Rex Ryan Claims Mark Sanchez Is (Sort Of) An Elite QB
by Bro Namath on Aug 18, 2011 6:13 PM EDT
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PrintRex Ryan had some nice things to say about Mark Sanchez to the press today, according to Waszak and the AP:
"This guy has won four playoff games in two years. All on the road," Ryan said. "When you talk about elite quarterbacks, I think he's an elite quarterback because he wins the big games. And he's a winner."
This was all in reference to Eli Manning's recent controversial comments, claiming that the Giants player deserved to be in the same class of QB as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning; presumably because the younger Manning has also won a Super Bowl as the starting signal caller. Needless to say, this caused quite a stir among sports fans and bloggers.
Another interesting side effect of Eli's...optimistic...self-evaluation is that several signal callers are evaluating themselves under similar criteria: a nonobjective look at the successes (but not the failures) of the team under the starting QB. Joe Flacco echoed Eli's self-praise on the radio with a little ego of his own, saying he considered himself to be in the top five signal callers in the NFL as well.
Our own head coach went so far as to say Sanchez is elite, but Ryan made sure to clarify that Mark is not yet in the same class as Brady and Manning, and there was still work to be done.
No, not (with) those two. (Brady and Manning) Those two have won Super Bowls. Peyton Manning has won a Super Bowl. He's won a zillion games. In my opinion, (he's) the best quarterback in football. Tom Brady's only won three Super Bowls and been the MVP of the league… We're a ways from that. There's no doubt.
I think when someone says Ryan is calling Sanchez an elite QB, they're kind of taking Rex's comments out of context, although he did say Mark is elite. Rex was the only person not claiming his signal caller is in the same league as Peyton or Tom. It seems to boil down to what your definition of elite is. Most QB's idea of elite seems to be 1)themselves and 2)a winner in the class of T.B. and Manning the elder.
Mark hasn't directly addressed the "elite" question himself, but he has been telling the press he is focused on improving his 54% completion rating, calling it "not good enough." In Mark's defense, the Jets were 4th in dropped passes last year, and his Rexness himself thinks Mark is elite.
Update: Not surprisingly, Mark was asked the fateful question. His response:
’It’s not for me to rank myself. I know I still have things I need to improve on. After I win the Super Bowl, then maybe I’ll have something to say about it."
What do you think? Do the Jets have an elite signal caller? Is he in the class of Brady or Manning? Are Eli or Joe Flacco, for that matter?
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actually, he has...
“Mark hasn’t directly addressed the “elite” question himself"
Mark was asked this question today and answer masterfully. I’m paraphrasing what I heard on the radio (ESPN 1050) but he essentially said,
’It’s not for me to rank myself. I know I still have things I need to improve on. After I win the Super Bowl, then maybe I’ll have something to say about it."
This is skilled diplomacy because, not only did he avoid direct comparision to Brady, he subtly allowed that, because Eli HAS won the big game, Manning wasn’t wrong for saying what he said. In my opinion, great media savyness was demonstrated. As the face of a franchise, Mark is way ahead of Eli (just check out GQ). Ha.
While I think it is unfair the amount of flak Eli has taken for his comments (he was taken by surprise, Mark had a chance to prepare). Eli did beat Brady in a Super Bowl. Who wouldn’t have a hard time feeling like he can hang with the big boys after that notch in their belt?
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by leed's 13th child on Aug 18, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions
Haha hopefully he gets there.
But right now he’s a middle of the road quarterback. Neither are Flacco or Manning but I can’t blame them for having confidence in themselves.
manning is elite. and flacco is on his way their
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No. no. No. no.
Can probably name 16-18 better QB’s than Sanchez.
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Please do. I count 11 who are clearly better.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Aug 18, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for kicks
Peyton
Brady
Rivers
Brees
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Matt Ryan
Vick?
Flacco?
Who am I missing? Eli’s pretty lousy lately. Hasselbeck and McNabb are old and underperforming. Others like Orton Kolb Henne etc. are just as unproven and questionable as Sanchez, in my humble opinion.
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Henne has proven that he sucks so far
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahaha
awesome man seriously funniest thing iv heard all day
You know what else is funny?
Cmp % 54.4
TD % 3.3
INT % 3.8
Y/A 6.6
Passer Rating 70.2
Cmp % 64.1
TD% 5.7
INT% 3.0
Y/A 8.0
Passer Rating 95.5
Guess which is Sanchez? NOT THE BOTTOM. Romo’s better.
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sanchez has two years under his belt...not a fair comparison
Sanchez is still getting better Romo is getting worse
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Two years into Romo's career?
He had a 95 and 97 Passer Rating. Completed 65% of his passes and had a TD% around 6.
Plus as for him getting worse that’s pure speculation from you. I doubt with all his weapons he’ll get worse. And Sanchez has weapons. He had Holmes, Edwards, Greene, LT, Keller, and one of the top offensive lines in the NFL. Don’t play that card.
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Romo got to sit for years and learn
Mark was thrown into the fire after only starting 1 year at USC. Again you can’t compare. Romo is going to get better. Its natural progression. Not saying he will be horrible, but its just bound to happen.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He's 29.
Brady and Peyton are into their 30’s passing great. Why would Romo be different?
Sanchez hasn’t shown anything to me that he’ll improve. No big increase in TD passes at all. He’s a hidden QB. A QB that you should use your defense and run the ball. Keep the QB hidden.
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Brady and Peyton are special cases
If every qb did what they do they wouldn’t be seen as special now would they? To even lump romo them is a joke.
You must not watch these Jets games because from his first year to second year he improved immensely, mainly because he sucked his rookie year. The hurdle for qb’s is to out do your rookie year, if not stay even. Most QB’s don’t improve in their 2nd year after their rookie season
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
there needs to be an edit button lol
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Want to make more comparisons?
Romo :
Cmp % 64.1
TD% 5.7
INT% 3.0
Y/A 8.0
Passer Rating 95.5
Brady :
Cmp % 63.6
TD% 5.5
INT% 2.2
Y/A 7.4
Passer Rating 95.2
Peyton :
Cmp % 64.9
TD% 5.5
INT% 2.7
Y/A 7.6
Passer Rating 94.9
Pretty similar.
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more wins. can't argue that one
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, but you said what did sanchez bring.
He brought more wins. You have to admit Romo has not delivered with very very good teams.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Individually
As of now, I’d say Romo is better than Sanchez…Sanchez is middle of the road right now although I expect him to be fringe top 10 at the end of the season.
he cant be in the top 10.
their are only 10 qb’s that can be their.
and freeman is the one on his way up.
sanchez isnt a good qb. but he is a leader. and that is fine.
but he’ll never be a top 10 qb
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If he had a defense behind him he could win.
The Jets probably make the Super Bowl with Romo at QB.
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No
Sanchez has been great in the playoffs he’s not the reason we haven’t made the SB. Romo has played poorly in the playoffs.
Peyton Manning had a 70 QB rating in
in the playoffs. Is he bad?
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That was last postseason
overall he’s played fine…Romo chokes…he couldnt handle a freaking snap and cost his team the game! I could do that!
One play?
Everyone bases his career off that one bad play. Every other playoff game he’s been great. Defense and offensive line sucked.
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no but even elite qb's look average against the jets
that’s what we do
if its for you it won't pass you
really?
because a lot of qb’s have looked pretty ok against you
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if they put someone else in for the big pressure games ofcourse, haha.
but i think the jets win the division with either romo or eli at qb
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll agree with that
Sanchez raises his game when it counts and Romo doesn’t.
Where was that in the AFC title game?
Twice? Choke right?
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See winning means nothing when comparing a QB.
Can’t blame it all on Sanchez for not winning a title game.
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Nope. He almost single-handedly beat the Steelers vaunted D in their own house.
Choking is fumbling the snap that would seal the deal.
He played great dude
the defense sucked that game.
I see your point
And I agree that Romo is better than he gets credit for but there’s no denying he falters when it counts.
I'll say one play he faltered.
Other than that I blame bad defense and bad offensive line.
Until we have a good defense and he sucks I’ll say what you’re saying, but he hasn’t faltered in really big spots.
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In 2007
Romo threw a perfect pass to Crayton, and he dropped it. Game would of been sealed. In 2009 the offensive line collapsed against Minnesota’s defensive line. Can’t blame Romo.
Plus our defense has never been as good as the Jets.
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Tough shit. Gotta make plays to win. When Peyton Manning put his foot down and said “this is my house” last season. Sanchez coolly replied, “Fuck you Peyton.” And then he drew up a play to Braylon down the sideline to position his team for a win.
Thats what the elite do. They don’t compile. They make plays when their team needs them to.
Exactly.
Sanchez hasn’t done so. lol you’re argument is so contradicting.
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SB is all that matters.
plus sanchdez’ defense won most of those games.
like roethlensburgers defense won for him.
neither played gret in any of their games
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
omg dude
your seriously comparing peyton and brady to romo… WTF are you smoking man? are you for real?
I said his stats are similar.
And they are.
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ok ok
i get what you mean but those guys are guarenteed future hall of famers and legends… even though personally i hate brady… romo isnt
I know he's not.
But statistically he’s one of the best QB’s in the NFL.
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Stats lie sometimes
oh and btw romo is 31 not 29. Thought that was low so i looked
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They lie?
No. These are rate stats. Not counting.
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Stats don't tell the whole story
This is a common phrase thats used often to explain that sports goes beyond numbers in some cases. This is one of them.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's really not.
He’s a great QB. There’s elite then there is great. Then there’s good, average, and below average.
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Yes, but who would you say is better Romo or Big Ben
Stats would say Romo by a land slide. But when you look at the games Ben is better.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
While “stats are for losers” is something I’ve come to really believe, I also find the “he finds a way to win” to be once of the most overused statements for ranking someone in football. Ben gets this pass all the time. Dude’s an overrated doofus.
I’ll tell you this, I’d take Sanchez over Ben without batting an eye.
Me too
but just because I have an aversion to sex offenders.
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Bens defense is better.
Romo needs to get his offense 30 points. Ben needs 16.
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When the cowboys were said to be SB favs they had a bad D...nah they didn't.
You didn’t answer either. Ben is is overrated, but he is still better Jerrad
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just a Ben hater, sorry
and higher on Romo than the average person. It was just sickening when he got credit for throwing no tds and 2 picks against us and people were saying how great he is.
SB favs last year?
Our D was bad. We had D Ware and Ratliff. Just like now.
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The cowboys have been mentioned with the SB since Romo emerged
Except for this season. So don’t act like the cowboys and Romo have been overachieving or something
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you comparing Sanchez and Romo?
If so you can start with Romo…
Year 1. 0 starts, 0 stats
Year 2. 0 starts, 0 stats
Year 3. 0 starts, -2 yards rushing
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Romo is terrible...
His stats are inflated because of the style of play Dallas uses. He cant win the big game and has choked in every playoffs he ever had.
Watch this year as they took away his main target and are down 2 big O-Line, he will lead Dallas to a 6-10 record.
Defense will be better around week 6 or 7.
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They Go By Wins
not QB stats. Romo may be a better or more accurate passer than Sanchez, but he isn’t a better leader (the real responsibility of a QB imo). Sanchez has helped lead the Jets to the AFC Championship Game 2 years in a row. Romo shows zero leadership. None, and he chokes in big games.
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You're the average fan then.
Because Romo got his entire team to come out to his camp this year.
Caps lock unleash the fury.
YOU CAN’T WIN GAMES BY YOURSELF. THE COWBOYS DEFENSE RANKED 31ST IN POINTS GIVEN UP LAST YEAR. WHEN HE WAS IN THE GAME HE SCORED ABOUT 24 POINTS A GAME. CAN’T WIN WHEN YOUR DEFENSE GIVES UP 29. NOT ROMO’S FAULT. PLUS THE OLINE IS HORRIBLE.
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I'm Not Saying
that QBs should win games by themselves. It’s a team game. My point is that in the clutch, more often than not, Romo comes up short. He doesn’t connect with his receivers, he throws picks, and doesn’t “lead” his team. That’s not just from my observations, either. I have heard and read a number of comments from the “pros” (NFL analysts/former players, not sportswriters) to the same extent.
Romo is very talented, but is too laid back. He doesn’t seem to have the burning desire in his gut to be the best and to win it all. Some guys can play, but they’re not “leaders” that can inspire or make others around them better. I don’t see that in Romo, but I see it in spades in Sanchez. The true comparison will be when Sanchez has played as many years as Romo. Then we can more accurately compare their stats.
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Lol
No offense but I find it funny how you said he throws picks. When Sanchez has a higher INT % than Romo. Never had Romo throw 13 TD’s and 20 INT’s in a year. Plus he throws about 26 TD’s a season and 13 picks. I’d take that production all day.
Oh and Romo wants to win have you heard some of him interviews?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXkNwUBmoM&feature=player_embedded
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he said in clutch moments romo throws them
mark hasn’t done much of that in the playoffs. BTW who doesn’t want to win? Everyone wants to win…problem is he hasn’t in the past.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 19, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
RIF
As Fly said, I said “in the clutch”. Big difference there, slick. It’s obvious you are blinded with homerism. I was never a fan of the Jets drafting Sanchez. He had too little experience, underclass QBs coming into the NFL (especially when they start their rookie season) almost always bust, and I didn’t think his tools were that special. He is proving me wrong, however. I give him his due. He definitely needs to improve his accuracy, his reads and decision-making.
Romo may say he “wants” to win, but actions speak louder than words. He’s soft. I can’t say as I blame him, but in the past he seemed to spend more time thinking about boffing Jessica Simpson than he did getting himself or his teammates to play better.
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umm sorry... but your wrong
sanchez has won 4 playoff games what has romo won? oh yeh 0
I;m glad you agree with me...
Rex Grossman is better than Sanchez. He has a conference title under his belt. Elite!
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You username should be levelhead83.
Because you know what you’re talking about.
I’m a Cowboys fan first, but the stats don’t lie. And Wins don’t show who’s better.
But I also like the Jets. I hope Sanchez does well, but he’s not better than Romo or Orton. Or the 16 guys I named.
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I only partially agree...
Stats don’t lie. However, stats are just that: stats. They only mean what people choose to infer about them. For instance, in college, if you wanted to be an uber passer, play for a Big 12 team. Why?
1. They all seem to play spread like crazy. (Texas Tech anyone?)
2. Defense? What’s that?
A QB playing in the SEC could certainly be “better” with lesser stats. Now, I’m not saying that the defenses in the NFC East suck, but I’m saying that—as has been pointed out several times—stats don’t tell who is better anymore than wins. Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman both illustrate the latter while guys like Orton illustrate the former.
I think Phillip Rivers is a fantastic QB. He’s definitely elite. 8-8 last year is not because he sucked. It’s because his Special Teams decided he wasn’t being challenged enough as a QB. However, he also gets to play in the AFC West. And last year, when his stats were monstrous, got to play against the NFC West too, you know… the conference that sent a 7-9 team to the playoffs. (And to top it off, he got to play against Houston too.)
In many respects QBs are only going to go as far as their offensive coordinator takes them. The list goes on.
With all that said, right now I’d say Romo is better. If you’re not better at his age then… well… you’d be dreadful. I’d still take Sanchez over him if I were building a team right now. I know it’s cliché, but Sanchez, to me, is an “intangibles” guy.
I wouldn't take Sanchez over Romo to build a team.
Guys I would take to build a team…
Rodgers
Rivers
Freeman
Ryan
Flacco
Stafford
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Stafford? LOL
The fact that you continue to point at Stafford is really funny. I mean, if you’re gonna mention up and coming QBs that aren’t tested, at least go with the real deal like Sam Bradford or something. (That kid is gonna light it up, mark my words and I’d happily build a team around him.)
And Flacco? Please. I’m not knocking him, but Flacco is certainly no better than Sanchez.
Freeman is still unproven (and this is not to say that I don’t think he will tear it up in the future—the kid’s looking great).
Ryan? Eh. It might be total bias on my part but Matt Ryan is quickly becoming obnoxiously overrated. (Good, but overrated.)
How about a 33-yard TD pass to Berrian in the 4th qtr of the NFC CHampionship game?
It helped seal the game as it put Chicago up by 11. Still, that isn’t the point if you say the only thing that matters is playoff wins. I’d have to imagine a Super Bowl berth has to be held in higher regards than 2 Conference Championship losses.
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smh this grossman argument is rediculous
Don’t throw random exceptions to the rule and say “look look what about this guy”…give me a break
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not providing an exception.
I’m going by the rules that were laid out for me that winning = elite. I’m trying to understand how players like Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson are elite because of this.
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those are the exception!!!!!
there are exceptions to these unwritten rules. It’s not set in stone. When you evaluate a QB you look at everything.
Stats
Wins
Attitude
Leadership
Commitment
Intelligence
And when does he shine the 1st quarter or the 4th?
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are the exceptions!!!!
These unwritten rules aren’t set in stone. When rating a QB there are certain criteria.
Stats
Wins
Attitude
Commitment
Leadership
And when do they shine 1st or 4th quarter.
Al you are doing is providing a bunch of exceptions. Your boy Marino is an exception because he is Elite though he never won a SB
Its now black and white like you’re saying it is.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
not black and white...typo
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well..
“sanchez has won 4 playoff games what has romo won? oh yeh 0.”
“How many post-season wins did Romo knotch with all that talent around him down in D-Town?”
“more wins. can’t argue that one.”
These are all quotes indicating elite, the last one by you. None of them mentioned stats. Stats were even discarded.
And I don’t think there has ever been any question about any of the QBs I mentioned having problems with attitude or commitment.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
uhh last 2 i said...first not me
i remember the thrashing they gave the eagles.
Yea the didn’t have problems. But what level of commitment and how good of a leader were they. Point is Wins are a big part, but there are multiple reasons why a QB is elite.
BTW i never said Sanchez is elite. Those are truths i stated so you’re putting words in my mouth by saying those quotes are about being elite.
You need to get off your jets hate and go back to the fins blog please
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My points were never directed at you
But I do agree, it takes more than wins to be elite. I wasn’t putting words into your mouth and even replied to Crack, who did say “Winning is everything.”
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Here is one that you'll absolutely hate.
Eli Manning. 3 away victories in one season compared to Sanchez’s 4 career. Two clutch passes in one drive that are more clutch than any in Sanchez’s career. Super Bowl title. Wouldn’t that make Eli elite? Certainly better than Sanchez.
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I watched every game in that run and he was really good, and at that moment
he was elite. Since then he lost what ever he had before. That is one season after he has been in the league. Sanchez has done this in his first two seasons against arguably tougher teams, with the exception of the bengals. I’m talking about the road games not the SB so don’t mention the Pats that was neutral field.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't count it as a road game.
The NFC Wild Card, NFC Division, and NFC Championship were the road games. The Pats were 18-0 and were one of the best teams of our generation.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
how are they the best when they lost?
seriously
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the best.
That team is definitely one of the most talented and dominant teams of recent memory. I didn’t say they were the best.
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- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
they were impressive, but not one of the best.
You gotta win the SB to be one of the best.
And please don’t say something stupid like…“well the jets haven’t won a SB”…because i didn’t say they where one of the best teams in our generation.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what's annoying.
Some teams lose and are better. THATS FOOTBALL.
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Clutch, LOL
You mean that desperate throw up the middle only to have Tyree make the catch of a lifetime, hahahah, yeah real clutch…
But he broke through a hell of a lot of tackles just to make that throw.
And he did get the ball to the right receiver and put him in position to make the catch. You can not diminish Eli’s role in that play. And a few moments later the pass to Plaxico. They’re both more clutch plays than Sanchez ever made.
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Actually he won one vs. Philadelphia.
And Sanchez didn’t win those games alone. His team did.
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No qb even wins alone
he had a ton to do with those wins though. You can’t honestly say he doesn’t
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone is apart of it.
But saying he’s better than Romo because of 4 playoff wins is not too smart. Especially when the stats aren’t even close in comparison.
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i never said that, but romo is just an above average QB
Mark is average right now. To me that doesn’t make much of a difference when you rank them because neither are elite.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better than Marino!
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Okay this is just homerish.
Your name has crack in it for a reason.
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dude, your kidding me right?
romo is clearly one of the top 12 qb’s in the league.
wheras its a debate if sanchez cracks the top 20
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Also how is Vick and Flacco a question mark?
Orton? Orton’s better than Sanchez. I think Kolb is too. Henne is not however.
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Orton has reached his ceiling and Flacco should be a question mark.
He never took that big leap that most qb’s take in their 3rd year
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
But Orton's ceiling is higher than where Sanchez is now.
Otherwise you could say someone like Mallett, Locker, and others better than Sanchez because they have higher ceilings.
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not the point. yes he is better, but
in a few years will he be? probably not. Orton has shown what he’s got and its good, but not good enough to be a force at qb
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
plus orton hasn't won anything.
not even regular season
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither has Sanchez.
Getting to the AFC title game isn’t winning it.
Orton’s better man get the goggles off.
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Dude i said he is better earlier. So why don't you get some glasses and read.
And getting to the AFC tittle game is winning. He wins more than he loses and that is what it means to win. Is he a champion…no. The thing with Orton is he doesn’t even win many regular season games.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted this before I read your comment.
My apologies.
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ok cool haha
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you actually believe Romo is elite?
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Elite?
I think he’s just below the elites.
Like just a tad. And no offense I love the Cowboys and like the Jets.
But people who think Sanchez is better than Romo? That makes me mad because it’s not true.
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I don't think anyone is saying he is.
everyone is saying Romo isn’t that great either.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
lol yea good luck with that.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I like both teams.
Being from NY and having a die hard Cowboys fan as a Dad. But I’ll be pulling for Big D. Sorry. haha
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I'm sorry but you guys are a passing team
and I see that being shut down
That's cool.
Felix Jones looks good. So the the line. Pumped!
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If you guys shut down Sanchez, I mean Schotty
then I’ll give you good odds.
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if its for you it won't pass you
That's a bit messed up.
But I’m like both teams man.
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DCyanks21 is a homer...
Getting to the AFC Championship back to back is alot better than loosing in the 1st or 2nd round, like Romo has done in the past, with a much better offense to boot.
Sanchez wins games and will continue to do so, he is clutch in the playoffs as proven by his performances. Romo is just about done, his team is dismantled, Roy is gone, Dez Bryant is a wannabe and Miles Austin is the only good WR they have.
Oh my.
I’m a homer? But you think Sanchez is good? That’s a homer statement.
Plus I’m a Cowboys fan for the NFC.
Jets in the AFC.
Romo’s win % is over .600.
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Not to defend the Cowboys since I don't like them...
But Roy Williams leaving doesn’t hurt Dallas. If anything, that is addition by subtraction. That is like saying Sanchez is done because Cotchery is gone.
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Flacco has just as many road playoff victories as Sanchez (goes by Rex's theory for why Sanchez is elite)
And he did have a very good 3rd season. Do you think 3,600 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs is just mediocre? The man had a QB rating of 93.6. Not elite, but Flacco’s worst season is still better than Sanchez’s best season.
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Yeah You're right...
But Sanchez doesn’t choke in the big games… so I’ll give Sanchez more credit.
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The Jets don't really ask Sanchez to throw in the big games on clutch downs.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 19, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Simply not true.
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That's enough from you.
Don’t mean to come off this way, but you have no idea what you are talking about. They don’t ask Sanchez to throw in the big games on clutch downs? Smh. next.
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Being that I'm Nigerian, being a Jets' Fan only comes natural... it's all about that old Green and White.
You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference. If you don't understand this, then you're losing big time.
I was thinking of all of those minus Flacco. I’ve seen Flacco choke too many times to think of him as actually better.
Eli usually plays well enough to win, he has suffered from Giants-itis over the last two years, where everything that can go wrong does. At this point I still think he’s a bit better than Sanchez. But not by much.
I still put Cutler ahead of Sanchez, based on talent alone.
And Schaub. His team always underachieves but it is rarely his fault.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Aug 18, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Flacco Over Sanchez
Flacco Crumbles in big situations look at his track record. Id put Sanchez above him because he makes the throw when it matters. I dont trust Flacco or Ryan to win a game in the 2 min drill
by Nu York Fan on Aug 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on!
Flacco? He’s done the same as Sanchez! With better stats over his career. So I guess Sanchez crumbles in big situations.
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Cmon Flacco is better
This whole conversation is building up Sanchez as a top 10 quarterback; the last two seasons have proved he’s not there yet.
sucha homer here.
eli is far better.
mcnabb sucks.
romo is far beter
cassel
freeman
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Rivers
Brees
Romo
Big Ben
Vick
Ryan
Eli
Schaub
Flacco
Freeman
Stafford
Cutler
Orton
Kolb
Could add McNabb in there.
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by DCyanks21 on Aug 18, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stafford never plays. Kolb played like 3 games. How can you properly evaluate them?
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Jets would be a top CB and a draft pick for Sanchez right now.
As for Stafford if you watch him play you’ll know.
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Yes, but any QB can have a few good games.
That’s why conventional wisdom says that you judge a qb after their 3rd season
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't throw a pick last year till about mid season. So you're off on that one
He had a few good ones
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm playing.
But did you know in 2009 Romo threw only 9 picks? 1.6 INT% pretty low.
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Done here though!
Good luck week one and after week 1 GO JETS!
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I don't think the Jets would be a top CB and a draft pick for Sanchez right now.
what a load of shite .
by that rational then that makes julio jones already better than brandon marshall ,
fins give up 2 2nd round picks for brandon marshall , atlanta give up 2 1st round picks , a 2nd round pick and 2 4th round picks for julio .
5th round for holmes .
my point is teams fall in love with players for reasons no sane fan can see . that’s not proof that kolb is better than sanchez , its proof that you couldn’t find enough QB’s to put ahead of him . greg mc elrory is one of the top qb’s in college and HS football ever so should be higher than half your list ? that’s how stupid your kolb comment is
if its for you it won't pass you
He cant...
DCyanks knows as much about football as he does about Sepak Takraw!
That's not necessary
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I'm talking about players clearly better than Sanchez
we’re separating by entire class or tier. You think he’s awful, fine, you made your point. Keep in mind this is entirely in reference to the conversation about who is and isn’t “elite”, not your fantasy football rankings.
Kolb is nothing to me yet. Vick had ONE good season as a passer, he couldn’t even stay healthy for a big part of it. Freeman Stafford Sanchez Cutler Eli Romo all fail to distinguish themselves, Orton and Flacco I elevate slightly above them if going by tier or class. McNabb Hasselbeck and other aged QB’s have regressed and are being shipped around like a joint at a college party.
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On second thought I completely disagree
Romo has failed to achieve anything. He’s below all those other names.
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They have better stats than Sanchez.
I’ll leave you with this link.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
Compare with Sanchez then some “elite” QB’s and you’ll find the stats are very similar.
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Keep in mind this is entirely in reference to the conversation about who is and isn’t "elite", not your fantasy football rankings.
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The point of the whole discussion is that elite is kind of intangible and different to everyone. To you, whoever is statistically the best QB for X period is elite, or more so than another player.
Clearly myself, Rex Ryan, and several other people on the board think that Sanchez is clutch when it counts, and that gives him something over Romo. I have no doubt some of that attitude is homerism, but to me Sanchez is far more accomplished in his short and storied career than Romo and his flavor of the moment blonde girlfriend that analysts can blame his shortcomings or the seasons failures on.
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That is a good valid point.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How does Romo have better stats than Sanchez?
Romo’s total stats for his first 3 years in the league are…
0 Starts and -2 yards rushing.
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He doesn't understand that sports are more than stats
Yes they are important, but they aren’t black and white.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to disagree
Romo, for most of his career, has had a rating in the 90+s
My list of quarterbacks.
1. Manning
2. Brady
3.Rodgers
4. Brees
5. Rivers
6. Vick
7. Romo
8. Big Ben
9. Eli
10. Schaub
11. Freeman
12. Orton
13. Flacco
14. Sanchez
Solid list.
I say Brady first, but tomato tomato.
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Flacco should not rank ahead of Sanchez. He chokes every time a game is on the line. Orton is a game manager. I wouldn’t trade Sanchez for him if you threw in two first round picks. And Freeman is just the sexy pick, but he hasn’t actually done anything more impressive than Sanchez at this point. They are interchangeable.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Aug 18, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Freeman is on an untalented Bucs team
and still threw for 25 td’s and 6 int’s, I love Sanchez but I’m trying to be biased. Orton has had a good couple of seasons and I just think that Flacco has been better the past 2 seasons, he’s had good numbers
And he also picked apart the leagues worst teams
If you want to be objective you need to look at all factors and it’s waaaay too early in their careers to do that.
by NYJALLFINGDAY on Aug 19, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Flacco’s seasons have been better overall, but you need to factor all of the intangibles in. Or I guess I need to, more accurately.
There are two teams in the NFL that I watch all sixteen games of every year, and have since I started watching football about eleven years ago. Those are the Jets and the Ravens. I’ve seen every game Flacco and Sanchez have ever played. There is a noticeable trend. In big games, Sanchez has come through and Flacco has not only failed to come through, but has fumbled the game away. Talent wise, you are probably right. As an overall team leader, one has risen significantly where the other has failed miserably.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Aug 19, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You are going based on players you like. Kolb, Orton, Stafford, Freeman and Flacco are not better than Sanchez.
Kolb and Stafford are completely untested.
Freeman is right about where Sanchez is.
Orton is a game manager who needs to be in the right system to win.
Flacco has repeatedly choked in clutch situations, in similar situations that Mark has shined.
McNabb is done. Or maybe you didn’t see him play last year.
Cutler is just barely better. Just barely. He has a much stronger arm but he makes very poor decisions. Sanchez cut down his stupid mistakes significantly from years one to two. Sanchez will probably surpass Cutler by the end of this year.
I will say one thing. I am not quite as high on Romo as you are, but I do agree to an extent. He is good. He’s not in the Rivers/Rodgers range but he is in the Roethlisberger/Schaub/Eli range.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Aug 18, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT!?
Eli? Freeman? CUTLER!? Matt “I am Chad Pennington 2.0” Stafford? Jay Fucking Cutler?
All right, look… I agreed with you before on account of Romo. However, this list is ridiculous—absolutely ridiculous. You’re the reason “stats are for losers” exists.
What are you basing this off of?
I mean Sanchez really isn’t talented in my opinion. And outside of this blog Sanchez is kinda a joke.
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The cowboys are a joke. Romo is a joke.
Roy Wiliams was a joke. Jerry Jones is a joke. So you have these “jokes” on your team also. The media makes you think this way. So far all of your opinions have been based of stats and media.
Make you’re own analysis on what you see. Say something specific sanchez hasn’t done that has nothing to do with stats.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 19, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not the same team.
What, you just got back from the ’90s or somethin?
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What am *I* basing this off of?
For a guy who lists Stafford I don’t know that you really have much of a right to even ask that. Two years in the NFL and he is the very definition of unproven. There is basically no real body of work at all. You have next to nothing to base your opinion on Stafford off of and yet… you do.
And no, outside of this blog he’s not a joke. Maybe over on the Cowboy’s blog where you guys love Romo and I’m sure over with the Phins and the Pats. However, the more generic sportswriting world he’s not a joke. He’s not Peyton Manning, but he’s not a joke.
(And honestly, I think he’d be better if our OC weren’t insane.)
i can name probably 20
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The SB qualifier is garbage
All this crap about not being elite unless you win a superbowl is garbage. Trent Dilfer won a superbowl, Dan Marino did not. Does that mean Dilfer is an Elite QB and Marino isn’t? It’s BS!!!
Manning and Brady are elite because they can control the game. Both can call their own plays and direct the game without any help from the sideline.
Is Sanchez elite? He’s damn good in the playoffs. But in reality, how the hell can someone be an elite QB after 2 years.
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Winning means everything.
What good are yards and completion percentages if you don’t win? Superbowls matter for QBs bc they have the most effect upon whether or not a team wins.
Why is the compiler that can’t do it when it matters better than the guy that can raise his game to the highest level when the team needs it most.
You’re goddam right Sanchez is elite. The kid wins games for his team; he makes huge plays. What the hell has Rivers done in the playoffs?
Lets look at who Sanchez beat in the post-season in their own damn house shall we:
Phil Rivers
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Those guys are supposedly elite, but they can’t beat Sanchez with the season on the line.
The only QBs to beat Sanchez in the post-season are HOF canidates Peyton and Big Ben. And Ben barely bested him and was far outplayed.
Sanchez is elite.
Winning means nothing to individual status. Only team status.
Marino is one of the greatest QB’s ever. Won squat.
Dilfer > Marino ? Brad Johnson > Marino?
I think not.
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See the difference between marino and romo is
Romo is to blame for most of the big disappointments in the playoffs. Where Marino isn’t the root cause for most of his. Romo has been bashed for choking and won 1 playoff game. Marino won many and got to a SB. So Marino may not have a ring, but he won his share of games.
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow Crack. We disagree on something
Winning isn’t an individual accomplishment in football. Sure, in baseball, you can win a game based on the performance of one guy, but football doesn’t work like that. You can have the greatest QB in history playing for you and if your line can’t protect him, he won’t do shit. No QB ever won a superbowl by himself. So the SB qualifier is crap. Trent Dilfer and Doug Williams are the perfect examples of just how much BS it is.
And Sanchez didn’t beat any team in the post season. The Jets beat those teams. Is Sanchez a good QB. Yes. Is he great? At times he sure as hell is. Is he Elite? He’s only been in the league for 2 years, so i would say no. He just doens’t have a long enough record of accomplishment for me. Now if he can continue to do what he’s done these first 2 years over the next 3 or 4… Then you have to look at him as an Elite QB.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
True, but this argument is used for QB's only because of any 1 player they control the game the most.
So is a lot of ways it is a valid discussion.
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets look at the Steelers game from last year
Sanchez completely outplayed Rapistburger. Yet… Rapistburger got to the Superbowl. That’s the issue. The better QB that day didn’t win. Why? Because the D forgot how to tackle.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
For another example of SB's being completely overvalued
The greatest runningback i’ve ever seen was Barry Sanders. He never even sniffed a superbowl.
Kerry Collins got to the Superbowl and then couldn’t score a single point on Offense against Baltimore, and Trent Dilfer got a ring.
Dilfer vs. Collins…. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Baseball doesn't work like that either. No sport does.
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I can easily argue that point
A game can be won with only one guy providing any offense. Every player can go hitless, and one can hit 3 HR’s in a game. No contribution from the other players, yet, they win. In football, that can’t happen. A RB can’t score if people don’t block. A WR can’t score if the QB doesn’t throw it.
King and his court softball is the classic example of this. they play with 3 guys and beat teams with 10.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
That one guy providing offense and winning also relies on one guy pitching a heck of a game.
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To an extent
But if you had Albert Pujols and a bunch of no-names that couldn’t provide offense, pitchers would walk Pujols on empty bases and get the others. That monster of a batter is useless if other players can’t at least provide the threat to bring him home.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
One last thing regarding winning
There are 16 regular season games and you need to win a majority of them before you can get to the playoffs for 2 to 3 games that you have to win, in order to play in the Superbowl. The Superbowl is just one game.
"Schotty... You Suck!" - Mark Sanchez
Sanchez is not elite...
He stands in the middle of the pack with the other elite QB’s who havent won a SB, neither has Sanchez, its great to get to the AFC Champ game but he has to win it.
Legendary (in no specific order)
P. Manning
Brady
Brees
Elite (in no specific order)
Big Ben
E. Manning
Rodgers
Good (in no specific order)
All the rest
Its as easy as that.
I don't know if I'd even say Eli is elite.
I’d be inclined to swap him with someone like Rivers.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Yep, that's how I'd go - Rivers in, Eli out.
Rivers puts up ridiculous stats irrespective of who is at WR (even last year, when his #1 and #2 and TE were out).
I’d also consider putting Schaub up there. Maybe. Especially if Roethlisberger’s elite. They both have glaring holes in their games, but patch them over by sticking to what they’re good at – Schaub at laying it out for his TE and #1 in traffic, Roethlisberger for buying time with his feet and throwing deep to whoever comes open first.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 19, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That's pretty much how I feel about it
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Rodgers and Rivers are probably the only two qbs who should be mentioned in the same breath as Manning and Brady, and even they have a ways to go before that is no longer heavily disputed.
you forgot brees
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
And maybe Matt Ryan will enter the conversation at some point.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Aug 18, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
not from what I've seen in the post season
I can see Mark surpassing a guy like Ryan this year
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he elite?
I dunno. He’s classy though. I liked his response. I’m glad he’s our QB, that’s for sure.
It was a good response.
And like many others, I do think people are making too big a deal out of Eli Manning’s comment. It was good for a giggle for me, but much like Vince Young’s dream team remark, it has been taken out of context and majorly overblown.
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by 808BostonSportsFan on Aug 19, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
personally
think theres only 8 or 9 who are clearly better and i would much rather have sanchize under centre over eli… just cos eli won the superbowl doesnt make him elite it makes that team elite
I personally wouldn't take Eli that high
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I would like to shoot the analyst who first coined the term "Elite"
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It was the one armed analyst
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I wouldn't say Sanchez is an elite QB
but he has proven that he is already a clutch QB, which I will take.
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He's not elite
Elite to me is someone top 5 in a position, someone who’s name makes head coaches eyes pop out when the list of FA’s gets to them. To me, Flacco, Eli, Mark, Romo, Stafford, Freeman, all not elite. Rivers, Manning,Brady, Brees and Roethlisburger, all elite talents. Stats is only half of football
by NYJALLFINGDAY on Aug 18, 2011 10:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
stats may be less than half lol
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by Fly-as-a-JET on Aug 18, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark's not in that second class though.
lol It’s obvious.
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How could you expect him/them to be?
Those 5 guys have multi-million dollar talents, they’re elite because of just how rare their specific skill sets are. I don’t think anyone in that first class of guys I posted will ever be elite. Elite is just a tossed around word now a days. Elite status = Hall of Fame type talent.
by NYJALLFINGDAY on Aug 19, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
when it is all said and done
there is no one id rather have under center for the Jets than Mark Sanchez….i think he is the best fit for our team and what he has done in his short nfl career is remarkable…I no longer think the Jets have no shot when we get the ball with a minute left down by 4-7 points….Sanchez delivers in the clutch which i feel allows him to be in the talk of being an "elite’ QB
by DotheJet on Aug 18, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lol
DCyanks21, you mad bro?
by NewEnglandJetsFan113 on Aug 19, 2011 2:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
sanchez is not even close to elite
parts of him are elite
1 film study ( elite )
2 digesting the playbook ( elite )
3 leadership ( elite )
4 away playoff wins ( elite )
5 4th quarter clutch ( elite )
unfortunately there are way more categories that he is still average and needs to do lots of work in all of them to get better .
at he moment i’d rate sanchez somewhere between 12 – 15 in the league but i think if he improves the way we want he will be a top 10 qb next year .
i like most jet fans would be happy having sanchez at 8-10 next year because we would be the team to beat for years to come. we don’t need an elite QB because we have an elite TEAM
if its for you it won't pass you
by tinley24 on Aug 19, 2011 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is for DCwanks21
romo has a better chance of winning the u.s. open than the superbowl or becoming elite ….ever . he is too brittle to be a top qb and maybe he should stick to golf or become rory mc elory’s caddie , he might have some sucess then
if its for you it won't pass you
You provide zero factual evidence when posting.
Your made situations are not coming true.
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one of my previous posts but no reply from DCwanks21
I don’t think the Jets would be a top CB and a draft pick for Sanchez right now.
what a load of shite .
by that rational then that makes julio jones already better than brandon marshall ,fins give up 2 2nd round picks for brandon marshall , atlanta give up 2 1st round picks , a 2nd round pick and 2 4th round picks for julio .
5th round for holmes .
my point is teams fall in love with players for reasons no sane fan can see . that’s not proof that kolb is better than sanchez , its proof that you couldn’t find enough QB’s to put ahead of him . greg mc elrory is one of the top qb’s in college and HS football ever so should be higher than half your list ? that’s how stupid your kolb comment is
hope these facts keep you going DCwanks21, haven’t heard a reply so i will just assume you were in fact talking shite about kolb being better than sanchez . i hope you can come up with a fact to prove your point
if its for you it won't pass you
QBs Better Than Sanchez
Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Vick, River, Romo, Eli, Big Ben
Guys like Flacco, Orton, or other guys on that level are just as questionable as Sanchez imo. I think Sanchez is going to have a big year and I am not saying I wold put him as a top ten QB (cause I don’t think he is), but other than 9 or 10 guys, I don’t think the QB position is all that great in the NFL
by TerpsTerpsTerps on Aug 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I can somewhat agree with this.
I like it. You got the elite and great QB’s there.
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this.
tho i think freeman should be on that list.
and bradord and stafford will soon round out the top 13 with those guys.
but i think the elite 11 is"
1. peyton (best. clearly. no debating this guy)
2. brady (winner, douche, all words that describe this guy)
3. rodgers (he’ll be #2 when the seasons over)
4. brees (the most impressive thing about him is that he spreads the ball so well)
5. vick (he’s gonna be gone soon, but until he gets injured he has to be here)
6. rivers (i think that eli is a better franchise qb than him. but no denying his talent, accurate and works with not much sometimes)
7. Eli (clutch, winner, and his #‘s go up every year. if it werent for his 25 int’s he’d be 6. and soon higher. i think his int # drops this year. but he makes some bonheaded decisions sometimes)
8. Freeman (i almost put romo here, but than i decided to bump up freeman a spot. he is a real leader, and very dalented. also a dual threat. things that have sb mvp written all over them)
9. romo ( clearly a great talent. the only thing holding him back imo, is injuries and his leadersip. otherwise he is one of the better qb’s around)
10. big ben (nothing special, not an elite, take over a game qb. but he gets it done. he is a turrible leader tho. and this drops him. also, his team usual carries him more often than he carries them)
my take on sanchez:
i think that a lot of the bandwagon jets fans (some of the worst fans around) come on here and otehr places, saying eh is the next peyton or what not.
we all know thats not true, and you true jets fans know it. i love the true jets fans tho. you guys are very humble. and actually know what you are talking about sometimes.
i think sanchez is more of the opposite of ben, or maybe like him. but more of a leader. yea thats it.
sanchez is like a marginally less talented ben rothlensburgersteinmanson, his team carries him a lot. but he is a great leader of that team. not a guy that will win MVP, SB MVP, or anything. but a guy that can lead his team through games. i think he isnt the most talented guy around. but he is a good leader. and thats what you need to win championships, leadres and to play like a team. if mark can do that. then he may get you over the hump. (i however think your overrated.)
so mark is NOT elite guys, he is not great, but he IS a leader. thats what you want.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, and the 11th qb (i forgot) is either matt ryan or joe flacco. you decide.
i think ryan is extremley overrated, infact
#11. matt schaub ( schaub is basically all-around average. he leads, passes well, and what not. i think he benifits from andre johnson. but if it werent for his D last year. he could have led his team to teh playoffs. if e does that, he will have tuly earned this spot)
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez won't be looking elite
against the Pats this year. WE GOT DEFENSE BABY!
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
orly?
I want to gloat on the Jets Blog SOOO BAAD.
I just wanna give them a heads up on the ass kicking their team is going to be taking this year all because of Bart Scott.
No wonder Rex Ryan said he needs someone else in the AFC to beat the Patriots this year cuz they sure as hell aint sniffing it this year.
It’s been real, Chris. Enjoy your season.
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Ok im back
Misunderstanding before. Excited after my pats feasting on the Bucs formidable O-line I said the comment above. I never came here with the intention of trollin just to gloat about the new patriots defense which got interpreted as Trolling by Bro Namath. So from now on I will be more careful about what I say about your Jets.
Now, with all respect to GGN, you won’t win a game against the patriots this year IMO, because of our improved 14-2 team w/ pass rush
Taylor Price will be the starter by the end of the season (Said before Training Camp)
Defense????
Who, Fat albert …… Give me a break. By the way if Brady keeps leading ocho into the middle like he did last night, He won’t last too long!!
Guys if you can listen to TerpsTerpsTerps...for a moments
Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Vick, River, Romo, Eli, Big Ben
Guys like Flacco, Orton, or other guys on that level are just as questionable as Sanchez imo. I think Sanchez is going to have a big year and I am not saying I wold put him as a top ten QB (cause I don’t think he is), but other than 9 or 10 guys, I don’t think the QB position is all that great in the NFL
This. I agree with this.
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by DCyanks21 on Aug 19, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
whats ur beef with eli?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
this
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
Desean Jackson IS a punk
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DJ3K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tony romo is a little bitch "oww my finger"
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's to be expected but it's still sad
seeing all the blind homerism. As a Bills fan, I know my logic will be questioned and called hate, but it’s still very possible to come to an unbiased view. I respect Brady, because he is good, and because he’s proven that he can lead a team that is lacking in certain units, much the same way Manning can.
Sanchez cannot. The fact that some of you actually believe this is appalling. He had one of the top 3 offensive lines his first two years in the league, and still arguablly does. Along with that, he has one of the top 3-5 rushing attacks for the same time frame.
Are we really going to say he lead this team to the playoffs as a rookie when his stats were attrocious, and when your offense had over 100+ more rushing attempts than the team that finished 2nd? It’s clear that the running game was far more important than Sanchez, and any QB with a top 5 O-Line, top 5 rushing attack, and top 5 defense can make it to the playoffs, especially when the last two teams of the regular season lay over and rest their starters. Lead? Please. He was along for the ride.
Along with that, being good when it matters? The regular season matters. With an average team across the board rank 14-18 for defense, rushing attack, and o-line, Sanchez wouldn’t do squat. An elite, or even very good QB would be able to make that at least a wild card contender. Instead, he’s put up appalling numbers with a very GOOD supporting cast.
It can be excusable for the first two years, but to then come around and say that the QB did something during that time frame to help get the team to the playoffs is a egregious falsehood. Sanchez was no more responsible for leading his team to the playoffs than Roethlisberger was for a Super Bowl win as a rookie. Granted, Sanchez has played somewhat well in the playoffs, but his regular season debauchery leaves him too inconsistent to be considered elite.
Also. Anyone can throw 5 yard slants to Santonio Holmes and watch them get taken for 40yard touchdowns for “game winning clutch throws”. A good QB, that does not make. As I said, even though I harbor deep-seeded resentment for the rest of the AFC East, I do respect good players and acknowledge them as they deserve it.
Sanchez does not deserve this recognition. He has done litte to date. Doling out “wins” as if they are a stat to one player when they are surrounded by talent is a giant mistake.
/rant
So basically you're saying if Sanchez was on your team, he would suck?
I agree. Wholeheartedly.
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The Jets would be impressive if they'd picked up Josh Johnson instead of trading up
I’m glad they got Sanchez, on the balance.
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 19, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Your Wrong
You know football because Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl as a rookie. Because he didn’t
Sanchez only has 5 4th quarter comebacks and 7 game winning drives in two years meaning he must lean completely on other players
2009 season – VS Chargers in playoffs
2010 season – VS Denver, Detroit, Cleveland, Houston, Pittsburgh And Indy in the playoffs
Still needs more than comebacks
Hell, Henne had 5 4th quarter comebacks… in 2009 alone. That doesn’t make him good, let alone elite.
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
This. Sanchez is arguably the worst starting QB in the AFC East. It’s between him and Henne (no offense Finhead).
by NordicBillsfan on Aug 19, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
I won’t defend Henne.
Sanchez has shown a knack for making some big plays in the 4th quarter and when it is needed, which is a great attribute to have in a QB. However, elite QBs play at elite levels all the time. Game to game, quarter to quarter. Until Sanchez can consistently play great games and play great in all quarters instead of the 4th, he will never be elite. This applies to all QBs.
Is Jake Plummer considered better than Jim Kelly because he has more 4th quarter comebacks? Why is Big Ben discarded here when he leads the NFL in 4th quarter comebacks with 19? Why is his comeback rating and his “clutch” factor discarded when it is also used to hold Sanchez on a pedestal? Should Drew Bledsoe be considered one of the all-time bests because he is one of the best in 4th quarter comebacks? When you think of Dan Marino, John Elway, Johnny U, or Joe Montana, do you think of 4th quarter performances or how they played on Wild Card weekend or do you take a look at their entire body of work. Just a thought…
- Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.
- Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it.
Woops. 2nd year. Forgive me for being slightly off concerning a team that the Bills hardly ever play.
And by the way, Trent Edwards has a handful of “4th quarter comebacks”, especially from that 5-1 start back in 2008, and he still sucks. Doesn’t mean ****. The only reason Sanchez has even looked half ways decent is the threat of play-action since the Jets are so run heavy. An average QB would have take the Jets to the Super Bowl by now. Ryan Fitzpatrick was throwing to Steve Johnson and Lee Evans and he still put up better stats than Sanchez on an arguably much worse team. The Jets are a huge crutch for Sanchez.. Take away Sanchez and the Jets won’t be noticeably worse, make a top 5 o-line, top 5 rushing attack, and top 5 D even ranked 10th and the Jets don’t sniff the playoffs.
And hold on while I’m impressed by the defenses in denver, detroit, cleveland, houston, pittsburg (good run, terrible passing d) and indy lolololololololololo
by NordicBillsfan on Aug 19, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(sigh)
Watever.
Sanchez being so horrible, manages to help take his team into the playoffs 2yrs straight.
Sanchez being so horrible, manages to help take his team to the AFC finals 2 yrs straight.
Sanchez managed to beat Manning and Brady in the playoffs last yr..
Sanchez has to play against D like the steelers, the ravens.
Has to play against offensives like the colts and pats.
I dont care if no one ever recognizes him as elite. He fits well in this system.
BTW the ONLY QB that has seem to do it all with crappy players is Brady (ick)
Manning looked bad without his TE last year.
And Rex Grossman got the the Super Bowl. Clearly Grossman > Sanchez, right?
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by Comedic.Sans on Aug 19, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and Brad Johnson > Jim Kelly
and Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino
by NordicBillsfan on Aug 19, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
deserved rec.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
for all the stat whores...
QB A
54.4 comp%
70.2 qb rating
185 ypg
3.3 td%
3.8 int%
QB B
60.5 comp%
94.3 qb rating
192 ypg
5.7 td%
1.9 int%
Who would you want?
The first is Sanchez reg season. The second is Sanchez playoffs. Now we can all agree QB B is better, the playoffs are more pressure packed and more important, and Sanchez is not elite. But if you can’t admit he has potential to be special after his playoff runs and clutch comeback wins, you are either blind, lying or sports illiterate.
by JETSons on Aug 20, 2011 12:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i think this may be the best answer yet.
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The new Prince of NY is here
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tony romo is a little bitch "oww my finger"
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Just want to remind everyone
There are no wrong answers (except in your own mind), and ‘elite’ is kind of an intangible thing that varies by individual.
You’re not wrong for thinking Romo or Sanchez are elite. Or NOT thinking they are.
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their are very wrong answers. like the ones where you guys say sanchez is better than eli or romo
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The new Prince of NY is here
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DJ3K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tony romo is a little bitch "oww my finger"
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JPP- Breakout Season in waiting
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the only wrong answer
is to come to GGN and run your mouth.
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Sanchez, Flacco, and Eli are not elite
The elite QBs in the league are Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and I would say Roethlisberger and Brees. Also the only starting QBs in the league with rings besides Eli. That said, I think Sanchez can be elite, or at least really close.
by J-Nasty on Aug 20, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here's my tier list.
These are the elite QBs: Brady and Peyton. That’s it. They’re the only ones that I feel transcend their scheme and surrounding players. Elite is a word attached to too many guys. Elite means Revis and Nnamdi, not Revis and Nnamdi and old Champ Bailey and Leon Hall and Johnathan Joseph and Asante Samuel and etc. The guys that you can legitimately argue are the best at their position are the elite, and there’s rarely ever more than two or three of those at the position at any given time. Hence Brady and Peyton.
The tier below them contains Rodgers, Rivers, and Brees. Guys that are absolutely flawless QBs for the systems they’re in that could succeed elsewhere, but probably not to the same degree of success as with their current team. Rodgers has had a s***load of talent around him, and Rivers I’m pretty sure fails if all his receivers are 5’10" instead of 6’5". Brees has the benefit of having all those receivers AND being in the best offensive system in the league.
The tier below that is Roethlisberger, Romo, Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub. Ryan is the very good young QB who seems most likely to break into the next tier. Romo and Schaub are guys that put up big numbers but fall short of that next level. I give Romo a lot of credit—I feel like if he was on the Steelers he’d be as successful as Roethlisberger. Speaking of which, he’s a guy that definitely benefits from being on such a great team with everything he needs, except an o-line. He’s hard to rank because he doesn’t have to win games for his team, and he’s inconsistent, but he’s still clearly good—at least he’s more proven than the guys in the next tier.
Next tier: good QBs that are inconsistent or unproven, including last year’s darlings. Vick, Freeman, Eli, Flacco, and Sanchez based on his playoffs last year. I’m not buying Vick’s performance last year at all, and that’s since before his preseason debut I assure you. He’s definitely taking a tumble this year. Eli’s one of the clutchest QBs out there but he’s also prone to some of the most boneheaded decision-making in the league. He’s like 2000s Favre. Freeman, Flacco and Sanchez are all young QBs with potential to take it to the next level and beyond—although of the three I think Flacco has the lowest ceiling. To be fair he had a pretty awesome year last year all things considered with how bad his o-line deteriorated from 2009. I fear the same for Sanchez this year :(
Next tier is Palmer, Orton, Cutler, McNabb, and Cassel, alongside a separate tier with equal footing that includes Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford and Matt Stafford. The first guys are those guys that are pretty much known quantities at this point, although Cutler and McNabb might be a little underrated here—they were in awful situations last year (Cutler unfortunately still is in one). Palmer has been declining every year for half a decade now and will probably be out of this tier the next time he plays, whenever that may be. Orton and Cassel are system QBs, but serviceable ones.
The second guys are those QBs that look good but haven’t played enough yet to determine where they truly stand. Colt seems to have the lowest ceiling but at the same time seems to be the surest thing. The other two have enough talent to be in the second overall tier I think but could easily end up washing out entirely, whereas I think Colt at worst is a solid starting QB somewhere. Reminds me a lot of Chad Pennington.
There are other tiers to be defined after this but considering I’ve typed this all out on my phone, please forgive me for stopping here lol. Maybe I make a fanpost out of this later and complete it!
by Exystence on Aug 20, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rivers has not have a lot of help.
No V-Jax last year and he did really well. Probably better than Peyton.
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This is true, however I don’t think he can succeed without the right TYPE of receiver, i.e. big tall jump-ball winners. Because of that I can’t rightly place him up there. He’s a fantastic QB though.
by Exystence on Aug 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't really consider Floyd and Naanee standout WRs.
He has done fine without him, even when Gates was injured.
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I don't think they're standouts either
But they are certainly of that archetype and they fit within that scheme. Rivers is the floatball master and is very accurate, but he doesn’t exactly have a strong arm. And like I’ve said, he’s a fantastic QB. I’ve categorically placed him in the top 5. But try this little thought experiment—if you put him on the Colts and put Manning on the Chargers, who do you think does better? To me the answer is pretty obviously Manning.
Of course when I mention Peyton I’m assuming he’s gonna be his old self. Which seems pretty unlikely :S but innocent until proven guilty right?
Yeah.
Manning probably does better, but he’s one of the best all-time QBs. The Colts would still be competitive. Now if you put Rivers on a team like the Lions, they would be immensely better.
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wait are you saying that without manning the colts are still competitive?
they are like a 2 win team without him.
without rivers the chargers are still a playoff team. still win the division.
you put peyton on any team in the league and they are immdeiate contenders
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying if the Colts had Rivers instead of Manning.
They won’t be as good, but Rivers could still keep the offense performing at a good level.
The Chargers are not a playoff team without Rivers unless they had another very good QB. I’m not saying Rivers is better than Manning, but that Rivers is not a “system QB.”
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well thats stupid.
peyton lost all his weapons too. and performed pretty well (led his team to the playoffs).
peyton is much better than rivers.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I said last season LT.
Not overall.
I still rank
Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Rivers
Brees
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oh. last season.
i would stiil probably disagree. snce manning had prob. mor injuries, and still led his team to the playoffs.
peyton
brady
rodgers
brees
rivers
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
rodgers is elite.
prob. better than brady.
peyton is clear #1.
sanchez is not near the tear of eli, freeman or flacco. romo and eli should be in the same tear.
mcnabb should be in no tiers. he is bad
palmer is retired.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Aug 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez should be happy to be top 20...
In no particular order
Manning
Manning
Brady
Rodgers
Fitzpatrick
Rothlisberger
Flacco
Cassel
Orton
Schaub
Hasslebeck
Romo
Vick
Brees
Ryan
Freeman
Cutler
Stafford
Bradford.
19 QB’s who are better than Sanchez. Sanchez would be better suited embracing his minor role as game manager and letting his running game and Defense carry him.
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I find that ranking QBs in tiers are much easier than a straight ranking
Active 1st Ballot Hall of Famers (in either order)
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Elite (in any order)
Phillip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Flawed Superstars (in any order)
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Ryan
Tony Romo
Heroes for a year
Michael Vick
The Rising Next Generation (in any order)
Mark Sanchez
Joe Flacco
Sam Bradford
Matthew Stafford
Josh Freeman
The Steady Veterans
Matt Schaub
Jay Cutler
Matt Cassel
Kyle Orton
The Mediocre and below…
Everyone else.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 22, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
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