Players on the Brink
There are a few players I have my eye on who have had strong preseasons and could potentially lock away a roster spot tonight with a strong outing like Danny Woodhead did in 2009 (at least for that day before he was cut to the practice squad).
Dan DePalma: He is contributing at the most important spot for a guy near the end of the roster, special teams.
Jarron Gilbert: He has impressed me with his play on the line with the backups, and most importantly, he blocked a field goal in his last game.
Patrick Turner: It is tough for a guy who does not contribute a ton on special teams to make it at the back of the roster, particularly one already in his third year not expected to contribute on offense. If Turner can do enough to convince the Jets they can turn his frame into something really good, he might stand a chance.
Garrett McIntyre: He has been all over the field in preseason. Every time you look up, he is making a play.
Nick Bellore: He had a big game against the Giants.
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Im kinda thinkin, "Screw the WRs."
Load up with LBs and DLs. Keep G-Mac, Maybin, Bellore and Gilbert. And lets just roll with Holmes, Burress, Mason and Kerley. We have plenty of depth with just those four. Plus, Keller and Cumberland are basically big wide outs anyway. And Joe Mac can play some slot WR if we’re really in a pinch.
I’d really like to have a defense littered with playmakers and depth at every level from DL to DB. And if guys like McInyre and Westerman and Maybin really step up, along with Bellore, then we can cut a lot of dead weight next year on the defensive side and reload on offense.
I’d like to keep those LBs and DLs around and try to get them reps as much as possible. They can not only keep the defense fresh and energized all season, but it can really help set the table for the future if we can develop them.
I agree with you
but I really like Turner’s size….I know he’s been developed for a farily good amount of time now, but can we keep him on practice squad, or is he ineligible?
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by CharlieIsles on Sep 1, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been on three Practice Squads I think that's the limit.
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yea he is not eligible
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/8/30/2384288/nfl-practice-squad-salary-rules-eligibility-rosters
there are the rules for practice squad guys
by flixenuz on Sep 1, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks flix, Noble
Maybe he’s reached his limit as far as teachability……but damn, the size is so hard to let go of….
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I Basically Agree
I like all 4 of the young D players you mention and would hate to lose any of them at this point, although Maybin may never develop. I do like his speed however, and that’s something the Jets don’t have much of in the front 7. My only exception to that would be your comment about 4 WRs being enough. It really isn’t, imo, even with Keller and Cumberland, especially when you consider the ages of Plax and Mason, and Plax’s being somewhat injury prone. If Plax or Mason gets injured then Kerley has to step up. At that point, you don’t want him returning punts or kicks. I’ve been unimpressed with Joe McKnight as a returner. Dan DePalma has shown a lot more as a STs player and returner. If he has a good game tonight, then I’d like to see him stick on the roster.
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De Palma is basically a zero to me.
With Kerley, Leonard, Wilson and McKnight on the roster, he’s never going to return anything on this team. And his tackling ability on specials isn’t enough, imo, to let go of a guy like Bellore (or any of those defensive guys really).
I Totally Disagree
DePalma has been a very good gunner on STs. Leonard? Are you serious? He has no speed, quickness or escapability. Neither Wilson nor McKnight has shown anything as a PR. Zip. Nada. Zilch. DePalma has showed more in 3 preseason games than those guys have in over a year.
The Jets may not keep DePalma. They may sign another team’s castoff WR, but I can all but guarantee you that they won’t go with just 4 WRs. That would not be smart. IMO keeping a 5th WR doesn’t mean that the Jets won’t be able to keep all 4 of the young D players that we both like. It just means that they’ll have to keep one less OL or one less CB (5 instead of 6) or S (4 instead of 5). IMO neither Lankster, Posey nor Cook (the most likely DBs to earn a roster spot) have shown enough to merit a spot on the roster.
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i agree with joe
DePalma is a valuble ST’s piece. as we saw last year with the chargers and giants, special teams is a very important part of the game.
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Your correct , 4 receivers are not enough
I certainly wouldn’t be shocked if the Jets had 4 WR ’s on their roster Sunday night. I believe that Logan Payne will be on PUP/reserve and only be available after six weeks. The fifth receiver is not on the roster, IMO it will be a special teams guy that could develop as a receiver
I have to agree
It’s pretty sound logic all the way around and reflects not only current but also future needs. Good argument.
by OldJetsFanatic on Sep 1, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea it's not like we ever use our #4 WR on offense (at least as a WR)...
but it’s really more who we need on ST, and unfortunately DL’s are usually of little use (after the initial spots are filled). We may not need the extra WR, but you need to fill those sport with DBs or at least fast LBs.
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Also with regards to WR...
if someone does go down, it’s pretty easy to find a Patrick Turner type on someones practice squad.
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Turner Deserves Some Consideration
but mostly due to his potential and size rather than actual production. His hands and toughness are suspect. He doesn’t play STs. I think the young D guys and DePalma have shown more. If they’re thinking towards the future, with Plax and Mason being probably one year rentals, then Turner again merits some consideration, but I think they will probably need to draft a WR or two next season anyway. IMO, he just hasnt shown that much.
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yea he really hasnt impressed that much. ive counted 2 dropped td catches by him that were both catchable. but i think we do need to keep a 5th receiver, if nothing else just a security blanket. mason and plax are on 1 year deals if they book it, we only have 2 wr for next year.
by flixenuz on Sep 1, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We still have Holmes and Keller, which is about as good a 1-2 punch as there is. Kerley will be ready to man the slot full time next year. Conceivably, all we’d need is a number 2 next year, and thats probably the easiest position to fill these days.
Id much rather go the FA route next year and bring in a legit 2, or draft a stud in round 1, or maybe even keep Plax around for one more round if he does well this season.
crack, im kind of surprised
you don’t strike me as the kind of guy who would want a WR drafted in the 1st round…..IMO I don’t think it’s worth it. It’s almost like drafting a RB in the 1st; you are more likely to find better value in the 3rd-5th rounds. I would rather us take an OLB…..Or we ignore the outside rush for one round to draft ILB menace Vontaze Burfict…. That is what Rex Ryan dreams about. Imagine David Harris and Burfict in the middle of the field. You can’t and won’t want to run if we were to have those two in the middle.
Speaking of Burfict, Crack didn’t you do a post on him? I love the guy for next years draft if he decides to declare..Hisplaying style makes me think that he would be the NYJ version of a Terrell Suggs in a Rex Ryan offense (except an ILB)
i agree 100%
i think olb should be the first pick this year unless westerman becomes the next dwight freeney…
we need to draft a big physical wr
by flixenuz on Sep 1, 2011 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree we need a olb
but as i’ve said before, if rex thought we needed one, we would have got one already. if rex realy wanted another OLB, he has had 3 drafts and 3 offseasons to adress it already. he has made no long term move in the last 3 years, why will he get one next year? is 4th time the charm or something?
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If McIntyre, Westerman, and/or Maybin develop, then there is no need for an OLB. And I love Burfect, but if Bellore steps up, why waste the pick when you can grab a stud WR in the first round? Alshon Jeffrey, Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, etc all can’t go in the top 10. And each one of those guys has enough talent to be an All Pro.
Justin Blackmon
I just saw him on ESPN Sports Science. If you get the chance, check it out. He’s amazing. He caught everything, most one handed. I’d love to see the Jets land him.
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exactly
he hasn’t impressed me much either, it’s just seems to me that we need more then one guy over 5"11 (plax), and for now, until the draft anyway, me might as well try to develop him
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Patrick Turner is a must-keep for me this year. You can’t teach size. All of his other problems are fixable. Some other team will pick him up if the Jets don’t and with the two geriatrics at wr who are already starting to feel the sting of the injury bug, that position is one tweaked joint away from a huge disaster waiting to happen.
Turner has had three years to do something. Anything.
And he has continually failed.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 1, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This may just be my perception, but he’s looked better this preseason than he has in the past. Those two easy drops aside, of course.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Sep 1, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s had a couple catches, I’ll give you that. But yeah, he’s also had those drops. I just think almost any WR that can also contribute to special teams would be an improvement.
Just tryna make bank, bro.
by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 1, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally Agree
If he hadn’t shown any improvement in 3 years, then he’d be a a complete bust, like Gholston, the only difference being that Turner wasn’t a high first round pick. You may not be able to teach size, but some guys just don’t have good hands. Turner seems to be one of those guys. For all his size, I don’t think he was a dominant WR while at USC, and certainly hasn’t shown anything in the NFL. I understand that some players are late bloomers, but Turner’s window of opportunity is closing. If he had made some great, circus-type catches in games, then that would help mitigate the two dropped TD passes, but he hasn’t. People are killing Michael Campbell and saying he doesn’t even deserve to be on the PS for dropping the one TD pass. Well, Turner has had 3 years, and dropped 2. IMO he will be no loss.
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There’s a thousand Patrick Turners out there. We can pick up a guy off the scrap heap in mid-Sept to give us what we get out of Turner.
if there are a thousand guys who 6"5
then i suggest we get one of them now!
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When has our #5 WR ever even sniffed the ball...
thats not Shottys scheme. Turner would only get on the fired if there was an injury. They would be better off with a player that contributes on ST.
As for size, we have Plax and Cumberland.
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well
i’m looking at wr position. keller has nice size at 6’2 also
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Maybin's done
He has no shot of making this team. McIntrye should be a lock to make the team. I think Bellore will make it as well. Gillbert, I like, but he may get the short end of the stick.
If we didn't play another game, yes...
I think they all get one more shot to make or break it, even Maybin.
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Funny Thing
According to Rex, he DOES have a shot at making the team. Have you been promoted and given more authority than Rex?
I don’t mean to pick on you, but for the life of me, I don’t understand why Jets fans make these ridiculous absolutist-type statements when they have absolutely no clue what they’re talking about. None of us have seen all the practices, don’t know what Rex and Pettine are looking for in Maybin or in their backup OLBs, who they might be considering on another team, how many of the young players they like, etc.
It’s one thing to say, “IMO, I don’t think he has a shot to make the team.” It’s quite another to say,
He has no shot of making this team.
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Agreed. The predictions will be a lot more accurate after tonight.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 1, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Rex said he had a lot more to do to make the team...
It’s not ridiculous, it’s a solid chance of happening. I’m sorry you think what I posted was fact, everything I post is obviously opinion. I just happen to have the opinion that Maybin doesn’t have a chance to make the team. I really don’t feel like I have to say IMO…obviously it’s an opinion. If you think my statement was ridiculous than I wonder what you think of the people who think he’s a “5-8 sack guy”.
Last year, Chauncey Washington had no shot to make the team. Then he forced a fumble on a kickoff return, and as Rex said, “You take a guy that has no shot, and you give him a chance, and he damn near forces his way onto the team.” Obviously Washington didn’t make the team, but that was more of a numbers game anyway. The point is, until he’s out, he’s got a shot.
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by bobdolethesnapplelady on Sep 1, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He did make it at first I think...
but then there were the subsequent second cuts, when we signed a couple others from other teams cuts.
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um
have you listend to rex at all this offseason? the way rex has talked about him, you’d think he’s starting…
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That was at first...
the last press conference he specifically said Maybin needs to do more to make the team.
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I Wonder if 1.5 Sacks
qualifies with Rex as “more.” LOL
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I still think he's not making it...IMO
If he does I’m assuming McIntyre will be ahead of him.
They both jumped Wetserman, IMO.
Did Westerman sniff the QB this pre-season. Guy was way to quiet to be the DPR. Maybin and McIntyre have been wreaking havoc for multiple games now. They showed some real flashes. Westerman was kinda… blah.
I agree, unfortunately they will probably ride him out one more season...
I think Westerman needs to go, but I think they have to much time and hype invested at this point.
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I think McIntyre is the odd man out...
he’s a journeyman with a very low ceiling, I think Bellore showed a bit more and he’s three years younger with a much higher ceiling. If Maybin makes it I’m pretty sure McIntyre doesn’t. For that to work though they would need to feel confident Mauga, and/or Bellore can also play outside, in case of injury, because Maybin and Westerman are not complete LBs.
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I agree with Judge...
Westerman hasnt stepped up or showed much for that matter and he’s playing backups…
Joe McKnight is another that should be cut, he just doesnt have it.
Disagree about McKnight...
I wished they would stop using him between the tackles, but I think he’s looked much better this year, and will be a very good back up/3rd down back in the NFL, he’s certainly the perfect back up for LT this year, he is a very good receiver out of the back field.
Powell concerned me more, that slow first step will be hard to over come in the NFL, I just don’t see him being a productive NFL player, at least with what I’ve seen so far.
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