Mark Sanchez: Stay or Go?
by John B on Jan 16, 2012 10:26 AM EST
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Print2011 was an extremely disappointing season for Mark Sanchez. Sure, he had some incremental improvements in some of his stats, but he was still below average in most important categories. 2011 was to passers in the NFL what 1998 was to baseball homerun hitters. It was a year of unseen production with three quarterbacks throwing for over 5,000 yards. Sanchez had six games against bottom ten pass defenses and still only put up pedestrian numbers. He also turned the ball over more than anybody not named Josh Freeman, which contributed to the Jets allowing over 100 points off turnovers.
If you are looking for reasons the Jets underachieved this year, it probably is not the defense. Yes, there were some series or individual plays where the unit failed that changed a game. Yes, some spots need to be tweaked and upgraded. At the end of the day, it was still the fifth best defense in the league and bailed out the Jets a number of times when a turnover gave the opponent a short field. The problem was also not the running back who had a 1,000 yard season with a 4.3 average. The issue was the quarterback. The Jets were expecting to lean more on Mark this year. He did not deliver, and eventually the team had to scale back the offense. You cannot really say that stats don't matter, and Sanchez was a success in his first two years because he is a winner and then write off the team and him underachieving because his numbers are a tad better in 2011.
Mark Sanchez was not dealt the best hand this year. We all know how suspect his coordinator and playcalling were. We know about the offensive line, particularly at right tackle. The problem is these things only account for part of the problem. Maybe the Jets should have taken more shots deep, but on the rare instances they did, Sanchez looked like he was just chucking the ball off his back foot as far as he could with no aim and praying a receiver came down with it. There were a lot of times he had a clean pocket and still missed his passes or did not see open receivers in time before the window closed. Even simple screen pass freqently ended with Sanchez throwing rockets into the ground with his back right in front of him. The receivers got some flack for dropping passes and running bad routes. Watch the games over, though, and you will see much more frequently on replay angles Sanchez not seeing a passing lane before it closes. With good quarterback play, Santonio Holmes and Dustin Keller could have been 1,000 yard receivers. The most glaring moment came in the red zone against the Giants where the Giants left Plaxico Burress uncovered on a play, Burress jumped up and down trying to get his quarterback's attention, and Sanchez never glanced his way.
In the NFL, good quarterback play covers weaknesses. Nobody gets perfect protection all the time. Nobody has receivers running open by five yards. Separation frequently means a tight window that requires a precise throw. Sanchez regularly did not hit open guys. He ran himself into a number of sacks this year showing a lack of pocket presence when a simple step up in the pocket would have meant more time. These are things that cannot simply be hung on coaching. Sanchez also seemed to get rattled whenever he was hit. Yes, there are some games where a pass rush gets to a quarterback, and even the best guys get rattled. Think of Tom Brady against the Jets in the Playoffs last year. Brady also has had a number of great games where he has taken shots like Week 5 against the Jets this year. Drew Brees on Saturday was constantly pressured but hung in and made plays. Sanchez was pretty much done whenever he took a hit this year. Again, good quarterbacks compensate for weaknesses. Bad quarterbacks draw attention to weaknesses.
Sanchez would save the Jets $9.2 million against the cap if he is cut or traded. He will probably be back, though. I also think he should be back. It is unlikely the Jets will be able to find a guy unquestionably better. More than this, the fourth and fifth years tend to be when it clicks for quarterbacks if it is ever going to. Drew Brees raised his completion percentage almost 8 points between his third and fourth years. Ben Roethlisberger hit 65% of his passes, which he had approached before but with 100 passes more than his previous 60% seasons had. It took Tom Brady until his fifth year and fourth year starting to crack a 90 passer rating. It is easy to forget, but Brees was considered such a bust that the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers. Also as easy to forget is Brady and Roethlisberger were not always considered elite quarterbacks. A sizable chunk of football fans used to think the Patriots and Steelers won because of their defenses and that their quarterbacks were along for the ride. You know how Trent Dilfer is the posterboy for bad quarterbacks winning the Super Bowl? People used to say Dilfer and Brady prove you don't need a franchise quarterback.
These are reasons for patience. The thing is that Sanchez is certainly behind where Brady and Ben were at this point of their respective careers. These bad signs from Sanchez also cannot be ignored. Sure, he faced adversity, but even when everything was going right, the protection was good, and his receivers were open, he missed more often than not this year. On top of this, overcoming adversity is part of the job description. The Jets picked him fifth overall because they wanted a guy who could deliver even when everything else was not ideal. He did not need to be John Elway this year, but asking him to torch a horrible Patriots secondary or not constantly miss open guys against the Giants was not a lot to ask. I counted no less than five completions this year that would have been touchdowns had he led his receivers in stride instead of putting it a tad behind, forcing them to slow down and giving defenders a chance to catch up. There is a lot of hidden yardage lost in off target throws.
I vote stay, but Sanchez has more questions than answers at this point. There were two areas where he was really good this year. His red zone play was a lot better, which led to an increase in touchdowns. He also looked good making kill calls and changing the play at the line when he saw something in the defense. He was more effective making presnap reads than reads after the snap. There was not much else to be positive about. The excuses are done. He is not raw any more. He has over 50 starts under his belt. Brian Schottenheimer is gone. What we saw this year was not good enough. Yes, he has succeeded in big spots in the past, but he had a lot more to do with the team's failures this year than he had to do with the 2009 and 2010 successes. That isn't hate. That is the truth.
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saying you save cap space is a ridiculous argument
This is a starting QB not a backup safety. Who the heck is your starter then?
And Jason Campbell bla bla, he is not better than Sanchez and Id rather have the 4 playoff victories 25 year old than the journeyman never won a playoff game old guy
also, will only save 1 million in cap
according to a blog a few days ago cutting Sanchize will only give Jet’s 1 million in cap relief because of the prorated bonus money that will have to be paid.
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Turnovers
To me, it’s all about turnovers. He turned it over 26 times. That’s almost two per game. And he never throws “harmless” picks, because he never throws it downfield. His fumbles/interceptions almost always lead to points.
If he cuts that number in half, they could have won 10 games this year, easily. The Jets will be going back to the run more next year (supposedly), leaning on the control the ball/play solid defense formula that Rex wants (and one that I believe in, even in the pass crazy NFL of 2012).
I think Sanchez should be back, but if he continues to make awful decisions with the football, turning the ball over and hurting his team, he should be cut next year. Four years is enough to master ball security, for crying out loud.
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by kotite4ever on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
staystaystaystaystay
Don’t make him a scapegoat for offensive failures when we still don’t know what we have with him, but he’s got 2 years max to get his stuff together before I turn on him, too.
"Chrebet is magic!"
This may seem weird coming from me but I think he needs to go
Sanchez needs to restart his career with a different team and a clean slate. I honestly think the guy would be better off playing for an AFC or NFC west team. There won’t be nearly as much pressure and media coverage will be nearly nonexistent.
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I was surprised by your post
As I’m sure you might be surprised that I said “stay.”
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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 16, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
stay because...
I vote stay more because I do not think we have the options to really upgrade at this position. If we could get a healthy peyton manning then I would go for it but who else is out there? many of the options like flynn or whoever are not better than sanchez IMHO. I also think he really deserves a chance under a new system.
we also have more pressing needs like O line, pass rush, and safety.
I think it's a bit unfair to blame the entire downfall of the season on him
There were other problems on the team that really hurt us. Obviously Mark contributed to the season, i’m not denying that at all. He was just one of the several factors. Just my opinion, feel free to disagree.
I am recycling a comment but this needs to be said again
Sanchez was one sack away from leading the AFC in QBs getting sacked and 5 away leading the NFL w/ 39 sacks. That is significant pressure; so lets look at his pier group for being sacked: say sacked over 30 times:
of this pier group only (consisting of 16 QBs)
rodgers, romo, stafford, Brady, and Rivers had more TD than Sanchez
Of these names only stafford is in the same draft class as sanchez…yet Sanchez had higher…. nothing BUT STAFFORD HAS BEEN INJURED AT LEAST 40% OF HIS TIME IN Next behind sanchez is FLACO with 20 TDs … a year ahead of sanchez yet flaco only had 200 more yards than Sanchez but was pressured not nearly as much with 8 less sacks.
Now of those in his piergroup of being sacked 30+ times Sanchez has thrown more pics than all except for one QB…Rivers who is on the verge of being Elite QB…
The only problem is – throwing pics are a result of one of 4 things
Inability to read the Defense – This is a coaches job to teach and Sanchez has been surrounded by bad ones
Poor decision making…. this is all sanchez
Freak occurances … hits the WR/TE on the numbers ball bounces and defender picks it
QB under pressure.. again Sanchez 2nd in the AFC and 5th in the NFL… that is pressure!
So WHO DOES THAT LEAVE…um no one; STAFFORD is better statistically…but he is made out of paper and glass.
Nod goes to J Freeman who missed the #of being sacked by one w/ 29 for the season…but…even Freeman (same draft class a Sanchez) has 4 more interceptions and 10 fewer TD passes…WHILE UNDER LESS PRESSURE THAN SANCHEZ…So again I ask the question who is really better from that (or one up one down) draft class than Sanchez? Given what Sanchez had to deal with and the pressure he was under?
If you want to say can hehandle NYC media?.. the media in NYC is a bitch so…ok i can almost agree its a subjective argument, but how does sanchez deal with it… Banging two hot chicks in one night…not something Tebow could pull off right?
Look we got something special in this kid….dont get to down on him he really is doing fine
not to mention
I may have this wrong, but his very first play as a NFL Pro was a long deep ball. He can throw deep, but the guy that left the team on JAN 10 (now known as a national JETS holiday) really stopped him from taking deep shots so teams just consistantly stacked the box…
How many sacks were his fault, though?
I’d say most. This is a guy that habitually held onto the ball far too long and had maybe the worst pocket awareness I saw all year.
He would avoided half of those sacks by simply being on time with the ball. He would have avoided half of the remainder by simply sliding to avoid pressure.
How often have you seen him calmly step up into the pocket, avoiding edge pressure, while keeping his eyes down field? Can you honestly recall a single instance? Dude ALWAYS bails into that retarded back-pedal or goes into flight mode. You NEVER see him calmly step up into the pocket or slide step to his left/right.
He plays scared. Scared to make a mistake. Scared to get hit. Scared to pull the trigger.
Yeah Schotty and Hunter and Greene and Tomlinson are part of the blame. But 75% of it is on Sanchez.
by Crackback on Jan 16, 2012 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
75% is a bit much, at least 50% though.
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by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 16, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
75% is a bit to high
Its like he is suffering from PTSD from being hit so much. he spent a lot of time running for his life… that being said I agree hold on to the ball too long, (agree) scared to make mistakes / plays scared (agree) but bad awareness thats 50 50
The guy has been treated like a 2nd grader. here is an alarm clock here is a color code. here is this and that. dont look down field. This is all coaches gimmics (instead of just teaching) that have him in dont loose mentality. He who shall not be named that left on 10 January really did a job on this guys psychy…and its not cool. Its like they tamed a lion to not bite.
you know that's kinda funny
because you say he’s plays scared and yet he still holds on to that ball trying to make a play until he gets hit. If I were playing scared, I’d throw the ball away immediately.
The last time I saw him masterfully avoid pressure was the previous season when they he avoided several hits to make a good pass. That was before the line turned into a sieve and he barely had time to snap the ball.
Fix the line, run the damn ball and use the play action and I think you’ll see Sanchez returning to form.
You hold the ball too long when you’re scared to pull the trigger. You don’t step into throws or hang in the pocket when you’re scared to take a hit. There’s nothing funny about it.
i dont think that
I dont think he is scared of getting hit, and I dont think (from what i can see) that he is scared of throwing the ball…
I think he is scared of making a mistake in general, kind of like:
If i screw this up I got to hear shottys mouth.
Scared of making a mistake to the point that he lacks confidince in himself and over thinks to much. All in all the silly stuff the OC and QBC did to him are getting in his head and he cant just be himself
Its time to man up
Its this year or bust. With a new OC and hopefully some line help we will see this year whether Sanchez is really a QB or just a poser. There were several games that were left on the field not because the offence didn’t score but they gave the opposition points. Had the offence not done that and managed a few more first downs per game the defence might not have been winded at the end of each game.
Stay
Everybody was ready to call this kid the franchise after the last AFCCG and if the D had gotten off the bus for that game I don’t even think this an issue right now. He was obviously terrible this year, but let’s see if some better coaching can do something with him.
I’m not opposed to reworking his contract however.
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 16, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions
One thing that i don't think people remember
aside from the dumb picks he did a really good job throwing the ball the first three games, making key conversions and creating chunk plays. Something really just changed after that Baltimore game…seriously, that was a nightmare.
If Tanny can somehow figure out a way to get Peyton Manning and he knows him to be healthy, I would vote go, but the near impossibility of that makes me vote stay. No other better options out there.
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Peyton is damaged goods
getting manning this year would leave the jets in the same position next year that the colts are in now.
i really dont believe manning can stay healthy, then we sold the farm for nothing…
I would like peyton manning as a QB coach not on the field
Get peyton & Keep Sanchize
Let Mark learn. Re him up & he becomes our QB again after 2 years under Peyton’s tutelage.
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by ProfScorpio on Jan 16, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
what do you think it would take...
to get manning here? Revis, mangold, cromartie…. you got to make room for his contract cause peyton is not going to work pro-bono… and then we are like the colts are now?
NO THANK YOU
Not in a trade.
He’d HAVE to be cut for us to go after him & then in Tanny I trust.
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think about what you just said
when in the history of sports has that ever worked out? benching a qb for two years and hoping he comes out better than he was before? especially a qb like sanchez, who already has no confidence.
Stay, but I have to say that Matt Flynn is intriguing
Although he was given the keys to Green Bay’s top flight offense. I like Mark and want to keep him and give him another year of a healthy O line, but as I don’t know how much Mark needs an older mentor at this point as backup I’m not averse to Rex/Tanny bringing in a talented, hungry young QB to challenge him. I doubt, though, that Flynn could be that guy, as he’ll be given a lengthy contract to start in some hapless, QB-less city like Cleveland, Seattle, or DC.
Matt Flynn
has Kolb written all over him. Then again I also thought Cam Newton would be a bust so what do I know?
or Miami.
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by ProfScorpio on Jan 16, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Stay
If he doesn’t step up, then there are going to be some interesting QB options to consider in 2013
Barkley will likely be out of our reach and maybe Landry Jones, but Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray and Tyler Wilson and/or others could well be options.
Surround Sanchez with what he needs to succeed. If he doesn’t step up then his replacement will walk into a team with the complimentary pieces in place to be used immediately
Stay
If you look back at the “good” games they won, and the offense was good that day, he did well, and not the games were he was hammered by the D, which is a lot of games.
He took a beating this whole year.
Improve the offense line in 2012 with solid players, and he will get better, not great, but better.
Conflicted
John, I’m in the same boat as you. Team playoff victories are great, but, I don’t get excited about a specific player, because as important as QB is, he isn’t everything (as the SD and Indy 2009 games have shown). I think Sanchez was terrible this year. He took far too many sacks and turned the ball over too many times. I also think the receivers were terrible, on and off the field. The coaching wasn’t good, running backs not really any good, Oline didn’t block well.
I think he gets one more year. I think so for the reasons you cited regarding the leap QBs have made in year 4. I think the Jets are going to try and give him some more to surround him. If he turns in another season like this, then I suspect the Jets will move on and enjoy CapSpaceLife
I've had it up to here...
…with those that think Sanchez should be gone or was the primary problem last year. Too many fans are just so impatient and short-sighted it disgusts me. I’ve been waiting 42 years for a Jets superbowl – patience should not be a problem. I sat in the cold through 1-15 and 3-13 – I know what bad teams look like. All these “fans” are so friggin fickle. Last year Sanchez was a God; now he’s trash?! I think back to how Giants fans and the media were trashing Eli in his first three/four years. Giants put in a supposed washed up QB (Warner) and he sucked too (until went to a team with a good line and some playmakers – then he became a Hall of Famer again). Look at Eli’s stats his first 3 or 4 years. Look at Drew Brees’ stats HIS first 2-3 years. We’re not talking a huge difference between those guys and Sanchez. And we know Sanchez was coming in with much less college experience than the others. Point is, sometimes this stuff takes time. AND sometimes you need some support. Look at the playmakers the Saints have. Look at the receivers the Giants have. Do the Jets playmakers match even compare? Watch a Saints game. Count how many times Brees gets serious pressure on him. Do you honestly feel that the Jets line gave him that same level of protection this year? Saints gave up 24 sacks this year – second in the league. They gave up 51 QB hits – first in the league. Oh yeah, and how many road playoff wins does Brees have? Try ZERO. Put a better line in front of Sanchez. Give him some receivers that can get open and not pout like 8 year olds. Then let me see what he can do. All these people placing all of this at Sanchez’ feet don’t know what they’re looking at or talking about. Stop it already.
by GTS41 on Jan 16, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by ProfScorpio on Jan 16, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Stay
I am a big fan of Mark Sanchez and think he can still become a great QB. Unfortunately he will never put up great stats for this team because we have once again hired a terrible OC.
Sanchez will be great once we let him go and he plays for a coach that has a clue how to run an offense. Until then sanchez and Joe Flacco will be similar QBs; guys with ability but stuck in archaic offenses.
The truth that people dont want to face is that the Jets will never have a good offense until we hire real offensive coaches. Its not a coincidence that our offenses have consistently sucked since 1998 with the common factor being defensive head coaches who hire terrible offensive coordinators. Sparano is just the next in line of terrible coordinators following in the footsteps of Schotty and Paul Hackett.
I voted stay for a few reasons
First off, let me say that I was very disappointed in Sanchez’s performance this season. Even if you forget the fact that the O-line didn’t protect him well at all and Schotty was calling bad plays he still had a lot of problems such as poor accuracy for short to medium range passes, poor pocket awareness and poor clock management skills. However, the model for QBs was you come in, learn the system for a few years as a backup and then get a chance to start. Sanchez not only came in and started right away, but he only started for one year as a QB in college. I’m not convinced that he doesn’t have what it takes. It takes some QBs longer than others to make it in this league and Eli Manning is a perfect example. I say see what he does in 2012 and then make a decision. In the meantime, I fully advocate bringing in someone to push him and compete for the job.
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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 16, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions
you play him until your 100% he isn't your guy
even tho he had an average season i think we need to find out how much of it was him and how much was schotty . until we know for sure he needs to stay
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Good analysis. Stay.
2012 is the make or break year. Every negative point you made is accurate, but given the toughness and come back ability he showed last year (that being 2010), he definitely deserves a shot to improve. Take a mulligan for 2011 (and pleeeeeeeease, take away Mulligan as well) and lets see Sanchez resume his career trajectory from the prior year. I am hopeful with a back to basics offense, stressing power running and pass protection, he can at least be a competent game manager with a flair for the dramatic 2 minute drill when needed.
it isnt so much if he stays or goes but?
bigger question is will he be rec’d 100% in locker room? Rex Is saying He will correct this,BUT allowing what goes in a locker room for 3 yrs running, NO Coach can correct that problem in 1 off-season!!.
another problem I have is in Sanchez’s statement that NEXT season he and Holmes will be A-ok…If he couldnt fix it this season what makes Him think he can with a new season?
like another person said, I don’t see Sprano being the answer, why? well never was a OC at anytime..was a OL-Coach thrown into a head Coach position…
We need 2 TE’s like rest of League is seeing…LT was on NFL-Network and said that this past yr “WE” couldnt handle that 2 TE attack…He even said NE had a far better offense than WE Had!!!.I like too think LT knows what He is saying…
Stay. He's a good QB when he has time in the pocket and a solid run game to support him
I think sporano’s offensive plan plays to sanchez’s strengths… A fresh start was what the jets offense needed, and I think mark will benefit from that. Look at Alex smith, 49er fans wanted him gone for the longest and they stuck with him, now he has shut critics up and one game from the super bowl. Eli manning too. Give mark time.
+1
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by ProfScorpio on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Stay
He has the one trait that separates the good from the great: Clutch.
He has an uncanny ability to raise his level of play in the big spot. That’s the most important trait for a QB to have, and its the most difficult to find. All the other shit can be taught or learned over time. But you can’t teach clutch.
But the kid gloves come off. The honey-moon is over. When he sucks, he will be criticized. No more excuses. I don’t wanna hear about the OC, the RT or the running game, bc all that shit never stopped him in the clutch. Its time for the boy to be a man and raise his level of play all around.
by Crackback on Jan 16, 2012 12:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
He has until Week 9 in my mind. Also, for that to be meaningful, there has GOT to be someone legit challenging him for the job. Move McElroy up the depth chart?
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by blueandorange4life on Jan 16, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I love him and I hate him.
I will bash him when he sucks, and sing his praises when he’s great. But he’s been more bad than good this year, and I’m done looking the other way and making excuses for him.
We’re past the “he’s going to be good one day” stage. Its time to judge him by what he does on the field.
by Crackback on Jan 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dont completely agree
in the 2011 season, I think sanchez was as good in the clutch as he was in 2010
Stay
And your comments about how Sanchez should of been able to beat the Pats and Giants seem silly this morning.
by mangold'sbeard on Jan 16, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions
What's the alternative?
If someone wants to make the argument that the Jets shouldn’t have traded up back in 2009 for Sanchez, okay, that’s a reasonable (but not slam-dunk) argument.
But it isn’t 2009. We are going into the 2012 season, if you don’t stick with Sanchez, what do you do. Any reasonable alternative to Sanchez is going to cost the Jets…in terms of money, in terms of cap space, in terms of development time, or in terms of players in a trade.
The question is not Sanchez v. Luck. Or Sanchez v. RG III. The real question is whether you are so willing to dump Sanchez for Luck that you are willing to not only forego drafting a top safety, tackle or pass rusher, but you are also willing to maybe give up Revis and start over in terms of QB development.
The Jets are running a business. In business, sometimes you just have to make do with past investments. Maybe a past decision wasn’t ideal, but once you have sunk costs you can’t get them back.
The Jets have no viable alternative. They can either find a way to win with Sanchez or they can lose with or without him.
Interesting take
I agree with your thoughts. It actually made me think of this / these questions.
1. Should we have drafted Freeman instead of Sanchize?, and
2. If we did, would we be in a better position now?
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Yessss
Freeman was damn bad this year. But he was still WAY better in his first 2 years than Sanchez. The Buc’s defense is a mess and they had to fire their head coach.
Look at their first 3 years and Freeman was much better and more promising than Sanchez.
In 2010 Freeman: 61.4%completion 3,451 yards 25 touchdowns 6 int
In 2010 Sanchez: 54.8%completion 3,291 yards 17 touchdwns 13 int
Freeman has a brighter future….
by bitterlyhonest on Jan 16, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
My thing is
how the HELL do you draft a quarterback FIFTH OVERALL and expect him to JUST be a friggin game manager? Not even a GLORIFIED game manager, but JUST a game manager? If that was the case, they might as well have just kept their picks in the ’09 draft. And seriously, my question is not rhetorical. Someone please answer me lol
OK so who would have been better in that draft class
(SEE Above)
Stafford is made of glass and injured 40% of his time in the NFL
Freeman did not have as good of a year (considering pressure)
So at the time WHO would you have taken?
to high of a pick – legit I can agree
but it was either him or WHO? Remember this was back in 09 and i think either the Rams or Redskins or somebody…needed a QB also
Who would have been better?
A pass rusher named Clay Matthews. We would have been better off signing an UDFA or some other veteran Quarterback. At least that’s my opinion…
stafford just threw for 5,000 yards
and you wanna talk about how he was injured. whatever. stafford is wayyyyyy better than sanchez.
by bitterlyhonest on Jan 16, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lies, damn lies & Stats
I wont give any stats because we can all find stats that prove our points. He should stay. Give him a better line and another TE & WR threat and let’s see how he does with new coaching. He is CLUTCH (as was stated before) & you can’t teach clutch. He’s still developing just like Bres & Eli had to do.
Next Year is OUR Year (okay I did say that this year (and last year (and the year before . . .))) I can’t be wrong forever – stat’s say I have to be right eventually. :)
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Stay for sure
To me it’s a motivation thing, he just doesn’t seem that hungry to win, as much as we’re all conflicted on the Sparano hiring, he’s going to help him in two ways. The first being Sparano is a very passionate, hungry to win coach, which shouds put some fire in Mark’s belly and second, he’s a run first coach and we all know how good Mark can be when play action is set up. I think we have the wrong mentality in wanting him to be Brady or Brees, if he turns into Alex Smith or Joe Flacco, a game manager who doesn’t give the ball up, I would be thrilled,
by cstroh8 on Jan 16, 2012 1:26 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Oh Please
Honestly, to even raise the “stay or go” question about Sanchez is foolish. Yes, Sanchez had a weak year, but what conceivable alternative is there now (i.e., a proven QB with better numbers and track record than Sanchez who is available who will not DESTROY the team’s cap situation as Manning would)?
No Mas
Stay...unless you have a clearly superior alternative
a la healthy Peyton or Bradford. Someone on the Rams blog thinks they’ll be willing to trade Bradford. If that’s realistic and feasible I’d take Bradford over Sanchez. Otherwise it would be foolish not to give him a chance now that Schotty is gone.
I'm so SICK of these comparisons
Brees was not a top 5 pick.
Brady was a 6th rounder who was supposed to be a career backup but ended up being pretty damn good.
Just because some qb’s start out rough and then turn out good doesn’t mean the odds are Sanchez will end up good?
For every Rothleisberger there are a hundred Akili Smiths and Joey Harringtons.
What did Mark Sanchez ever do to impress? Oh yeah NOTHING. The Jets were foolish to draft Sanchez. If they wanted a QB to hand the ball off and toss the occasional screen pass and check down they wouldn’t have spent their 5th overall pick on him.
What I don’t understand is why so many people are acting like he’s done something so great? What is his tremendous upside?
I’m not against sticking with him, but it’s absolute bullshit that people can say he’s been decent….
He’s been downright bad. Just admit it. Damn.
People on his own team don’t believe in him.
When a QB has the simple role of Mark Sanchez and turns the ball over 26 times. You have a problem.
Bring in some competition and make the “Sanchize” prove he should be starting, for any team in this league.
Dude
In all honesty, where you were drafted means nothing in the long run. Sure, he was a 5th overall pick that had a disappointing season. Sure, he’s by no means great. But to say that you can’t compare him to brees or brady or whoever because of where they were drafted, what kind of logic is that? Everyone’s road to success is different. And did you seriously say he did NOTHING? Have you even watched any games!? He’s had 10 fourth quarter comebacks over the last two years, and he won four road playoff games over his first two seasons. Winning Playoff games on the road is very difficult, look at how many other players choke. Hell, he has the 6th highest postseason passer rating ever. And it takes time sometimes. Look at Alex Smith and Eli Manning for crying out loud. They were even less impressive at first. Think about what you say before you say it.
right on darshv3
I wish I could go back and find all the articles and fans that were trashing Eli Manning and Drew Brees their first three years (actually I probably could but I don’t have to because I have a memory). What I did do was go back and compare the stats of Manning and Brees their first few years to Sanchez’. First of all there’s no marked difference and nothing to indicate that Brees would throw for 5000 yards and 750 TDs this year. Both of those QBs were benched at some point. SD went so far as to draft another QB because they thought Brees was too small (oh yeah, Shotty was his QB coach… just sayin). So what happened? Brees went to NO and the rest was history. The Gint’s stuck with Eli and now he’s “elite”. The point is we all need to have some perspective and patience here – this is not fantasy football. Despite what you bitterlyhonest and a surprisingly large number of others think, Sanchez has done a whole bunch to impress in his career so far (see darshv3’s note). This year he had statistically his most productive year – improved 1000% in the red zone – with an offense that has no playmakers and a bad O-line (I live Brick but he aint no pro bowler this year). WIll he ever put up numbers like Brees or Brady? Who gives a shit?! Brees has 0 playoff road wins. Sanchez has 4. Marino was a stats machine and what did his teams do besides beat the Jets?
Have patience. Let’s see where we are in two more years.
Make Sanchez take a very big pay cut
and spend that money on the offensive line. If he won’t take a pay cut, then cut his ass. Sanchez got almost $15m this past year? That is beyond outrageous.
Very good posting!
The two AFC championship games of 2009 and 2010 had little to do with him. In 2009, they did it totally in spite of his existence. In 2010 he contributed a little more but not that much (although he was efficient I’ll give him that). The Jets got to those games, not Mark Sanchez. I voted stay but barely. He needs to show significant improvement or he has to go this year. I even have my doubts that he could beat McElroy in an objective and fair competition. It will never happen because Mike and Rex have their jobs staked to his success and they know it. That’s why Rex coddles him publicly so much. Also not helping him is the negativity in the locker room. There is so much bitterness that it’s going to cause even more issues than he would otherwise have. Bottom line- time to produce like an NFL QB or time to go.
stay
Remember back to the beginning of this season. In the first three games of the season, sanchez was on pace with the top qbs in the league. he had a completion percentage of 62.5% and a ypa of about 8 yards. Then, Mangold got injured and the o line imploded. Sanchez turned into that “scared chiuaua” boomer was talking about. When the o line was blocking in the early season, sanchez was good. the o line lost its confidence without mangold and never got it back. I do think when the pressure was getting to him, his mental strength was tested, and he failed (not that the overly complicated gameplan helped). from baltimore on out, every time he did something to boost his confidence, he ended up on the ground in pain (sometimes i think that he was injured, but downplayed the injuries, especially the pinched nerve in his throwing shoulder that screwed his accuracy). I think with a strong o line, recievers that get open, and health, he can be great and i want him in jet green
Great posting
This post is so good that it closes the chapter for me on the Sanchez thing until next season…. Really! I don’t want to fight with faithful Jet fans over our different views of the franchise guy.
So on that note let’s prey he can become some where close to Roethlisberger.
Peace out!
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