dixon is not a big drop off. I don’t think he’s a drop off at all to be honest. He is good against the run. Against the pass he doesn’t rush, but pushes the pocket back pretty good. Lastly, how many D lineman do you need in a 3-4? I say 6, and 7 tops. You’ve already got the 2 rookies this year, Pititua, Pouhua, and Dixon. That’s 5 guys. You can promote Dixon, get more production and sign a guy for much cheaper than the 3 million you were paying Davito. I liked Jeron Gilbert, but they kept messing with him. Balloon up to 300 and drop down to 260. Be a tight end, a tackle, an end, and even a linebacker at one point.
Just my opinion though.
There has to be a better and bigger option than Leonhard out there
He isnt the answer to stopping TEs like Gronk. It was nice that he came along with Rex to implement the defense but its time to move on.
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He's not the long term answer but consider the facts
He knows the system
He’s calls out the alignments
He’s coming off an injury and he’s around 30 which drops his value so he can be re-signed to a low cap number and still play or come off the bench as depth.
Thats the only way i bring him back, as a cheap option
Im hoping Rex is smart enough to have Tanny address the position.
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I could probably just make my own FanPost but in the interest of economy of FanPosts I'll post here since its the same topic
But this is gonna be a long one.
Taking John B’s estimate of $123 mill cap with $7.8 carry over from last year… we essentially have only $7.8 to spend.
Let’s re-sign some cheap guys to fill out the roster…
P. Turner, WR – $600k
Westerman, LB – $750k
Maybin, LB – $750k
Strickland, CB – $750k
M. Cole, CB – $600k
Folk, K – $750k
If my math is correct, that is $4.2 mill spent, leaving $3.6 mill in space left. With that $3.6 mill we still need to sign Pouha and our number 1 pick plus leave a little money around to sign an injury replacement mid-season. The rest of our draft picks can swap out for lower roster cuts such as Eddie Jones, LB or Dennis Landolt, G. These lower roster guys are making about the same as a lower round pick so I’ll breeze past it.
At this point, the situation is very tight. You’d have to question whether or not we really have money to sign Pouha unless we make some cuts. Listed below are the five cuts we can make in order to free up money. Just about everyone else on the roster beyond these five either make no money worth discussing (consider that any guy cut making $500k is just going to be replaced by another guy making $500k, just as is the case with low round draft picks) or they have salary situations which actually make them more expensive to cut then to simply keep (example, Bart Scott will count $5.9 mill on the cap, but if he is cut, he counts $7.2 mill plus another $500k to place someone in his roster spot).
Devito, DT – +$2.8 mill
Hunter, T – +$2.5 mill
E. Smith, S – +$2 mill
Pitoitua, DE – +$1.15 mill ($75k dead money)
Alexander, S – +700k
Cutting or trading these players would bring $9.15 in cap space in addition to the $3.6 from above. However, we have to consider the logic of making these cuts. We probably need Devito especially if we can’t re-sign Pouha. Hunter would get cut by most Jets fans but consider that we would still need to find his replacement at approximately the same cap hit, or, just let Ducasse take over which could be a disaster, or, let an unproven rookie take over which could equally be a disaster. Cutting E. Smith and re-signing Jim Leonhard would essentially be a wash; either way, I don’t see the Jets going into next season without one or the other. Pitoitua finds himself in a tricky situation; he could either replace a cut or traded Devito, or find himself as the cap casualty. I suppose it’ll be a FO evaluation there. Finally, Alexander at $700k is barely worth discussing; he provides FS depth or possibly even starting time for about $200k more than a rookie.
So there you have it. We will have very little room to make moves. Pouha and/or Devito could certainly not be back next year. I have heard the cap may be a little higher than John B’s $123 mill estimate, but even at $125 mill it still leaves things tight. I suppose there are a few guys that could get restructured but its really shoe horning things and still won’t provide room for a big free agent. Sure Mike T. may be able to get creative with a Pouha contract, pushing money to another year, but you also have to consider that at Pouha’s age, he probably wants to get paid now.
Hunter would get cut by most Jets fans but consider that we would still need to find his replacement at approximately the same cap hit
yeah but at least his replacement would be worth a roster spot .
but its for your reasons above that i want to draft a QB somewhere in the draft and not waste cap on a FA QB that will be paid to sit on the bench
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You are right. Its a good point. We don't have money for a real backup QB.
Things are tight. This team just has no middle class. Its all super expensive guys or super cheap guys.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 18, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Just make a damn FanPost
it’s long enough, it discusses plenty. Half of the damn fanposts in the last day have been basically advertisements for other websites anyway.
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I was making a joke on that and the fact that I was about to make a looonng comment
But my comment was specifically a reply to this post because I disagreed with the math here.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 18, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
Well make a fanpost anyway.
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Who's Gonna Play DE???
Get real, Green Beer. You’re smarter and better than that. There’s absolutely no way on earth that Devito AND Pitoitua can or should get cut. That’s just crazy. At least with Pouha gone, the Jets still have Ellis and Tevaseau to play NT and Dixon can also take a few plays there. With Devito and Pitoitua gone, that leaves only Dixon and Wilkerson to play DE, and as you said, they have no money to bring in other players.
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I don't think I ever said both
But I made the case that there is a chance one or the other is gone as a cap casualty
by CervezaVerde on Jan 19, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
If I Misread Your Intent
I’m sorry, but you list five guys you say should be cut and they’re both on it, so that’s how I read it.
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Its five guys that *could* be cut with positive effect on the cap
But then I pretty much argued against each cut
by CervezaVerde on Jan 19, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions

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