2012 Off-season, with a twist...
by ChrebetTheJet80 on Jan 11, 2012 9:18 PM EST
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PrintCoaching-First, I like the hire of Tony Sparano. I think he is a much-needed change on the offensive staff. That being said, they need to add Todd Haley to this mix. Sparano and Haley together will give us a solid, well balanced coaching staff, with a refreshing change of attitude. An additional coaching note, I am not opposed to the idea of hiring Chad Pennington as a QB coach. I think he could help Sanchez improve with reading and breaking down defenses, an area he struggles mightily now.
Cuts-There are a couple of obvious players from this years roster that should not be back next season. Eric Smith and Wayne Hunter are must-cuts. Bart Scott's time with the team should come to an end too. Hes getting old, his production is slipping rapidly, and we need some youth and energy in the linebacking corps. Gerald Alexander, Nick Bellore, and Logan Payne should also be casualties this offseason. They are eating roster spots that could be served with other postions. As badly as some people may want it, cutting Holmes is a bad idea. His cap number is huge, but more importantly, he has proven to be a very well behaived receiver when the team is winning. Plus Schotty is gone, which should help.
Free Agency-With respect to our own free agents, we should resign the following: Sione Pouha, Jim Leonhard, Plaxico Burress, Robert Turner, Marquice Cole, Patrick Turner, and Aaron Maybin. Most of these are obvious. Plax should come back. He loves New York, his family loves New York, and hes running out of years left to play. He is still a valuable redzone target, and for what it will cost, he is well worth the money. Plus, the last thing this team needs is another overhaul at WR. Lets give Sanchez a chance to build some chemestry with the same corps for more than one year.
The remainer of the free agents should be let go. I know a lot of people have called for Jamaal Westerman to return, but quite frankly he hasnt shown he can be an every-down linebacker, and hasnt lived up to the hype as a pass rusher. Its time to move on. Nick Folk is bad, and its time to find a suitable replacement. And for some reason Rex hates Pool.
As to who we should add from the outside, the list is short. I cant believe im saying this, but the Jets should sign Chad Henne to push Sanchez. He was Sparanos QB, and is also a division foe. If this doesnt light a fire under Sanchez, nothing will. Mike Nugent should be brought back to kick. Hes proven to be an above average kicker the last couple of years, and is far more consistant than Folk. Dwight Lowery should be brought back to help the secondary out, and Manny Lawson should be added. I think the Jets screwed uop by not signing him last year. He isnt much of a pass rusher, but he is a good all around linebacker, and well above-average in coverage; something this team needs out of a linebacker.
The Draft-Based on a couple of articles ive read on this site about draft picks, and with a little bit of guessing, the Jets draft should look like this: 1 first round pick; 1 second round pick; 1 third round pick; 1 fourth round pick; 2 fifth round picks; 3 sixth round picks; 2 seventh round picks. (extra picks from compensation and trades)I have us trading back to 22 (Cleveland from Atlanta). My theory is Cleveland takes Blackmon at 4, and Richardson is still there at 16. I dont see a need for the Jets to draft Richardson. We have 2 quality backs, and can pick a third up later in this draft. In this trade we give up our first, along with a 6th and 7th, and get Clevelands pick at 22 plus their second round pick. My draft order follows:
First Round-Luke Kuechly-ILB BC
Kuechly is the best inside backer in the draft. Hes the complete package; a smart, talented tackler who flies all over the field, and has good coverage skills. He would be a nice replacement to Bart, as well as give more coverage help. He may also be able to move outside, giving Rex some flexibility with alignment and personel.
Second Round (from Cleveland)- Melvin Ingram-DE South Carolina
Ingram is a great pass rush talent. His combination of size, speed, and experience in the trenches makes him the perfect fit as a rush linebacker in the NFL.
Second Round (47th)- Markelle Martin-FS Ok. State
Martin is a true ball hawk, who isnt afraid to get physical. He has the talent to start day 1 as a FS.
Third Round- Bobby Massie-OT Ole Miss
DJ Fluker is returning to school, and I cant see Mike Adams falling this far. Massie is a little bit of a project, but can help in the run game immediately. Would be a nice addition at RT.
Fourth Round- Trumaine Johnson-FS Montana
Can never have too much safety help. He is a true ball hawk.
Fifth Round- Cordarro Law-DE/OLB Southern Miss.
Big upside, low risk. Plus hes a pass rusher.
Fifth Round- Will Blackwell-G LSU
More offensive line depth is never bad, especially with Sparano at the helm of the offense.
Sixth Round- Jermaine Kearse-WR Washington
There is deep WR talent in this draft. Kearse is a talent who was hurt by a bad quarterback this year. Here is the WR help.
Sixth Round- Bobby Rainey-RB Western Kentucky
Has some talent, and may be a useful back to spell Greene and McKnight.
Seventh Round- D'Anton Lynn-CB Penn St.
Rex loves him some CBs, plus his dad is Anthony Lynn, the current RB coach.
Seventh Round- Matt Merletti-SS UNC
Got hurt halfway through the year, but has some talent. May be a sleeper for the future.
I know this has been kinda long, but I think its a bit of a change from what most people are projecting. Please leave comments below.
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Nick Bellore was one of the top ST players
he was ranked 5th on the ST player list for the pro bowl. Alexander was never given a chance.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
alexander is a journeyman, his spot is better served with a rookie, or Pool returning. And Bellore was also the team leader in ST penalties. Im not opposed to him being back, but i wouldnt be shocked if hes gone.
by ChrebetTheJet80 on Jan 11, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
lots of good things in this post
very good draft , even tho i’d pick a little differently . but i’m a big folk fan so you get no love from me on that cut lol
if its for you it won't pass you
Can i ask something?
Why does everyone wan’t to cut Bart Scott? Great leader, not even a bad player, and we would lose money if we cut him.
I'm gonna keep trying for what i want and on here it's to be a staff writer for any team in the NFL on SBNation.
Supposedly the team knows a way to get out of paying him
That’s actually just a rumor, but it’s not worth cutting him, since that creates another immediate need.
He's being paid 4 mil with a 2 mil bonus
If you cut him he is owed 7 mil. I don’t know any way around that one unless he voluntarily gives up his bonus money or guaranteed 4 million.
a little redicilious with the draft picks
we have needs at OLB, FS, and RT that need to step in right away.. you think we go MLB, a project at RT (we have one in ducasse already pal) and a few players late in the draft to step into starting spots… your approach to the draft is very far fetched but other than that not a bad post. i agree with the markelle martin pick but no others. We need to spend our high picks on players that can start immediately and make an impact as a rookie
melvin ingram figures to be a 4-3DE, not a 3-4OLB and we have far more serious needs than MLB in round 1
my thinking too..
I think our 1st pick should go to BPA as long as it is not at the QB, (because Luck isn’t falling to 16) C, TE, NT, CB, K, or P positions. At 16 I think we are potentially looking at OLB’s (Upshaw, Jones), 1 WR (Jeffrey), 1 RB (Richardson), 1 Safety (Barron) and 2 ILB’s (Burfict, Kuechly). I think that the best way to draft for long term success is by going BPA through the draft and picking up FA’s by need. And I think NYsmack talk is spot on about Ingram too.. He doesn’t look fast or versatile enough to make the transition to OLB. I would love the 1st round pick if we were able to land any of the players I mentioned above. All seem to be able to contribute immedietly and have a lot of upside
BPA isnt the answer
If the front office cant find a player to fill an immediate need in the first 3 rounds of this draft, they should all be fired. You cant start going BPA until at least the fourth.
Moving on, Upshaw is looking more and more to be gone at 16, which is why I have us moving back. Richardson might make sense, but enough teams will be in the market for him that we can get one to overpay for the 16th pick, and add another nice piece. Kuechly becomes a must-have if the team parts ways with Bart. And i think Ingram is underrated in his ability to stand up. That being said, Vinny Curry or Ronnell Lewis both should be available at 37, and would fit the OLB/pass rush hole.
by ChrebetTheJet80 on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
BPA Is ALWAYS the Answer
It’s not either or. Drafting for need solely kills teams. They wind up reaching for players. That said, just adding more depth at positions where the Jets area already strong and have quality starters would not be good, either.
Fortunately, the Jets have enough big needs, and there are enough quality prospects that the Jets should be able to match BPA with need. Often times players have very similar ratings. There could be an OG with an 8 rating that is the BPA when the Jets pick, but if they have an OLB, FS, RT and/or WR rated a 7.9 that are also still available, they can easily go with one of the other players or if they don’t really like any of them, try to trade down a little where they can better match value with need.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Drafting is a combination of BPA and need
You draft for need within reason. If your highest need is on the same level talent wise in a deep pool of players at his position, you can go BPA and still pick up a need later on.
ILB becomes the biggest need if they cut Bart. Kuechly has everything your looking for in a weak inside backer in the 3-4. This defense is based on a space-eating nose tackle and two inside backers who can make plays. Also, Massie has the talent to start right away, and will instantly be better than Hunter. He is a project in the sense that he needs to worked with to become a top-flight RT. Plus if Martin isnt available at 47, then Mike Adams will be.
by ChrebetTheJet80 on Jan 12, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well if your looking at a by need basis
then all of those players I mentioned above fill that as well as being the BPA. For instance: If it comes down to Upshaw or Jeffrey, I think that Upshaw is the BetterPA and should be drafted over Ingram because Upshaw has the speed and pass rush moves to make the an outstanding 3-4 OLB. Although Jeffrey may fill a need (and possibly a bigger need) it is easier to find a #2 WR then it is to find a potentially elite pass rusher.. Just because it is BPA it doesn’t meant you draft at a meaningless position.
by Buddy James on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
No It Doesn't
Sorry, but that’s just ridiculous imo. To begin with, Scott isn’t going anywhere, both because of the cap hit the Jets would take, and because Scott is still a very good player. He does a lot of the dirty work allowing other players to get the glory. Even if he does go, however, the ILB position is nowhere near as important as the OLB position, and the pass rush has been a need for 10 years. Also, if the Jets can’t sign a veteran FA RT and/or don’t feel that Sparano can turn Hunter around or turn Ducasse into a player, then RT becomes a bigger need than ILB. Cases could be made for FS and WR as well depending upon whom the team keeps and whom they let go.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
What??
we run a 3-4 defense, in which the 3 most important players are the NT and the 2 inside backers. If/when Bart is let go, we only have one inside backer capable of playing. The draft is very shallow when it comes to ILB, and with teams like Philly, NYG, and Baltimore all in the market, you cannot let this slide. Kuechly is the best ILB in the draft, and is a no brainer in the first.
And can we please stop pretending like the pass-rush has been desperately bad. The Jets have been middle of the league in sacks the last 2 years, and thats with a more conservative approach. Yes i agree that they need a bonified pass rusher to make this defense elite, but the crop of OLB/DE who fit this role is much deeper than inside backers. The same can be said for RT and safety. And please stop with the WR in the first-round talk. Its never going to happen. If the Jets want to add a bonified #1 receiver, then they will do it in FA. Otherwise it will get dealt with in the later rounds. Besides, the team is going to run the ball more, and spending a high pick on another diva receiver is rediculous.
by ChrebetTheJet80 on Jan 12, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Jeffrey isn't a diva from what I've read
due to issues at QB his stats went down but look at 2.32 in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKAO6R_0Rg
I would watch the whole thing because the guy is a stud, but a 2:32 he makes Alabama star CB Dre Kirkpatrick look silly…. I don’t expect him to be available at 16 but if he is he would be worth it imo…I am sure that he will have a great broad jump and and vertical jump. Another reason to get a WR is so that Holmes isn’t doubled every play. Also the FA market isn’t likely going to be filled with great WR’s…..V Jax is likely going to re sign with SD and D Jax has already come out and said that he’d franchise tag with PHI
by Buddy James on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Braylon Edwards, Dwayne Bowe, and Stevie Johnson all figure to make it to the open market, and im not sold D. Jackson is welcome back in Philly
by ChrebetTheJet80 on Jan 12, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
There is a problem with every one of those guys though
Braylon coming off makor surgery so 2009-2011 Edwards isn’t a lock, Bowe will go where the money is at and there will be plenty more teams willing to bid high on him if V Jax and D Jax don’t hit the open market. MIN, STL, ARI, PHI all come off the top of my head who could be in bidding for him…. WR isn’t my first choice for our 1st round pick but if Jeffery is something special then he may be worth it
Sorry Chrebet
That just isn’t accurate or correct. Look it up. The two most important positions in the 3-4 D alignment are the pass rushing OLB and the NT. It’s debatable which is the most important. ILB is down the list of important positions in the 3-4.
On the rest, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I think it would definitely be a no-brainer act (as in dumb) to take an ILB in round 1 and ignore the OLB spot. I also disagree that there’s no one else on the roster who can play ILB. Mauga has played well when he’s had a chance to play. I’m not saying he’s the long-term answer at ILB, but Scott isn’t going anywhere this year.
Pretending the pass rush has been bad??? What team have you been watching? It certainly hasn’t been the Jets. Yes, Maybin has helped things, but still, opposing QBs often have all day to stand back there and find open receivers. They can’t consistently get pressure and it makes the safeties and Cromartie even worse than they are.
I’m not advocating that they take a WR in the 1st round, so I don’t know where that’s coming from. I was just pointing out that lots of others see it as a big need and think a WR should be the first pick. I disagree with them, plus with Sparano as the OC I don’t think it will ever happen.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
This draft has plenty of 3-4 players
There’s a lot of inside and outside linebackers. There’s a lot of corners, which isn’t a big deal. There’s not a lot of safeties, which is what the Jets need. Makes me think go safety early.
EXCELLENT!
I’d bring back Bellore. Best draft I’ve seen so far…anywhere, period. Obviously, FA will influence what the front office does in the draft. But, I suspect (and hope) RT and Safeties will be addressed through FA which will give the Jets maximum draft flexibility. I’d love for them to try to get Mercedes Lewis as another TE, dropping Mulligan. Kuechley’s got brains (BC grad), brawn, above average speed who can play both ILB and OLB as you state. Your remaining picks are right on target as well.
The only question I have is if Richardson AND Kuechley are there at 16. I’d be happy picking either one — both are going to be special players. If Shonn goes down, we don’t have anybody to back him up. True, there may be a backup further down in the draft. But, the further down you go, the more luck you need. Having both Shonn and Trent, along with McKnight gives the Jets a truly formidable backfield. Remember: both Ryan and Sparano are ‘run-first’ believers. (I don’t think the Jets are sold on Powell as yet, assuming they bring him back.)
On the other hand, the only standout LB the Jets have is Harris. Scott’s performance has gone down and will continue to do so. Pace will be one year older and still not able to drop back in coverage. Thomas, great against the run, probably won’t return. That’s it. We don’t have gems in Mauga, Westerman, nor Bellore. We would selecting Kuechley.
Thoughtful analysis. Nice job! All that has to happen now is making it happen.
A few issues I have...
- Bart Scott has guaranteed money. There is no added value by cutting him.
- Alexander is at least experienced FS. I’d like him to get a try out.
- Even though you are not getting extravagent in your spending, I think you still may have gone over the cap.
- I’ve seen both your 1st and 2nd round pick projected in the first round.
-The value in cutting Bart is that he is well past his prime, and is eating up space on the roster. He is no longer an every down backer, and its time to move on. If hes willing to restructure(i doubt he will), then i can see him staying, but i think its time to move on.
-Yes Alexander never got a shot, but if they are going to retain a FS from this year, id rather it be Pool.
-The cap will be close. They have roughly 9 mil in space now, and will get another 4-5mil with the cuts(including Bart). The draft will eat about 5mil, giving us 8-9 mil to play with. Tanny may have to get creative.Note: This is without knowledge of the adjusted cap for next year, which should give us more space.
-Ingram appears to be on the bottom of the first round in everything ive read. Hopefully a Vinny Curry or Ronnell Lewis will jump him at the combine and he will fall.
by ChrebetTheJet80 on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
That was my point thoigh
4-5mil with the cuts(including Bart).
You don’t get any cap savings by cutting Scott. In fact, you end up with $7.2 mill in dead money counted against the cap.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 12, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
Pool has had his opportunities and showed that he is wildly inconsistent in both his effort and results. In short, he sucks. Alexander hasn’t had the opportunity to show what he can or can’t do. If nothing else, he’d be cheaper than Pool, and probably couldn’t be any worse.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
I like the effort put forward with this post
I cant see some of it happneing though. The Jets went all in and tied up money in players we wish could be cut but obviously cant. I cant see the Jets using a 1st rounder on an ILB. I also dont advocate using a first on a WR, Cruz proves if a team does a good job, they can unearth a WR that can excel.
I want a change in K and P but i dont want to ever see Nugent in a Jets uni ever again. Henne would be a nice fit and I wouldnt mind keeping Plax, but the Jets need a better option at #2.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
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