Will Sanchez Get Cut?
by Smackdad on Jan 13, 2012 8:39 AM EST
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PrintThere has been plenty of spirited debate about whether or not Sanchez is our QB of the future, or whether it's better to just move on. I'm leaning towards just moving on, but I'm willing to give him one more year to make the leap into the top half of NFL starters.
But maybe, just maybe, the team is beginning to lean toward letting him go. Yes, I know, Rex has loudly and consistently said Mark is the Man. But consider the following:
1. Mark is owed about $8 Million this year and roughly half that in 2013. The really huge paydays of $14 Million+ are already behind him, so cutting him now wouldn't hurt the actual pocketbook quite so much as in years past.
2. Mark has a cap figure of $14+ Million if he's on the 2012 roster, but only $5 Million if he's cut, so cutting him saves us $9 Million in cap space, more than enough to sign any rookie QB under the new rookie wage scale, if we were inclined to make a change. Or we could sign a cheaper veteran and use the savings toward addressing our other needs.
3. Tanny came out and said the other day that Mark's rate of progress is not what it needs to be. He then gave Mark a vote of confidence. But consider this -- when was the last time you heard any member of the Jets braintrust criticize Mark at all, however mildly? Or even more telling, when was the last time you heard Management criticize any player at all who did not end up quickly departing (ala Kerry Rhodes). I've racked my admittedly challenged memory, and I don't recall a single instance in the Rex era when we criticized a player who stayed with us.
4. There has been a firestorm of criticism of Mark from the players according to Mehta, something that's never happened before, at least to our knowledge. Who knows if this is true, but if there really is a large faction that opposes Mark, it may be very difficult for Mark to lead this team in the future.
5. Finally, it is true that Rex has constantly said Mark's the Man. But he also said Schotty was the Man, right up until the time he wasn't. And I find it interesting and more than a little telling that, amidst the current swirling controversy, at a time when we might expect Rex to stand up and tell the team to shut up, Mark's the Man, Rex has, to my knowledge, been conspicuously silent. Not a peep out of him, no vote of confidence, nothing since Mehta's story broke. That doesn't sound like the always something to say Rex I know. Maybe his silence is telling us something.
Now we just hired Sparano, a coach seemingly tailor made for Sanchez' limitations as a QB, so that may mitigate against letting Mark go, but one could also argue that Sparano is Rex's kind of Ground and Pound coach, regardless of who the QB is. It should be noted that we went to the AFC championship Game with the 2009 version of Sanchez, arguably one of the 2 worst starting QBs in the NFL, so, if Rex and Co. were leaning toward making a change, Rex would likely be thinking that, whether we bring in a rookie like Mark in 2009 or a competent but uninspiring vet, we absolutely should go back to the Ground and Pound that got us there in 2009. So Sparano's hiring may not be about Mark at all, but simply about going back to what got us there and what Rex is comfortable with, regardless of the QB.
I still think it's unlikely Sanchez is going anywhere, but I can't escape the nagging feeling in the back of my mind that maybe, just maybe, the little clues listed above are telling us something. Maybe, just maybe, we soon won't have Sanchez to kick around anymore.
OK, let the bashing of this post by Sanchez supporters begin!
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I doubt..
the Jets cut Sanchez, Ive been a supporter up until his last 3 games where he just totally sucked donkey shit and wanted him and Shotty both gone but the more I think about Sparano’s hiring i have a feeling Sanchez will stay at least for this season to see how he works out and Im sure Sparano is gonna get somebody in here as legitimate competition for the QB spot ( maybe Henne? )….I also think Sparanos Offense will run smoother than Shottys because he doesnt have all those stupid boneheaded “tricks” that Shotty always tried before every snap with the double motions and just mind boggling audibles that force us to either take timeouts,penaltys or half the guys are running the wrong play because they are confused…I say Sanchez gets this year to show some drastic improvement or else he is history
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Agree
Give him another year with a better OC & OL and hopefully all will work out. He shows flashes of brilliance when he has a little time. Think about the two games in a row late in the season when he was not sacked…we won both games. If he can throw for 200 – 250 and we run it for 140 -150 a game we will be a threat to win every game.
i'm neither for or against sanchez
but i think its to early in his career to quit on him just yet . we need to see if coaching was an issue holding him back , if play calling was another issue holding him back . i don’t think anyone can answer these questions just yet , we need to see how he does next season,
if he fails we can always trade him / cut him next year.
if its for you it won't pass you
If Tanny and Rex cut him now the won't have a scapegoat to sacrifice if next season goes poorly...
If they keep him now and things go badly they can just cut him to appease the masses and save their own asses..they just hung last season on Schotty, so I would bet they keep Sanchez around…if for no other reason then to save their own asses later..
by RhodesRocks on Jan 13, 2012 9:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
And because admitting two mistakes - keeping Schotty and drafting Sanchez -
is too much to take (PR-wise) all at once. I personally am in the “I’m not sure about Sanchez, but I wouldn’t cut him just yet” camp. Nonetheless, assuming for the sake of argument that they thought both Schotty AND Sanchez should go, letting them both go at once would make them look like they’re in even MORE disarray – rather than just dropping the guy who can be held responsible.
I think if they’re REALLY intent on cutting Sanchez, they’ll wait until OTAs/camp, hold a QB “competition” and have Sanchez come out on the losing end. There’s no risk to them that way. If Sanchez steps up and wins the competition, then you have your starting QB back under fresh management. If he doesn’t, you can say you cut him on his merits.
Not sure I buy the "let's have a scapegoat for next year" argument.
If I’m Rex, I’m thinking I’m on the hot seat every bit as much as Sanchez. I’m not sure Rex has room to worry about another scapegoat next year, or what the PR looks like this year. He has to win, NOW. After all the bluster, another 8-8 or 7-9 season probably means Rex is gone. I’m pretty sure Rex is not so loyal he’ll let Sanchez drag him down, so if he’s made the decision that Sanchez is not the answer, and if he can bring in somebody he thinks is the answer (2 big ifs, to be sure), then I think he pulls the trigger.
Another thing we’re maybe not considering — what if in his interviews Sparano made it clear he’s no Sanchez fan? No way to know that one way or the other, but IF that were the case, then it’s very likely that, having hired him, they’ll give him what he thinks he needs to be successful.
The kid can win
I know he didnt play well, and i understand that there is a feeling that he will never get any better, but he cant be cut, at least not yet. If u look at the numbers, they are pretty even with Eli Manning in his third year. And i think we would all be happy with Eli as QB. Also, you cannot forget that he got to 2 AFC championships in his first 2 years.
That all being said, he needs a good year this year, or else he will be gone.
by ChrebetTheJet80 on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions
And the alternative would be?
Matt Flynn? Product of a system like Cassels. Peyton Manning? Injury risk and hugely expensive. Jason Campbell? Another injury risk with an up and down career
We might save some money cutting Sanchez but it will all be taken and more grabbing a replacement who a) might not be better b) will need to be replaced anyway
I don't want to make any judgments about Flynn based on what limited play I've seen (just one regular-season game)
but I agree that we give Sanchez (at least) another season to make an impact. I think at that point it’s low risk (because by keeping him, you’re not gambling money on an unknown quantity), high reward (because we’ve seen flashes of a major upside that the kid has somewhere in him).
I don't see Sanchez being cut
But I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded either this year or next year. Then he’ll go somewhere else and become a pro bowl QB.
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Sanchez deserves one more year with a new staff
If he cant improve with a new staff that will coach to this strengths in year four then its time for a change
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YOU DO NOT CUT SANCHEZ period!!!!
To all the lets cut Scanchez croud take this simple test:
What QB drafted say a year before, after, or same time would:
1- still be healthy after leading the league (top 4) in getting sacked? The Lions QB would be in a wheelchair right now…so name 4____
2- have the Balls to tell Shotty “um no coach thats stupid im not running that series of plays” The guy was bran new to the NFL..and wanted to just listen to superiors but he had a coach that could not use his strengths….so name 4______
3- could handle playing in the NYC limelight ….so name 4______
4- got to back to back AFC title games in their first 2 years (yeah it was mostly D that did it but he had some good games as a QB and no one was calling for his head then….so name 4__________
5- could still throw (something like) 6 less TD passes than Brady while dealing with a human turnstyle named W. Hunter…..so name 4______________
Now name a QB a year before during or after Sanchez entered the league that is in all 5 catagories…..and tell me if sanchez is good or bad
by willmpk on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
please stop the crap!!!!
Listen I’ll be the first to say that Sanchez did look very good most of the year, but give the kid a break, No OC, OL was no wear near what it needs to be, and no real #1 wr. Look back to last year at all the times he went deep with Edwards (someone posted the video here recently) the kid can make the throws if he has the protection and the wr to go after the ball. He just needs to settle down the happy feet, get sometime to read the defense and let it fly. He will be fine, mix in a running game and a good defense and we will be right back in this thing next year and everyone will be saying he is a hero again. How people forget so easy is beyond me, so he had a bad year LET’S ALL WAIT AND SEE IF HE DOESN’T COME BACK NEXT YEAR AS THE SANCHIZE BEFORE IF THROW HIM IN THE GARBAGE !!!!
CUT?
Are you serious? No way the Jets cut him until we see how he does and they might give him more than a year unless its really bad. I agree with the posts of willmpk and trencher.
But on #4 of willmpk the D actually let us down in the 2 AFC championship games. We had the lead on Indy and couldn’t stop Peyton in the 2nd half and last year the 1st half defensive fiasco that sanchez almost brought us back in the 2nd half.
Yea this year our WR’s suck, no big fast guy for separation, almost every game I’m yelling where’s the separation. I’m being redundant as I just posted almost the same thing in another post but to back up trencher, yes in 2010 snachez proved he could throw the long ball and we need a fast big man like Bray again. Our teams #1 and 2 get good separation, not everytime but enough to keep the secondary on its toes. Others teams play us and we make their secondary look good. Everytime we play a team with a weak secondary we somehow make them look good because of our inability to get them ball down field.
Sanchez had a weaker O line, weaker receiving corps, and got sacked hard so many times it was ridiculous. Snachez is a winner but I hope not too shell shocked and if they are babying him its time to stop its only hurting his development and respect. Some QB’s who had a lot of potential get pounded and their confidence is gone for good. But the ones with heart come back, we’ll see what happens next year.
Guys get cut
Even after post season success. Look, the main argument ad nauseum for Sanchez is 4-2 post-season and 2 AFC Championship Games. He could still get cut. Example: Trent Dilfer. Dilfer was a #1 Pick (#6 Overall). Dilfer had a better post season record than Sanchez (5-1). He had more rings (1). He had more Pro Bowls (1). He had more 20+ TD Seasons (2). He was only 28 when he won it all with Baltimore. But what many people might not remember is that after he won it all HE NEVER PLAYED ANOTHER GAME FOR BALTIMORE. That’s right, he was gone immediately after his Super Bowl triumph, despite a better track record than Sanchez. In fact, after that year, Dilfer never had a regular starting QB gig again. And letting him go saved Baltimore almost nothing on the cap, while letting Sanchez go would save us $9 Million+ on the cap.
Not saying Sanchez = Dilfer. Not saying Sanchez WILL be cut. Just saying he COULD be cut. If it could happen to Dilfer, a man with a better track record at the time than Sanchez has now, it could happen to Sanchez.
That Dilfer move put Baltimore in the pits for years until they drafted Flacco
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by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 13, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Dilfer was the pits,lol
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They won with him, that's all that matters in the NFL
But did you see the guys baltimore had at QB after him?
Elvis Grbac, Jeff Blake, Chris Redman, Kyle Boller, Anthony Wright and Troy Smith…
THAT’S the pits
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by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 13, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Baltimore won in spite of Dilfer
He is the only QB in the NFL to ever be cut from the team right after winning a super bowl. That’s why I can’t take anything he says seriously. Dude is the ultimate loser.
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But they still won
I’m not saying he’s better than Marino, but they couldn’t win despite other quarterbacks. They had the typical game manager, someone who just wouldn’t make mistakes. They won the superbowl with him, and haven’t been back since then. I can understand the move, they thought they had another Manning in Grbac, but it had failed miserably
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by JetsFanMurphy on Jan 14, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
you also have to take into account
winning and loosing is a function of BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. That being said, The O line will determine if a QB has time to throw…W.Hunter… Seperation determines if the ball will or will not be thrown safely …Plaxico taking 2 weeks to get open… and a COACHES job is to teach a QB to read defenses.
Thats 3 factors to take into account and as we all know Hunter is a 3rd string RT, Plax is Slower than a turtle and shotty was shitty… he couldnt even teach paint to dry on a wall – Everyfan can see these 3 things
All that he had like 5 fewer TD passes than Brady…. Peolpe just dont see that we have something special in Sanchez…If if if if if he is not shell shcoked from 2011..
But I am still waiting for someone to name me 2 QBs that fix my 5 catagories from above…
Well....
Your 5 categories are mostly completely subjective BS.
1. Stay healthy? Who knows. You say nobody but Sanchez could, I find this highly doubtful, I could name plenty of names, no way to prove or disprove it, it’s completely subjective.
2. Have the balls to tell Schotty etc.. Again, completely subjective. How do you or I or anyone know has the so-called balls? No way on earth you know, nor I, nor anyone, it’s completely subjective.
3. Could handle playing in the NYC limelight. Again, no way you or I or anyone can know this. Some guys everyone thinks would thrive in NY crumble, other guys everyone thinks will crumble in NY thrive, there’s absolutely no way to know ahead of time. Again, completely subjective.
4. 2 AFC Championship games. This at least is objective, if an obviously loaded question. Everyone knows only one guy in the NFL fits that bill the last 2 years. This is in fact the crux of every argument for Sanchez. If it convinces you how special he is, fine. Me, I don’t buy it. He problems are legion, and the only real reply is “2 AFC Championship games”. He did fine in the playoffs, but the Defense was primarily responsible for those wins, not Sanchez. He never dominated, he just didn’t lose those games.
5. Could still throw 6 less TDs (amended to 5 TDs) fewer than Brady etc. This is just way off base. Brady had 39 TDs, Sanchez had 26. That’s 13 less, not 5 or 6. And you forgot to mention the league leading 26 turnovers.
So, mostly your 5 categories are unprovable, reducing replies and counterarguments to “So and so could do that” “No he couldn’t” “Yes he could” kind of discourse, since there are no facts that can shed any light on the answers. Completely subjective questions are not very useful in analyzing the abilities of a QB.
You took the words right out of my mouth, couldn’t have said it any better myself. That being said I would give Sanchez one more year to prove himself, he doesn’t have to win the superbowl but he needs to show clear progression.
by FiendForGreen on Jan 13, 2012 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
D's sucked
I disagree with you on that part, if the D played even half of what they were capable in the playoffs we would have won back to back super bowls, sanchez has been one of the few bright spots in the playoffs. He didnt have great seasons, but when it counted he played great. I am not gonna give up on the kid till the Oline can block for more than 1 second, and our slow Wr’s can actually break away from the corners
Well.....
First off I was wrong the 6 behind brady was something from week 14-15 Forgot that the last two games Brady went all brady and was well brady. That bieng said…DONT LET MY MISTAKE HIDE THE FACTS:
Sanchez was one sack away from leading the AFC in QBs getting sacked and 5 away leading the NFL w/ 39 sacks. That is significant pressure; so lets look at his pier group for being sacked: say sacked over 30 times:
of this pier group only (consisting of 16 QBs)
rodgers, romo, stafford, Brady, and Rivers had more TD than Sanchez
Of these names only stafford is in the same draft class as sanchez…yet Sanchez had higher…. nothing BUT STAFFORD HAS BEEN INJURED AT LEAST 40% OF HIS TIME IN THE NFL (SEE #1)
Next behind sanchez is FLACO with 20 TDs … a year ahead of sanchez yet flaco only had 200 more yards than Sanchez but was pressured not nearly as much with 8 less sacks.
Now of those in his piergroup of being sacked 30+ times Sanchez has thrown more pics than all except for one QB…Rivers who is on the verge of being Elite QB…
The only problem is – throwing pics are a result of one of 4 things
Inability to read the Defense – This is a coaches job to teach and Sanchez has been surrounded by bad ones
Poor decision making…. this is all sanchez
Freak occurances … hits the WR/TE on the numbers ball bounces and defender picks it
QB under pressure.. again Sanchez 2nd in the AFC and 5th in the NFL… that is pressure!
So WHO DOES THAT LEAVE…um no one; STAFFORD is better statistically…but he is made out of paper and glass.
Nod goes to J Freeman who missed the #of being sacked by one w/ 29 for the season…but…even Freeman (same draft class a Sanchez) has 4 more interceptions and 10 fewer TD passes…WHILE UNDER LESS PRESSURE THAN SANCHEZ…So again I ask the question who is really better from that (or one up one down) draft class than Sanchez? Given what Sanchez had to deal with and the pressure he was under?
If you want to say handle NYC media is subjective..but the media in NYC is a bitch so…ok i can almost agree but how does sanchez deal with it… Banging two hot chicks in one night…not something Tebow could pull off right?
Look we got something special in this kid….dont get to down on him he really is doing fine
"Inability to read the Defence
this also involves studying game film..seeing how certain Def players play against certain plays..basically a QB has too be able too READ not only His own players stances and where they will be at a certain time but where those on DEF will be…but if one isnt picking these things up in watching film then someone needs to TEACH him how to read signs in film..anyone can sit and watch game film.
.But when one is constantly throwing behind a rec..or over throwing that shows they didnt watch film the correct ways…someone in here said Have someone else read the Def..well if I am not mistaken most teams usually do have that in place using there OL…
Sanchez by all accounts should have sat behind a exp Vet and learned the game.Not many QB;s thrown into the war zone right away perform as there draft pick#…But every Team has a SYS..thats why when teams trade —let go of a QB and they go to another team they dont do well..Cassell left NE went to KC and did squat..why? different SYS!!!!…
now here is problem I have with Sparano..never was a OC,,was a OL-Coach and made as a HC…maybe jets FO is thinking ahead here..by all accounts jets have 2 HC;s on staff…if one falters there protected something to keep-bear in Mind..u bring in Haley..now say “rex” let go u have a HC and a OC allready in place something as said too think about!!!..now we are hearing that New WR coach was recommended By ROB R.?
He's not getting cut
that would be flat out stupid. We’d be right back where we started three years ago if that happened.
You make a point.
That was when it looked like Kellen Clemens would be our starter…..
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
Not all bad!
Remember in our eyes this was a bad year for our Jets, but look at this way,
31 other teams(12 with better records)(7 tied us with 8-8) and (12 with a worse record) so yeah compared to the last two years, we didn’t make the playoffs but there was still 19 teams that we either tied or had a better record.
by Trencher on Jan 13, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's called mediocre
and we’ve been there for 40+ years.
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The key is to not panic
Just as teams shouldn’t accept mediocrity or failure and pretend that it is success, it is important not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
The team was 8-8 with a dismal RT and terrible safety play.
Hopefully, the team drafts a safety and pass rusher in the first couple of rounds, trades for a better RT, and we are off to the races.
why is everyone always Naming HUNTER?
let;s put it this way..sacks allowed by OL…Hunter-8.5..Mangold—3…D’Brick-9.5…these 3 players allowed together 21 SACKS!!!!!!!..How many Slausen…wasn’t all on 1 player..was the whole OL!!!!…But Mark has to learn to read a Def..and do better with “checkdowns” I am sorry 2 bad checkdowns in Miami game and Both were INT by SAME DL…thats is p-poor decision making on a QB
Probably because
everyone else on the O line has more or less proven how effective they are when the line isn’t a porous mess from your RT’s presence.
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I wouldnt cut Sanchez even to land Peyton Manning
Im not even a Sanchez guy but this would be an awful move. The kid regressed this year but there were plenty of reasons why. I think he was very timid after the Ravens game due to the lack of protection.
The thing I like about this kid, is that he is tough. Maybe not tough minded just yet, but he keeps getting up. He isnt soft and he isnt lazy. He can overcome the mistakes he made early and to give up so early on this kid would make the Jets really look like a Mickey Mouse organization.
As far as Manning goes, I fear he isnt ever going to be healthy and should just walk away. Who knows how he plays when he comes back, will it be with fear of getting hit? We did the Favre thing and it was nice before things went downhill but its really not the way to go. I cant ever recall a star QB moving on and winning a SB.
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Yea i don't want Peyton Manning anymore.
I also agree with everything.
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
Sanchez didn't regress
The team regressed.
In Sanchez’ first year, the team had a phenomenal defense and they barely made the playoffs. This tends to be overlooked since they got hot and made the championship game.
In Sanchez second year, his QB rating and completion % improved and the team returned to the playoffs.
In Sanchez’ third year, his QB rating and completion % improved again. HOWEVER, the defense declined from elite to merely good with gaping holes at safety and a weak pass rush. On top of that, the coaching staff decided that, despite the fact that there was a lockout and shortened preseason, it made sense to shift from a run-oriented attack to a passing-oriented attack.
Basically, even though Sanchez improved modestly, he could not handle the increased burden that the coaching staff placed on him. Since the Jets’ running game actually looked fairly decent all year, I remained at a loss as to why the coaching staff insisted on asking Sanchez to shoulder the majority of the load.
Had Sanchez been forced to perform at the level that he was asked to this year, during ‘09 and ’10, he couldn’t have handled it.
He did regress in my opinion.
Too many stupid mistakes ( leaving out the fact that he had a horrible Offensive Coordinator ) * such as throwing it to the Left Tackle *, he couldn’t throw it away, and QBR is a stupid stat made up by ESPN. Also, the lockout took time away that he could have improved in more which i think pinpoints his problems.
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
But the team also regressed which caused his many problems.
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
My point is
he made fewer stupid mistakes because he was asked to do less for the first two years and he had better pass protection.
I do agree that in certain areas he did regress. IMO, he got less accurate. And he seemed more skittish in the pocket.
But I think his inaccuracy, ironically, may have grown in response to him not wanting to make mistakes and being hesitant to pull the trigger.
Sorry but in his third year he looked as bad as he did in his rookie year
He fumbles way too often due to the way he holds the ball and his picks are godawful. If you think about it, he leads the NFL in both INTs and Fumbles since coming into the league and he couldve had even more turnovers if some guys on defense could catch better. With all that said, I want to see him get one more year but with a viable backup to push him.
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They're NOT Cutting Sanchez
That’s just ridiculous. smack you are not being realistic about this. They have to give him a chance with a different OC. They have too much invested in him, and it would be better for the franchise if he pans out so they dont’ have to start all over again, and the draft picks used to move up and take Sanchez aren’t wasted.
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Maybe, but...
You say they have to give him a chance with a different OC. They don’t HAVE to do anything. What if that new OC already has concluded Sanchez is not the guy? What if Rex has? I have no way of knowing what either guy really thinks, but after 3 years, it’s certainly possible conclusions have been drawn, and they no longer have faith in Sanchez. It’s certainly possible Sparano, who has ZERO invested in Sanchez, wants to get his own guy in there. If that were the case (and it’s a big if), then I have no doubt they would move on. Nobody in his right mind sticks with a guy they’re convinced is the wrong guy, especially if that guy’s performance (or lack thereof) could very well get you fired.
As far as them having too much invested in him, that’s called the fallacy of sunken costs. Whatever we’ve invested in him in time, money, picks, has already been spent, whether or not we bring him back. It makes ZERO sense to bring back a guy who you’ve concluded cannot get it done (again, no way to know this conclusion has been reached, but it is at least possible) simply because we’ve already spent so much on him. Better to cut your your losses and move on, in the process saving $9 Million in cap space, IF (and it’s a big if) you don’t think Sanchez will ever pan out.
The most important point here is, what do Rex and Sparano think? If you and I and every damn one of the GGN faithful think he deserves at least another year, that’s worth about a thimbleful of warm spit if Rex and/or Sparano disagree. None of us can be sure what they think. If they’ve seen enough, they WILL cut him, and save not only the $9 million in cap space but quite possibly also their own jobs.
It's Possible, But Not Likely
Giving up on a QB that you traded up to get just 3 years before, who has played well in the playoffs, had to contend with incompetent idiots for OC and QB coach and an asinine system that wasn’t designed for his skill set for all 3 years, then had to play with a joke of an OL in his 3rd season, would be mind-numbingly stupid imo. If Rex and Sparano have already reached that conclusion, without giving Sanchez another year, then they should both be fired now imo.
Yes, on the .000001 percent chance that they have concluded that Sanchez isn’t the guy, then yes it would be stupid to keep him around, but the chances of that are so ridiculously small, that it’s a waste of bandwidth to even consider it imo.
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.....great discussion....
Guys…..Joe….Smack……this is a fascinating debate…I’m loving it….you guys are bringing up solid alibi’s for both your cases. But there is one more compelling reason that Sanchez will not be cut this year. There are way too many of us here on GGN holding in our closets a #6 Sanchez jersey in either Home Green or Road White. Now as Smack pointed out that will have less than a snowball’s chance in hell in convincing the front office of deciding one way or the other.
Seriously, I’m backing Joe on this case Smack. If the Jet’s really had the “intestinal fortitude” to cut Sanchez. Why the “pussy-footing” with the Shotteheimer circus? Why haven’t they dealt with the Holmes issue or will they deal with the Homes issue the same way as you want with Sanchez ie. be cut for Conduct Un-Becoming a NY Jet. I mean the list could be lengthy here. It comes down to just how much re-modeling do you want to do and do you have the guts as an organization to say “we” made the mistake in our evaluation of talent for that draft instead of the usual….blame the player which is always the easiest out.
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joe and smack would like ur thoughts on this statement by Mark
Sanchez was quoted as saying that Next season He and holmes will work it out, My question is why didnt they this past season?..media also was the ones that reported so and so players Had a meeting with REX over the OC play calling, Now we dont know and media doesnt know But it could have been over the QB issues…we can only sit here and speculate
I also point out that when “J-Cro” asked too be released(media saying he did so because he wasn’t going to be #1/#2 Rec) I dont accept media;s views..I think J-Cro saw things that He Knew would eventually blow-up and wanted OUT!!!!…when a player ask;s to be released that is the #1 sign of Internal-locker room Issues!!!
Tone was a Free Agent after last season
I can only assume he didn’t want to risk injury and that’s why he didn’t show up to Jets West. I can’t knock the guy for trying to protect himself but I still think she should’ve shown up to at least look like he cared. I should also note both Braylon and Brad Smith were FA’s and they both showed up.
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Maybe They Did Try Last Season
or maybe they both were too caught up in their own issues and frustration. We had seen no problems before this season with Sanchez and Holmes, only Holmes and Schotty. This is a new year. The Jets will finally be free of Schotty’s reign of error. The WR coach from last season is gone. So is the OL coach and quite possibly the QB coach (at least he should be). Rex has said that he’s going to resolve the problems and that there will be changes made.
I firmly believe that most of the problems and frustration in players came from that moron Scotty. With a system that is less complex, and hopefully tailored to the players talents; with Rex taking a more active role; with Sparano being more of an authority figure and disciplinarian, then I think things will get worked out if it’s possible.
I think Mark will make every effort to work things out. It’s that whiny prima donna bitch Holmes that I’m unsure of. Further, I think some of the other offensive teammates don’t even want Holmes around. I would think that they, Sparano, Rex and the new WR coach would all get in Holmes face this year if he gets dumb penalties, starts mouthing off and pouting or quitting on the team again. Someone may even kick his ass.
In an ideal world, Holmes would be traded or cut to send a message to the team, but thanks to Rex and Tanny’s bad choice last year, they are now stuck with Holmes. Their hands are tied. It will cost too much to move him unless they wait until after June 1 and spread the hit over 2 seasons.
I don’t think you’re right regarding J-Cro. He said it was because he felt like he wasn’t being respected and used correctly. I think he had a point. The other day, he said he hadn’t seen that side of Holmes. Why would he say that if it weren’t true? He had nothing to lose by telling the truth (if you are right) when he left or after things blew up for the Jets this year.
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Holmes would be traded or cut to send a message to the team, but thanks to Rex and Tanny’s bad choice last year, they are now stuck with Holmes
i’d love the team to draft a couple of good WR’s this year and have holmes sitting on the bench for the first 5 games . if we are gonna go more ground and pound then we can afford to do this with him .
anyway if we did draft jeffery in the 1st round and another wr in the 4th/5th round with speed then i’d like to think they could replace tone’s production .
if we have to pay to cut him then why not pay him to sit and watch?
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If He Was Whining
and being a cancer about not getting enough passes thrown his way while on the field, what do you think he’d do if he’s sitting on the bench?
I wish they could get rid of him, but don’t think they would even if they could. I think Rex likes Holmes and thinks he can manage him. They are going to try to get good production out of him this year and rehabilitate his image. They may then dump him next season or wait until the following year when his contract is up.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
i'd still rather pay him to sit and watch than pay him to play against us
cutting him isn’t really a punishment but giving him 3rd team reps and not suiting him up for some games might make the penny drop with him . it would also set a great example for the rest of the players , showing them nobody is untouchable
if its for you it won't pass you
Well
At least you succeeded in creating a controversial thread. But I’m in the “Im unsure about Mark but he needs another year in a new system” camp – and i think they would never cut him now. But would they trade him? yes, but probably not. The kid made it to two afc champ games in a row, and that means he’ll have some value on the trade markt. I just dont see that happening
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