For all those with a negative view on the sparano hire
Well Jets fans, we got our wish. Brian Schottenheimer is now gone. Before the season even ended we were talking about bringing in Someone like Norv Turner or Josh Mcdaniels. Well it turns out Norv didn't get fired and Josh Signed with the patriots a couple of weeks ago. Also, McDaniels is still a firm believer in the Patriot way, so be honest, do you really think he'd sign for a job with the Patriots' arch-nemesis? Anyway, those two were quickly out of the question, so we turned our attention to Bill Callahan. Well, we did interview him, but his interview was outdone by Tony Sparano, so now the former Dolphins head coach is our new OC. As far as I can tell, there seems to be a fairly positive feel about this, but I see that a lot of us are like, "this is awful! we're not gonna be any better! the organization is stupid!" (all due respect to those who think that). I say we need to calm down a little and take a look at what Sparano brings to the table.
In his conference call yesterday and in a 1 on 1 on the jets website (http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos-and-videos/videos/Tony-Sparano-1-on-1/17a80240-89a1-4628-9b47-f5d4cfcabdd6) he's said that he wants to keep it simple with a physical, power running game and with vertical shots down the field. Quite frankly, this is exactly what this offense needs to do. We were at our best when we were running the ball well and taking some deep shots. It also opens up play action, which Sanchez is very good with. We can wear out the defense by running the ball, and the kill them by going deep when they're worn out. Sparano also used the wildcat in Miami, which Kerley seems to be getting a hang of. So the mindset that he wants to have with the offense is good. We haven't seen how it's actually going to work out, but we at least know his mind is in the right place. Schotty's mentality was to keep dinking and dunking the ball down the field making it way too easy and predictable for the defense to stop. We've even seen the Dolphins take shots down the field before when he was the head coach (anyone remember the Dolphins' first offensive play in that sunday night game in 2010 when Hartine beat Wilson on a deep route and Henne just missed him?) The general idea here is that the kind of offense he wants to run seems to be one that's ideal for our team.
Now, let's think about Sanchez. This was one of the red flags when sparano was hired: he has no history of grooming young qbs into successful players. I also some concerns with this, but let's try and look back at what Sanchez was good at in college. He could throw a really nice deep ball, which he hasn't at all gotten a chance to do this year, so i'd imagine he's rusty with it. But one of his main draws out of college was how far he could throw the ball down the field. He needs to get back to doing this and doing things that he's comfortable with doing. Ever wonder why Tim Tebow and Cam Newton have had success with what they're doing? It's because they're doing things that they're comfortable with. This is another key thing that Sparano brought up in his conference call, he said it's important that the offense fits the players that you have. This is another area where I think Schotty failed. He treated Mark like he was a weak-armed west coast passer that has to make a bunch of really tight precision throws without making any mistakes. Sparano also said that he's gonna have a back-to-basics approach with Mark during the off-season trying to clean up all the little things. Again, he doesn't really have a history of grooming quarterbacks, i'm aware, but he's saying all the right things, and we could end up with Todd Haley too which would be a big help.
Bottom line here is that we don't need to instantly denounce the sparano hiring as a bad move. Of course it's a bit of a gamble but he's said all of the right things and we did get our wish of getting rid of schotty. Don't keep talking about how bad of a hire you think this was and how you think it's gonna fail. The guys in that building know more about what's going on than any of us do.
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Wrong wrong wrong
this was a terrible hire. Im curious for those that are defending Sparano have you watched the Dolphins play offense while he was coaching there? Well trhe Dolphins offense was every bit as predictable as ours and they didnt score any points either.
When judging who we hire I like to look at a guys track record. Sparano has an awful track record as his Dolphins offenses completely sucked. I really dont care what the loser says in a press conference as all of these guys sound great when talking about how they want to play offense.
We had Todd Haley and Hue jackson available for sure so I dont want to hear the nobody better was available argument. Haley and Jackson have both proven to be good offenswive minds and excellent play callers. We also could have interviewed coaches off of successful offenses like Green Bay and New Orleans. i think there is a fairly good chance that we could have hired Tom Clements away from the Packers.
No other team besides the Jets would hire Sparano as offensive coordinator. There is damn good reason why the Miami fans are laughing their asses off at us hiring this idiot. With names like Haley and Jackson available for sure and Clements looming as a possibility there was no reason to hire Sparano as offensive coordinator. Clearly rex wants a conservative offense that will not put up points and that is exactly what we will get.
Wrong wrong wrong
Sparano was the HC in Miami not the OC calling plays. The year he did have the play calling duties in Dallas 2006 they had a great offense and it was exactly the type of offense Rex wants. Give it some time and stop whining already damn.
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and it’s not like we were like the eagles by naming an offensive line coach as our defensive coordinator
That logic
Is like saying the Texans defense was gonna suck after they hired Wade Philips because the defense was bad in Dallas. It’s also like saying that Steve Spagnuolo is a bad defensive coordinator because his St. Louis defense was bad.
I don’t agree. Phillips has a long history as a successful coordinator. Spags was extremely successful with the Giants as a defensive coordinator. Sparano has never been an offensive coordinator.
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True
but they certainly had their influences on those defenses when they were head coaches, just as sparano had some influence on his miami offense. My point is basically that their defenses when they were head coaches, just like Sparano’s offenses, don’t tell the whole story.
That’s true, but Spags and (especially) Phillips had ample experience as assistants they could point to. Miami is the biggest part of Sparano’s track record.
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I think the point of the post
is that it is too soon to write off the Sparano hiring.
There is no question that they could have gone with someone with a more established track record…like Callahan. That’s an entirely fair point to make. But just because Sparano doesn’t have as much experience play calling and just because his offense didn’t dominate when he was HC in Miami doesn’t mean that he is going to fail as an OC.
Some people are acting like Sparano wouldn’t recognize a passing play if it bit him on the butt. That isn’t true at all.
The guy is a Bill Parcells disciple. That means that he is going to emphasize the run and emphasize pass protection. Honestly, from a philosophical perspective, I can’t argue with that model for the Jets. Whether Sparano can execute is an open question.
It sounds pretty good
By the end of the year Sanchez’s completion percentage will be only a little bit higher, if not the same around 58%. However, his touchdown’s will be up, and his INT’s will be down. By taking more shots down the field he’ll open up the field more. He’ll get more yards per completion, and he’ll eliminate those 5 yard over the middle INT’s.
It will also back the safeties off the line, and the running backs yards per carry will improve as a result. Across the board your looking at a 3000+ yard 30TD season with less INT’s maybe 8-14 or so. Your looking at Greene and McKnight averaging around 4.8 a carry. This is of course dependent on how well the running game can come back together again.
We will not score enough points
with Sparano as OC. His offenses in Miami sucked because he wanted to play conservative just as Rex does. The name of the game is scoring points and with Sparano running the show we better have a damn good kicker because we will be kicking tons of field goals.
i slightly disagree with one of your statements
The name of the game is scoring points
i think when you have a ground and pound game plan on offence and a strong defence that becomes less true .its more similar to boxing where the object is as much about making your opponent miss as it is about you hitting .
good long drive taking up a lot of the play clock helps our opponent miss by keeping them off the field and keeping our defence fresh . we might not have a big knockout punch but we will almost always be able to go the distance and win more fights than we lose ..
hope the boxing comparison makes sense
if its for you it won't pass you
The name of the game
is scoring MORE points than your opponent.
I anticipate that a Sparano offense will control the ball more and give up fewer turnovers. That means that the defense can rest more and be more effective.
Also, needing a damn good kicker because you will be kicking tons of field goals is a better position to be in than needing a damn good punter (and not having one) because you are going 3 and out on the majority of your drives.
Alex Smith
if this guy doesnt show that coaching determines the chances of a QB having success I dont know what does. Smith sucked his whole career until the brilliant Jim Harbaugh became the head coach. Well its clear to me that Sanchez will never be good enough for most fans until Rex and his 1950s style conservative garbage are out of town.
But harbaugh isn't conservitve with smith
You realize how many short throws he has in a game. Even in this game, the big plays were made by recievers. Even with a minute left, he was making 8 yard throws. It reminded ne of sanchez in the texans game last year, it’s just sanchez actualy did throw it deep. Again, i pointed out brian billeck had the same thing happen to him. He was a great OC, yet his offenses were terrible in baltimore. Who do i blame? The OC. You know who their OC was? CAVENAUGH!! Do you agree cavenaugh was a bad coach? I hope so. I’m not saying sparano is billieck. It’s just that you can’t judge sparano by the fact that is O wasn’t good when he was a HC.
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I love the Sparano hire.
And until he proves me wrong, I’m going to take that position. I think, if his deeds match his words, he’s the perfect guy for this team.
Also, I don’t even know that Sparano is bad HC. If you think we’ve got problems, take a look at our friends in South Beach.
by cult hero on Jan 16, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It seems...
… to me the organization is making upgrades in the coaching staff and it is having a calming effect. I think we all are a bit frustrated as we had high expectations. Rex Ryan has the best winning percentage in the history of the franchise. With all things considered the Jets are in pretty good shape, hopefully we can begin to calm down as well and collect ourselves so we can better serve the organization in 2012 and beyond.
Wait what? The Jets are our overlords?
collect ourselves so we can better serve the organization in 2012 and beyond
by CervezaVerde on Jan 15, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've...
… been found out. I am laughing my ass off as I read this in retrospect. May I make a retraction?
Um guys, remember where we got with ground?
Also, Sparano said he wants to protect the QB ( bye bye Wayne Hunter ).
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
Protect the QB
sounds great but Sparano’s team gave up an awful lot of sacks last season. Also when you are ultra concerned about protecting the QB you wind up leaving extra guys to protect which means less receivers running routes.
I like all of you hope for the best with Sparano but this is a passing league and this team wants to pretend its 1950 again.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 15, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I completely agree.
I do not understand this mentality that says that we need to blow the team up and bring in either another rookie like RGIII or an injured and aging Manning.
The Jets made it to the AFC Championship, twice, with a good defense, ground and pound, and Sanchez at QB.
Does logic not suggest that the easiest way to make it back to the playoffs is to go back to ground and pound, shore up the defensive holes, and let an improved Sanchez play to his strengths?
I think that's why he was hired
Rex liked the philosophy that he brought to the table, it fits with the team that we have. Wear the defense out with our run game, and then blow em up with the occasional play action deep ball. We just need to get sanchez on the right track.
I like the hire.... sporano is a tough coach, and he would demand respect from his offense.
He said all the right things in that conference and they were realistic. He knows our strengths and he will use them..
by jets4life24 on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
we needed the change
anyone ready to crucify sparano already needs to wake up. schotty’s play calling sucked pretty much every game, he had not ability to change the game according to what the other teams defenses were doing, and refused to use players strengths, it was time for a CHANGE, and we got it. how can you be down on a guy that we havent even seen call a game yet for the jets? I for one cant wait till we get back to pounding the shit out of other teams, rex has always talked about that and he let schotty get so far away from that, that sanchez set a record for most passing attempts in a game! ridiculous. bye schotty, hello sparano!
I Don't Like Sparano
but I’m willing to wait and see and give him a chance. He could suck, he could be very conservative but decent or could be very good. He may err too much on the side of caution, but I think will clean up a number of problems that Schotty presents:
1) His play calling can’t be as predictable as Schotty’s;
2) I doubt he has any seriously flawed play designs like Schotty’s WR reverse with Cotchery, or the play where he had 3 WRs going to the same spot on the field;
3) Execution should be much improved;
4) Discipline should be much better and stupid delay of game and illegal formation and procedure penalties cut down;
5) Sanchez should get the play sooner than 2 seconds before the whistle, so they may actually be able to catch some players off guard or create some offsides penalties since the timing of the snap won’t be predictable either;
6) The offense should actually be simpler, more QB friendly, and who knows, maybe even designed around the skills and strengths of the Jets’ offensive players;
7) Should feature every pass route rather than eschewing some of them allowing opposing Ds to know they never had to worry about those routes;
8) Should protect Sanchez better;
9) The rushing attack should improve;
10) Won’t put up with any crap from Holmes;
11) Should show up motivated, ready to play and start moving the ball from the opening kickoff, rather than it being almost half time or the second half before the offense starts playing;
and may even:
12) get something out of Ducasse;
13) enable Sanchez to improve significantly.
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by joeklecko on Jan 15, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
#5...
I’m not sure but how many turnovers happened in those situations? If any have, then perhaps this helps with some of the turnover problems…bad snaps and that sort of thing would probably be elimintated…maybe Sanchez has time to get the snap when he’s mentally sorted out and ready to handle the ball. Maybe that’s part of the problem…if the play gets in with that little bit of time then he doesn’t really have time to sort out what’s happening or where his options are going to be. Just some thoughts running through my head after seeing that bit of information.
by Mac N Cheese on Jan 15, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not Turnovers
but rather time outs. They had to waste a number of time outs over the last several years because Schittenheimer was so glacially slow to get the play in.
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You also have to figure,
if he has two seconds before the snap, it cuts down on his ability to read the incoming defense because he spends so much time motioning to his headset trying to get the playcall and not enough time looking at what’s in front of him.
For someone who is having issues reading defenses in the first place, I’d imagine this would help at least some.
well
12) get something out of Ducasse;
he’s a OL guy, and his schemes probably won’t be as complicated as callahan’s. maybe we won’t need to draft a OT, we could get a vet for cheap and plug him in eventualy.
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