Prelude to Free Agency (Finally!!!!!!!!!!)
by dabu7 on Jul 14, 2011 11:23 PM EDT
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PrintAs the news starts to sift in that the lockout may finally be coming to an end (I almost don't want to write this for fear of jinxing it) its time to (finally) actually start thinking about free agency for real. The Jets will probably be one of the most active teams in FA as they have many FA's on their own team and many holes to fill if those players are not resigned. Additionally, there are other FA's out there who can be very valuable to the team (you really think I, of all people, wouldn/t bring Nnamdi into the discussion?????). Reports are saying that the cap will probably be set at $120-123 million, or slightly less than the $128 million it was in the last capped year of 2009. So what should the Jets do?
First off, here's the list of important Jets free agents (I'm not listing type because I don't know what the rules will be)
Frankly, my first options would be to take care of Santonio and Braylon above all else. I don't really care if Brad Smith stays, I feel he's pretty replaceable. I'm fine if we keep Cro but I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to get Asomugha if possible. I've already stated my reasons numerous times. Ellis can walk. I don't really have a preference for Pool or Smith per se.
What do you guys think? How should the Jets approach this? Who should they keep? Pick up?
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I really hope we resign Pool, I thought he was one of the best guys on D we had in the playoffs last season. As long as he stays healthy (re: no concussions), he would be a guy that has some real value.
FYI: The concussion issue has really been unproven as per last season so PLEASE!!!!
by JETSFAN IN SC on Jul 15, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he had one year where he didn't have concussion (he still missed time)
does not mean he does not have a history of concussions. There’s nothing unproven about it.
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Top 4 Contracts that I think we MUST get done...
1. Harris
2. Braylon (only because he basically ‘guaranteed’ to be cheaper than Holmes)
3. Holmes
4. Cromartie (I still don’t trust Wilson as our #2)
Mind you, if by some miracle of God, we have a shot at Nnamdi for the price of Cromartie/Holmes(probably both) I’d jump all over it.
As for the rest, I’d like to see Pool back, maybe Ellis for some vet leadership… but that’s about it. Not that I don’t like them, I just think that they’re more easily replaceable.
here we go again
i would also like to get nnamdi, but the odds of him ont getting over payed by some team is about nil. i know he would like to come to the jets, but if there is a considerable difference between our offer and and another teams offer, nnamdi will sign with them. also, i think we need to keep ellis for one more year. if he leaves, we have wilk, k. ellis, devito and pouha. i think we need some vetern experiance on this line, and if ellis is willing to come back for a reasonable amount, i’d love him back, just so we can ease in our rookies. i personaly liked pool, ad if his contract is 1 mil like last year, i wouldn’t mind him back. we better keep braylon.
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he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'd like ellis too but i think he may cost too much, unless he gets the exemption jb talked about
in terms of veterans on the line i’d like to keep pryce. he’ll be cheaper (though obviously not as good) and rex has already compared mo wilkerson to him. also keep in mind that on the line we’ll be gettin pitoitua back from injury. he really looked like he was coming into his own last yr
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Braylon and Santonio.
Both are necessary I doubt we can make a move for a WR like sidney rice if we lose 1 of the 2, ad I don’t want to be stuck chasing Randy, Plaxico, or Vincent Jackson. Sign both of them FAST!!!!
No way
Keep one let one walk and bring someone like a maybe Stuckey or a Naanee even Lance Moore at a lower rate then go after Nnamdi
by JETSFAN IN SC on Jul 15, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
PLUS
Nnamdi could take less to go to a team closer to winning a SB which would then solidify his HOF bid
by JETSFAN IN SC on Jul 15, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
or so we would hope
i happen to thing naanee is way better than moore or stuckey both of whom i view as basically a poor mans JCo whereas naanee is more of a poor mans braylon
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But Lance Moore and Stuckey are strictly slot guys.
Do you really want to see them starting out wide?
What's wrong with having Holmes/Cotchery or Edwards/Cotchery at outside?
Moore or Stuckey could then be the slot WRs.
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Believe me Cotch is perfect in the slot.
He was just injured last year. If we could keep him in the slot and have to legit outside WRs it would make an amazing trio.
He is
But he’d be fine on the outside as well. Then you can have Moore or Stuckey playing in the slot.
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this would be an ok situation
but not necessarily an ideal one at all
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Yeah
But with the salary cap back in place, and even lower than what it would have been if the owners never backed out of the CBA, I think most teams will have to stop looking at what would be the most ideal situation for one position. Would having Holmes, Edwards, and Cotchery as the 3 WRs with Revis and another CB, such as Kyle Wilson or Chris Houston, be the ideal situation? Maybe having Holmes, Cotchery, and Moore as the 3 WRs and having Revis and Cromartie as the CBs is the ideal situation. From what I’ve read here, plenty of people have different views as what the ideal situation would be.
Though I must say, I’m surprised how many people here are thinking the Jets must target Cromartie or Asomugha. I’m surprised people haven’t mentioned Brent Grimes, Johnathan Joseph, or Ike Taylor. In fact, if both Cromartie and Grimes could be had for similar prices, I’d probably sign Grimes. I think Ike Taylor would be a very good fit for the Jets too. He is a very good CB and can cover more types of WRs than Cromartie can in my opinion. He is also very good against the run and could allow the Jets to be even more creative.
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I'd prefer any of them
over Cromartie.
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Who says a Dolphin fan can't give perspective on the Jets team?
They should make me a GM for the Jets lol. I wouldn’t butcher the team… too much
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the only reason i dont like this move
is i think its absolutely imperative that the jets bring back both holmes and edwards (and if they miss out on one, to at least sign a player who is close to that). the only way the jets will get to the super bowl is if sanchez paves the way. therefore, i think its ultra important to give him as much as he needs. i’m afraid otherwise it’d cripple him
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I don't know
He did fine for the first 4 weeks without Holmes. He just looked to Keller more often.
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Nnamdi
The chance of Nnamdi becoming a Jet probably fell about 50% now that the salary cap has been set at $120 mil.
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Don't go away mad, just go away
you Finheads are just full of envy that the Jets are now a FA hot bed that want to come to
by JETSFAN IN SC on Jul 15, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Touchy, touchy
If you haven’t noticed by now, I am not a Hater or a Homer. I am not full of envy about the Jets at all, nor am anti-Jet because I like another team in the division. I am brutally honest about all topics, whether they’re anti-Miami or pro-Jet. Some may have noticed that I do not come here and rip the Jets, though admittedly I don’t post here as much because I have not been interested in many of the topics discussed here. I’ll blame that one on the lockout preventing quality news and updates. I come here and voice my opinion on topics I am interested in, but their rather honest and unbiased.
The Jets are attractive for FA, yes, but that is not why I think their chances of landing Nnamdi has decreased drastically. The reason is because they have many of their own FAs to take care of and I don’t believe Nnamdi would take that much of a discount to play in NY. The only way I could’ve seen the Jets having a shot at Nnamdi is if the salary cap fell to around $135 million. I’m sure you’ll have other Jets fans here have similar sentiments about the chance of Nnamdi landing in NY.
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You're always welcome here
and I find your opinions to be refreshingly reasoned.
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Thanks.
All teams have their annoying fans that troll, but they also have their share of reasonable fans that like to discuss topics with other teams. I like to think I’m in the latter because I do like healthy debates and I am interested in the new of rival clubs. That and I live in NJ so it is hard to miss Jets and Giants talk… though I am a Giants fan so I enjoy their news. :) I’m sure that just earned me another mark here lol.
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I am a Giants fan
Jets always first though. Not even close really. I loved both teams from a young age but I realized way back then that whenever it turns into Jets v Giants I am rabidly pro-Jets.
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I went the way of my family, who was born in north NJ.
I grew up watching the Giants and Yankees, even in South Florida. I naturally took to them, but I naturally most coverage was of the Dolphins and their games were always on, so of course I will fall for the hometown team. I cheered regularly for the Yankees and didn’t mind the Mets, but the Marlins weren’t around. I had to discard the Mets because they were division rivals, but I never could discard the Yankees and Giants.
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you're right
i wrote a few fanposts detailing how the jets could very realistically get nnamdi but those were more under an assumption that the cap would be more torwards $140 million. the only way the jets prob now can get him is if santonio or braylon walks
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Yeah, it will be tough
But let’s assume Nnamdi takes a huge paycut to $9 million, putting him under the likes of players such as Nate Clements, and they can get Edwards or Holmes for a quality price of $5 million, that still leaves the Hets with about $5 million to work with even if dead money doesn’t count and they rework deals with Sanchez and Harris. That is a tough position to be in even if they do let Santonio or Braylon go because they need to sign their draft class and fill out their roster from other UFAs they need to sign. Realistically, the only way I can see the Jets getting Nnamdi is if both Santonio and Braylon walk. The Jets really don’t need Nnamdi and are better off keeping Holmes or Edwards and going with another CB. Even if Cro doesn’t come back, there are other quality CBs out there.
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you as well as i know that nnamdi will not take that drastic of a paycut
additionally they wont be able to get holmes that cheap. i can see nnamdi taking a salary at say $13-14 mil (significantly less than whats reported he’ll get). and while true they dont NEED nnamdi, but getting nnamdi could very well be the piece that would push them over the top. if they had both nnamdi and revis theyd prob have bar none the best pass defense of all time
metsjetsknicksrangers.............can it get any worse?
Probably
But I agree, there is little chance Nnamdi takes that much of a paycut. I easily see it getting to $12-14 because he can be convinced the economics have shrunk and he can’t accept another $16 mil deal. But even at $10 mil, Nnamdi is pushing the limits of what the Jets can afford.
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Well, not until the CBA is signed
But if they both already agreed on it, I really don’t see it changing much. I can see it going up or down a little, but I don’t think we’re really going to see it go above $125 mil now.
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You're probably right
I was just surprised at the way it developed because they were even discussing the possibility of NO cap when talks started. I wouldn’t even be shocked if they rolled out something upwards to 130, but clearly the owners are serious about cutting back salaries.
At 120 million the Jets can barely even keep their roster intact as it is. Good news for you.
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the no cap thing was only gonna happen
if the courts decided to force the end of the lockout. this would be b/c they would have a season but no agreement so the default would prob be no cap. now that they have an agreement of course there’s a cap
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Not true
A lack of a cap had been suggested at one point in initial, but clearly it never materialized or was treated as a serious option.
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The Jets roster
Not really that great of news because all the teams will be equally limited. When the Jets made these moves and went into 2010 with this roster, I always believed last year was the boom or bust season for the Jets because they were going all in. I never believed the Jets would keep all their pieces in 2011, when I knew a salary cap would come back (Owners would never allow uncapped NFL). However, I am relatively surprised at how well the Jets have done to keep as many pieces as they have. Even if they don’t get Nnamdi or lose Holmes, Edwards, or both, they will still be competitive.
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the thing is most of their good pieces are the young guys who they can keep
sanchez, revis, mangold, brick, keller, harris, greene. meanwhile it helps that tannenbaum is an incredibly creative gm and also that rex is a coach who players wanna play for so its easier to get players from other teams to agree to come to the jets
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Tannenbaum
I do give him a ton of credit because he is very good at signing his guys at reasonable prices.
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It's not that we won't be competitive
we’ve managed to make seasons out of garbage rosters, let alone talented ones like we have now.
You cannot deny that in recent years we have made a habit of getting bigger names and riding the cap to its limit. Jets fans have come to expect FA or trade magic from Mike T every year, and it’s not going to happen this time. I like our draft class, I just don’t see how you match the last two years effort with a shell of your former roster. Which, one way or another, is what it will be if our cap drops that far. I’ve been saying it all offseason, sacrifices are coming and will need to be made.
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Tanny and the roster
It will be harder, but this is why you expect young players to improve. Winning teams have this because teams will always lose players. As fas as expectations, I think everyone believes their GM can pull rabbits out of hats. It seems like people think that if players like Asomugha or Young is available and their team can use him, they will get him. They forget that there may be 30 other teams trying to get him too.
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i would like to see ellis back, but have one question first...
has anyone seen anything on ropati pitoitua, is he coming back to the jets???
It's really impossible to say right now
especially when it comes to the “extra parts” players. There’s just so much uncertainty.
My guess is he comes back.
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i'm pretty sure i remeber him being at camp lockout
and supposedly he was good
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Ropati did workout at the unofficial team practice and, was looking good from what another player reported, so I’d say he ’ll be ready to go
by JETSFAN IN SC on Jul 15, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
cool cool, so that is one guy it seems like most are forgetting about that can be a star and add depth to the line
he seems like he has potential to become a huge headache for any offensive line
The Magician will work some magic
Mike T will be wheeling and dealing the second the lockout is lifted he pretty much always gets his man so i really think every thing will work out plus improve as the Jets have every year talent wise since Rex has been at the helm
That's the thing
I think Rex could turn the Bad News Bears into a decent team.
I just don’t want you guys to be disappointed when “Mike T magic” doesn’t materialize this season, because this cap is LOW for us.
Give you an idea; counting all of our departures we have less than 9 million dollars to work with under that model. That’s 9 million to resign all of our departing guys including Edwards (who made 4.6 million last season, more than half of our free $$$) and Holmes (big pay day coming) on top of any replacements we’d want for Ellis, Jenkins, Woody, etc AND any additions.
Tell me how you make magic out of nine million. You don’t, not without serious sacrifice.
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hmmmm
i should probably do another fanpost on this. the jets current salary cap number, even w/ multiple players who wont make the team included, is at $101 million (per nyjetscap)
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The cap
It is $111 million because of David Harris. It is $101 million without him, which is the number nyjetscap uses.
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I don't take probable future deals into account
the franchise tag is going to stand, and until we renegotiate it’s $111 million, case closed.
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Here's what I think the Jets need to do...
First, they’re going to have to restructure Sanchez’s contract, give him 6 or 7 years. He wants to be here, and he will be here (he’s not Pennington) ouch.
Sign Harris to a long term contract too (That’ takes care of all 5 players).
Make sure you sign Braylon during the 3 day period. All that BS about Santonio, let him go to the Skins, he’ll be dying to come back.
Sign Shaun Ellis and Damien Woody. One of them would count as a Veteran player who doesn’t count against the cap.
BIGGEST POINT – SIGN MIKE SIMS-WALKER. Sims-Walker is a beast, he played on a run-first team, and would not command the money that Santonio would.
Sign Brad.
THen take care of one of the DB positions:
CB – Josh Wilson – Ravens
CB – Jonathan Joseph – Bengals
S – Danieal Manning
Even Donte Whitner from the Bills (not great in coverage, but can play the run)
Ellis and Woody
They’d still count. You can sign veterans for minimum contracts, which for many is around $900k, but only a portion of that counts against the cap. You can’t sign Ellis or Woody for $2-3 million and still have only $400k or so count towards the cap.
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i'm fine w/ everything
except resigning brad. there’s absolutely no reson to bring him back, especially considering he’ll get overpaid by some other team. he cant catch and he’s only valuable as a return guy or wildcat/reverse guy. the return value is easily replaceable as is the reverse guy part. frankly, i dont think any jet fan would be all that sad to see the wildcat go either
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