State of the Jets Offense: For Better or Worse?
QUARTERBACK - Mark Sanchez will have another year under his belt. He has the confidence of his coaches and teammates. He is playoff tested. His stats last year were average but can only go up with more consistency. There is no reason to believe he won't improve. Mark Brunell returns as primary backup and player coach; he is one year older but has one more year in the system. The multiple backups have been cast away and the new 3rd stringer is 7th round pick Greg McElroy. McElroy may be nothing... but may be something though not this year. Brad Smith has joined Buffalo and so we may see the end of the Wildcat. I personally won't miss it too much and hope its loss will only add to Sanchez's continued growth and rythmn in the offense. All said, I think the position improves as Sanchez improves and I see no reason to think he won't. Position: Better
RUNNING BACKS - Shonn Greene will be inserted as the "bell cow" go-to running back. John "The Terminator" Connor will do his best to replace the great veteran full back Tony Richardson. LaDainian Tomlinson will embrace the role as 3rd down back. Joe McKnight has one more year in the system and may break out at least on Special Teams. Bilal Powell joins the group but will likely only see time on Specials. Brad Smith contributed to a good running game but I can't categorize him here as a running back. Personally, I believe the running game will improve based upon the increased reliance on Greene, but its hard to say the personnel is in anyway better. Position: Status Quo
WIDE RECEIVERS - Santonio Holmes returns with a big new contract. He will be the number one go-to guy. Hopefully, if possible, he will have more exciting game changing plays than in 2010. Jerricho Cotchery will also return and hopefully to his old self as he played injured and out of position through all of 2010. Plaxico Burress will join the group as an unknown option. Initially, he should be able to contribute with his 6'5" frame in the redzone. Perhaps as the year goes on he can shake off the rust and contribute in other packages as well. 5th round pick Jeremy Kerley will contribute on Special Teams and perhaps in the slot. 7th round pick Scotty McKnight and practice squad players Logan Payne and Patrick Turner, as well as a number of UDFA will compete to fill out the roster. While the team loses Braylon Edwards (55 catches, 7 TDs) the receptions can easily be made up on staff. If Plaxico can be a prescence in the redzone, Edwards should not be missed for TDs either. Brad Smith played little as an actuall wide receiver so his loss should only effect scheme. Position: Status Quo
TIGHT ENDS - Dustin Keller returns and is a good receiving tight end. Ben Hartsock, primarily a blocking TE, is gone but his role should be replaced with back up tackles, improved blocking by Keller or a change in scheme. The Jets will work out a number of practice squad and UDFA TEs. They may also find a role for the as yet unknown talent Jeff Cumberland. Position: Status Quo
OFFENSIVE LINE - D'Brickashaw Ferguson (T) and Nick Mangold (C) return as the anchors on the line. The serviceable Matt Slauson (G) will improve in his second year as starter. Brandon Moore (G) had off-season hip surgery and is currently on the PUP list. Vlad Ducasses and Wayne Hunter will compete for RT or to replace Moore in the event of a stumble there. Robert Turner will provide depth. Damien Woody, currently retired, could return to the roster at any time given a stumble by any of the above. All told, I have confidence that O-Line coach Tom Callahan will have a strong line in place by at least week 3 if not earlier. Position: Status Quo
SUMMARY – I can’t argue that personnel-wise the offense is any better or worse. But I can argue that the offense should improve with greater consistency and the the inevitable improvement of Mark Sanchez. The addition of the longtime Colts assistant Tom Moore can only help a team that struggles in the redzone. Finally, I believe the subtraction of the Wildcat and the previous "tryouts" at Wide Receiver stymied rather than improved the offense. While Brad Smith will be missed, I believe there are a number of up and comers or unknowns (Joe McKnight, Scotty McKnight, Bilal Powell, Jeremy Kerley, Plaxico Burress, Jeff Cumberland, etc.) that could make up for at least some of his excitement. All told, I believe there will be a slight improvement on offense and the credit will go to Sanchez above all others.
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Wow
There is no way in hell OL and WR haven’t decreased. We are replacing players that left with inferior players. Doesn’t seem like status quo to me.
Way in hell in fact
The OLine today, is the same Oline that finished out the season and played in the playoffs. Those guys filled in on spot notice and did well.
Difference at WR is Bray is gone. Is he replaceable, yes. Will the WRs be as good, we’ll see.
So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.
The O-Line that played in the playoffs wasn’t as good as the one that played in the regular season. No way.
And yes we will see about WR. But is it really likely that Plax is as good as Bray? Really? It took Vick a year to get accustomed to NFL again, and he was a lot younger.
Vick was sitting behind an incumbent starter in McNabb...
thats the main reason he didn’t play.
And how the hell was the line worse in the playoffs, Sanchez was sacked only 3 times in three games, and we had 359 yards rushing.
Plax doesn't have to be as good as Bray
The WR corps just has to make up for Bray’s loss. That means the balls for Bray are thrown elsewhere. Holmes will be thrown at more. Plax will be a redzone jump ball target. Cotch a possession WR. Maybe Kerley takes on some HR style throws. My belief is that Bray will be made up for.
So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.
I disagree...
It’s a lot of ifs for sure. But I think if Plax is anywhere close to his old self, he’s a better end zone threat than Braylon. Now of course he is no where near the down field threat (for that we will need to use Holmes for now), the question is which is more important and how much will we gain vs. lose. Add to that I think depth has been improved greatly with Kerley and McKnight, and a full year of Turner. I’m not saying we will without a doubt be improved, but certainly a much better chance than “no way in hell”
As for OL, of course we are hurt by Woody’s retirement, but lets remember including the playoffs he missed almost 6 games last year, and the offense did not miss a beat with Hunter in there. Add to that the expected progress and maturation of Slaussen and Ducasse, and you could also see how are probably no worse, intact we may be better.
If sanchez gets better, we get better
as simple as that. A few more plays from him against Pitt and we are in the big dance.
"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."
sanchez last year was great by coaching standards
remember what marty schottenheimer said, If a qb can image his output from his rookie season, his second year in the league, there has been progress…..sanchez blew his rookie year out of the water thats what has me excited this season.
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by CR00KS & C4STLES on Aug 3, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions
sorry green, i agree with magaca
o-line if nothing else has less quality depth,and wear and tear on o-line usually takes someone out over the course of a season. What Bray did may somewhat be made up by Plax, but a 27 year old in his prime is not the same as a 34 year old on a comeback trail-especially not early in the season. Kerley in the slot is our best shot at making up Brays yards-we are slightly worse at both o-line and wr
by longsuffering but optimistic on Aug 3, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
should we..
still call plax a 34 year old? in football terms he is 32, probably thoroughly healed and refreshed. it remains to be seen if he has lost a step or still has it.
if you can't tell if he's lost a step or not, or if he still has it
how can you automatically say he’s 32 in football terms?
Oline has exact same depth
Everyone is back and Woody is waiting in the wings to recover from his injury
So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.
I don't see how you can possibly say it's better or even the status quo.
To me, and this is just my opinion, I’m reading what you want the case to be, not necessarily what it is.
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But why is it necessarily worse...
because we lost Braylon a player you can count on 1 hand the number of important plays he made last year, or because we lost Woody, a player who missed 6 games, and was not even close to 100% for far more than that. Other than that we are essentially improving everywhere else by experience and depth. I’m certainly not saying it is better, but the case can be made it will be improved.
I don't see how you can say...
Braylon made 5 or less important plays last season..He was a solid contributor every week.
Braylon Edwards had one drop last year
to Holmes’ 5 and Cotch’s 8. That’s four less drops playing four more games.
Edwards had a catch rate of 52%, Holmes was 54%. Edwards had an avg. completion rate 3 yards greater than Holmes. In a career just one year shorter, Holmes has 13 fumbles to Edwards 5, and 13 less touchdowns. Both are in the substance abuse program, with Holmes one step away from a missed season and Edwards status up in the air. For all the elevation of Holmes over Edwards, the two are extremely similar in skill and production in the NFL.
I consider the 7 touchdowns he made to all be important plays. These sort of assertions that Edwards wasn’t important to the offense lend credibility to the notion that the “better or status quo” crowd are being entirely unreasonable.
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by Bro Namath on Aug 3, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok drops are a BS stat...
no way to equate, you get to more balls your going to make more drops, they don’t distinguish between the difficulty of the catch. I think Welker and Wayne lead the league in drops, I guess they both suck.
And to Rhodes: Edwards had 3 games where he only had 1 catch, only one friggin catch, hell he had 3 more games he only had 2 catches. Thats 6 games he was practically a non factor. A solid contributor every week what a joke, he disappeared for huge stretches, and never consistently performed.
in fairness – that is more an indcitment on Schotty and Sanchez than on Braylon…..I happen to be in the camp where I think we are making a serious mistake to not try to get Bray back for 1 year on the cheap and let him prove himself some more.
Ok...
2008: 2- 1 catch games, 3- 2catch games
2009: 3-1 catch games, 5- 2 catch games
Even his golden season of 2007 he had 5 games with 3 or less catches, he has always been very inconsistent.
If we have the chance to bring him back I’m 100% behind it, but I honestly don’t think there is, nor do I think its a necessity.
Arguably Burress can be equally inconsistent...
difference is he can dominate much more when at his best than Braylon.
Drops are a BS stat, but # of catches are not?
what world do you come from?
Do I care if Randy Moss only had 3 catches if they were all TDs? But, I do care if Randy Moss drops 1 out of the 3 passes that looks his way right?
Drops ususally change year to year based upon comfort level
Just as Brays drops went down i expect Holmes to get better. And Cotch I attribute to injury.
So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.
if drops are such a BS stat
then a lot of peoples criticism of him is invalid. And by the way, Holmes had five less passes thrown his way last season than Edwards, and still managed four more drops is four less games. Mitigate that all you like. The simple fact of the matter is that they were targeted and completed passes at nearly identical rates last year.
The point was to emphasize their similarities more than assert one over the other. Braylon Edwards is clearly in the same ballpark as Holmes, even if a little inferior to him. Holmes clearly wins in a battle for the depth chart. But I’m alluding to the fact that Edwards for Plax is NOT status quo.
It’s not that Burress wasn’t a more successful in his career, I expect anyone with two additional seasons under their belt who played for the Steelers and Giants to have better stats than the Browns only receiver – besides the oft-injured Cribbs. But let’s look at your claim that Burress has performed better in his career, completely ignoring the fact that he shot himself and has been out of football for two years and is 5 years older;
In 7 season, Edwards has played 90 games attaining 326 receptions for 5,142 yards with 15.8 receiving average with a long of 80 yards, 39 TD’s, 236 first downs 5 fumbles, 11 rushing yards for a first down, 23 tackles and one pass defended.
In 9 seasons, Plaxico has played 128 games with 505 receptions for 7,845 yards with a 15.5 avg and long of 78 yards 55 TD’s 363 first downs and 9 fumbles, 1 rushing attempt that lost 7 yards, and 13 tackles.
As expected Edwards already exceeds Plaxico in all averages, has a higher long, receiving average, and less fumbles (of course). Without counting the two missed seasons, if you take all of the averages, even playing for an inferior team with no QB most of his career, Edwards will have well surpassed Plaxico at 9 seasons in receptions, yards, touchdowns, first downs, receiving averages and will still have less fumbles. Drawing off of stats, you can even conclude that Edwards is a better blocker, defender, and has more ST potential.
Plaxico has missed 16 games since being drafted, 10 if you don’t consider the six games he missed while still under contract from having shot himself fair. Braylon Edwards missed 6 games his rookie season because he had a staph infection when they drafted him, but he has not missed a single game since. note: Since coming to a real team, Edwards past two seasons have been among the most productive of his career.
Plaxico Burress has had serious legal problems multiple times, as well as being in trouble with his team to the point where they suspended him. Not even considering the accidental shooting, compare Braylon Edwards behavioral record to Plaxico Burress. Before he even went to prison Plax was a bigger risk than Edwards. At least Edwards is a philanthropist as well. Plaxico was bordering on locker room cancer before he shot himself.
We’ve done NFL and possible future, what about history? Scouts rated Edwards first in his draft class of 202 possible receivers to Burress’ rank of 2nd against 66 possible receivers. Edwards went to Michigan and Plax Michigan state. Edwards was drafted 3rd overall and Burress 8th. Edwards ran a superior 40 dash but I can’t compare any others because Plaxico refused to do any other workouts.
Now, consider all of that AND the prison and missed football thing. Now, imagine we had waited and played the market. Edwards is signed with nobody and we have 3 million in cash we haven’t spent on a receiver 5 years older whose been out of the game yet. Holmes is making less than 4 million this year. You mean to tell me after practically nobody inquires about him, Edwards wouldn’t take a contract that payed less when he already said he would consider a discount? Perhaps not, but I think we could have played this to our advantage where we re-signed both receivers at a great deal for us. Look at the market for Edwards right now, and tell me that jumping the gun on Plaxico wasn’t a mistake.
In conclusion, you are wrong. Plaxico Burress is a significant downgrade at the position all things considered, sight unseen. I would be thrilled to see otherwise.
If there’s someone pro-Edwards out there that wants to Rec this comment, I wouldn’t hold it against you. I put an enormous amount of effort into my argument for his importance to us and our developing, 3rd year quarterback.
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by Bro Namath on Aug 3, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
But there was obviously a reason they did not wan't Edwards back...
most had to do with the off the field issues.
As for the comparison, I completely disagree, Braylon had a decent year last year not a great one, his success with the Jets is greatly exaggerated on this site, he was a good #2, but none the less a #, and very inconsistent. Burress easily has the potential to be as good if not better (and of course worse). But nothing has indicated he ever slacks off (unlike Braylon most years) so even at 34 and three years removed, I have similar faith in him as Braylon (well maybe a bit less).
But add to that we have improved depth at WR, and the maturation of Sanchez and green and Slausson, and yes I do very much think the offense should be at the very least the same and most likely better.
Ugh
Way to completely ignore the bounty of statistical and anecdotal evidence that not only is Braylon superior to Plaxico in terms of career production, but that Braylon’s impact on the team last year was freakishly similar to Holmes. Completely disagree all you want, production doesn’t lie.
DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD Catch%
Holmes 128 32 140 27 4.3% 39 5.8% 96 746 805 6 54%
Edwards125 35 136 30 2.4% 43 3.7% 101 904 864 7 52%
By attempting to mitigate the obvious impact Edwards had on the team during his tenure with us, it’s like saying Santonio Holmes isn’t that good, or that he had no impact on our team last year. That is no less ridiculous a leap in logic than saying Edwards impact on the field was overstated. Clearly, if anything his success last year is under appreciated and misunderstood, if your assertions are any indication.
You’re saying Braylon Edwards has character and behavioral problems…from a pro-Plaxico standpoint.
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by Bro Namath on Aug 3, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree Holmes wassn't that great either...
I do however feel he has the potential to be much better, he did miss four games, and it was his first year yet he had almost immediate chemistry with Sanchez (something I think it took Edwards till the end of last season to develop), and also made the most of his catches.
+1 I agree..
Like I said in my post below, we are going to miss Edwards more then we realize.
The more balls defense fails because..
First off, Braylon also had the most targets out of any jets receiver (including Keller) so he was thrown to more then Holmes or anyone on the roster and had the least drops. I don’t see how you can say there is no way to equate that.
Secondly, catching the ball isn’t the only thing Braylon does for us(He does do that obviously as he had the most targets, most yards, most TDs and least drops) he is an amazing run blocker which is a big part of our offense. Not to mention how he stretches the field for our run game with his deep threat presence. With that in mind how can you say he didn’t contribute every week? I’ll break down the three (Actually its four but I assume your not counting buffalo as I’m not) games where he only had one catch.
Lastly as far as those games go, Buffalo is a joke to count against him, he had one catch for a TD and we killed them. The reason he only had one catch in that game is because we were resting him for the play offs. Now then that leaves us with three other games your pointing the finger at him for (the 9-10 loss to Bal opening week, the 0-10 to GB and 6-10 to Miami).
We will start with the Sunday night loss to Bal: no one on the team had more then 2 receptions, Sanchez played terrible racking up a total of 74 yards which was just embarrassing. He only threw 21 passes all game (10 of which were caught half were to our RBs).He was only targeted 3 times all game, I don’t see how you can hold this game on Braylon.(I think it should go on Schotty personally but thats just me).
Next we will look at the shut out against the Pack: We got shut out, if you think anyone on offense played a good game I’d love to hear it. That being said I guess Braylon could have done a bit more this week but so could the rest of the team. Braylon was targeted 4 times this game and caught one for 32 yards.
Finally we will look at the 6-10 loss to Miami game Braylon only had 2 balls thrown his way all game he caught one for 17 yards. Perhaps if he was thrown to more then twice all game he would have more then one completion. Who’s fault is it that he didn’t contribute more to the passing game(Sanchez of Schotty)? In comparison Holmes had 9 targets for 2 completions.
I’m not going to break down the two catch games, I mean I could if you really want me to but I think the above is evidence enough. I also think its worth pointing out in every game where he had only one completion he was targeted 4 or less times, we scored less then 10 points and lost. (He was targeted 2,3,4 times those games). This shows that when Braylon wasn’t involved in our offense we lost the game and didn’t put up points. Given these facts I don’t see how you can say he wasn’t a big and valuable part of our offense.
P.S. I’m not trying to fight with anyone here. I’m just trying to show how valuable Braylon was to our offense and that he did contribute every week when he was given a fair chance. Even in the weeks he didn’t get a lot of completions or targets he was out there stretching the field, blocking for the run game and playing hard. We are going to miss Braylon in 2011…its possible Plax could fill in for him, but at this point that is an unknown.
by RhodesRocks on Aug 3, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Argument over rosters and FO moves is half of what this is all about
the other half is congregating to share moments of either giddy irrational exuberance or total misery and hopelessness.
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Simple, because every throw is not of the same difficulty to catch, and that is not whats equated in the statistics, there is no way to gauge difficult catches/drops over easy ones.
Run blocking is also completely over rated stat for a WR, their biggest impact in that regard are runs to the outside (which we rarely do) and down field, how many long runs did we have last year?
Buffalo was also the a game Holmes only had 1 catch (or was it 2)
The rest are just excuses for his inconsistency, I guess non of its his fault, I guess someone really did steal his phone and use his twitter the other night, cause thats about as believable to me. I just think we need to stop making Edwards into something he wasn’t.
c'mon man
it’s glaringly obvious you have something against the guy. You’re saying someone is better because they caught 2 out of 9 attempts thrown their way as opposed to 1 out of 2.
I think YOU are just making up excuses for Braylon’s contributions as a Jet, saying every drop Holmes makes is not his fault.
Something against him...
no, only that he’s very over rated around here.
And there you go putting words into my mouth, I didn’t make up an excuse for any of Holmes drops, nor am I making any for all of Edwards drops before this year, just that its a very dependent stat that means very little when you look at just the number.
just that its a very dependent stat that means very little when you look at just the number.
the same can be said about receptions.
Certainly to some extent...
but, I still consider number receptions a far more indicative stat as to how a receiver is contributing.
Can I deit my story and say the Jets offense is WORSE without Cotchery?
So Let It Be Written, So Let it Be Done.
i wouldn't fall into the trap that Mark Sanchez will inevitably be better.
I hope he is, but if he has a rough outing against Rob Ryan’s defense I can imagine what this board is going to read like on September 12.

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