Have Teammates Lost Faith in Mark Sanchez?
by John B on Jan 11, 2012 9:41 AM EST
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PrintManish Mehta paints a sobering picture of the Jets' locker room not being completely behind Mark Sanchez in an article.
"We have to bring in another quarterback that will make him work at practice," said one player. "He’s lazy and content because he knows he’s not going to be benched."
..."They don’t want to be truthful with him," one prominent player said of the way that the organization has handled Sanchez. "They treat him like a baby instead of a man. He goes in a hole when someone tells him the truth."
A Jets spokesman declined to make Sanchez available for this story. A source close to the team pointed out that Sanchez’s inability to handle mounting criticism prompted him to unfollow every Jets beat writer on Twitter earlier this season.
"So that should tell you everything," the source said. "He just doesn’t have the mental toughness to be great... especially in New York."
You always have to love the people who won't put their names to stuff like this.
This also serves as another disturbing piece of evidence that Rex Ryan has no idea how to get this team under control. Whatever he is trying to do to bring team unity is clearly not working with these continuing leaks.
The biggest takeaway, though, is this team is not completely behind its quarterback. No matter what you think about the way people are airing this sentiment (and I think badly of it), people in the locker room questioning the quarterback is a huge deal. I'm not entirely surprised to hear this. There are subtle things you can see on the field like Sanchez's lack of willingness to step into a throw to complete a pass when it means getting hit hard. That became pretty obvious as the year went on. We talk about the lack of leadership on this team. It starts with the quarterback. Teams that believe in their quarterback and respect him usually do not have the kind of sniping behind the scenes the Jets have had. They rally behind their leader in bad times. Sanchez does have defenders in the organization according to this article who point out the offensive line's shaky play and criticize the game planning and play calling (surprise, surprise). Manish indicates, however, that most of the people he spoke with want a different quarterback. That is a really bad sign.
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Manish is also responsible for the story that Holmes, Plax and mason went to Rex to complain about Schotty
And each including Rex has denied that. Mason has no reason to deny anything now and he still denies the Manish story. Manish has a few holes in his “sources” perhaps.
And each including Rex has denied that.
Of course they did. It makes everybody look bad if true. I can’t imagine anybody ever confirming a report like that on the record.
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And yet Mason has no reason to deny it, and yet he still does even in retirement
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Mason has every reason to deny it. It paints him in a poor light if true.
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He called the team a "cluster f*ck" in the same story that he denied the report
And he said he is retiring. I don’t think he looks so bad if he wants to say, yeah, I didn’t like the play calling so much. But he didn’t say that. He said he thought the play calling was alright.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s a bit different, though, for the story to be true. He’s piling on something everybody else is already saying. If Mason is going on to something different, I think the last thing he needs when his future employer Googles him is an article about him undermining his direct supervisor.
At any rate, Manish has a long track record of thorough work. I doubt he’s making all of these quotes up.
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Making things up is one thing. Having a bad source is another.
But my only point is Manish had a unnamed source in the past that was thoroughly disagreed with by all involved. No one could be found even now to coroberate that unnamed source.
And another thing, what if this unnamed source is a guy like, say, Ellis Lankaster? Does anyone care what Ellis Lankaster thinks about the offense?
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
This is opinion about Sanchez, though, not a claim of a factual event. Maybe it is Lankster, but again nothing about Manish’s work suggests he’s the kind of guy who is out for a cheap headline.
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by John B on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Um (hehe) he does work for the Daily News
nothing about Manish’s work suggests he’s the kind of guy who is out for a cheap headline.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
John B.
step back a few and see if You read into this as I did when it 1st happened….Jets had a rec who last yr played decent,did His job, comes into preseason, then HE is ASKING too be either Traded or Released!!!..that was “J-Cro” now I read that as meaning there were at that time internal problems with-in the Team(locker room).whenever a Player is asking too be Released that sends many signal thru-out not only the league But Jets Program!!!!
#2..the sacks this yr went up big time, and it wasn’t all because of 1 player eiher..everyone is quick to pounce upon Hunter(not saying he shouldnt be replaced) BUt D’Brick allowed 9.5 sacks..Hunter 8.5 sacks..Mangold 3 sacks..thats 21 sacks allowed by 3 OL….
Yrs ago I saw this sametype of OL play with another Team!!!!..that Team QB was being constantly sacked…had no confidence and wasnt a Leader…player? Jim Plunkett!!!!…ya he was traded too Oakland and did wonders with Al Davis..but the point I am trying to bring across is IF those on OL dont have Faith in there QB..then u’ll see sloppy play!!!!
after Miami Game “Crommartie” didnt come out and say it fully BUT did say what he said in ways that the DEF side of the ball was very upset with ALL on the Off-side!!!
look at it from a Def players angle..You go out Hold a team to a 3 and out..You leave field knowing you did YOUR JOB, only too see Your Off, throw a pick-6..or a Int on a checkdown…or there is a fumble..Right there causes players to Question “ONES” ability!!!!!!
But Sanchez know;s mo matter how many errors he makes He wont be taken out!!!..He doesnt change his bad habits..thats why JETS need a back-up that will PUSH HIM!!!..but will it work? will it help?…don’t know look at the “hissy-Fit” Sanchez threw when Brunell ran 1st team Off in a practise..Brunell a QB who deserves a chance too do this because of RESPECT!!!!!
I thought the J-Co problem was
that he wanted to move up on the depth chart and be used more like a #2 receiver, but the Jets free agency moves made it clear that he would always be a situational/3rd down guy, and he wasn’t happy with his lack of upward mobility.
He seemed to say some very nice things about Holmes when the press was lambasting him as a “cancer” (like, this wasn’t the Santonio he knew and that the Santonio from last year was a hard worker and good teammate). I’m not sure J-Co was an indicator of the strife to come. But his leaving a leadership void might have contributed, and he may have just been lucky in his timing.
He wanted to be a started and be a #1
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by Noble_Lance on Jan 11, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
probably what you thought at the time.
no worries on that. But he wanted to be a #1, he was for a while before Edwards, and Holmes came in, he was shoved into a possession receiver role.
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This is gossip trash that isn't worth the characters to write it up
This guys deals in trash and should be writing fr the inquirer. Annonymous = made up. Or probably quoting Holmes since he was probably the leak in both instances.
And Manish could be making all this shish up also....
Not one “Jets source” put their name on it so Manish can F off with this crap
why would they?
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Leadership starts with the HC, not the QB
And one of the most startling failures of Rex were his unflagging support of Sanchez despite his performance. When Rex said Sanchez is his QB for as long as Rex is HC was incredibly stupid. Actually it was beyond stupid. You play the guys who give you the best chance to win. The Jets never should have gone into last season without a decent backup QB who could push Sanchez.
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
Thanks - Here's another one.
What kind of HC establishes a ground and pound philosophy and then allows his OC to call more pass plays than running plays? Rex should have told him it’s my team and either you align your game plans to my philosophy or get the hell out. The HC needs to show complete control of the team and Rex did not do that at all this season.
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
keep going on ur roll..
alot of people fail to UNDERSTAND that the Teams Gameplan for up coming games goes THRU the Head-Coach..HC works with HIS CORD. to have a plan that benefits all aspects of there teams plus and minius;s…REX knew fully well Gameplan against Giants was pass happy Because of Giant;s so-called bad DB’s play!!!..Players then PRACTISE this gameplan during the week..now seems to me that somehwere during this Gameplan process signals arnt meeting or not in sync!!!!!
so My question is this..After Game REX saying No more 50-60 pass -plays in a game.well WHY didnt He make that change during the GAME> or address it during the Half?..
somebody is dropping the Ball, and I dont think it is all upon a OC….OC is basically the HEAD Coach.following His GamePlan….
OldJets..YOUR DEAD On correct in what HC is—has been saying about HIS QB…and I do believe there are many More Players besides Holmes who arn’;t all that happy or pleased with there current QB!!!
I love Rex but...
alot of things he lets out to the media is stupid, for instance he tells them that we are going back to ground and pound after Sanchez had a bad game or like fanatic said, he gave Sanchez a free ride by saying he was his QB as long as hes HC, Rex needs to stop airing everything out and start making better decisions in the locker room
"The message to the rest of the league is, hey, the Jets are coming, and we're going to give you everything we got. And I think that's going to be more than you can handle"
Whatever!!!
If you were getting planted on every throw like he was all year long except for a two game span with no sacks (won both games) you would be shaky too. He is tough as nails look how many big shots he took and picked himself up and moved on. He has no legit back-up to push him but on the same lines he has no legit back-up to replace him if he gets hurt either and that is the FO fault. I get just a s frustrated with him as everyone else when he throws dumb picks but lets see what he can do with a good o-line in front of him and a good OC calling plays that play to his strengths.
GREAT POST
You hit it right on the head…..and, not only did he get hit, but he got HIT….how many times did he get hit so hard – with no call by the refs, btw – only to see the player that hit him get fined after the game (I remember twice, might be more).
Sanchez got absolutely ASSAULTED in the Baltimore game, should have gone into therapy for PTSD, and never looked the same after that game.
Being born in New York and rooting for the Islanders, Jets, and Mets. Yeah, I know.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
This is all true, but it doesn’t speak to the issues people brought up, such as his work ethic and sensitivity to criticism.
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Aren't we all sensitive to criticism?
I know I would be if I were getting killed by the media like Sanchez is. That’s a normal reaction and he shouldn’t be looked at as weak just because he’s affected.
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Maybe he just doesn't want to read criticism on his Twitter
Seems normal to me. If I had Twitter, I may at one time want to follow something and at another time, nope.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
John B
Would you like to hear everyday how much GGN sucks or how John B has no business running a Jets site every single day on TV, papers, websites, and twitter. Every day this kid gets hammered, why would he willingly read it on his own twitter account??? Doesn’t make sense to keep following people who put you down all the time does it?
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
And if the site sucked, he would hear it. What makes you think he wouldn't?
This is NY. Thats the deal. When you suck, people let you know. Eli had to eat a lot of shit too. Goes with the territory.
but the point is, maybe he just got tired of the twitter hits on the subject
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Would he willingly follow the critics on twitter tho?
After 3 years of getting dumped on, he decides to unfollow people who are constantly berating him. I don’t see that as a character problem
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think the twitter portion is the minor portion of the story
The damaging part to Sanchez is a teammate was calling him lazy, weak minded, complacent, and lacked confidence. They said he hasn’t improved at all and was making “stupid plays and stupid throws.” They said they would trade Sanchez for Peyton Manning in a heartbeat. That is the damaging portion of the story.
Sanchez unfollowing writers on beat writers is just a distraction.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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I agree. On its own, the Twitter thing isn’t a story. I think it’s indicative of a bigger problem.
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by John B on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Twitter...
I see the twitter comment on the story as an “oh by the way” type cherry-on-the-top comment that may have been used to help convey the message that Sanchez doesn’t handle criticism well. If there were no comments by players and it was reported Sanchez unfollowed criticizing writers, nobody would give a hoot.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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that's the part I was talking about tho....
No one has ever questioned his work ethic before now, so I take “unnamed sources” with a grain of salt
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
The fact that it is “unnamed sources” probably makes it more damaging to Sanchez. He goes into a locker room not knowing who said what and who truly thinks what. Whether the comment is true or not, it’ll probably leave him wondering, especially if he has any of those traits reported. If they named the source, at least he could confront them.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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Well thankfully Sanchez is never gonna hear about the story because
he took them off his twitter
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
I’m sure he’ll still read about it or hear about it elsewhere. Especially in NY.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
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At the very least he'll hear about it
because he’ll get the tweet from Mangold. He and Mark are still chummy on Twitter, I imagine.
I'm sure he has a pretty good idea of who is talking crap about him
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But He hasnt done that
He knows holmes doesnt like-care about Him.during the Game with Miami He failed to confront Holmes…if he is the leader then he needs to STEP to the Plate BUT HE Didnt…right there showed Proof He isnt respected as a leader…
.when a Team players on Both sides of the ball Stand behind there QB then u have a team..here laetly we are seeing a Split between who is for and Who is against this QB!!!..and when former Players come out with opinions that further makes and shows where the problems are
I mean how many Coach;s have left JET;s these past few weeks?.If u believe in YOUR TEAM You’ll stay and help right the SHIP Right?.
Sanchez saying He and holmes will correct there Issues,How? if You couldn’t do it during this past season what makes you think Next season will be any better?….
Wonder if Eli follows the beat writers?
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Eli has a Twitter
Oh yes that's right, I'm a Jets fan.
by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Eli has a ring.
Nobody can say shit about Eli.
They can say he sucked just as bad as Sanchez in his first 3 years in the league
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Except half the people on Big Blue View
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Slight exagerration
I would say about five, maybe ten people are still against Eli. And those are the people who are cantankerous, haven’t liked him from the start, and admit they have no logical basis for feeling that way. BBV is 99.95% behind Eli, as is his team, which is a trillion times more important.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 11, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, maybe
But I had to stop reading over there midseason because of all the fire Coughlin, Fewell, Eli posts.
But I do know how these blogs work and the squeaky wheels get more attention.
by CervezaVerde on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Would you like to hear everyday how much GGN sucks or how John B has no business running a Jets site every single day
I do. Nikolai does that.
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Do you follow Nikolai on twitter so he can bash you there also?
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know his Twitter handle. I do get a fair amount of hate mail, though, and have seen plenty of criticism of me on other sites. I don’t think running this site is really comparable to quarterbacking the Jets, though.
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by John B on Jan 11, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The point was why would you follow people who constantly criticize you
Obviously the media is going to criticize; it’s their job. But who in their right mind wants to see it on their own twitter account John.
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
We had a writer here on GGN who interacted with a Jet on Twitter a few tears back. Then that writer got justifiably critical of that guy’s play. The player stopped interacting with our writer from that point on. That to me was a cowardly move.
As a writer here, I’m not doing my job if I’m not taking criticism to heart. Just last week, two respected posters, Buzzy and YankeesJets called me out when I went overboard bashing Schotty. I’m glad they did. I deserved it.
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by John B on Jan 11, 2012 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
All I'm saying is he hets bashed all the time in every media outlet there is
Maybe he wants his own personal twitter account to be free of the beat writers bashing him. I don’t see a problem with it
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Your job is to put out a good website
You best listen to criticism from you readers, since they are your end users. If they don’t like your columns style and content, you lose viewers. A QB though, he shouldn’t really give a crap about a non coaches opinion of his skills and performance.
I really don’t think the whole me vs. Sanchez comparison was really apples to apples.
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I think twitter is more of a personal thing than a media outlet
You’re right it wasn’t apples to apples
I look at twitter more like it’s facebook than a media outlet. If I don’t like someone or don’t want to hear what they have to say, I don’t follow them and I wouldn’t friend request them.
I don’t think it’s a character issue that Mark doesn’t follow beat writers. They can still ask all the questions they want of him at pressers…
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I truly hope not. But the point is, unfollowing a twitter feed is meaningless in this situation. The fact that it was included in the article diminishes the credibility of the rest of the article.
Unnamed sources, twitter garbage, etc means nothing.
Truth is, everyone, including Sanchez, knows he needs to do better next year. The rest is just chatter.
What eludes me is how everyone forgets just what a big play, bomb completing, late game heroic QB he was in 2010. So now he is a bum?? Yes, he regressed. Lets give him the off season, some real OTAs, and some new coaches to get back on the right path.
I have faith.
Hate mail?
Seriously? Wow.
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by OldProspects on Jan 11, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I mean hate e-mail.
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by John B on Jan 11, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's just funny
Who takes the time to write in hate e-mail for a blog? If you don’t like it, why would you come back?
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
because they are Jets fans
we are used to years of abuse and coming back for more
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by Noble_Lance on Jan 11, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Cam,Stafford and Alex Smith get "Planted " on the norm as well.
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maybe Alex Smith
but I don’t think any of them got destroyed like Sanchez did against Baltimore. He barely got a chance to drop back. And it was like that the entire game.
As someone who played free safety for most of my life on teams with bad QB's
I put my money on this “source” being a defensive player. Nothing worse than getting a stop only to have to go back out on the field after your “leader” gave the ball away.
I have no idea why anyone would be shocked by this. At all. Mark was never a leader, not in college, not now.
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by B.Rush on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
All kidding aside...
This doesn’t really surprise me. Honestly, I think it’s kind of the environment that Rex Ryan fosters. This is what happens when you try to force leaders on a team — leaders that neither perform nor lead.
Damn she looks good.
And she loves the camera!
eh!
I personally think Maybin is hotter but to each his own.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
This is why no matter how much he sucks as a QB...
I still have respect for him. ::bites knuckles::
by Exystence on Jan 11, 2012 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would she be with him if he wasnt the QB for the Jets?
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
That's a loaded question
models, actors don’t hook up with football players…unless they are you know famous or football players.
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True
But will she still want him if hes a back up after this year?
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
I don't know,
but she’s sure as hell getting a lot of publicity for her association with the Jets and Sanchez in particular. At least they’ll always have PR.
she trying to Jessica Simpson the poor boy
we can tell if she start poping up to Jets games and events
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
Disgraceful
We don’t need cowards on this team that bash their QB without even having the courage to put their name behind their statements. I hope they find out who the player is, and immediately cut/trade them.
I disagree
I think what B.Rush said is 100% dead-on the Mark!!!!..and if u like me have been following the little snipets that come out from day to day,Crommartie after the Miami game did say that some of the DEf side of Ball werent pleased with there OF side play…Holmes I felt has a right to say How he feels..He does get open and never see;s a ball..I mean REX made Him OUR #1 WR..
But as B.Rush said, no DEF likes doing there job holding a team to a 3 and out ONLY too see all there work was for Naught!!!..and that inner feeling towards a team;s QB does trickle slowly too all sides of the Ball!!!..how many sacks this year?..thats a tell-tale sign of Not fully believing in ur QB…
There would be no article in the first place if it named names.
You want this article that reveals the feeling in the clubhouse or nothing at all and everyone stays in the dark about what is going on with the team?
"One time, when we got back to the locker room, all of our clothes were gone," Trout recalled. "They left me a Lady Gaga costume and I had to wear it."
Kid gotta grow up though.
I still did not think sanchez took excessive big hits this season. Even when he is dragged down, he acts like he took the most vicious hit. Some fans are fooled but not me. His teammates see this phony guy masquerading as their qb and they are getting fed up.
Sanchez thinks being the first one in and last one to leave a meeting makes one great. While that is good, it is not enough. It is time for this kid to really grow up. One way of showing it is by taking charge of what he does on practice days and showing up on game day.
Are you f'ing kidding me????
Did you even watch any ets games this year? Sanchez got freaking mauled
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yes an I see it differently. QB hit come with the position. Sanchez just gets rattled with a little hit. This game is for men. If you truly want a winning season, pray for a QB who got heart.
by overloadblitz on Jan 11, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
lol you can debate a lot of things Sanchez did or didnt do this year, but taking big hits isn't one of them...
He was sacked 5th most in the leauge(5 sacks away from the most sacked qb) and that’s only counting sacks…he was getting maulded on tons of plays that weren’t sacks too. Its a fact that Sanchez took a lot of hits this season.
by RhodesRocks on Jan 11, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The QBs that got hit/sacked as much as him still had very successful yrs.
No drama either.
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did they?
I see Blaine Gabbert, Sam Bradford, Tarvaris Jackson, Alex Smith and Big Ben. The only one that’s had a relatively successful season is Alex Smith and Big Ben. And I say relative because the 49ers essentially gameplan around Smith and Big Ben is finally on the injured list.
Tarvaris Jackson had a pretty good yr.(and No weps to throw to)
Stafford ,Cam and Cutler got hit and sacked a ton.
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Tarvaris Jackson has as many TDs as INTs and his rating is only a point higher than Sanchez.
so I don’t see where he had a ‘pretty good year’.
That said, all the other QBs you mentioned are better than Sanchez. However, who you DIDN’T MENTION, are McCoy, Kolb, Ponder, Tebow…
It’s easy to cherry pick the good QBs, but the bottom line is when you look at the top 10 in that category, you’re more likely to find an unsuccessful QB unless you’re elite.
My argument wasn't that every QB that gets hit is successful
It was that there are plenty that make it work in spite of the pressure .. making plays if you will.
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the fact that Tarvaris Jackson
had a 1/2 decent yr is a miracle .. He must have the worse set of WRs in the league .
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I can't stand this Scapegoat Mentality
If Rex is going to allow players to express themselves the rule needs to be that you have to put your name on it.
As far as Sanchez is concerned, they are scapegoating the kid. Sanchez doesn’t cover tight ends, rush the passer, put together the roster, block for himself, open holes for running backs etc.
Defense looked slow and old this year lined played horribly we are still not sure if shon Greene is a #1 back /gameplanning was horrible yet Sanchez gets all the blame. When they run him off and they will, he will go elsewhere and be very successful.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
there sure would be a lot of cuts then.
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Giants
The Giants turmoil >turned hot playoff team, makes the Jets look even worse. They couldn’t handle the turmoil at all and completely fell on their face. F the Giants, but its highlights how bad the end of the season was/is. I can’t believe how toxic things have gotten and wonder how far this will go.
If Sanchez was on a different team and got to back to back AFC games, he’d be seen as a hot shot rookie. B/c of RR’s guarantees, he’s now seen as a failure and a bitch. Its sad, and I think it will only get worse before it gets better. (Praying to Tebow it DOES get better at some point).
Oh, and SHE IS FREAKIN HOT!!!!
by mangold'sbeard on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions
Strange
I have never heard anyone describe Sanchez as being lazy and content before this 8-8 season.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
He isnt lazy
when he won 4 road playoff games but now he is? Its amazing how one 8-8 season makes these guys act out like this. you would think this is a team that hasnt experienced any success.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
This is the first post I’ve ever seen that questioned his work ethic on or off the field.
And the twitter thing…who the F would want to see the negative shit that the beat “writers” put out there?
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Nah he's been called out before (Dilfer and Hasselback).
They’ve said he doesn’t know what hard work really is. What studying film really is. There’s been other rumblings as well. Going through the motions and being early and leaving late is hollow when you’re not doing anything with that time. If that “hard work” isn’t translating on the field.
Dilfer and Hasselback?
How do they know what Sanchez is doing? They up in Connecticut sitting at their desks and shaving their heads. If Sanchez isn’t studying correctly it’s because he hasn’t been coached on what he needs to be looking at on film. I was under the impression Gannon was brought in to teach him how to study film. I also remember saying Sanchez now knows how to prepare like a pro….I don’t know about you but I believe Gannon over Dilf and Hass any day of the week.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
What the hell did I just type?
That’s what happens when you think faster than you type.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
Has Sanchez ever looked prepared in a game? Ever??? Has he ever dissected a defense? Ever??? Say what you want about the guys in Bristol, they know quarterbacking. They know the results of real preparation. They know what real studying is.
Dilfer knows what real studying is?
Okay.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
maybe the Jets should bring in someone that can teach him how to do that then?
by GangGreen73 on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think this is the main takeaway
If he hasn’t been taught how to dissect film and defenses properly, bring someone in to teach him that because it is absolutely something that is teachable (as long as you can break any previously taught bad habits).
I’d be curious to see who comes in to replace Cavanaugh. Gannon would be great.
I agree
look team-mates are SAYING He does watch game films..But His play on the field shows and tells a different story!!!..I have yet to see him pick apart any teams DEF!!!.He still can not read a Def-Coverage, and HIS checkdown INT;s prove that too a “T”!!!!!!!
He throws a hissy-fit when Brunell runs the 1st team Off in a practise..that isnt the sign of a TEAM leader!!!..I mean yes this yr He regressed , alot goes to plays being called I agree BUT alot falls upon the Player Himself!!!!!….He didnt step-up!!..then the Internal problems within the locker room also showed he didnt TAKE a STAND..sure the HC Runs the team BUT He relys on HIS QB to Lead his team of player;s and Sanchez doesnt do that!!!..
I dont hate but am Not happy with some of his actions on field
come on I am not the only that see;s or feels this way…I said it b/4 and I’ll say it again this whole Internal matter were shown for ALL too see when a PLAYER asked too be released..that started the Turmoils we are now reading about!!!
But In Miami Game..the wrong player confronted Holmes!!! needed to have been the Leader of the team and it wasnt!!!!..watch other teams who is the ONE yelling-calling out a player after a so and so play didnt work..IT IS THERE QB!!! we dont see that Here now do we?
Was Eli yelling at anyone in his third year in the league?
No… he looked like a total bust and the team was splintered as all hell. In his 4th year they won the SB and everything was all gravy.
You constantly post the same exact thing over and over again, but it doesn’t make it true. Cotchery wanted to be a #1 or #2 instead of what the Jets had planned for him. You’re making up the whole locker room issue with Cotch…you are the only one saying it.
Maybe so...
But as I’ve said over and over:
We drafted a guy who should never have entered the draft when he did that was playing for USC on a team so good that virtually anyone could have managed as the QB. I don’t think Mark knows how to study film well. Our QB coach is bad and our OC was a joke. It’s hard to blame such a young student with such bad teachers.
We’ll see how he responds this year. If it isn’t well… we’ll be getting a new QB next year.
EXACTLY
Wasn’t there an article where they said he was the first one hitting the gym when they got back from the Oakland game at 5am? Dustin has defended Mark on several occassions too saying that no one works harder than him. This is Menish crap.. he’s trash journalism.. probably trying to build a name for himself at the paper… whatever
Blame Rex
lets face it this organization is a zoo right now. We have let most of the leaders go the last few years and now we have a bunch of malcontents. Rex is looking more and more like his father everyday, a great coordinator who has no clue how to handle the personalities of an entire roster.
We need more guys like Mangold and Pouha and less like Holmes and Plax. This is exactly why we must resign Jim Leonhard because he is another leader. I still think there is a good core group with this team but too many bad personalities. Losing guys like Woody and Cotchery hurt on the field but really killed us off the field.
Agree, but
Plax has been quiet this year and should get a pass until otherwise proven guilty.
by mangold'sbeard on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
but the fact remains that there are some bad characters on this team. You would never see this stuff from the likes of Nick Mangold or Sione Pouha. We need more quality guys on this team.
by bklynbrewcrew on Jan 11, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone would be inclined to disagree with you there.
"Chrebet is magic!"
by NYJALLFINGDAY on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
So he unfollowed some beat writers on Twitter!!
This is typical NY “news”, filling the space that print and other media need to fill. Sanchez “un-followed” some beat writers who were critical?? Big Deal, as he should ONLY be paying attention to his coaches’ opinions on his performance, not some writers. And with new OC and hopefully QB coaches incoming, lets hope for the best on that front.
Unnamed sources are garbage. The rats coming out when things get tough. Winning on the other hand cures all.
And to say he is shy about being hit, that is nonsense. He takes excessive hits all the time.
Whether it be Sparano, Haley or whoever, once the new coaches bring some discipline, we may see a better performance. I just hope Rex gets that part of the equation.
I hate this report very much
Is Sanchez a hard worker or not? We’ve heard consistently through his career that his preparation, work ethic, study habits, ect. were all top notch and light years ahead of where they should be, and in fact, his intangibles are a large reason why many continue to support him. Also, I cannot stand hiding behind anonymity and blaming teamates. If you go to a media outlet to complain about your teammates, you are a cancer and should be treated as such and 2) because of their anonymity, this report is less credible, I would take this much more seriously if someone like Mangold or DK or LT said this than say, Josh Baker or Matt Kroul.
"Chrebet is magic!"
Unfollowing Twitter accounts?
Really? That is a big deal? I almost unfollow Cimini EVERY GAME because all he tweets about is negative shit on the Jets…and Sanchez in particular…I can’t blame Mark at all…I want to stop and he’s not even talking shit about me…that dude’s a clown…he only tweets negative shit…rarely says anything positive, and in the games the Jets win, he’s almost silent…
I only follow him for his “reporting” of breaking news…his commentary is god-awful…
But on a bigger note, if the players really want a new QB, that is a problem…
Although winning cures all…if they bounce back as a TEAM, Mark will be the hero…if not, the goat…such is life as a quarterback…
by Down Since '86 on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions
He still follows
Rich Eisen, chris mortenson, and boomer. They all bash him.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Yeah, but those guys' scope is a bit wider.
They’re not the guys Mark has to see in his weekly presser.
Winning cures everything
That’s all I have to say.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 11, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions
Nick Mangold took to Twitter
This [story] by @TheJetsStream is false. If “unnamed sources” want to attack Mark, man up and put your name to it #JETS
Yeah Baby! Mangold in the House!
You tell them Pro Bowl Center!
Ah I love that guy!
He’s protecting his QB off the field too.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
Not for nothing.. BUT
I’ll take Mangold’s word or Manish’s. Why? Mangold is actually on the team. And what type of “Veteran” would put this out there and be scared to have their name associated with it? Or do you think Manish wasn’t asking every one of them if he could use their name?
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
This is true leadership!!!
Mangold steps up. Maybe he will put the malcontents in their place. Moore can join in also. And even Hunter, from what the reports say. Lets get 1000 lbs of muscle to get the whiners to put up or shut up!!
Old school leadership.
Rex is the root of all this. He doesn't hold anybody accountable for anything.
And he created this environment where guys are free to speak to the media. So the result is guys are filling the accountability void themselves. If Rex was honest with the media and called out the bad play of the offense (like he does with the defense) this wouldn’t happen. But instead of being out in front he sweeps the problems under the rug and hopes they’ll disappear, and when they erupt on the field he pretends he didnt see it. So the players take the torch and carry it for him.
Rex is the baby here. He needs to sack up and lead.
how can you hold an annonymous source accountable??
the players are gone.. they can do whatever they want..
Rex is not the problem..
No, you can hold your team accountable (ie during the season).
And if he did, guys wouldn’t be chirping.
I said this in a fanshot someone posted about this article
The same thing happened in Pittsburgh after the Steelers went 9-7 and missed the playoffs (and after the 2nd sex assault case) in ’09. Unnamed sources were saying all types of stuff about Ben…they even wanted to trade the guy to St. Louis for their 1st pick Bradford. It has nothing to do with how the coaches handle their players.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
Rex needs to figure out how to get through to his players so they don’t do stuff like this. It’s his job.
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by John B on Jan 11, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this
I still think Sanchez can lead this franchise, but can somebody on the coaching staff please just say he sucks already. Make him feel a little pressure about his job at least?
He needs to stop being treated like a golden boy and start being treated like a man. If he can’t handle that, then move on.
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 11, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
The thing is
We don’t know what people are saying to him behind the scenes and things should remain that way.
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
Whatever their saying its obviously not working
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
That's why the talking needs to stop
They need to start doing
Love with a LEO is like a drug.. One taste and your addicted!
Agreed
This
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Love Mangold
not only is this guy a great player but he is a fantastic leader.
I think Cimini said it..
In a live feed recently. With all the recent critizism of Sanchez by former players lately, Cimini responded that he’s not worried about it until current players start spewing negative comments. Well now we got current ‘un-named’ sources doing it. We’re getting pretty close.
by mangold'sbeard on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions
I would preach "wait and see."
You have an entire offseason where people will have time to cool off from the disappointment of this past season. You have new blood at coaching, rumors are swirling that Cavanaugh is on the hot seat. I wouldn’t be sure, but I’d roll the dice that if people see a different Mark at the beginning of OTAs next year, you won’t be hearing this “unnamed source” nonsense anymore.
I saw part of the bit on ESPN this morning about this, too
Seems that there’s a lot of takeaways from this. One is that how is a struggling young guys supposed to be the leader on a team chock full of veterans and personalities? That’s what the Tomlinson’s, Ferguson’s, Scott’s, etc. need to be – the veteran leadership while the young dude finds his feet. Secondly, we all feel that a lot of the problems fall on the OC, which is thankfully gone. Thirdly, a lot of players seem to play better when you don’t get down on them. Willie Mays was one of these guys according to Leo Durocher in Nice Guys Finish Last.
The last thing I’d like to 2 cents on here is that if Sanchez really is being lazy in his study habits, practice habits or what have you, then yes, a fire needs to be lit under his ass one way or the other.
All that said, btw, it’s pretty impressive that a team in such disarray could go 8-8. You’d think they went 3-13 and full on spiraled out of control the way the Bucs did for example.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 11, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions
Good point from Hubbach
One question: How can a player that organizes & coordinates offseason workouts by his teammates 2,000 miles away be considered “lazy”? #NYJ
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by Bob_The_Friendly_Baker on Jan 11, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions
Excellent point.
I think what we’re seeing here is a lot of sour grapes by some Jets players who maybe didn’t get all the “love” they expected this year.
by struckanerve9 on Jan 11, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Geez...
I can’t help but notice how similar this sounds to the way the Giants fans and players used to bash Eli for not being a strong leader. At least, in that circumstance, Tiki Barber had the cajones to actually allow his name to be used.
Well, Tiki was also on his way out.
It’s easy to talk when you’re headed into a job in the media. In fact if anything it helps you.
by Exystence on Jan 11, 2012 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Coaches have thrown Sanchez under the bus
It’s no wonder Sanchez is taking so much heat form teammates. The previous OC (I dare not mention his name in these parts) along with the position coaches have for the best part of Sanchez’s career thought it best to repeatedly humiliate him instead of coach him.
Have you ever heard of any pro-QB being hit with objects to help cure ball security issues or being on an alarm clock to cure internal clock issues or having the world told at news conferences about the number of practice reps he’s been “benched” for? How is he meant to maintain credibility with his team-mates when the coaches hang him out to dry?
Then our FO and HC decide to surround a young, developing QB with rebel veterans. Just mount the obstacles up in front of him!!! Teh dysfunctional play-calling, miscommunications, mental errors that lead to penalties from the line and WRs, errors on routes all count against him as he’s the only one involved in every play. Everyone else’s mistakes show up on his stats. Drops, miss routes all count as an incompletions.
REx has to stop treating the offence as a whole as some ugly stepsister he can hide in the basement. No matter how many Pro-bowlers, future HOFers are on the team and no matter how loud the HC is the QB has to be The Man!
They need to set Sanchez up to succeed. His success will mean JETS success.
^ +1,000,000
Are there issues Sanchez needs to work on? Of COURSE. We know all that. This defense of Sanchez isn’t an excuse for the QB skills he needs to improve.
But taph is right that the guy hasn’t really been given a fair shake, at least as to this particular season. That buzzer thing brought back the Sanchez “happy feet.” No amount of being hit by whiffle bats will prepare you for a shot to the chest by Von Miller, and if anything makes a QB on the lookout for pressure instead of teaching him to keep his eyes downfield.
Law of unintended consequences.
Absolutely Mickey Mouse coaching. Can't argue that.
But missing routine throws when his receiver is open and where he’s supposed to be is just plain inexcusable. Running yourself into pressure when a simple slide step or step up into the pocket would easily avoid it, is simply inexcusable. The routine misreads and throwing into traffic when there’s other receivers wide open, is simply inexcusable. And when you practice all week with the expectation of getting a certain look, and when you get that look you have no idea what you’re looking at, its simply inexcusable.
Yes, he gets a bit of a pass this year for being subjected to Mickey Mouse coaching, but he’s gotta start making the throws that any 3rd stringer can easily make.
I just wonder...
how much of this comes through natural inclination to a QB and how much of it actually does require some sort of coaching up. I mean, we might think it’s natural to figure out where to step into the pocket in the rush, but maybe he needs that worked on and they haven’t been doing it. Maybe he sucks at watching film and reading defenses or maybe he needs teaching.
The missed throws suck, but often to me seem to be the result of a general lack of confidence, not because he can’t make those throws.
I want to give him the new season with the new staff. It’s hard to find the control in this experiment – was the problem the QB, the coaches, or both? I think we’ll get a better sense of which (and in what proportion) with Sanchez surrounded by some new, not-Schotty people.
FYI, I've rarely been the Sanchez apologist.
But it’s so weird watching old footage of what he can do, even some of what he did in years 1 and 2 with the Jets, and seeing the crap from this year. There’s cognitive dissonance there that I just can’t shake.
I completely agree.
I’m just unwilling to apologize for him or give him any leeway. And I do think he was severly damaged by coaching, but it could just have easily been that the coaching was severly damaged by him. I mean, how do you coach a guy that can’t read what he’s looking at, and can’t make the throw when he does read it right?
OMG, Schotty is Deapthroat
I bet his parting shot at Mark..
Great Points
Excellent.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
Hiding from the truth ....
Perhaps getting rid of Schotty is the first positive step in the bloodletting that is needed to get this franchise back on track. The second step, in my opinion, is facing the truth that the player in whom they made a huge investment, is just not very good and has no potential to improve significantly from where he is right now. The whole franchise from Woody on down has refused to acknowledge this and for the past three years has perpetuated this lie. No wonder there is dissension in the locker room (and no …. it’s not just Holmes) this year. Are there alternatives out there? I don’t know …… barring some crazy turn of events where Indy might be willing to let Peyton go and we bring him to the Jets, the best alternative might be to go after somebody like Flynn, make the QB competition a “real” competition next summer and let the chips fall where they may.
I feel sorry for Sanchez..
However, it is and isn’t his fault that he is in this situation unfortunately. The guy never had a chance to be a leader in the 1st place. He spent but 1 freaking year with a yearly stacked with talent USC team w/ PC as coach before the scandal. What the Jets drafted was an extremely raw/unpolished QB who had just come off a Rose Bowl victory and was used to only winning. It isn’t any different with what they say about Tebow now. Denver isn’t winning primarily because of him, the win despite him but Tebow has had the necessary college experience where he won big Bowl games but also lost and still showed that big time leadership that he is able to instill in his team now even when things look bleak. Sanchez just was never put into that sort of situation where he would be able to show those types of characteristics. When you hear about the back to back title game showings, it’s always been “The defense and or/running game led us there”….Never “Sanchez carried us there”…Poor kid, now if it’s true this is from inside coming from actual player’s mouths…Mark will always be looking behind his back because he can’t trust his teammates since they have absolutely no trust in him, even good guys who may show their face publically that they are supportive of him….He’ll just take it in his mind as “I don’t believe you”….He might start to resent the Jets and playing here. The Jets organization, coaching staff and Sanchez himself have wrecked and destroyed the very most important position on any football team: the guy at the helm, the QB.
it doesn't mean crap when your team doesn't support you
bringing in guys like Holmes and allowing him free reign to do whatever he wants as a ‘captain’ doesn’t help his cause. Neither does having a moron like Schotty as your teacher. Really…what is 3 years? There are QBs out there that spend their first 3 years on the bench.
don't know if you guys saw, but Mangold just tweeted that this was false and whoever said it needs to man up
Sounds like it might not be the general consensus then?
by cstroh8 on Jan 11, 2012 12:43 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
its been said above and its on the main page as a fanshot.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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sorry about that
Im on my iphone so i missed it
by cstroh8 on Jan 11, 2012 2:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
no worries
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
For all the Holmes Bashing
going on, He has been quiet. I don’t know where his anger is directed (Schotty, Sanchez, both) b/c he hasn’t peeped a word. There’s no excuse for his antics at the end of the year, but keep in mind that he is not mouthing off now, when doing so would be the equilavent of an A Bomb. I can get over ‘un-named’ and Greg McElroy.
Maybe, just maybe, he can man up and take Sanchez’s back in this war and bring back some confidence to this team and its fans. (It would be a great PR move in spite of how he really feels about his QB.)
Yea cause Marks a great PR guy
I feel all the PR/lies need to stop … along with all the unnamed sources !
It really doesnt help the team in no way ,even if the story is true (which is what I think). But be for real not everyone on a team is gonna like everybody so thats not a surprize , what it really speaks to though is the lack of leaders and any self policing by the players on this team . Leaders are born that way not appointed to that roll i.e. Thomas Jones …..
The rest of the NFL is looking at this and laughing at us because you know they hate us anyway right they believe us to be the ugly redheaded step child of this region …..
Manish needs to go some where and fucking relax and stop trying to dig up dirt because its old news already , lets take some unnamed quotes from his coworkers and see if they like his lame ass!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
Mangold is holding the fort for the team!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
It has nothing to do with Mark being a PR guy, it has to do with Holmes’ future in the league and with this team. He needs to suck it up and come out and support his QB, when his QB needs it the most. BE A TEAM PLAYER. It wouldn’t solve his problems but would certainly help.
by mangold'sbeard on Jan 11, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think he should
If he feels like that about Mark then he should speek up but , I dont think he should be fake about it and act like he supporting Sanchez just for a better PR stance on the QB …
I do think the QB gets too much credit/blame when a team does well or fails as ugly as we failed…
And Holmes is more proven on the field than some of his peers so he will have a team in the near future if its here or not .
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
His creditability is tarnished
as a selfish diva and not being a team player. Surely speaking up right now would help him in that respect. But in the end he doesn’t need to care, cause he is selfish and is guaranteed to get paid.
by mangold'sbeard on Jan 11, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez needs to speek up for himself I think
and that would say alot for Mark …. Just to let the fans know hes going to fight for control of my team
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
why should he speak up and add to this mess in the media?
if anything it should be Rex that speaks up and gets that locker room under control.
maybe Holmes is the unnamed source?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was that “one prominent player”
If in this upcoming year, we have to go through another one of these season’s with Rex mouth boasting some more inane nonsense, that is when we will know why this sort of behavior of speaking out and leaks of “unnamed” sources talking is happening because the HC fosters that behavior that these “unnamed” people don’t mind being their own Rex Ryan’s as long as their can hide under being “unnamed”….Those are gutless cowards that need to be removed and or/called out immediately by the head coach and taken care of. If he doesn’t do it because he is more interested in “being the player’s friends” then that’s on him and he needs to be shown the ticket out the door. Even in the 2009/2010 season’s when the team was showing success, I was never a fan of his countless boasting, middle fingers to hecklers, feet crap being talked about. etc. It was only matter of time till it came crashing down to nail us the fans right in the face…I just didn’t think it would come THAT fast as it has.
Random Thoughts
After reading all the above comments, a few things come to mind.
One, Rex is solely to blame for the mess that this season and offseason has turned into, from the anonymous sources articles, to Santonio quitting, to the offensive strategy being different than what he expected/wanted. He needs to quit being such a coward and pussy, and grow a pair. He needs to demand accountability and tell coaches and players in no uncertain terms that this is HIS team and what he expects and demands from each of them. Further they need to know that if they cross him or screw up repeatedly they will be gone, not matter who or how “good” they may be. He needs to stop running his mouth to the media and also stop the players from doing it. They are only following his lead and doing what he allows.
Woody and Tanny need to hold his feet to the fire and hold him accounbtable. He gets some leeway because of what he accomplished his first two years with a lack of talent at some key positions, a rookie QB, and an inept OC. That leeway is quickly wearing thin however. He has a LOT of flaws and a LOT of growing/learning to do as a HC. If he doesn’t make some major changes during this offseason, then he needs to be put on notice next offseason that 2013 will be his last unless he straightens things out. Enough is enough.
Do you guys remember a Jets QB named Kenny O’Brien? Not that Sanchez has ever even remotely approached Kenny’s play when younger, but remember how O’Brien got gunshy and was ruined from taking too many hits/sacks? If the Jets have any hope of salvaging Sanchez, they need to fix the OL in a big way, get him a QB coach that can get his head on straight, and an OC that has a system that will be tailored to maximize Sanchez’ talents and abilities. If not, then they might as well trade up for RG3 in this draft or take another QB this year, because especially with all the sniping and criticism Sanchez is taking, he won’t be worth a crap in another year.
There does seem to be at least some truth to the article. Many of us have noted how Sanchez pouts or goes into a funk on the sidelines and how his overall demeanor just doesn’t portray confidence. It has also been pointed out how he sits alone on the sidelines and isn’t busy talking with the OC or QB coach and looking at pictures of the D and making adjustments.
The comment about game plans being too complex also strikes me as being spot on. Sanchez isn’t the sharpest pencil in the box and Schotty’s system is known for being complex. A poster also pointed out within the last few days that it appeared to him as if Schotty was telling Sanchez something different each week, which would confuse him, but also basically having him play not to lose rather than trying to win. That type of yo-yo and inconsistent handling, would confuse and rattle the confidence of about anyone. I believe that Rex deserves as much blame as Schotty does.
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
I think a good test will be
giving Sanchez a fresh start, with a fresh OC/QB Coach, a system that isn’t pre-packaged, and an entire offseason, OTAs, and camp to study and work.
Then give him a little QB competition next summer and let the tempest roar.
How can a quarterback be called lazy
When a few weeks ago articles were popping up about this same “lazy” QB calling back to back receiver and quaterback film study session AFTER PRACTICE, DAY AFTER DAY? Where is the lazy QB there? To top it off, it was Holmes that didn’t want to go these meetings even though he’s the number 1 guy. I don’t get it.
it probably wasn't someone that went to these meetings, or Jets West.
which further leads me to believe that if it’s someone on the offense, it’s probably Holmes.
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