Can Dallas Cowboys Make Up for Inexperience Up Front Against New York Jets?
by John B on Sep 6, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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The Cowboys currently have three projected starters Sunday, Phil Costa at center, Bill Nagy at left guard, and Tyron Smith at right tackle with one combined career start (although a Costa knee injury might find Nagy sliding to center and recently signed Derrick Dockery in the lineup). Smith was a highly regarded prospect. Nagy is an undrafted second year player. Nagy is a rookie seventh round pick. Some low picks are ready quickly like Matt Slauson, but having a pair of guys this young who were not so highly regarded is risky. This is a line inexperienced both in terms of games played and games played together.
Why is this important? The Jets run an attacking style of defense. They blitz heavily. The blitzes are successful for two reasons. The first is they frequently send more rushers than the other team has blockers in a given area. The second is the exotic angles from which the Jets blitz cause confusion and lead to blown assignments. Protection fails to identify and slide to adjust for a rusher. Having experience working with the guy next to you can be very helpful. After spending time with your fellow linemen, you learn how everybody reacts to certain situations and can adjust accordingly. You may have seen something similar in the past and already know how to respond. It can make all the difference in the world when a blitzer forces you to adjust in less than one second, and there is no time to communicate. The opposite is true for new lines looking to gel. A lack of cohesion is a disadvantage.
Considering how young Dallas will be up front, it is likely the guys there will have never seen anything like the looks are going to throw at them, let alone be able to work out how they will work in unison to respond.
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This is the deciding factor of the entire game.
Overloads will have these young guys wiffing on blocks all night. Cue the happy feet from Romo on ocassion and I would wager the secondary comes up with 2 turnovers from bad passes. Most likely the safties. I’m seeing some really sepcial things in store for Smith and Leonard this season and it starts week one.
I think we will have a field day with this line.
Very few OL draftees play well in their first couple of seasons. I think we will see a lot of penetration and a lot of false starts.
PLEASE
Can someone on the Jets front three + OLBs generate some pressure so they don’t have to blitz so much this year. Man I don’t want them to lead the league in third down conversions completed over 10+ yards again. And if they didn’t lead the league in that category, sure felt like they did. I hope they pick Maybin back up, say what you want, but he was the best the Jets had in getting pressure this preseason. For those of you who gonna counter this argument with he play against backups, he did play a couple of downs against the Giants starters and did ok.
If Rex arrogantly and stubbornly continues to bring the house on 3rd and long, then we’ll continue to get burned.
But if he mixes and matches and drops coverage (a la 2010 playoffs) every now and again, then we’ll be a tough nut to crack.
by Crackback on Sep 6, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point
That was the biggest problem the Jets had last year on Defense. Although a lot might depend on the kind of pressure we can generate with our new guys without the blitz.
by OldJetsFanatic on Sep 6, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen
I hope he does change his tactics a bit, but not drastically like some may want. His creative and unusual blitzes and schemes make him the defensive weapon that he is. He just has to realize that what he did in the playoffs to Brady was a work of art. He has to tweak his tactics, blitz a little less and trust the coverage. But if he can do the same as last year and play one way then switch it up in the playoffs depending on the team we play if we make it, I’m all for that
by JWjetsfan91 on Sep 6, 2011 7:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It will be a great test
But the cowboys line is young fresh and agile. Be prepared for a lot of moving pockets and screens. Dez Miles Witten are very hard to bring down on the first hit. Look for the Cowboys to test your great corners tackling skills. And the LBers better be ready for some Felix and Witten. You all know Witten but what a lot of people don’t realize is Felix was 49/50 catching last year with a 8 ypr BUT 10 YAC. Insane numbers. His yards per touch are among the league best too.
Its our strength(offense) vs your strength(defense) and our weakness(defense) vs your weakness(Offense).
I predict 31- 17 Cowboys, I know I know but JG is going to have this team ready and its typical for Offenses to be ahead of Defenses early in the season.
I might be way off but either way its a nonconference game so as long as its a good showing both teams should be happy
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by John B on Sep 6, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No.
They’re going to reinvent the season and go 22-0. If anyone can lead them there, it’s Tony Romo.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah cause the Meissah Mickey Mouse says so.
And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
"You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, f**k it, I don't care what you think."-Roy McDonald
Really?
Last season at home the Jets gave up 10, to Baltimore, 14 to New England, 9 to Green Bay, 10, to Miami, 20 to the Vikings, 10 to the Bengals and 7 to the Bills. The one game the gave up close to 31 points they won against Houston 30 to 27. Noway your Boys score that many points in Jet-life stadium. As for their weak offense, lets just say your defense needs more than baby Rex to improve on last seasons horrific showing.
31-17 Boys?
LOL….all i can say is someone has drank waaay too much Cowboy Kool-Aid….Rex is gonna bring the house early and often to rattle Romo and that young O-Line, i can see the Jets having this game won by halftime…Final score Jets 27 Cowboys 3
It's gonna be closer than that.
I’d guess 17-10, Jets. Maybe not as close as the score says, but our defense will be fantastic and they won’t give up as easily as they did all last season.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowboy Blue and its delicious
You guys never faced an offense like this.
Best TE
2 top 10 WR
Best pass catching RB
Young Fresh OL
Top 6 QB
All hungry and ready to go under new sheriff in town JG. Felix Dez and Witten can take it to the house anytime. So please feel free to blitz.
Yes our D needs work but double cover holmes, look for the run and shade keller on 3rd down…
Like I said itll be a good game regardless hopefully Buddys illness doesn’t distract the boys too much
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This isnt Madden..
This is the real NFL, im sorry but no one considers Miles Austin or Dez Bryant remotely close to a Top 15 WR list much less Top 10 as you stated…Felix may be a good out of the backfield but he will be catching those passes behind the line because Romo will be rushed to throw early..young freash O Line? you mean slaughterhouse cause thats whats gonna happen, Rex is gonna bring so much heat from the Left that the Boys will be begging for a blitz from the Right…Top 6 QB? i personally dont consider Romo a Top 12 QB…lets get to TE spot, well Witten is decent but a tad overated since every pass out of your QBs hand was likely going towards this guy, im sure he will get lit up and alligator arm a few on Sunday….oh, did i mention Demarcus Ware will be playing most of this game on his ass? well he will be :)
yeah felix is use to catching them behind the line
hence the difference between his yards per reception to yards after the catch.. it means he catches most passes 2yards behing the line of scrimmage and is still very successful
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"hopefully Buddy's illness doesn't distract the boys too much"
Seriously?
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A young fresh OL is not a plus, it's a liability.
Not only are they young, but they haven’t even played together all preseason. And no way Romo is a top 6 QB. Not even top 10.
by OldJetsFanatic on Sep 6, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
wow to you and the guy above
If you can’t admit Romo is atleast a top 10 QB and Austin is a top 10 Wr and Witten is a top 3 TE then you guys are ….. crazy
Nothing left to say really thats just blind hate
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Uhh wait a minute...
You said Romo was the 6th best in the league.
You said Austin AND Bryant were in the top ten WR in the league.
You said Witten was not in the top 3 TE, but the BEST in the league.
You are backpedaling hard my friend.
And it’s not “blind hate,” but the mere truth.
Sunday 9/11/2011, 8:20 EDT
Can't Wait.
Top 10 QB's win playoff games.
They don’t fumble away their teams chances.
Thats not blind hate. Thats perfect evidence staring at you right in the face.
Oh okay
Oh okay.. winning a playoff games means your a good qb? Wow skins are looking scarier afterall with sexy rexy
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LMAO
Hahahaha.
This is getting better and better.
Yes. To be considered a good QB in the NFL I do believe you need to win playoff games. But hey thats just me and just about every other human being on this planet. I have no idea what your saying at this point but I hope you keep going cause I’m really enjoying this.
Because its a team game
You can be good at playing QB and never win.. see Dan Marino
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no I am not saying they are the same player.... are you 12? See what I did there I only used one question mark.
Its a team sport and the QB doesn’t play Defense or Special Teams they are the reasons the Cowboys lost in the playoffs. They would be 0-16 without him.
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QB's don't play special teams?
Man I could really go on about that one but I think I’ll skip it this round. #romofumblessnap
and I really could go on about that one
That snap was just the tip of the iceberg from a horrible gameplan by bill, wr fumbling the ball, a mystery overturn first down, gramatica cant throw a block, the defense couldnt stop a team on its half yard line etc etc.
Oh and Seattle oiled up the ball! Thats why the NFL changed the rule that year
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Hey man. Not cool.
We also didn’t really land on the moon.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This is hysterical
You say it’s a team game but every year your coaches and GM’s stack the offense with some of the best talent in the league and YOUR TOP 10 QB LOOSES WITH THEM EVERY YEAR.
... sigh
defense and special teams are apart of the team too. Oh and the one place they never stocked talent.. you know the important place the offense line.. yeah they had the oldest line last year.. its been showing the past 3 years. They would wear out by decemeber. Now the cowboys have the 3rd youngest. Growing pains? Yes but a lot better than the senile old farts we had last year
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So you go from boasting that the Jets "have never played a team like this one" at first
And you actually use your group of rookie lineman as a reason to make your argument.
But now when you choose to expound on your reasoning you state that thoes upgrades are
“better than the senile old farts we had last year”
Are you starting to get it yet?
Your making things up to make yourself feel better about your team. This isn’t realistic. That is the definition of being a homer. Get it?
An offensive line made up of first year starters isn’t going to go through “growing pains”.They are gonna get their faces kicked in. It’s not a positive. It’s one of the most glaring weaknesses your team has. Period!
trust me it can't be worse than last year.
Slow, injured, dumb guys last year. At the very least these guys will be able to atleast get in the way. The line is an improvement from last year no doubt.
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Anyone who says “trust me” or “believe me,” I immediately question. Sorry, but show us that the line is an improvement if you want to convince us. We’re not going to blindly trust a random person, especially a Romo fan.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
because we had the oldest OL last year
Everyone but Free was ranking in the bottom half of the league. It can’t get worse. Cya monday
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Yes, we're all crazy
And you’re the sane one. You got our number. If you want people to agree with your homerism, perhaps your own site might be a better place. Just sayin’
by OldJetsFanatic on Sep 6, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
no really its not homerism
See watch. Andre Johnson is better than miles Austin. The JETS have a better OL than the Cowboys. Mark Sanchez is better than Stephen McGee
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So anyone who has a different opinion than you is crazy?
Fine, we’re all crazy and Tony Romo is an elite QB surrounded by elite talent and only loses because of bad luck. Got it.
by OldJetsFanatic on Sep 6, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
At least be realistic...
I am a HUGE Jets fan…and i would love to say many similar things, because I too have confidence in my team. But be realistic man. Witten is a very good TE, but not the best in the league. Miles Austin may be a top 15 WR, but Bryant hasn’t earned anywhere close to that yet. Felix Jones the best pass catching back in the league? A solid receiver, but Marshall Faulk he is not. I don’t even know what to say about “young fresh OL.” Fresh has nothing to do with playing Offensive line. It’s about continuity and experience. As for Romo being a top 6 QB, maybe in fantasy football, but to even suggest that he’s in the same category as Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, etc. is just plain ridiculous. It’s ok to have confidence in your team, but at least let it be realistic confidence.
As for the comment about Buddy Ryan’s illness, I don’t even understand why you’d mention that. Poor taste dude.
Sunday 9/11/2011, 8:20 EDT
Can't Wait.
I meant hopefully the two coaches can focus on the game
Idk you guys are as bad as eagle fans.. should of figured it must be a jersey thing
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Actually
I’m a New York transplant and I live in Orlando, FL. Not to mention, last time I checked Philadelphia was in PA, not Jersey.
Sunday 9/11/2011, 8:20 EDT
Can't Wait.
That doesn't even make sense
So the entire east coast is Jersey?
Sunday 9/11/2011, 8:20 EDT
Can't Wait.
I live in PA
Philly is practically jersey seriously. Its nothing like PA and everything like NJ
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ROTFL...
Philly is nothing like Jersey, ROTFL. As a NYer I can tell there’s a huge difference, and my Philadelphia friends would kill you if they heard you say that. Philly is PA, aside from the people of Pittsburg and that bunch outside in the west that should basically live in WV, I think every town form Allentown to Scranton still think they are in the Philly burbs.
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Sounds like a typical Cowboys fan, never even been there, lol
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"You guys never faced an offense like this"
Wow. Thats very a funny statement.
The Jets were shutting down better offenses then yours last year in the playoffs while your team was sitting at home watching them do it.
Get real bud.
I have no idea what universe your living in where having 3 unproven lineman as starters should be thought of as a good thing. It’s situations like that that have QB’s blowing out knee caps. But hey, enjoy your ice cold Kool Aid.
Witten is a top 5 TE. None of your other rankings are even close to realistic. Miles Austin is a top 25 receiver, Dez has shown flashes but to rank him even in the top ten of #2 receivers is a stretch at this point. As for pass catching rbs, he’s no better than the other three pass catching rbs in your own division. It also doesn’t matter how many passes you catch in the backfield if David Harris plants you as soon as you catch it.
Top 6 qb? Please. I’m not as hard as most people are on Romo, but he’s not in the same conversation as the top 5, and he’s not clearly in the next category either.Top ten is even a bit of a stretch. He’s no better than Schaub or Eli. Top 12 is fair, and golly you should see what a Rex Ryan defense does to the other top 11 guys…
Jets 20 – Cowboys 10. Only cowboys td comes on a short pass to Witten that was set up by the only successful screen of the day. Romo is lucky to escape this game without a broken collarbone.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Sep 6, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
wow you guys are nuts
Do you even know miles austin.. you say top 25 is just a joke. wow
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actually not
Austin is from momonth(sp) hes a jersey kid
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Just for fun. Here is a list of receivers who I would rather have on my team than Miles Austin.
Hakeem Nicks
DeSean Jackson
Calvin Johnson
Greg Jennings
Roddy White
Steve Smith
Marques Colston
Larry Fitzgerald
Sidney Rice
Vincent Jackson
Dwayne Bowe
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Mike Wallace
Santonio Holmes
Brandon Marshall
So, I was wrong. Austin is top 20. Top ten? HEEEEELLLL NO.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Sep 6, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
why is that?
You know other than Jackson austin has the most 30yd + TDs. Hes built like a RB in a WR body. He can do it all. Just curious.. his stats are better than over half those guys and he did that with a #2qb half the year last year
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Actually, if I remember Austin’s season last year correctly, he didn’t even look like he should be a #2 receiver in the league for most of the games that Romo missed. Pretty sure his numbers declined massively without Romo under center.
I believe that Romo and Austin benefit from the sort of uncommon chemistry that makes the occasional qb/wr pair seem better than they actually are. The two of them play very well together, which btw is why I am of the opinion that Revis needs to cover Austin and not Bryant in this game as some other Jets fans have suggested.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Sep 6, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
according to stats Brandon Llyod is the best WR in the league
Stats are for losers
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
Miles ranked in the low 20's in TD's and YPG last year.
Sione is a whole lot closer than you are.Thats the honest truth.
with his #2 qb..
Look at the stats for the past 2 years(since hes been starting) and hell be in the top. After this year there is no doubt hell be top 5-10
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Actually, I just did check.
Did you know that Austin amassed more than half of his yardage last season with Romo under center over the first five and a half games of the season?
His numbers in the first six games, with Romo- 36 receptions/ 524 yards/ 2tds
His numbers over the last ten games- 33 receptions / 517 yards / 5 tds
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Sep 6, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And it is also worth noting, this decline was not due to a lack of production by the ’boys. They were actually pretty efficient for the rest of the year, at least offensively.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Sep 6, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
14yds a catch isn't good is that what your trying to say?
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Cowboys fans do a whole lot of assuming.
Funny how that all works. There isn’t a damn thing you can point to that says your QB will ever win when it counts and there isn’t a single stat on this planet that says Miles Austin IS a top 5-10 WR. Your just assuming it will happen sooner or later despite it ever happening in the past.
Your lost in fantasy stats that still had your team watching the playoffs from the pine. You can’t make an argument on assumptions and when you try you define yourself as a Kool aid sipping fan boy.
Talk to me when all this stuff actually happens in the real world and not inside your brain.
Miles Austin had a good year last year but just going by stats alone. Here is his rankings.
15th best in yards
20th in Receptions
20th in yds/gm
17th in Average yards per catch
Tied for 17th in TDs
So without having any stats within in the top 10 and only making top 15 in one category, how do you rank him as a top 10 receiver?
no.. that was last year.. its amazing he even put those numbers up with the way things went last year
I understand you guys in the AFC.. youll know who Miles Austin is come SNF
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If Revis, after taking down Andre, Calvin, Vincent Jackson, Reggie Wayne, Ochocinco, and numerous other #1s, falters to Miles Austin of all people, I’ll eat my hat.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
I will tattoo a Cowboy star on my butt if Austin posts more than 50 yards while Revis is on him
According to the most reliable stats (PFF)
Neither Miles Austin or Dez Bryant was top 10 last year.
Felix Jones wasn’t close to being the best pass catching RB
Young/Fresh? If experience teaches us anything it is that O-Linemen struggle early in careers.
Romo has never been a top 6 QB.
I don't like PFF
But either its what they will be this year based on how they have performed before.
Itll be a good litmus test for both teams strengths.
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I wouldn't either if they kept proving my unfounded boasting wrong.
Like them or not, PFF are more reliable than NFL’s own stats. They take way more factors into account.
True. But is PFF better than thebigham's misinformed guessing? Hohooo thats where you loose.
Ham’s boasting>PFF all day baby
Sarcasm fonts are no fun.
Leveling people and seeing them lose it? Now THAT’s fun!
im going to name players
Vernon Davis is better than Witten.
WR: Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Larry Fitz, Greg Jennings, Calvin Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Hakeem Nicks, Desean Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon LLoyd, Santonio Holmes, Marques Colston. Not in any order. All better than Dez right now. Austin can fit in @ the bottom end.
8 RB’s had more receptions and 10 had more yards. Honestly the best recieving RB is LeSean McCoy then Ray Rice, then Arian Foster, then maybe MAYBE Jones
QB: Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben, Matt Schuab, Matt Ryan…all better than Romo. I say it not because of hate, but when i look at these guy’s i say who would i rather have. These are the guys id rather have for this season.
And O-line needs more than youth and more than experience. It needs an infusion of both. You just have youth and a big lack of experience.
You are a Homer plain and simple. If you admit you were wrong on a topic it doesn’t mean you’re dumb. You just made a mistake. You are off base with your “rankings” so just admit it.
Are your players on offense nice? Yes.
Does that mean you will blow us out? No.
Why is that? Because paper allstars don’t win games. Ask the Chargers from last year.
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
Yea we haven't faced any good offenses in two season
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The Cowboys are far better than the Patriots, Packers, Saints, and Colts, bro.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
31-17 boys!?
yeah keep dreaming….
If it doesn't matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score?
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Sep 6, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT?!?
A Rex Ryan D giving up 31 at home on the special day that it will be on 9/11? Smoke something?? It will be a good game, I just hope we don’t start off flat like we did against Baltimore last year. We lost the bragging rights for our coach in that one, but I don’t think we will lose the chance this time. 27-10 Jets
by JWjetsfan91 on Sep 6, 2011 7:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup!
We have a Ryan now too. And JG is a great offense mind so you know hes picking RR brain on everything defense.
Its a special day for America, it might be different if NY didn’t have two football teams and the stadium was actually in NY. I can’t imagine only the JETS feeling emotional about the tribute. And our headcoach was actually living in NYC and was there the day of. So he should be able to convey the importance to the dallas natives.
Itll be a fun game, I couldn’t handle starting the season out against the rival, so win lose or draw as long as its a good game itll be improvement from last years mess
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Yes I'm sure your offense will be well versed in defeating great defenses like the 2009 Browns
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Just stop, man. Seriously, put an end to this. You can’t seriously argue that the 9/11 doesn’t mean as much to the Jets because the Giants are stealing some of their emotions.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont See It
To say that we are going to pull some blitz schemes that they have never seen I just dont see it. They watch film and they do go against Rob Ryan’s D every day in practice so I dont think what we are goin to pull out are going to leave them as lost as you imagine
Watching film and going against it live are two different things and going against it in practice is not with full intensity
there will be some turnstyles on that line come Sunday night.
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Folk: 1-2 fg’s
Sanchize: 250+yds, 3td’s 1int
and they do go against Rob Ryan’s D every day in practice
Thats the problem. They go against their own D every day, not the Jets D every day. You may be able to dial up some good schemes but without the players its just not the same!
no better practice then going against the leagues premier pass rusher every day.. am i right
BeWARE of DWare!
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we're not worried if he stays on the left side
D-Brick is a beast, don’t believe me? Ask Freenly, Peppers, James Harrison twice. He didn’t allow a sack to any of these guys. The right side is a different story. I have faith the coaching staff will develop a plan for Mr. premier pass rusher.
No I get that.. It was more to the comment that we aren't practicing against good players
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Ropati, wilkerson, devito, pouha, ellis will feast on this o-line
I hope dallas doesn’t plan on running the ball. I think we will dominate. We need to, cause nobody will take us seriously. Look at last years opener.
by jets4life24 on Sep 6, 2011 5:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Look we are saying how our D will surprise them
BUT did you forget that they practice against ROB’s D? His D is similar and very creative. Do we have an advantage over them? of coarse, but Wilkerson won’t be throwing them around as if he were SUH.
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
do u guys think dallas will cut a pro bowl center and guard if they did not have better?
Jets online has flaws that ducasee kid got his ass bench last year, then u guys got RT problems?
How can the kettle call the pot black?
Your dline has holes too.. but one thing about Dallas D is the fact we have LB’s that can bring heat… Can yours? Bring in the secondary and Dallas will make u guys pay ..
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 8:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We can all agree Ducasse sucks right now...
the thing is he’s a back up.
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by Judgegavel on Sep 6, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh and please tell me where our D-line has holes?
it may be young but its probably the deepest 3-4 D-Line in football
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just like dallas oline..
It’s young but film study show those boys are ready to ball..
U guys may have lock down corners but I bet Revis and Cromartie can’t cover for long periods of time..
If u guys can bring pressure from your front 5 u guys are fu&&.. and u guys kno it..
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 9:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wanna watch a pair of corners cover for a long time?
Watch Pats Jets from the playoffs last year.
The best QB in the league had time to pick his shots and did nothing but look foolish. And Tony Romo is gonna do better? Right. Your on a roll bud. Keep going.
Oh and there is nothing to compare between the Jets d line and the dallas O-line. Yours is made up of ROOKIES. Ours is made up of proven players in all but one spot.
Get real.
O-lineman protect the franchise player and thats your major problem. D-lineman don’t have anything near that responsibility.
+1
The d-line at least has LBs and DBs behind it to cover the slack. The o-line has Felix Jones, here to save the day with a chip block.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
u lost veteran dline.. one went to the pats and one retire.
Plus u guys are going to insert a rookie de? Will kendrick Ellis suite up?
U guys defense really don’t excite me..only your secondary..
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Our 3rd ranked defense dosn't excite you but clearly your rookie O-line gets you all jacked up.
Thats about all that needs to be said.
Hows life with your head in the sand? Is it kinda sandy?
Oh yeah that. The one that retired didn't play all but a qtr last yr and the other was a ghost in all but three games
go troll somwhere else. Or do some research before u try nd sound smart.
Wow
And I thought it couldn’t get any better than bigham.
You have 3 first year starters on your offensive line all of which are UNPROVEN. You have got to be kidding.
Ducasse is a backup who has PROVEN more ability than 3 of your starting lineman.
That might be the worst attempt at making a point by a cowboys fan tonight.
u didnt hear the facts why jj release gurode?
Our undrafted center out played him ..
I mean watch our preseason games.. Romo had clean pockets.. now will that translate to the Sunday we will see..
Your a jet I can tell u guys are just as cocky as Rex..
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you just cite preseason play as a valid point on what to expect out of your o-line?
Im not cocky. Im stating facts. Clear points that your teams coaches are game planing for as we speak. Your O-line is a liability.Our D-line is one of the teams PROVEN strengths. I can’t see one area when you could possibly compare the two. Your fooling yourself.
Btw. The word cocky means to be overly confident.
If I didn’t know any better I’d say you were being unrealistically “cocky” about your O-line.
well if u break it down like that yep..
But when u refer to preseason play I’ve seen this oline pick up blitzes that the former oline could not.
Dallas oline may not be ultra elite but I’m telling you its way better than last year..
That’s a ++++..
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 9:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Again
Your trying to tell me why a part of your team is better than last year based only on preseason play. The unit has not played one single regular season snap and is filled with rookies and your positive of the outcome?
When I put it to you that way do you realize how odd that sounds?
It’s one thing to pass off that kind of nonsense to your fellow Cowboys fans but you didn’t really think anyone would buy that here, did you?
i wonder how 2nd round pick is still warming up the bench for the starters..
We drafted 7th round picks that are starting this year tell mike.t to get his game up..
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 9:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man it just keeps getting better.
A 2nd rounder is sitting on our team bc the guys who play ahead of him are that much better.
Here’s a hint. Thats actually a good thing. It’s called excellent DEPTH.
Your team is starting 7th rounders bc IT HAS TO.
How is starting a 7th rounder something to brag about?
Listen to yourself!
Im serious keep going. Please keep going.
Btw Im assuming your talking about Kendrick Ellis. He was drafted in the 3rd not the second. Just thought I would correct your information.
actually i was talking about Ducasee on your oline..
Or is he starting? Bc that kid was hot trash….
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 9:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's not starting. He's a backup
He looks to be getting a few reg season snaps here and there and showed some flashes the past few weeks. He’s far from “hot trash”. I’m not about to pump him up like your doing with your players though. He has to prove it when it counts. Just like your guys do.
Thats what I call realistic expectations.
2nd round picks should contribute not ride the bench..but i guess that is how it is in cowboy camp
Ducasee is trash..Dallas got a guard that they drafted in the 4th round this year that show more “flash” than Ducassee..
So off topic.. your defense sole pressure comes from the dline? If so you guys will have a long day if your lbs can’t create pressure..
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 10:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The d line has nothing to do with pressure on this team.
At the moment Pace is the only player able to rush and with consistancy from the line. He’s healthy this year and the team expects big things.
But to answer your question. The Jets apply pressure from the over load blitz package.
Your gonna see plenty of it from Rob Im sure he did it with the browns.
It’s preety well know how hard the Jets blitz plays are to block. So when a jet fan looks at a cowboys fan sidways when he says their young o-line will fare well this weekend know you know why.
The hardest thing for young o-lineman to do is pick up the overload blitz on 3rd down. It’s a high pressure situation that needs to be met with a veterans mentality and intellegence in order to be beat. Saddly for the Cowboys the Jets will match this strength against the Cowboys weakness and most likely succeed on many instances. It has to be expected. It’s what the Jets are proven to be great at.
blitz for pressure so you can create pressure from your front 5?
Yea u guys are fu##..
Dallas is turning into a heavy screen team.. now we have athlete oline that can pull, trap, and get down field with little ease..
Dallas is no longer a heavy push players off the line type of team,their too slow. That’s y Dallas drafted tyron smith.
If u think blitzing from the secondary or barrell blitzes is going to do try better.
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See this is where I give up.
The jets did what they do to the best teams in the league including a better screen team (the Pats) than the Cowboys could ever hope to be. What this team does has lead them to being ranked in the top 3 defenses in the league for the last 2 years.
Don’t act like the jets are going to see a screen pass for the first time this weekend. I was going to try to tone down the hostility but your just making it too hard. You have got to be kidding. You can’t possibly think your Cowboys are gonna show this team anything they haven’t seen and stomped out before.
It’s your team that has to prove it can get it done with rookie lineman.
All my team has to do to beat yours is keep up with the status quo.
Again do some more research
he’s good at right guard. He been in three different positions ove the past yr none of which the same position he played when we drafted him. He only sucks at right tackle but can hold up well on the inside. This is like saying hey romo miles is hurt go play wide out and expect even decent results. This he has proven. Unlike ur guys. Preseason means nothing.
so u guys are trying to turn a guard into a tackle?
That’s like making an elephant dance.. I thought Rex blew his hat at Ducassee last year.. he was getting beat his ass like a drum. I swore they had a marching band behind this guy.
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't have to believe anything we say
In fact I wouldn’t expect you to.
But Ducasse has proven himself a very capable back-up and possible starter since Hard-knocks.
but im not saying my guys are proven..
Just the fact this new oline play has been better than years past..but hey its preseason tho so I get the unproven statements..
I guess Sunday well tell all. I’m tired of blogging here I’m bout to see what else is going on here at sb nation
by lostar2009 on Sep 6, 2011 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So to summarize the trollers...
We’re going to get a bunch of looks that we haven’t seen before.
Tony Romo is better than Johnny Unitas.
Our defense is horrible.
The fact that it’s the 10th anniversary of 9/11 means just as much to the cowboys as it does to us, because the stadiums not in NY.
Anything else I missed?
I guess we should just not even show up for the game Sunday night.
Sunday 9/11/2011, 8:20 EDT
Can't Wait.
You forgot the biggest one
Having 3 rookie lineman starting on your offense isn’t a liability. It’s actually a good thing. And Preseason snaps are plenty of evidence to prove that.
Also, Roswell really does exist.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 6, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, how could i forget.
Using this ideology, we should immediately bench Mangold and D’brick, blindly pick out 3 undrafted FA rookies from a list, and insert them into the lineup.
Sunday 9/11/2011, 8:20 EDT
Can't Wait.
do not forget the fact the jets have some of the best safties in the league!!!!!!
Go jets!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or was that Felix busting through your guys secondary for 50 yards?
Yep it was the Felix.. my bad
by lostar2009 on Sep 7, 2011 9:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if you followed the Jets you would know that our safeties are not good in coverage…their main attribute is in run defense; so your jab at the safeties just failed because Felix is running the ball, not catching it.
And you have absolutely no room to talk about poor safeties haha
screen game babe.. but im sure Dallas is gonna run it down your thoats too.
by lostar2009 on Sep 7, 2011 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
- run defense.
BUT WE HAVE SUCH A GOOD RUN GAME WITH JONES WHO IS FAST AND CAN CATCH A SCREEN PASS
When was the screen pass invented? By the Cowboys two days ago? Are we unable to watch film on how the Cowboys throw a screen pass? Is this the new wishbone, the new spread, the new 4-3 defense? Has Rex Ryan been sent to the insane asylum and doesn’t know how to cover anything anymore? If screen passes are so effective against us with the threat of a run game, then why didn’t the Patriots win in the playoffs at their own stadium with a 1000 yard 10 TD running back and one of the most experienced, athletic lines in the league and a very effective screen pass?
You may be wondering how I love Alabama AND I love the Jets... I'll just tell you that the answer is complicated and will take too long to explain.
at least our safties can cover..
If u want to beat up on Allan ball I don’t care he deserves it..
Our worst saftey is better than your starters ..
Then u guys grab sendjo ? Wtf???!!!!
What he gona do? He barley Hung on to a practice squad here in Dallas near the end of preseason..
So Gud luck guarding our down field threats bc I pray Revise can cover the whole entire back field bc u guys are gonna get bomb hard ..
Yea I said it.. we gonna nuclear on u guys..
Who do u want Revis to take out miles or Dez?
Then u gotta double the next guy.. that still leaves witten , Felix,demarco, our any slot wr to go down field..
out your own mouths yo said your safties can’t cover, so I guess if we go play action and the safties bite…
Sad sad sad…
by lostar2009 on Sep 7, 2011 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
1. We never said our safeties were the best in the league; in fact just last week we were discussing how to cover up that weakness.
2. Your worst safety is terrible. That’s why he’s the worst safety. I’d much prefer to have eyes and a brain straight from Rex Ryan telling my defense what is going on in Leonhard and then a person who shatters helmets in Smith. And one who shatters helmets AND runs fast in Pool.
3. Is Sendjo going to start or something? Will he play? Is he going to be Ed Reed less than a week after changing cities? No. Does he have potential? Yes. Is that what we’re looking for? Yes.
4. Ever heard of Antonio Cromartie? Right, that guy… Oh yeah, he’s the most athletic corner in the league. Oh, and that Kyle Wilson kid… Isn’t he the one that was supposed to be top 10? Wasn’t everyone gushing over him? Oh well, he must be worse than last year’s old Cowboys o-line.
5. You have your 4th and 5th string corners covering Derrick Mason (possibly the most consistent WR in the league) and Plaxico Burress. Double Tone, and your leaving your worst CBs against them. And Keller, who is faster than Witten, with… who? And a RB with… who?
Try re-reading your stuff before you post such blatantly delusional comments. Seriously.
You may be wondering how I love Alabama AND I love the Jets... I'll just tell you that the answer is complicated and will take too long to explain.
did u actually try to defend senjo?.. hot trash bro let him be.
And didn’t brandon Marshall hurt this guy feeling a few years back?
I kno about cromartie I’m glad Dallas didn’t draft him. He only ball out for a new contract..other than that he’s respectable corner with some big play ability but no where a shell of his self when he was a charger.
Kyle Wilson ? Another hot trash alert!!!!
Guy can’t even break your starting cb rotation..for a former first round pick that’s bad..
I kno man ..I kno..
by lostar2009 on Sep 7, 2011 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So because an excellent CB in Wilson can’t be better than one of the two best starting CB tandems in the league, he’s trash. Yet when mediocre offensive linemen are better than worse offensive lineman, they must be amazing.
Do you think Senjo will actually make an impact on this game? Let’s not forget, many of the players in the NFL are actually undrafted. Saying Senjo is trash is premature, if he fails to make it in two years I will accept it. Developing players need time. That’s not to say he’s worth a roster spot over Lowery, but that’s irrelevant at this point.
Again… A 4th round pick is a starter, and that’s a good thing. Isn’t he a 4th round pick for a reason? A 1st round pick is depth, and that’s a good thing. Isn’t he a 1st round pick for a reason? My goodness, does that not make any sense at all?
C’mon man.
You may be wondering how I love Alabama AND I love the Jets... I'll just tell you that the answer is complicated and will take too long to explain.
P.S. Wilson has had one year. That’s a developmental year. Was he Revis? No. But was Revis Revis in his first year? Not exactly, he was still mortal for his start.
Now, why is Mike Jenkins NOT “hot trash”? Isn’t he in his third year coming off a pro bowl year? Did he not stink up the world last year, and wasn’t he picked on all the time? And isn’t your 3rd and 4th and 5th CBs WORSE than him? And aren’t they charged with the task of trying to cover Santonio Holmes (fast, shifty, great route-runner) and Plaxico Burress (tall, excellent Red Zone threat) AND Derrick Mason (shifty, great hands, great route-runner)? But of course, we don’t have a chance because we have DEPTH at CB, where a 1st round pick in his 2nd year can’t break the people ahead of him because they are amazing, because he must be “hot trash” despite the fact that he is still a developing, excellent corner; despite the fact that he is charged with covering a slot receiver who will “nuclear” our secondary; despite the fact that that slot receiver has nowhere near the talent of Wilson. Oh no, we must fear the screen pass and the slot receiver! We cannot cover them with a “hot trash” first round pick and an excellent defense!
You may be wondering how I love Alabama AND I love the Jets... I'll just tell you that the answer is complicated and will take too long to explain.
well mike jenkins had a solid first year..
A probowl second year..
And yea he regress his 3rd year but "mainly " bc they tried to give him his own island without safety help..
But yea the free safety we had last year was thermal hot trash..but now we got Elam a more solid proven vet back there.. so expect things to change..
O yea our so call “hot trash” cb Jenkins took a starting job his second year a went to the probowl .
Until Wilson goes to the probowl he is irrelevant to me..and he will be view as trash..
Tell Wilson to get his game up..
by lostar2009 on Sep 7, 2011 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s what I said. Wasn’t Jenkins coming off a pro bowl year? And didn’t he stink up the place?
And arent Cromartie and Wilson on islands as well? Because that’s kind of slightly how our defense plays, with little safety help…
“Hot trash” are your words, not mine. And I already said that he did make the pro bowl.
P.S. Didn’t David Garrard make the probowl? How’s that turned out?
You may be wondering how I love Alabama AND I love the Jets... I'll just tell you that the answer is complicated and will take too long to explain.
by bamajets88 on Sep 7, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Garrard scks..
but i think the jaguar coaches and scouting department suck even more..
How can they pass on Mallet? It seem as everyone they trade up for in the first round does not stick..
But yea Cromarite is an above average corner but i dont think he can survive on his own island for long.. he is no Revis..
I think dallas can get him,…
Oh, and Elam was expendable from us. I believe that who we have now is a good deal better than him.
You may be wondering how I love Alabama AND I love the Jets... I'll just tell you that the answer is complicated and will take too long to explain.
by bamajets88 on Sep 7, 2011 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cmon... 9/11 means a lot to everyone
Everyone was effected by it, our very own HC was actually in the city when it happened, thats more than most JETS can say. Not that it matters but everyone will be emotional.
Your secondary is great but wheres the elite rusher? Dallas has faced such rush defenses as the giants eagles and skins (osi/tuck, cole, orakpo) every year your new DL is not intimidating.
Tony Romo is better than Sanchez that will be enough to win this game.
And you will see a lot of stuff you never saw before like I said the Cowboys offense is made to beat aggressive defenses. By the end of the the game you will have wished you picked up dez austin felix and witten in your fantasy league.
No need to be nasty about, atleast football is back!
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
I HATE the Cowboys!!!
As much as I detest Belicheat and Patsies, despise the Dolphins for their arrogance under Shula and Marino, and intensely dislike the Raiders because of Al Davis, their dirty play back in the days when they were the Jets’ nemesis, I hate the Cowboys most of all for a number of reasons. They have to be the luckiest team of all time. When Tom Landry was HC, even as great as he was, they would pull more games out of their ass with Hail Mary passes by crappy QBs than all the other teams combined. In addition, the first team I rooted for was the Packers and the Cowboys were their arch-enemies. I still remember the Ice Bowl. Then later I liked the Niners and Steelers in addition to the Jets and Packers and remember all those SBs and playoff games with the ‘Boys. Then let’s not forget Jerry Jones.
I’d be quite happy if the Cowboys never won another game. As far as I’m concerned the only good thing ever about the Cowboys has been their cheerleaders and those skimpy little uniforms they wear, especially those tight shorts. LOL
"Reality is purely the perception of the individual mind. It follows, that since no two minds are alike, no two perceptions of reality are alike. It further follows, that what reality is to one, may seem complete madness to someone else."
– Yefim Novikov
so you liked the..
packers in the 60s when they were winning
then switched to the steelers in the 70s when they were winning
then you switched to the niners when they were winning
you were okay in the 90s because all 3 above were winning
now you also like the jets because… feet?
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Agreed.
I liked the Cowboys with Landry… Nice, honest, truly America’s team. Then came the hookers, bandwagoners, loudmouths, idiots, blindly faithful people, Leon Lett, and Jerryworld. Now what are the Cowboys? A formerly excellent but dysfunctional organization who makes the playoffs every year. And loses.
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