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Why you are wrong about the Jets

This is an open letter to my fellow Jets fans that are falling apart nearly as badly as the 8-8 Jets did in December.

In sports, and maybe life, its so easy to forget your past. Of course, as a Jets fan, we generally encourage our brethren to put the past behind us because it isn't really the type of history that weaves in and out of NFL lore. We arent the Packers, 49ers or Steelers.

But we arent the Same Old Jets, either.....

Star-divide

A few years ago, the Jets did something that no one likes to talk about, because it was unpopular and proved to be a waste of a year. The Jets dumped home grown Chad Pennington for future hall of famer Brett Favre. This was a failed experiment, as evidenced by the amazing start and terrible finish the 2008 season brought us. But the experiment didnt fail us, we failed it..

Favre went on in 2009 to have a career year for the Vikings. He literally dragged his dead, mangled body through the playoffs and ultimately was put down. But which Jets fan can honestly say that they werent feeling a bit of SOJ watching Favre week in and week out, putting up numbers we were expecting to see in 2009. Did that year belong to the Jets? Were we owed one year of unlimited excitment which the Vikings stole from us?

I say yes. And we got it ourselves, without Favre. First, we dumped Mangini, whose personality never fit with the loud and somewhat blue collar Jets fans. We wound up with Rex Ryan, and like it or not, he is the textbook definition of a Jet. Not because he popularized that phrase, but because he is a big, brash, players coach. He is a perfect fit for us and us for him and there is no other marriage for Rex but the Jets, no other market I can think of that he could fit as well as NY.

Next, we had a very exciting draft, moving up big time for Sanchez, and Greene, and Slauson, all 3 are starters. We had the fewest picks in 2009 (3) whereas the Patriots had 12. You might argue that this is to a fault, because of our eagerness to trade up and get impactful players. But we werent drafting for depth, we had immediate holes to fill - we knew Favre was going to retire (again) and we knew we had contract issues with Thomas Jones and several aging OL (Faneca and Woody)

2009 was a sucessful year for a first year QB and a first year coach. Many people expected the Jets to go 4-12, and our defense looked terrible in preseason, but of course, we were given a year of redemption. The Jets competed and through a lot of luck and hard work they made the playoffs but ultimately lost to the Colts in the AFC championship game after our 2ndary was picked apart like a thanksgiving turkey.

2010 was a tough year. We were limited severely by the "Final 4" rule, forcing the improvement of our team to come via trade and draft. And what to trade when you have nothing that others want? - draft picks. So again, trading youth for talent, the Jets added some CB depth.

The Jets had 4 picks, and picked up Wilson (who is coming on as a dependable Nickleback), Ducasse (a project we couldnt afford), Conner (a bruiser and a Rex favorite, no doubt) and Joe McKnight (a dangerous man to hand the ball in open space) to replace a departed Leon Washington.

Again, 3 of the 4 picks are impactful players. McKnight is the go-to on kick returns and lead the league in averages, Wilson is the "starting" nickle and has shown that he could some day soon supplant Cromartie for the #2 spot, and Connor - a luxury pick since we had bigger needs, but wise given we had an aging Tony Richardson upon retirement. Ducasse gave us depth on the OL, but realistically, this seems to be a pretty bad pick, and one that should be highlighted in 2012 - improve or waive.

Along with a list of big name signings and trades, such as LT, Cromartie, Taylor, Holmes, the Jets seemed poised to go all the way in 2010. And again, they had a few games that came down to the wire and we saw flashes of brilliance from Sanchez. And we made it all the way to our second AFC championship game in 2 years, only to come out flat against the Steelers. Despite a strong 2nd half, the hole was too deep and we were sent home early.

And enter 2011. Again, constrained by the "Final 4" rules, the Jets acquired 0 free agents, and lost 5+. In addition to losing Brad Smith, Ihedibo, Braylon Edwards, Ellis, Coleman and Weatherford, we also lost/cut Damien Woody, Jason Taylor, Kris Jenkins, all 3 veterans and probowlers in their days (and Clemens who just created another gap at QB but I doubt was missed). I'm sure I'm forgetting a few others.

So, the magical 2011 draft is supposed to fill these 8 holes plus the holes from years past, and somehow we are destined to make the Super Bowl. I could tell you right from the start this year was going to be a tough year. We lost QB, OL, WR, DL, DE, LB, CB, S, P - basically a person from every major position group but RB. 2 on special teams, 2 WRs, May I remind you we only even started with 7 picks.

Anyway, the 2011 draft comes and goes, and yet again, the Patriots draft 9, 6 in the first 3 rounds.

We did, however, manage 6 picks, and they included a repalcement for Jenkins on the DL (Kendrick Ellis), a replacement for Shaun Ellis at DE (Wilkerson, who looks to be a winner), a replacement for Brad Smith at WR/KR (Kerley), and 3 questionable picks in Scotty McKnight, Greg McElroy, and Bilal Powell. McElroy fits in as a psudo replacement for the departed Clemens, and McKnight supposedly as a replacement for Edwards (as a favor to Sanchez) and Powell, assumed to be the heir apparent to the #3 RB spot once LT decides to retire.

We left a lot of holes on the team. Scotty McKnight is gone and instead we went with ex-con Plaxico, who was a giant question mark entering the season. And the one thing Rex used to help the past 2 years' worth of rag-tag personalities bond (the summer in Cortland) was cancelled due to the lockout. Bad blood was already brewing in the locker room as Mason, Plaxico, and Holmes all had to compete for passes on a run first offense.

All in all, 2011 was supposed to be the incremental jump to the SB according to Fans and the press, but from the outside looking in, only a few could see that we had more holes vacant than filled, and that it would take a major improvement from our rookies and young guys to make up for the loss in vereteran experience and skill.

I wont recap the 2011 season but to say that the injury to Mangold or Leonhard, or Thomas wasnt the reason we missed the playoffs - but instead a very valuable "teachable moment". We learned we have no depth in the following positions:

OL - no one was around after an injury to Turner and Mangold. 5 guys on the line, and 1 backup?

LB - Bryan Thomas goes down and who steps up? We get Maybin from the trash heap.

CB - luckily there werent any major injuries to our CB but you want Strickland in as your Nickle?

S - Leonhard goes down a second time, and we give up 40+ points a second time. A trend?

No to mention the gaps previosly discussed.

Look, I am just tired of all the Tanenbaum bashing I read here. YES WE HAVE HOLES. YES WE NEED YOUNG TALENT. Were we wrong in 2010 to trade away picks for the future? No. 2010 was our year. But we've been hampered for 2 years where we could not actively participate in free agency. Meanwhile, the Patriots, who have not been impacted, have had dozen of draft picks over the same time period because 1. they could trade talent away for picks, and sign new talent. 2. can have the worst D in football and still make the playoffs cause their O scores 30+ points every Sunday. The patriots have bait we dont, and that is Tom Brady. His name draws players from across the league to that team. They dont always work out (ie Moss, Ochocinco, Haynesworth), but they are never far from pulling in talented veterans, where the Jets couldnt (due to the final 4 rules) and couldnt prior to 2010 (we hadnt been to the AFC since the 90s).

So yes, YOU ARE WRONG about the Jets. This isn't an organization in disarray. This is an organization that was held back for 2 years due to the final 4 rules and the only team in the NFL that had the restriction twice. The Colts and the Steelers were the other 2 teams in the AFC impacted by the rule, but neither had it both in 2010 and 2011. (NFC were the Saints, Vikings, Green Bay and Bears, again none had it 2x).

Is there infighting? Yes. Do we get a lot of press? Hell yes - we are NY, and there are lots of newspapers in NYC, NJ, etc. that have to fill their sports sections with quotes from players, and nothing sells better than a train wreck, real or imaginary. Daily News, Post, Newsday, WSJ, Star Ledger, ESPN NY, radio stations, all interviewing, all digging dirt. But these arent major problems. Players are traded, cut, or leave on their own all the time because of personality conflicts. Like I said, look at the Patriots parting ways with a number of big name players in 2011.

Want to see an organization in disarray? The Colts went from Playoffs to the worst team in football with an injury to their QB. The entire organization is riding on that either Peyton's fused vertebrae are good to go in 2012 or that Andrew Luck is not Ryan Leaf. What is the success rate of 1st round QBs? Under 50% for sure. (By the way, if the Colts do return to form, they get to play a last place schedule in 2012). Is Luck the real deal? That is irrelevant. The relevant part is that the entire Colts team lived and died with Manning, and no matter how good Luck is, I doubt anyone can ever command an offense on the field like Peyton does.

What about closer to home - the AFC East: What about the Bills? They weren't much to talk about for the past decade, and finally looked like they got things together, only to totally melt down the second half of the year to a 6-10 finish. Aside from a win over Denver late in December, the previous Bills win was in Week 8. And what about the Fins? They also finished 6-10, fired their coach and also have no answer at QB. Both of our aformentioned AFC rivals have no identity and really their fans have little to celebrate in the Jets finishing 8-8.

The worst part about our 8-8 season was that there is infighting in the locker room. And those will be solved soon enough. New coaches solve this issue all the time on troubled teams where the talent wants to leave for greener pastures. But for the Jets, there are a ton of positives this 8-8 finish gives us:

1. New offense in 2012 courtesy of a completely redesigned offensive coaching staff.

2. Renewed focus on plugging holes using free agency. Weve been very good at this over the years and I am sure we can count on some creative solutins again in 2012 now that our hands arent tied.

3. A more focused draft. I think the problems, coated with 2 AFC Championship appearances, are finally visible to all and will require a more focused draft. Do we trade up this year? Maybe (see 3b) But I also wouldnt be surprised to see us trade down and go for higher number of picks if we get a few gems in FA.

3b. Compensatory Picks - we'll get a bunch which become trade bait to move up in the draft or pick up some much needed depth.

4. Fresh look at our problem makers to see if they are worth the trouble, OR, said differently, if they can get back on the bandwagon. I frankly agree with Santonio and think that both Schotty and Sanchez were the problem in 2011. Should the captain speak up and get benched? No. He handled it wrong, but his observations seemed right.

5. Sanchez do or die year. Year 3 wasnt very good for Sanchez. He was getting banged around due to a less than stellar OL, was petrified about making bad throws and was just mediocre hitting guys for YAC, and struggled all year to get on the same page with his WR. The good news? We'll probably see Plaxico go off to another team (He is a FA and I cant imagine he wants to come back) meaning youth like Kerley, who looked very good with Sanchez late in the year, may get more reps, and it means we'll be back out on the WR wire looking for some talent. Do we have it in Patrick Turner or some of the other practice squad regulars? Knowing Tanenbaum, I could see him persuing a WR early in the draft (he likes to get ahead of contract or waiving players by preemptvely drafting their replacements).

5b - Sanchez back to fundamentals - The coaches want to go and start over with Sanchez. Undo some of the bad habits he developed trying to say alive this year, and bring him back to the fundamentals the Jets saw in him back when they visited him in USC. We'll get an entire offseason to work on the new playbook, a ground and pound playbook written for a physical offense. I think he'll have a turnaround similar (but maybe not the same magnitude) as Brees did when he left Schotty and went to the Saints. Not because Sparano is good at developing QBs per se, but because in the NFL, sometimes just a change makes magic (see Tebow in Denver).

6. Special Teams = Not So Special. Despite having some talented kick returners, our special teams struggled putting 8 balls on the ground, missing a ton of field goals at the end of the season, and having spotty punts. Westhoff is still the best in the game, but I think thinning out the backups with so many people hitting IR impacts special teams assignments, not to mention the inability to easily replace P and K due to final 4 rules. Expect competition here and new blood for 2012. A resurgence for Westhoff is all but guaranteed - he wants to retire at the top of his game and this year was not it. We have both Kerley and McKnight. I dont care which one returns kicks, it is a win/win situation.

7. Defense - we added some youth and have the right mix of players in some spots, but need to upgrade our OLB and S positions badly. 2012 will round out the defense, you can bet on it. DL seems solid and CBs (or the first 3) are probably among the best top 3 in the league. We need a pass rush and help over the top and help with TEs.

Anyway, this is already a long book, but if you made it this far, I just want to say that dont be so down on the Jets and ignore the media because its their job to write "poop" about the team. Know what is in your heart. Our owner wants to win. Our front office puts together blockbuster deals and goes after talent in all forms. We HAVE been good at drafting, given our limited sample size. We have talent on the team (some of which need a little bit of time to cool down and some new coaches to refocus attention back onto the individual players instead of pointing fingers at each other). We have a good core of youth and a good core of veterans, and some holes to fill. We have free agency coming up and the draft and lots of picks and good reason to be hopeful for 2012. We might be the Jets, but at least we arent the bills or dophins!

I know you draft haters, Rex haters, Tanenbaum haters, Sanchez haters etc. are already writing your nasty comments. Go ahead, and bring em. I'll expose you for being the hack, gullible, media loving, know-nothings you are.

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I'm very confused who we are, who they are, who you are and where I the reader (a few paragraphs anyway) fit into this
This was a failed experiment, as evidenced by the amazing start and terrible finish the 2008 season brought us. But the experiment didnt fail us, we failed it..

I didn’t fail any experiments. Favre got injured like Penny so many times before.

I know you draft haters, Rex haters, Tanenbaum haters, Sanchez haters etc. are already writing your nasty comments. Go ahead, and bring em. I’ll expose you for being the hack, gullible, media loving, know-nothings you are.

Wait, what’s going on…? I thought “we” were “we”? What happened to us…?

by CervezaVerde on Jan 16, 2012 2:54 AM EST reply actions  

I guess he is as tired of the nay sayers as I am

You make some great posts and I respect that, but realize how far we have come over the last three years. Two AFC championship games, and we were in the playoff chase until the very last game this year. There are many fans of other teams that wish they had our record over the last three years. We are not the same old Jets.

by viguy007 on Jan 16, 2012 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that two people can look at the same thing and have two different opinions

about what they see. And a discussion board like this is based on that. But hopefully they have a balanced opinion and do not attack others who do not agree with them.

by viguy007 on Jan 16, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I never knew!!

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I rec anything in which my name appears in bold, good or bad

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by Bro Namath on Jan 18, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i must remember that when i do my next mock lol

follow me on TWITTER @tinley24
i want jeffery in green at pick 16

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by tinley24 on Jan 18, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

+1…Totally agree with your post “CV”….you really nailed it at the end. It was just very frustrating sitting at home watching “what could have been” turn into “crap or 8-8”. I think the Oakland game was the tip-off that something wasn’t right for this team. That was such a winnable game and we let it fall through our fingers……just like our play-off opportunity. Now its in the past and time to look forward to 2012 . Now we have new opportunities and fresh starts for coaches and players.

"It's only through change we learn to grow".

by Canadian Jet on Jan 17, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I complicated a simple point

Yes, I wrote a ton to explain what was supposed to be simple – the Jets of late (2007+) have become the kings of free agency. We’ve acquired great talent to give us the gift of 2 AFC Championship appearances. And unfortunately our timing couldnt have been worse. We were limited as a “final 4” team for 2 years, the only team in the NFL that were limited both years, which severly limited our ability to compete – to replace lost talent, forcing us to move up in drafts to backfill open spots.

This penalty is partially what gets us to 8-8 in 2011, but 2012 the handcuffs are off and I think with a new OC we will get back to form.

So hang in there and dont let everyone tell you why we are crappy. We’re not. We are fighting with a hand tied behind our back but I know we are going to have an exciting offseason this year!

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

now that point makes more sense than your post.

and i agree 100% with it

if its for you it won't pass you.
i want jeffery in green at pick 16

Notre Dame vs. Navy: The Emerald Isle Classic
Date:Sept. 1, 2012
Location:Dublin, Ireland

by tinley24 on Jan 16, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that there's anything THAT wrong about the post, at least in the body of it.

I would just change the title, it offends the reader a little, before you even start reading it.

by Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 16, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, it is basically a call to those fans that think the ship is sinking. We might be taking on water, but it isnt as bad as one might think. Looking around the NFL, our hand is not perfect but a lot better than most other teams.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's Not True

The Final Four thing did limit the team somewhat, but not totally. Besides, constantly bringing in older FAs is not the way to go. That’s what Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones have done a lot of and where has it gotten them?

If Tanny had made better draft picks, not traded up so often or at least traded down to balance the trade ups, this team wouldn’t have the holes it does. He needs to do a better job. That’s the truth whether you want to see it or not.

If we’re fighting with one hand tied behind our back, it’s because Rex still has a lot to learn about being a leader and HC and Tanny and the scouting dept. need to do a much better job.

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by joeklecko on Jan 16, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, Great Post

The only thing you left out was the impact of losing Edwards. I do not believe the impact of that can not be overstated. His lost changed the look of our offense (stretching the field, chemistry with Mark) and his goofiness seemed to lighten up our locker room (Jet Boys, Beard, Back flips). Football is a business, but it is also a game that should be fun to get the best out of the players, enthusiasm and comradery.

by viguy007 on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Braylon

He might be another me-me-me WR, but he played really nicely with Santonio and Mark (remember flyboys) and the chemistry among WR seems fine. He might have had off the field issues, but I think he played like a jet on the field. Go watch some of those moster blocks he threw to open running routes.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In a video game, sure

Reality is he may have gone to jail instead of playing this season. And he is currently not on an NFL roster. Its just something to come to grips with. They moved on and history said they were right.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 16, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He was a better fit than Plaxico and certainly Mason. I like Plax, but I dont think he ever saw the Jets as a permenant home. He was on a 1 year deal and I doubt he stays.

Braylon did everything I think he could on field to earn his check (except dropping a few gems). He played hard and ran good routes, and blocked, and was a good teammate on the field. Off the field he might have been a bigger liability but you cant always coach kids to grow up.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly...he's clearly a hater and won't admit it

He likes to use absence as evidence. It’s a generalization that just doesn’t work based on what we see on the field. And I’ve never heard of Braylon being a clubhouse cancer for the Jets. Unlike another WR we have here…

by PowerBar on Jan 16, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We already did this debate once before

No need to simply label me a hater when you know I have a strong and long stated opinion. I was a very big fan of Braylon before the relationship with the team seemed to fizzle out at the end. If you can’t even try to see what I was talking about, and simply want to label me a hater, then we shouldn’t discuss further. Just agree to disagree.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 16, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Edwards did not go to jail, and remember the circumstances of the DUI

He was coming home from a charity event sponsored by one of his teammates. He had three other teammates in the car with him. He was not speeding or driving erratically, he was stopped for tinted windows. Everything says Edwards was a GOOD teammate, and there was no hint that there was any problems with our WR’ers last year. The Flyboys did not exist this year, it was every man for themselves. History said they were wrong to let Edwards go, just look at the record and our WR stats.

by viguy007 on Jan 16, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not getting into a Braylon debate

But my opinion aside, the team didn’t want him for some reason. And only one other team wanted him at a tiny salary then cut him before the year ended. There is obviously more to the story that we just don’t know.

You can argue his production was missed. But parsing out the details of a DUI as not so, so bad, well that just doesn’t help the case for Braylon.

by CervezaVerde on Jan 16, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention...

… the fact that B. Edwards stretched the defense. He helped M. Sanchez from the time he arrived in N.Y. and improved as a player until his departure. The chemistry was there, and I will never forget him dragging Patriot defenders into the end zone bouncing them from the playoffs. I would sign him today because the risk is worth the reward(I would like to see a poll on this).
When a QB loses an RT like D. Woody and three WR’s (Edwards / Cotchery and Smith) and the replacements are W. Hunter and P. Burris he will struggle. Nice post, like the media who circles an 8-8 team like sharks, some people who frequent this website will pick every statement you make apart. Nobody is perfect and like the problems within the team hopefully someday we will realize that we have a common goal. We may not always agree on the best way to accomplish that goal but we do not have to be mean about it.

by BachsOfRain on Jan 16, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

look

Braylon has never had a documented locker room incident as a club house and on the field poison that Holmes has. So this snide attempt at insinuating that is disingenuous at best.

by PowerBar on Jan 16, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i have a few points i'd like to address

All in all, 2011 was supposed to be the incremental jump to the SB according to Fans and the press

WRONG …. the fans and the medai never did this ,,,,, it was REX RYAN who guaranteed the SB this year . now reading your post , a lot of hate you have for the fans should also be directed at rex ryan in lots of instances because he was the biggest culprit at over hypeing his team

The patriots have bait we dont, and that is Tom Brady. His name draws players from across the league to that team. They dont always work out (ie Moss,
i would like a few of our FA signing to work out as bad as Moss did .we have Holmes who you could compare to haynesworth. any suggestions how the team deals with him?

don’t piss on me and tell me its raining . if you have confidence the team will fix all the problems , fine , but don’t get up on your moral high horse and look down on people who have concerns . its our right as fans to feel the way we want to feel , it doesn’t make us any less a fan than you ,

if its for you it won't pass you.
i want jeffery in green at pick 16

Notre Dame vs. Navy: The Emerald Isle Classic
Date:Sept. 1, 2012
Location:Dublin, Ireland

by tinley24 on Jan 16, 2012 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

Get an umbrella

And some thick skin. The goal of every team should be competing for the S.B., not to “Suck for Luck”. Rex likes to talk. We are Jets fans and have to deal with Giants fans, Patriots fans, Fins fans, the hating media, angry ex-players with axes to grind, and even some of our own fans. So I’m fine with whatever. It keeps the sport and offseason exciting and even when we have a tough year, you can look back and be proud that your coach is up there shoulder to shoulder with the fans that have to take the crap from their friends and coworkers every time the team loses.

You want to sit in the corner with a bag on your head, go ahead. But I want to stand tall, and I want others to be proud that our team can right the ship. Recognize we’ve been held back for 2 years in FA, a MAJOR tool we used to get to the AFC Championship games. Do you have faith in our front office?

We dont have luxuries other teams have. We dont have a magnet that draws aging vetarns to the team to play for league minimum like the Pats. So we have to make the best of what we got, play with heart and passion. We didnt do it in 2011. We need that spark again and I think 2012, a summer in Cortland and other things we do will get us back in the saddle for 2012.

You can sit around moping about 2011 for as long as you like. I recommend you close the book on a bad year, trust the team will start making the right moves to get us competitive in 2012. They already cut the OC after just giving him an extension 9 months prior so signs are pointing in the right direction.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Do you have faith in our front office?

i did have until this off season was wasted going after nnamdi and not looking for a RT or a better safety than smith .
facts are facts , and if we were so handcuffed this year going after nnamdi and not filling major holes was a major flaw in the FO this year .
i can move on but i’m not going to be like you a sweep stuff under the rug and act like mistakes weren’t made . i’m hopeful the FO can fix the problems they helped create ,but until they do they don’t deserve my sympathy for doing a piss poor job for a whole year …

if its for you it won't pass you.
i want jeffery in green at pick 16

Notre Dame vs. Navy: The Emerald Isle Classic
Date:Sept. 1, 2012
Location:Dublin, Ireland

by tinley24 on Jan 16, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

@Tinley – Are you going to the Emerald Isle Classic in Dublin? Have you booked yet? Did you go thru that affiliated travel site or are you booking a la carte? Any idea if possible to purchase tickets without being part of package? Thanks

by Ryan243 on Jan 16, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

yes i'm going but i live in ireland .

i will give you a website address to purchase tickets when they officially come out on sale over here . but you will easily get a ticket if you came over without 1 . i could also get you tickets and meet you b4 the game
email me so i can get in contact with you when the tickets come out . my address is on my profile

if its for you it won't pass you.
i want jeffery in green at pick 16

Notre Dame vs. Navy: The Emerald Isle Classic
Date:Sept. 1, 2012
Location:Dublin, Ireland

by tinley24 on Jan 16, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

Ok that is a good point. We dont win them all, with Nnamdi. But at least the Jets of 2011 were willing to compete for him. Should we have signed a RT? Well hindsight says YES!! Emphatically. But coming out of the 2011 playoffs (from 2010 season) Hunter played for an injured Woody and did enough to get the nod. I agree that he was terrible this year, and that losing Mangold and having no backups due to Hunter’s injury proved costly.

I remember years and years on inept front offices that didnt seem like they cared about the product on the field. Our current FO does, and given the chance, they do what they can to put the best people on the roster. I live in NC. The Panthers do very little to draw talent. Their FO is very quiet. They wont not have made the big offseason acquisitons, they dont try to move up in drafts, they dont try to get Asomugha. That is a depressing team to watch because it takes years to watch the team develop whereas the Jets make leaps and bounds each season by going after talent.

And I dont think there needs to by sympathy for the organization, this isnt about the organization or covering for them. This is about us fans putting the season into perspective. That we came in 2nd in the AFC E. We had some chemistry and injury problems. We had some depth issues. But the team is already addressing problems by cutting ways with Schotty, so I think its safe to assume we are trying to right the ship. Just dont give in to Cimini telling you day in and day out how we stink. Or others in the Daily News when they compare the “classless Jets to the perrennial Giants”. Ignore all that and know that this isnt the SOJ. We will have a better product in 2012 than 2011.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s ironic….I remember last year posting how this team should focus on drafting an OL in the first 3 rounds last year – and nearly everyone said I am wrong and it wasn’t a need…..Fact of the matter is that we are a ground and pound team (and we have always been and always will be under Rex) so the strength of that is predicated on OL play. So every draft we should be drafting at least 1 OL player – as you need to continually add depth and focus on developing guys for the future. I think a very important loss that has been swept under the rug was losing that kid who filled in at Center for 2 games when Mangold was hurt. Yeah, he didn’t dominate, but he held his own as a rookie undrafted Center in 2 tough games with minimal practice time and time with the team. Losing him was/is a big loss for this team. The Jets should have done everythign to retain that kid.

I think realistically this team has 3 OL that can be counted on – Brick, Slauson and Mangold. Everyone else is either old (Hunter) or a question mark (Turner, Hunter, Vlad). This team NEEDS to solidify that right side of the line and get some depth (which maybe we have the depth – just not the starters).

by Ryan243 on Jan 16, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

You didn't mention Brandon Moore

Sure he is getting older but he didn’t allow a sack this year and some say he deserved the pro bowl for a few years there

by CervezaVerde on Jan 16, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

your right about RT

but to me not going after a safety and just settling for smith was always going to have massive implications on our season . TE’s have killed us 2 years in a row .
and living in ireland i’m fortunate that i don’t have to listen to media to help persuade me about my team, i let my eyes do that . i still get ripped by lots of my pals who are al pats fan so i get where your coming from with that.

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by tinley24 on Jan 16, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Safeties are a big need

There is just no way around that. We don’t match up well against teams with big TE and the afc east is currently led by a team with 2 monster TE we have to face twice a year.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

that's why the FO doesn't get a pass from me

while they were busy with the nnamdi saga , we could have signed a safety to help out this problem . instead they ignored what could be seen by everyone and just got smith back.

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by tinley24 on Jan 16, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think youre right about going after a safety, but if you look at the FA list from 2011, the available safeties wasnt very deep, and the prize DB in the FA market was Asomugha (CB, SS, FS). Considering we lost out on him, we were lucky enough to get Cromartie back. Should we have pursued both? I think we were struggling to get the cap room to make Asomugha an offer (having players renegotiate contracts) and it was only once that fell through that we had the room to make other offseason transactions.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Going After Aso Was Foolish

It was a luxury, they didn’t really have the cap space (they had to restructure and guarantee some contracts which is hurting us this year), and a waste of time. There were glaring needs on this team and Tanny ignored them. He had 3 and 4 player drafts in consecutive drafts and didn’t trade down the following year to try to recoup some picks. Building through FA is foolish as the only way to build the team. It costs more and players generally are older. The best way to build a team is through the draft with cheaper, younger talent. Tanny deserves a lot more flack than he gets.

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by joeklecko on Jan 16, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe FA allow you to add skill and experience without having to give up draft picks, and 1st rounders havent exactly been cheap the years we are talking about here (ahem, Gholsten?).

Having said that, we have added a lot of FA in the 2007-2009 years that have contributed mightily to the success in 2009 and 2010. BUT due to the final 4 rules in 2010 and 2011, we were forced to TRADE our way into veteran players.

What were we trading? Draft picks. So in a way, this goes back to my earlier points that this hinderance is a major contributor to our lack of depth and youth. And you can give Tanny flack, but his hands were tied due to these dumb rules and I think he did the best any of us could have expected out of a GM given the situation we were stuck in. Or said differently, which GM in the NFL would have performed better given the unique rules we were subjected to for 2 years.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

ya the same 2 that LT just mentioned was our major problem in Both games

I think the league is changing to a 2-TE approach,and Jets and rest of teams need to approach this type of a Def during off-season…
But what Lt said does make sense(naming-suggesting was the Rec;s who spoke out)..Most ALL Rec;s have in there contract;s bonus for Catch;s..Yards after a catch and TD.s..so when they are not seeing there chances of getting there Bonus;s words begin,,,and I agree with some of there feelings for 1 Man means whether they see those $$$..and too see and learn HE still got HIS bonus;s(entitllements) thats is wrong!!!!

FO has caused this rift, and Coaching staff failed to address it so to keep there Rec;s making these extra$$$;s…I dont care what U say, But if u were a rec with such clauses U be upset and ticked off knowing u didnt get ur;s but Your QB got all of His!!!

by Jack2466 on Jan 17, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I have NO hate towards the fans

I wrote this for all fans, as a way to help those that are feeling down realize that we are playing with loaded dice here, and not in our favor. It is a call to reevaluate how we got here in 2011 and to realize that our team WANTS to win, WANTS to improve and for the first time in 2 years has all the tools afforded to the other 31 teams to go out and get the players to fix this (not to mention an offseason to let complicated personalities bond, which we missed in 2011 and probably were the team that needed it the most)

I know there are haters out there that love to complain and whine about the team – good fans, mind you, but nonetheless… Fine, but this is for those that are looking for that glimmer of hope, to see the glass half full and realize that we arent the 2-14 team, we are 8-8 and need a little TLC but can be a playoff contender in 2012.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

So now we aren't hack, gullible, media loving, know nothing things?

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Some are, but this line was a callout to those that just regurgitate what they read in the paper instead of analyzing with their own eyes and hearts. The NY papers are haters towards the Jets, especially when the giants are on a roll… Some fans live and die by their pen and this whole post was a call to block out the nonsense from the press and look at what we’ve done over the past 4 years and to reaffirm that the team isn’t a sinking ship – it is the product of 2 years of constrains, a terrible OC and a team of big characters that suffered from the lockout.

2012 is another year and will get us back on track… We have a lot of draft picks, some new blood and some holes to fill. Let’s wait until after the draft to evaluate whether the front office, Sparano, etc. are on the same page as the fans, because so far the last 4 years were among the most exciting Jets years I can remember due to the front office and coach Ryan.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No this was against anyone who is at all critical of the Jets

And the truth is there was plenty to be critical about. From Front Office, to coaching to QB, to offense, to defense to special teams. Just because you don’t want to hear it doesn’t make it any less valid.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I wrote it

So don’t tell me what I wrote or meant.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I can tell you what you wrote because it's up there at the top of the page.

Do yuo want me to start quoting you? As far as what you meant, since I’m not the only one to take exception to your tone and content, perhaps it might be wise to take a moment and reflect on the fact that as the person communicating, the onus of responsibility for getting your point across is on you. It doens’t seem as though you take criticism any better than you handle it when it is about the Jets.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever, if you read the whole thing and are taking issue with the parting paragraph then you missed the point of the whole thing. The start of the article is addressing those fans that see this as some awful year. I draw the comparison to other teams really having terrible years. I explained why we have struggled, and told fans to ignore the media and to feel that the team is in good hands, better hands than any time from the 80s, 90s and early 2000s.

Lastly, I invited the haters with nasty comments to go ahead and post them, that I would challenge their “conventional wisdom” as learned from hack writers for hating newspapers. I am willing to defend my viewpoints and that is that. However else you read this is on you.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at the last line.

" For ALL of you hack, gullible, media loving know nothings ".

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny cause you tried to quote me 3 times below (at the bottom of the comments) yet in none of those quotes is the word ALL. I guess just write whatever you want regardless if I said it or not. Here, let me quote myself for you:

I know you draft haters, Rex haters, Tanenbaum haters, Sanchez haters etc. are already writing your nasty comments. Go ahead, and bring em. I’ll expose you for being the hack, gullible, media loving, know-nothings you are.

So unless you are a draft hater, or a Rex hater or a tanenbaum hater, or a Sanchez hater, I’m probably not talking to you in that last line. But good try……

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You Are the One Who

needs to open his eyes and ears. I NEVER read the NY media. I go by what I see and what 40+ years experience watching football tells me. I don’t need some dyed in the wool homer (who chooses to stick his head in the sand and give excuses for the problems rather than being realistic ) telling me how to post or think about the team.

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by joeklecko on Jan 16, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So then this article wasnt written for you… move along.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This post is littered with so many inconsistencies, incorrections, 20/20 hindsight, and its tone is so condecending and acerbic that its just not a good read.

I found myself skipping around and disagreeing, annoyed that I wasted my time skimming this… thing. Then had a nice chuckle at the final paragraph, so I guess there’s that.

by Crackback on Jan 16, 2012 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

Crack

With what? Like what?

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude you called us the hack, gullible, know nothing things we are.

Don’t go crazy if this posts gets deleted and you get a warning from John B about this.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and media loving things we are.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I called the haters that. Reading is fundamental.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So people who don't like the Jets front office are idiots?

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

No, just you.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, no.

There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with stating your opinion of Jets “haters”, but this is where I draw the line and become the cranky overbearing mod.

Don’t insult my users, whatever their opinions may be. It pisses me off to no end.

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by Bro Namath on Jan 18, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree

Although the tone was by far the most annoying to me.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought that was an excellent post. I really enjoyed reading it.

And while I was very disappointed by how the season ended; having been in the AFC Championship Game 2 of the past 3 seasons ain’t bad! Especially as a Jets fan…..however I could have done with a big blowout loss by the G-Men last night at Lambeau…….But if anything, it shows how quickly a season can turn around – the Giants went from needing a lot of luck to make the playoffs and a team seemingly in disarray to being 1 game short of the Super Bowl.

I think at this time next year, we are going to look back at the past 2 drafts and feel very fortunate that we came away with Kyle Wilson, Joe McKnight, The Terminator, MoWilk, Kenrick Ellis and Jeremy Kerley (and I think that McElroy is going to be a very good backup QB in the NFL). Te only pick that I can really take exception with has been Ducasse – as he continued to look lost out there and for a second rounder seems like a massive bust. But who knows, maybe another offseason will finally help mold him into shape. In any event however, that is 6 most likely starting players on this roster that we got in the draft with minimal picks and drafting at the end of the round. I think if you were an outsider looking in – you would be pretty psyched with that type of draft day success.

I have read many of the posts about ideal mock drafts, Jets drafts, etc over the last few weeks – and until we see how players rise/fall at the Combine and the moves the Jets make in Free Agency (cutting current players, trades, signing FA’s, etc) I think it’s a crapshoot at best to say what is the best course of action for the Jets in the draft.

I may be in the minority – but I do think that the Jets would be wise to try and bring Braylon Edwards back on a 1-2 year incentive laden contract. He seemed to work well within the offense, his downfield run blocking was sorely missed this season and he had good chemistry with Sanchez. I think part of Sanchez’s problems has been the lack of continuity at the WR spot over his short career. For an inexperienced QB like Sanchez, it is imperative to have consistency at the WR position.

I agree that the big needs of this team are to address OL (we NEED a starting RT and should be drafting a RG with eye towards future as well), S (both strong and free are really needs – and at least 1 who is a good cover guy), LB (I think a case can be made for an ILB as well as OLB), Designated Pass Rusher (Maybin fit that role nicely this year and I assume he will be resigned, but with Rex’s crazy schemes – I would like to see 2 designated pass rushers on the field in some situtations), and another young WR to groom to play alongside Kerley, Holmes and Sanchez.

However, if Richardson is sitting there at 16 on draft day – I think you don’t blink and take him at 16th to put him into the offense alongside Greene as a monster 1-2 running attack with McKnight as your 3rd down/situational back. I don’t know enough about Powell – but if you end up with Richardson – I think you have to look to move Powell for a late round draft pick to address other needs…..and I know this is not the popular viewpoint – but I think the Jets NEED to bring back LT for 1 more season – as this team sorely needs veteran leadership in the lockerroom.

I also would not be opposed to going for another pass catching TE (and maybe Cumberland will be that guy) as we have all seen firsthand how potent an offense can be with 2 TEs who can catch balls over the middle and create matchups from hell for the defense.

by Ryan243 on Jan 16, 2012 8:39 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thank you.

At least someone read the whole damn thing and got my points. And I agree with you re Braylon. I guess people cant get past the “Brett Farve” section….

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

We aren't saying this is a bad post ( i disagree with alot though ).

None of us should have commented because apparently we are hack, gullible, media loving, know nothing things.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wanted to point out something,

When Leohnard went down we gave up 45 points the game after this year and last year against the Patriots and the Eagles.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

Not that you're wrong but that would have been a more interesting fact.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

That is what I was alluding to in the list of injured players, saying we lost 2 times each after he was hurt, by 40+ points. I didnt mention the teams, but I appreciate the point.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

But the experiment didnt fail us, we failed it..

To clarify – The point here was that Favre had plenty left in the tank in 2008. He gave us a great 12 games before getting injured and ultimately missing the post season. People said he was done and we should never have made the trade, and want to erase his name from Jets history, but the fact is our front office made the move and it was a good move, as proved in 2009 when he was as good as he ever was. That old man was our QB and we could have had 2 good years, so dont hate on the front office for trading for him… it wasnt the same as getting Mason. WE fail to realize that it isnt about Favre, it is about our FO’s ability to make those big moves, to know he still had a few seasons in him when everyone else was telling him to retire. That is what fails us. We fail to see how good we can be about acquiring talent when we are allowed to move freely in FA.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

History is a funny thing

We never cut Brett Favre. In fact, he retired before the draft, which sort of forced the FO hand into looking at a QB in the draft. Once we picked Sanchez, then Favre asked to be unconditionally released from the Jets. Here is the timeline:

The week prior to the Super Bowl, Farve told Tanenbaum he intended to retire.
On Feb 11, 2009, Favre told the Jets he was retiring.
On April 25, 2009, The Jets traded up and drafted Mark Sanchez with the #5 pick in the draft.
On April 29, 2009, Favre asked the Jets to give him an unconditional release.
Favre signed with the Vikings in mid August.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if you're retired. You cant cut someone who isnt on your team.

He had no salary, no salary cap hit, no spot on the limited roster, no playbook, no interaction with the team. He was retired. Why are we splitting hairs? By the time Favre signed with the Vikings, we were already in our 3rd preseason game with Mark Sanchez so I wouldn’t categorize our effort as “aggressive” since he made his decision to retire before the NFL season (or at least the Super Bowl) even ended.

Maybe we tried to convince him not to retire, but I don’t know how that conversation would have went or sounded….

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by NC_Scott on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

This is along the lines of why I wrote a post defending Schotty

I wasn’t really defending Schotty so much as trying to make a point that he’s being scapegoated for bigger issues on the team. I think Rex, Mike and Woody are better people than you would find on a lot of other teams. But I am also tired of Rex either acting like he’s in total denial, or worse, actually being in total denial. The team as it stands now needs a lot of fixing.

Now, I get that bringing in Sparano was supposed to fix things in offense and get back to basics. And that’s fine to a point. But I think there’s some denial with Rex that he can win a championship by going back to old school football. Without Sanchez going through significant improvements, it is absolutely impossible. 2002 was the last time a team won the SB without a franchise QB (Brad Johnson) and even he was better than Sanchez is now. I guess, with hindsight being 20/20, I wish they had never drafted Sanchez as, unless he seriously turns it around in 2012, that pick will have set us back a lot of years…

by noonan1974 on Jan 16, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

If you want to preach about how great Tanny is

Explain the wisdom of giving a trouble maker like Holmes that kind of contract. Now we’re stuck with a guy who quit on the field at the end of the season (which is completely unforgiveable). Or how we’re stuck with Scott and Pace even though their production doesn’t warrant the kind of contracts they have. Or having Hunter as our starter this year. This is definitely a team in disarray. The sniping, the comments bashing Sanchez from within the locker room, all of it points to that. Sorry you’re too much of a homer to acknowledge it.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 16, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

The jets are the home for misfit personalities. Rex has, in 2009 and 2010, got the message across. Holmes did wrong by speaking out or quitting on the team, but I think his frustrations were accurate. Sanchez is too afraid to throw a pick so his passes and virtually uncatchable. Schotty never played our strengths, and we underutilized Holmes all year. In 2010, he caught more than. A few game winning balls.

Yes, we suffered from not having time in Cortland, but most sports teams are full of tough personalities.

All teams also have falling veterans. That is how we got some in the past and why we cut some too. These salaries aren’t guaranteed and you cut guys when they underperform or try to renegotiate. We have work to do, for sure, but that is why there is free agency and drafts. To improve your team. We’ve been severely limited, moreso than ANY team in the nfl in the last 2 years and we’ve gone older and were forced to waste picks on trades and to move up int the draft because of this.

So give the FO an unhindered offseason to do what they do.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

just one question?

I started being a Jets fan this year so I’m a little new to things but…

why have they held training camp in Cortland, Ireland in past years?

by macbethanite7 on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Cortland NY – its upstate someplace.

by Ryan243 on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope your not a geography major lol

but i wish they had their training camp in ireland lol
a few pints of the black stuff might calm holmes down a bit

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by tinley24 on Jan 16, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

NC_Scott

I had one thought about the Mangold/Turner injury.

A Center is a lot different the the other members of the line. A Tackle can be swapped to the other side with a readjustment of understanding certain parts, likewise with the Guard. The transition from say Guard to Center is a lot more difficult. In theory you shouldn’t need a third string Center and when you do, you better have an elite QB, and even then its hard to win.

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by Noble_Lance on Jan 16, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I agree with pretty much everything you have to say here… especially the part about the fans. Everyone expects perfection. These fans would be disappointed being a Patriots fan (“How can you give up 17 points to Denver?! GAWD!”)… Tanny’s not perfect. Some quesitonable moves; lots of really good ones. Sanchez is not perfect. But I didn’t see Brady, Rogers, Brees, Big Ben or any quaterback named Manning in the championship game 2 years in a row. Fans just got STFU sometimes. I remember watching the Jets go 10-6 and come within two missed field goals of the AFC championship game in ‘04 and the idiots behind me at the game complaining because Pennington’s throws were a little soft. I don’t care if he throws underhand if it gets us to the Super Bowl! Be happy with what you have Jets fans. When it seems bad just think about sitting in the stands freezing your ass off watching Browning Nagle, and Bubby Brister and Neil O’Donnell and having coaches like Bruse Coslet and Rich Kotite. And then if you can’t find something good to say about this team go root for the Giants (until they lose of course).

by GTS41 on Jan 16, 2012 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't expect perfection

I sure as hell expected to make the playoffs. I expected to not end the season with a 3 game losing streak. I expected a lot but Rex told me to expect a lot. Shouldn’t he and the rest of the team be accountable for their performance? I think it’s laughable that people like you expect diehard fans to not be critical of their team when it underperforms as the Jets certainly did this year. If the players and coaches can soak up the cheers when we win, they should be able to handle the jeers when they don’t play well. And it’s too damn bad if you don’t like it. Nut up or shut up.

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by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It's unfortunate...

Sorry to say this OldJetsFanatic but the comment “I expect a lot but Rex told me to expect a lot” is why we as Jets fans come off as gullible/stupid to fans of other teams around the NFL. By no means do I believe you are gullible or stupid..I’m just lettting you know how we are seen by others. I’m sure you’ve been around long enough to know in this world to seperate what someone says from what you see/experience. Imagine if you brought into it every time a car dealer told you that their cars are the best…you’d probably often be broke and dissappointed. By no means am I saying that you should be happy or content with the results of this season but that particular reasoning is a poor answer as to why you have such high expectations…if that’s the case we would be better off rooting for a team that finishes dead last every season so they don’t give false hope by being competitive. Not to put it exactly on the same plain but your U.S. Military works with a similar mentality to Rex…the military works with a “Can do!” mentality even if they know that the end result could potentially be a sh!t sandwich. While Rex is not 100% like the military in the way he does things he has a lot of similarities (at least to the Air Force) from my experience. The general method of dealing with a lot of people issues (Holmes/Schotty would be good examples) is praise in public, punish/reprimend in private. Granted there are areas that Rex is in no way like the military in how he does stuff but I do see that there are bits and pieces. Sorry…I got slightly off on a tangent but my point still stands that we need to have some common sense when we hear Rex say something and understand that he needs to approach the challenge with a “Can do!” attitude. Have confidence in our team to compete and go all the way but always keep in your mind that things can and will go wrong at times.

by Mac N Cheese on Jan 16, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I want my coach to say publicly and loudly we are the best and SB here we come

And privately he is honest with his team. His job is above all, to give the fans hope and sell tickets, secondly to improve the team so it matches his expression of pride. Remember Pro-football is a business first, an entertainment, and a sport second. And I guarantee you Rex sells tickets to those who love him and those who want him to fall flat on his face,

by viguy007 on Jan 16, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know me?

Do I know you? So why are you taking what I wrote so personally? Did it strike a nerve?
I never said not to be critical – and, trust me I am critical of several things this year and I’m incredibly disappointed at the way the year turned out. I’m a lifelong fan and 20 year season ticket holder but I can still look at the team objectively and not just take what Rex says as gospel and likewise not take practically anything the media says seriously.
My problem is with the “fans” that post on this site and others and lay 100% of the blame at Sanchez’ feet or Tanny’s feet. The point is there are several things that went wrong this year and comments like those are uneducated and I’m just tired of reading them.
There are a lot of very educated Jets fans – you may very well be one of them – but there are an overwhelming number of nitwits and I wish they’d go jump on some other bandwagon,.

by GTS41 on Jan 16, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Be critical if you want, but the work that needs to be done isn’t a mystery. We’ve had our hands tied for years and forced to pursue players using very crafty trades and pickups. I think 2012 gives the front office some breathing room to get things right, so before we all go off the deep end, I think we should think of this team as a 8-8 team that suffered for some terrible play calling and a lot of injuries to a already this reserve system, and not a team that needs to be imploded and rebuilt form scratch as so many people and writers are saying. Sanchez is still a kid and we gave Pennington tons of time and have had more success with Sanchez so maybe just ease up a bit and see it for what it is.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

How can people not be critical?

The locker room that the great Tanny has built has become a wasteland. The QB he drafted has regressed and he never added a viable backup to push the kid. Dont even get me going on the lack of depth. I also dont think there were final four rules after the 2010 season.

Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.

by YankeesJets on Jan 16, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, that was in response to the post above. Anyway, the final four rule was in place for 2010 as it was the uncapped season. By 2011, there was still no CBA signed (by March 2011) so final four rules were in effect again, but ultimately a deal was reached over the summer setting the salary caps, etc. so I dont think the rule is in effect for the 2012 FA season which starts in a few months.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 16, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys, how do you repeat the text someone said into that blue box?

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

You go to their post and "cut" and...

“paste” it into the body of your post. Then you drag you mouse over the quote and select blue " from the options above.

B I S "
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by CervezaVerde on Jan 16, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you draft haters, Rex haters, Tanenbaum haters, Sanchez haters etc. are already writing your nasty comments. Go ahead, and bring em. I’ll expose you for being the hack, gullible, media loving, know-nothings you are.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry i tried to quote it in that blue box.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you draft haters, Rex haters, Tanenbaum haters, Sanchez haters etc. are already writing your nasty comments. Go ahead, and bring em. I’ll expose you for being the hack, gullible, media loving, know-nothings you are.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Ughhh.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you draft haters, Rex haters, Tanenbaum haters, Sanchez haters etc. are already writing your nasty comments. Go ahead, and bring em. I’ll expose you for being the hack, gullible, media loving, know-nothings you are.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 16, 2012 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

horay

we’ll make a blogger of you yet lol..
don’t worry , today was the 1st day i have ever posted a picture as a comment and i was left scratching my head once of twice lol

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by tinley24 on Jan 16, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you draft haters, Rex haters, Tanenbaum haters, Sanchez haters etc. are already writing your nasty comments. Go ahead, and bring em. I’ll expose you for being the hack, gullible, media loving, know-nothings you are.

This statement I have a problem with because everybody outside the organization including me, you, the media, the fans, and everyone on this site are know nothings. The front office makes the decisions if we like them or not.

hacks, gullible, media loving

that is not called for, Stay classy NC_Scott.

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by oneg82 on Jan 16, 2012 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

I liked this post a lot.

NC has a lot of anger, which I also feel….but I kind of feel it towards the media / Giants fans / Pats fans / casual sports fans (the jetz are falling apartz!!ROMFL).

I didn’t take offense at it, but I guess to each his / her own.

I feel like for opening home game next year, this fanbase needs to scream their lungs out and let the NFL know that we aren’t ready to give up yet.

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by CharlieIsles on Jan 18, 2012 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

YES!

Anger towards the media for me mostly, but this is article was supposed to give people hope and help explain how we landed at 8-8 and to NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE that we are a team in disarray, but finally our circumstances have caught up with us. Any team that didnt make the playoffs, any team that didnt make the conference championship, had a failure of a season. We have some finger pointing in the locker room. BIG FREEKING DEAL. These are 30 year old millionaires, so dont worry about their egos or whatnot. We were 8-8, finished 2nd in our division, and have some work to do, some chemistry to repair… but you dont have to abort all the progress we’ve made and cut ties with Tanny and Rex like so many fans were quick to do in 2008 with Favre, because you had a bad year. These 2 have proven to fans that they can draft, trade, sign, coach and win. We have good talent in a lot of roles, and some growing to do in others and some holes to fill, but I’ll take this over my hometown Panthers, or AFC East rivals fins and bills any day of the week. Yet you dont see national articles talking about they imploded. Why us? Because they root for us to fail.

As for 2011, some years will be better than others, but I for one do not want to go back to the early 90s coaching changes every other season. Rex and Tannenbaum have made it further than Parcells did with the Jets, and let’s face it, 8-8 isnt a playoff record, but isnt the same as 2-14.

I see the same thing with the Colts – they finally missed the playoffs and cut their GM and Coach. Those seem like drastic measures for a team that’s won a SB in the not too distant past and played for one 2 years ago.

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by NC_Scott on Jan 18, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a very asbolutist, aggresive, and borderline arrogant post; but I see what you're getting at

While I agree with several of your positive factors coming out of the 8-8 season, I think there is more than plenty to justifiably criticize or “hate” about the team, even if some are never happy.

Arm chair GM. Mod/contributing writer at SBN Jets blog GGN.
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by Bro Namath on Jan 18, 2012 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

absolutist, even*

Arm chair GM. Mod/contributing writer at SBN Jets blog GGN.
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by Bro Namath on Jan 18, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok.
Why you are wrong about the Jets

.

Ok, so you’re telling us that we are wrong and you are right no matter what? We can’t have opinions and we should just say, oh, i’m wrong because this guy has a different opinion them me.

Hack, gullible, media loving, know nothing things you are.

Uncalled for.

The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.

by sanchise6 on Jan 18, 2012 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

i think he gets it buddy lol

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by tinley24 on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

CIrcles

Ok this is really the last time I can try to defend my writing here to you, if you refuse to actually read what I wrote. This article was not an attack on Jets fans or even addressed to everyone on GGN. The first line states:

This is an open letter to my fellow Jets fans that are falling apart…

This was meant as a letter to fans that were literally losing hope and faith with the team, a team that finished in 2nd place with an 8-8 record.
I blamed a lot of the hype on the media, overblowing lockerroom stories that help fill pages in a town (and nation) that loves to watch the Jets fail.
we are NY, and there are lots of newspapers in NYC, NJ, etc. that have to fill their sports sections with quotes from players, and nothing sells better than a train wreck, real or imaginary

I explained that I thought that we do have real concerns but they werent part of a trend of bad off season moves or drafts, that in reality, the team was severly hampered by the NFL rules applied to the final 4 teams, and that these rules were applied to us 2x and that while they may have made sense when the clause was written years ago, the fact is that they were SEVERE and forced us to trade away picks to plug holes in the team since free agency was basically off limits. Don’t like Holmes? We traded for him and lost a 5th round pick because that is the only way we were acquiring a talented WR in the 5th round (or in FA). His bad attitude is not caused by the final 4 rules, but him being on the Jets is.
I defended the coach, the front office saying that I think they did a good job given the situation. I explained my thoughts on Sanchez and his development, and on other position players.

The title of the article specifically talks to those that believe the team is in disarray. Evidenced:

So yes, YOU ARE WRONG about the Jets. This isn’t an organization in disarray. This is an organization that was held back for 2 years due to the final 4 rules and the only team in the NFL that had the restriction twice….

So either you do or do not think the team is melting down. If you do, that is an opinion you hold and opposite to mine. I hope after my long and thought out arguments you can be convinced otherwise, and I think I’ve done a good job conversing with people over their counterarguments. If you dont think so, then the article really isnt relative to you because it wasnt written for you or addressing you.

But I knew that there would be trolls from other teams, or even folks here on GGN that would start posting things that would get personal, because of their strong beliefs in the opposite direction from me.

….are already writing your nasty comments

So I added a note to the bottom of the post inviting those meanspirited comments, indicating that I would defend my points and especially to those that just regurgitate the nonsense coming out of Cimini and other news outlets that publish just to sell papers, and expose them as not having an original thought on those topics. If you have original thoughts, and kept it civil, my responses have been fair and civil too. My actions spoke louder than my words, so to say. I never said that all fans are hacks or everyone who disagrees with me are know-nothings. I said it to the HATERS that wanted to leave NASTY COMMENTS.

hack, gullible, media loving, know-nothings you are

Hack: A writer or journalist producing dull, unoriginal work
gullible: Easily persuaded to believe something

These arent insults, I didnt say “stupid, ugly, fat, dumb, inbred,” I said, to those that hated and wanted to write nasty (hateful) comments, that I would expose their reply as unoriginal, as they were easily persuaded by the general media, and hadn’t an original thought (know-nothing). All 4 of those words are complimentary, not insults but a series of adjectives that support my overall article that says the MEDIA is causing this frenzy. Was it strong and direct, YES. But it wasnt directed to ALL as you tried to claim, and it is actually quite specific in who and what I was referring to.

I reread the article a dozen times and I think I pointed out the so called controversial lines in it in this reply. Considering how many football related points I made, Sanchez6, I’m surprised (and why I keep on responding back) that ALL you have for me are attacks on the tone of the article but I dont think you posted anything substantive about the content. And when I ask people, “Ok, so what are the half truths or errors”, I generally get a blank stare (or a lack of a detailed response). So I get it. You think the article is mean and hateful. But other people gave it good reviews. Probably because they read the content and realized that the article is aimed as those people who think that this is the beginning of the end for the NY Jets.

And your friends are right, this is beating a dead horse. Geez….

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by NC_Scott on Jan 19, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I can agree with much of what is written here.

I also did not expect a Super Bowl out of this team but I didn’t expect the level of inconsistency, poor play and poor coaching. Having said that, I think your conclusions are more optimistic than I would be. First, in regards to FA, before any contracts are restructured, we only have about 8 million in cap space, and the only reason we have that is because we were 8 million under the cap in 2011, and under the new CBA we can take a credit in 2012 for what we were under in 2011, when everyone was screaming at Tanny to use the money to sign depth. Maybe he knew something we didn’t?

Second, this is a very slow team, especially on defense. I’m not the only one who says this – so do a lot of other commentators and analysts. It’s not just the Smiths and other players who won’t be back. There is not way we can significantly improve the overall team speed in one draft and off-season, but we can make a good start, and that is one of the key factors I believe will be involved in any talent evaluation made of both the available FA’s and the potential draftees.

by Traveling Man on Jan 20, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Good post.

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by joeklecko on Jan 21, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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